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    What happened to the South Punjab/Seraiki Province?

    Has there been any development on the issue? What's the update?

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    If they create South Punjab province now, the remaining Punjab or Northern Punjab will have very clear PML-N majority and they will form the government, more headache for ruing party. Hence, this issue has been on hold. The new province will be created just before the next election.

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    PTI meant well during its campaign, but that would be a big blunder at the moment.

    Lahore, Faisalabad, Gujranwala and a few others are still strongholds of PMLN. They still worship the Sharifs and the unlawfulness that comes with it (no tax, khuli badmashi).

    It would bring PMLN back in the game. So got to wait a few years more for it.


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    That's what I thought. No one is actually serious about making a South Punjab province unless it stands to benefit them. PML-N governments did not do anything because they stood to lose South. PTI isn't doing anything because they stand to loose North.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrez Pakistani View Post
    That's what I thought. No one is actually serious about making a South Punjab province unless it stands to benefit them. PML-N governments did not do anything because they stood to lose South. PTI isn't doing anything because they stand to loose North.
    That's exactly right, funny isn;t it .

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    Punjab should be divided into three provinces. It has a population of 100,000,000 people for goodness sake. Why do you think people in Pakistan about a "Punjab bias"? Also, the people of southern Punjab and northern Punjab aren't technically Punjabi ethnicity.

    Seraiki are a separate group among themselves with their own culture, history and traditions. The same with the northern Punjabis (Pahari/Potohari) who share similarities with the Hazara Hindko speakers.

    It's a big shame that it took Pakistan 70 years to realize that British-made provincial borders were a lie.

    Did it really need to take 70 years to merge FATA into KP?

    The same with Punjab...Bahawalpur for example was its own territory governed by its own monarchy, which was forcibly merged into Punjab during the British invasion of Punjab in 1842.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RameezRambo_Fan View Post
    Punjab should be divided into three provinces. It has a population of 100,000,000 people for goodness sake. Why do you think people in Pakistan about a "Punjab bias"? Also, the people of southern Punjab and northern Punjab aren't technically Punjabi ethnicity.

    Seraiki are a separate group among themselves with their own culture, history and traditions. The same with the northern Punjabis (Pahari/Potohari) who share similarities with the Hazara Hindko speakers.

    It's a big shame that it took Pakistan 70 years to realize that British-made provincial borders were a lie.

    Did it really need to take 70 years to merge FATA into KP?

    The same with Punjab...Bahawalpur for example was its own territory governed by its own monarchy, which was forcibly merged into Punjab during the British invasion of Punjab in 1842.
    You/your parents from bahawalphur, as my mum is from their. Live the place so many beautiful buildings. People are so friendly

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    Quote Originally Posted by RameezRambo_Fan View Post
    Punjab should be divided into three provinces. It has a population of 100,000,000 people for goodness sake. Why do you think people in Pakistan about a "Punjab bias"? Also, the people of southern Punjab and northern Punjab aren't technically Punjabi ethnicity.

    Seraiki are a separate group among themselves with their own culture, history and traditions. The same with the northern Punjabis (Pahari/Potohari) who share similarities with the Hazara Hindko speakers.

    It's a big shame that it took Pakistan 70 years to realize that British-made provincial borders were a lie.

    Did it really need to take 70 years to merge FATA into KP?

    The same with Punjab...Bahawalpur for example was its own territory governed by its own monarchy, which was forcibly merged into Punjab during the British invasion of Punjab in 1842.
    Bhai meray why are you he’ll bent on creating more divisions in the country? I am all for splitting up the province for administrative reasons but doin it along linguistic and ethnic lines is going to create nothing but more chaos and disharmony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    Bhai meray why are you he’ll bent on creating more divisions in the country? I am all for splitting up the province for administrative reasons but doin it along linguistic and ethnic lines is going to create nothing but more chaos and disharmony.
    We are not talking about splitting the country. Saraikis aren't baying for the blood of Punjabis. But they have a distinct identity and its important to have their identity valued and respected by the administrators. If creating a separate province for Saraikis in the south improve their sense of identity and it help ease the load of governance from the north and empower the south, its a win-win.

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    Their should be a all parties committee to decide on how to create new provinces. If you create a Seