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    [PICTURE] Simon Taufel claims ‘clear mistake’ made awarding England six runs

    A former international umpire and member of the committee that presides over cricket’s notoriously complex rulebook has conceded a “clear mistake” was made on the path to England winning its first World Cup.

    Australian Simon Taufel, a member of the MCC laws sub-committee, has revealed a grave error was made in awarding England six runs — instead of five — when a throw struck Ben Stokes’ bat.

    With England needing nine runs from the final three balls, a throw from New Zealander Martin Guptill accidentally hit the outstretched bat of a diving Ben Stokes, sending the ball to the boundary.

    The play was awarded six overthrows — four for the resulting boundary and two for the batsmen’s accrued runs.

    But Taufel claims the umpires made ‘an error of judgment’ in applying an obscure clause in the MCC’s laws — which both awarded England an extra run and kept Stokes on strike.

    Taufel, a five-time winner of the ICC’s Umpire of the Year award and widely viewed as one of the greatest umpires this century, stated: “They (England) should have been awarded five runs, not six.”

    “It’s a clear mistake … it’s an error of judgment,” Taufel told foxsports.com.au on Monday.

    The relevant clause from the MCC rulebook is this:

    Rule 19.8: Overthrow or wilful act of fielder

    If the boundary results from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder, the runs scored shall be

    — any runs for penalties awarded to either side

    — and the allowance for the boundary

    — and the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had already crossed at the instant of the throw or act.

    Taufel did defend the officials because that moment involved so many moving parts, and said it was unfair on the umpires and both teams to say this was the moment that decided the match.

    Given that the batsman had not crossed for their second run at the instant Martin Guptill threw the ball, that run should not have counted.

    “In the heat of what was going on, they thought there was a good chance the batsmen had crossed at the instant of the throw” Taufel added.

    “Obviously TV replays showed otherwise.”

    That means that instead of needing three runs from the last two balls, England would have needed four.

    Additionally, given that the batsmen did not cross at the time of the throw, Taufel confirmed that as per the rules of the game, the batsmen should have swapped sides for the next delivery.

    That is, they should have returned to the side of their last completed run at the instant of the throw.

    That would have meant that tailender Adil Rashid, and not man-of-the-match Ben Stokes, should have faced the second last ball.


    Taufel praised experienced umpires Kumar Dharmasena and Marais Erasmus as “the best of the best”, and explained the difficulty of umpiring the specific situation.

    “The difficulty you (umpires) have here is you’ve got to watch batsmen completing runs, then change focus and watch for the ball being picked up, and watch for the release (of the throw),” he said.

    “You also have to watch where the batsmen are at that exact moment.”

    The former umpire acknowledged the call “influenced the game”, but said it should not be viewed as costing New Zealand the match - and the tournament.

    “It’s unfair on England, New Zealand and the umpires involved to say it decided the outcome,” Taufel said.

    New Zealand’s heartbroken captain Kane Williamson agreed with that sentiment.

    “It was a shame that the ball hit Stokes’ bat, but I just hope it doesn’t happen in moments like that,” Williamson said.

    “Unfortunately that sort of thing happens from time to time. It’s a part of the game that we play.”

    “I don’t wish to nitpick, just hope it never happens in such moments every again,” he added.

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...e04cff9b7cb105


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    They have to change the result.

    They just have to.

    Share it at the bare minimum.

    We cant accept this in a freaking finals.

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    Of course an Aussie is going to say that.....what is done and it is a game so get over it!

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    What a Scandal. On the grandest stage of them all in the most crucial of moments in all of cricketing history.

    What a blunder of Epic proportions!

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    Whoooooaaaaa, this is huge...

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    Obviously nothing is going to come off it, but what a mess.

    How did the TV umpires not communicate this through to the on field umpires?

    The umpiring in the Final was pathetic to say the least.

    DRS needs to be taken out of the hands of the players, either that or give more reviews to teams and sort out umpires call.
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    Talk about being robbed, now we hav official response from ex elite umpire..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Obviously nothing is going to come off it, but what a mess.

    How did the TV umpires not communicate this through to the on field umpires?

    The umpiring in the Final was pathetic to say the least.
    Clearly the thrill and emotions of the game had gotten the better of everyone including the umps.

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    Just for record how many times has six runs been awarded in similar circumstance, has it happened before?

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    Poor England and @Mamoon.

    Cant even enjoy their world cup victory in peace.

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    I really feel sorry for kiwis now?

    Ian Botham this is what it feels like being robbed not in 92.

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    If the shot had “only” scored 5 runs then the game would still have been tie-able or even winnable for England - the equation would have been different and so the deliveries would have been approached differently.

    Who knows, Rashid has hit many boundaries in his career before, he could have hit one to win the World Cup.

    5 runs or 6 runs, the game is done now and it’s a moot point.

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    Even brohit wasn't happy with the rules




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    England are still the world champions and no amount of bhurt will change that fact.

    It was destiny, written in the stars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic_Inzi View Post
    Just for record how many times has six runs been awarded in similar circumstance, has it happened before?
    Pak v aus around 2004 remember Michael clarke chasing pak were awarded the overthrow runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    If the shot had “only” scored 5 runs then the game would still have been tie-able or even winnable for England - the equation would have been different and so the deliveries would have been approached differently.

    Who knows, Rashid has hit many boundaries in his career before, he could have hit one to win the World Cup.

    5 runs or 6 runs, the game is done now and it’s a moot point.
    James we still hear eng supporters claiming the game against arg was void because of deliberate hand bowl.

    Its not moot, terrible umpire decision.

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    The only team and country that has maintained dignity in this whole situation is ironically New Zealand itself. The umpires made the call on the field and it is not England's problem if they made a mistake. Did England get lucky? they did on occasions, but no team has ever won a World Cup with bad fortune.

    New Zealand were lucky to win the toss too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    If the shot had “only” scored 5 runs then the game would still have been tie-able or even winnable for England - the equation would have been different and so the deliveries would have been approached differently.

    Who knows, Rashid has hit many boundaries in his career before, he could have hit one to win the World Cup.

    5 runs or 6 runs, the game is done now and it’s a moot point.
    James do you want to win it like this?

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    Wow this is just not acceptable

    They atleast should have consulted 3rd ump

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    Agree with James

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The only team and country that has maintained dignity in this whole situation is ironically New Zealand itself. The umpires made the call on the field and it is not England's problem if they made a mistake. Did England get lucky? they did on occasions, but no team has ever won a World Cup with bad fortune.

    New Zealand were lucky to win the toss too.
    Noone should blame England but it’s a disaster if taufel is right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic_Inzi View Post
    James do you want to win it like this?
    What can he do?

    Will you say no if Pak won the WC like this?

    Our beef is with ICC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    What can he do?

    Will you say no if Pak won the WC like this?

    Our beef is with ICC.
    English fans are taking it personally, fact is whether they like it or not their WC win has been tarnished because of the poor umpiring and poorly throughout rules by the ICC.

    How many world champions have been crowned without winning a Final?


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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    If the shot had “only” scored 5 runs then the game would still have been tie-able or even winnable for England - the equation would have been different and so the deliveries would have been approached differently.

    Who knows, Rashid has hit many boundaries in his career before, he could have hit one to win the World Cup.

    5 runs or 6 runs, the game is done now and it’s a moot point.
    You are right but this is complete incompetence on part of umpires

    England are champions no doubt but this sort of umpiring is completely unacceptable at the biggest stage

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    There should be a clarification regarding this from the ICC and if there was a mistake then at the very least there should be an apology.

    Sharing the World Cup is up to England but if I was involved I would offer to do it straight away. New Zealand clearly deserve it and it's not like there is some sort of intense rivalry between the two like Eng-Aus and Ind-Pak.

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    The commentators didn't pick up on this and they never showed it on replays which was strange.



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    Feel extremely sorry for New Zealand, its cricketers and fans - commiserations dear friends (Aman and all the NZ supporters in this forum.

    Sport is sometimes very unfair and you were given a very raw deal.

    If it makes you all feel better - please be assured that you have the RESPECT of the world (in all CAPS)

    Chin up and all the very best for your future.

    I am sure you have joined the West Indies as the second most favorite team of all genuine lovers of the game


    Win or lose - it is Team INDIA I choose...

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    If the shot had “only” scored 5 runs then the game would still have been tie-able or even winnable for England - the equation would have been different and so the deliveries would have been approached differently.

    Who knows, Rashid has hit many boundaries in his career before, he could have hit one to win the World Cup.

    5 runs or 6 runs, the game is done now and it’s a moot point.
    I feel robbed, just as a neutral. Umpiring is a job which should be held accountable. If a mistake has been made, there should be financial and other disincentives. More importantly technology and third umpire should step in. It wont take more than a minute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    What can he do?

    Will you say no if Pak won the WC like this?

    Our beef is with ICC.
    No but he saying Rasheed may hav hit boundary etc etc and its moot.

    Diegos hand ball is moot yet we hear it to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malakian View Post
    England are still the world champions and no amount of bhurt will change that fact.

    It was destiny, written in the stars.
    Yes. Its not going to change. But this is not bhurt. This is the disappointment of some followers of the game who believe this is unfair. On most forums you will see a thread asking for sharing of the trophy. NZ were hard done by some crazy rules and irresponsible umpiring if the above is true.

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    NZ deserved to win that match.

    How unlucky were they with that throw in the first place, and then to have the umpires award and extra run to England.

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    These things happen, lots of ifs and buts. NZ played slightly the better but England won and the rest is history. The assumption is that England would have played the last 3 balls the same and the chances that they wouldnt have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeetlodil View Post
    I feel robbed, just as a neutral. Umpiring is a job which should be held accountable. If a mistake has been made, there should be financial and other disincentives. More importantly technology and third umpire should step in. It wont take more than a minute.
    There was a delay, were the two umpires discussed the incident, and i presume they discussed it with the third umpire,
    No one knew the rules!!!!

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    New Zealand are robbed. Share the trophy at least. Even umpires and officials don't know the rules?

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    Dharmesena needs to be sacked, he has had awful world cup.

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    it really leaves a sour taste, this supposed to be a highly professional sport yet it's rules and administrators are so amteurish in their approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The only team and country that has maintained dignity in this whole situation is ironically New Zealand itself. The umpires made the call on the field and it is not England's problem if they made a mistake. Did England get lucky? they did on occasions, but no team has ever won a World Cup with bad fortune.

    New Zealand were lucky to win the toss too.
    "They did on occasions"

    Luck has never played a more decisive role in a game of cricket. An event that had nothing to do with the ability and skill of the English team is what lead to their victory.

    And even that required an umpiring error. Call it for what it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic_Inzi View Post
    James we still hear eng supporters claiming the game against arg was void because of deliberate hand bowl.

    Its not moot, terrible umpire decision.
    Don’t even have to go that far - just yesterday on the cricket debate show, they were still complaining about Javed Miandad LBW’s not given in the ‘92 final!

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    Obviously ICC desperately wanted England to win for the corporate side of the game at all costs


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    They have to change the result.

    They just have to.

    Share it at the bare minimum.

    We cant accept this in a freaking finals.
    For a sensible fan you are not very sensible. ICC don’t require you to accept it. England won whatever you say happened.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post
    "They did on occasions"

    Luck has never played a more decisive role in a game of cricket. An event that had nothing to do with the ability and skill of the English team is what lead to their victory.

    And even that required an umpiring error. Call it for what it was.

    Luck got NZ into the semi-final. NZ got lucky winning the toss. NZ got lucky with the pitch, Eng could've provided an absolute road.

    England comfortably defeated NZ in the group stages and had a better better NRR. The best team won in the end. /thread.

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    I completely lost faith in ICC. I never expect them to run like a professional body.

    FIFA, despite many flaws, is 5 times better run than ICC.


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    First world cup to be won on boundaries....

    Unbelievable, i would like to know who decided that dumb rule. Who in the icc?

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    NZ were robbed because mistakes by on field umpires.The two umpires are not the best.They don't know cricket rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malakian View Post
    Luck got NZ into the semi-final. NZ got lucky winning the toss. NZ got lucky with the pitch, Eng could've provided an absolute road.

    England comfortably defeated NZ in the group stages and had a better better NRR. The best team won in the end. /thread.
    None of those things you mentioned influenced the match as much as the overthrow plus the horrible umpiring.

    And no, Eng could not have provided an absolute road if they wanted because it's an ICC event, ICC is in charge of curating pitches, not the ECB.

    The team that bowled and batted better on the day, ended up on the losing side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic_Inzi View Post
    First world cup to be won on boundaries....

    Unbelievable, i would like to know who decided that dumb rule. Who in the icc?
    I would like you to suggest a better alternative.

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    By ICC Rule Technically New Zealand Was Robbed

    On a Lord's pitch that had something for everyone, New Zealand huffed and puffed to 241. England lost their wrecker-in-chief Jason Roy early and were reeling at 86 for 4 before Ben Stokes and Jos Buttler led the recovery with a 110-run stand.

    In one of the most thrilling finishes in the sport, England needed 15 runs in the final over but all that they could manage was 14. It could have been curtains for the hosts had the rub of green not gone their way in the final over.

    England were awarded 6 runs for an overthrow after the ball deflected off Stokes' bat. Stokes was trying to complete a double at the striker's end but before he could reach the crease, the ball ricocheted off his bat to the boundary. 6 runs for England in a tense final over.

    However, questions have been raised over the veracity of the officials' decision to award 6 runs for the overthrow in the final over. According to International Cricket Council rules, not 6 but 5 runs should have been awarded as the act of overthrow took place even before Stokes completed the 2nd run.

    What does the ICC rule say

    19.8 Overthrow or wilful act of fielder

    "If the boundary results from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder, the runs scored shall be any runs for penalties awarded to either side and the allowance for the boundary and the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had already crossed at the instant of the throw or act."

    With England finishing with 241 on the board, the match went to a Super Over. England batted first and posted 15 runs on the board. New Zealand batted second and posted 15 but England were declared the new world champions due to more boundaries hit during the Super Over.

    The ICC rule to decide the Super Over tie on the basis of number of boundaries scored has come under severe criticism. Former New Zealand all-rounder Scott Styris took to social media to slam the decision.

    New Zealand skipper Kane Williamson was graceful in defeat.

    "No-one probably thought they would have to sort of result to some of that stuff. But yeah, very tough to swallow. A great game of cricket and all you guys probably enjoyed it," Williamson said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecrusade911 View Post
    I would like you to suggest a better alternative.
    Continue with super overs, till there is a clear winner. Same bowler and batsmen not allowed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post
    None of those things you mentioned influenced the match as much as the overthrow plus the horrible umpiring.

    And no, Eng could not have provided an absolute road if they wanted because it's an ICC event, ICC is in charge of curating pitches, not the ECB.

    The team that bowled and batted better on the day, ended up on the losing side.
    To be really honest, England was still a better team on the day. Look at their batting, two guys got fifties and two got a good start. They looked more comfortable batting in the middle compared to NZ overs even though the pitch was slowing down. All their bowlers bowled beautifully unlike NZ where only Matt Henry bowled brilliantly and CDH wa economical. NZ batsman struggled and struggled throughout. Given that England hit more boundaries suggest that they were more comfortable out there. Goodness NZ only hit I guess 2 fours in last 6 overs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeetlodil View Post
    Continue with super overs, till there is a clear winner. Same bowler and batsmen not allowed
    That can be given a thought. But the fact is that this rule was not made today. NZ knew that they have to get 1 extra run otherwise they'll lose. Boult gave too many runs in that over unfortunately. It was always going to be difficult.

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    How ICC manages to run the game with so many incompetent umpires is beyond me. They give some strange strange decisions (Roy not given out on first ball), yet are treated holier than thou. ICC needs to be decisive about 1 thing - those deliveries hitting half of the stumps - are either out or not out and make up your mind. For heaven's sake, the DRS should be used to give fair decisions (same rules for both teams) and not to prevent from showing umpires in bad light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecrusade911 View Post
    I would like you to suggest a better alternative.
    I would have shared the trophy tbh, or judge on boundaries scored in the super over alone, such a shame to end on a controversial note for what has ultimately been an entertaining world cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post
    The team that bowled and batted better on the day, ended up on the losing side.
    If that was the case, then NZ would have lifted the trophy and not England.

    Some very sore losers around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecrusade911 View Post
    To be really honest, England was still a better team on the day. Look at their batting, two guys got fifties and two got a good start. They looked more comfortable batting in the middle compared to NZ overs even though the pitch was slowing down. All their bowlers bowled beautifully unlike NZ where only Matt Henry bowled brilliantly and CDH wa economical. NZ batsman struggled and struggled throughout. Given that England hit more boundaries suggest that they were more comfortable out there. Goodness NZ only hit I guess 2 fours in last 6 overs.
    How they scored their runs doesn't matter tbh, at least they didn't need a freakish accidental four and an umpiring blunder to reach to their total. And comfortably bowled and fielded better, which is evident by the fact that they bowled England out.

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    I bet old English school like Botham, Lamb Pringle won't be saying they won the 2019 World Cup by default and that Kiwis were robbed?? Hmmm...I bet not.

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    And I don't understand this umpire's call in LBW decisions. When the ball is just clipping the stumps, it's not out so simply give it not out. Don't involve umpire's call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malakian View Post
    If that was the case, then NZ would have lifted the trophy and not England.

    Some very sore losers around here.
    england needs to win another wc to prove themselves where they belong otherwise this victory will always remain as a controversial victory for others

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    Cricket rules needs a major overhaul

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    Quote Originally Posted by malakian View Post
    If that was the case, then NZ would have lifted the trophy and not England.

    Some very sore losers around here.
    How am I a sore loser, NZ isn't even my team. I have zero emotional investment in this team.

    I just being unbiased unlike you England supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The only team and country that has maintained dignity in this whole situation is ironically New Zealand itself. The umpires made the call on the field and it is not England's problem if they made a mistake. Did England get lucky? they did on occasions, but no team has ever won a World Cup with bad fortune.

    New Zealand were lucky to win the toss too.
    You were harping on about how England have prepared 4 years for this, hard work, this and that

    is that how you win the world cup? mar mar ke?

    I would take our 1992 win over this any day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post
    How they scored their runs doesn't matter tbh, at least they didn't need a freakish accidental four and an umpiring blunder to reach to their total. And comfortably bowled and fielded better, which is evident by the fact that they bowled England out.
    Ok brother. Look at the different aspects separately. Batting, who was better ENG,
    Bowling, Eng.
    England being bowled out. When you are chasing and are in this kind of chase, you tend to loose wickets. If it was the first innings, would Adil Rashid have even his wicket delibrately. If ENG knew wickets would matter that much, would Jofra Archer have tried to send that ball out of stadium.
    It doesn't work like that. All I am saying that NZ were unlucky but Eng were a better team.

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    Btw, this is quite classy by Australian Bookmakers Sportsbet, these are 2 tweets from them y'day -

    "What do we do when the Cricket World Cup is decided by count back? REFUND ALL BETS on the loser! We're refunding all Tournament Outright and Head to Head bets on the Kiwis! That's choice bro. #CWC19"

    "The World Cup was a tie. Plain and simple."

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    Wow that's crazy. Fortune for England, every uncontrollable call went their way. Fair game to them, not their fault but it is a sad end for NZ.


    Does cricket survive off of it's money or does it survive for it's money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post
    How am I a sore loser, NZ isn't even my team. I have zero emotional investment in this team.

    I just being unbiased unlike you England supporters.
    You are spot on a definitey not a sore loser. England fans (especially old school) would have said exactly the same if the result was the other way round in that Kiwis had won and they lost in the same way. They would have said Kiwis won by default and that they were robbed lol.

    (Similar to 1992's Pringle/Botham etc who keep saying Pak won by default etc and they were robbed - well I bet they won't say that about England getting the luck and Kiwis being 'robbed' in 2019 will they?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post
    How am I a sore loser, NZ isn't even my team. I have zero emotional investment in this team.

    I just being unbiased unlike you England supporters.
    If Pakistan were in our position, you wouldn't be complaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecrusade911 View Post
    Ok brother. Look at the different aspects separately. Batting, who was better ENG,
    Bowling, Eng.
    England being bowled out. When you are chasing and are in this kind of chase, you tend to loose wickets. If it was the first innings, would Adil Rashid have even his wicket delibrately. If ENG knew wickets would matter that much, would Jofra Archer have tried to send that ball out of stadium.
    It doesn't work like that. All I am saying that NZ were unlucky but Eng were a better team.
    That's your opinion bro, and I fully respect it.

    But that's not how it works, no team willingly throws away their wickets. They tried to hit out because they needed those hits due to NZ's tight bowling throughout the match. They were bowled out and outplayed.

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    England had to finally win the World Cup in this way! That too after them fielding their best ever XI and with most other teams fielding their average team (India is not as strong as at least 2011, Australia probably worst side in WC, West Indies not even 0.000001% of their brutal best, South Africa's weakest side, Sri Lanka's weakest side since their history perhaps - they were minnows then because others were dominant, Pakistan regressed heavily, Only Bangladesh seem to have fielded their best side!) Still couldn't win comfortably! All other World Cup finals before were comfortably won!

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    Quote Originally Posted by malakian View Post
    If Pakistan were in our position, you wouldn't be complaining.
    I certainly wouldn't be thumping my chest and calming that we were the better side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy0204 View Post
    england needs to win another wc to prove themselves where they belong otherwise this victory will always remain as a controversial victory for others
    Completely disagree. England have been the best ODI side in the world over the last few years. Nobody deserved the trophy more.

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    Thank goodness they didn't refer it upstairs to Aleem Dar. Wonder what decision he would have made.

    Would he have known the rules? Should he have interfered and called the on-field umps? Is it even allowed.

    After the farce of the 2007 world cup final, best Aleem stayed clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamLakhan View Post
    England had to finally win the World Cup in this way! That too after them fielding their best ever XI and with most other teams fielding their average team (India is not as strong as at least 2011, Australia probably worst side in WC, West Indies not even 0.000001% of their brutal best, South Africa's weakest side, Sri Lanka's weakest side since their history perhaps - they were minnows then because others were dominant, Pakistan regressed heavily, Only Bangladesh seem to have fielded their best side!) Still couldn't win comfortably! All other World Cup finals before were comfortably won!
    First ever WC were the winner didn't win the Final and the loser didn't lose.


    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post
    I certainly wouldn't be thumping my chest and calming that we were the better side.
    Nobody is thumping chests, but we were the better side overall. We thrashed NZ in the group stages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malakian View Post
    Completely disagree. England have been the best ODI side in the world over the last few years. Nobody deserved the trophy more.
    if england won by one sided or fair and square then others may considered as a victory.
    Last edited by andy0204; 15th July 2019 at 16:57.

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    This is just insane.

    If there was ever a definition of 'daylight robbery' in sports, this was it.

    Feel so bad for NZ team and it's supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy0204 View Post
    if england won by one sided or fair and square then others may considered as a victory.
    It is considered a victory, England's name is on the trophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malakian View Post
    It is considered a victory, England's name is on the trophy.
    Of course England is the first team to win a WC without actually winning the Final


    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    most whining ive been seeing is by indians and australians..kyon? the kiwis have kept a dignified silence.

    that match was the single greatest 50 overs match ive seen (other than the miandad six one lol). It wasnt stokes fault and wasnt the kiwis fault..its just the way it is.

    But the whining from the aussies and now indians is pathetic..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Of course England is the first team to win a WC without actually winning the Final
    actually they won it. The fact is the cup sits in front of Morgan and co. you can be dissapointed all you want but the rules set by the ICC and MCC are the rules. Perhaps in future ICC meetings new zealand can vote against some of these rule changes and side against the big three when appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    actually they won it. The fact is the cup sits in front of Morgan and co. you can be dissapointed all you want but the rules set by the ICC and MCC are the rules. Perhaps in future ICC meetings new zealand can vote against some of these rule changes and side against the big three when appropriate.
    It was a joke.

    The match goes down as a tie, the tie breaker of boundaries is used to determine a champion.


    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Of course England is the first team to win a WC without actually winning the Final
    World champions baby!!!



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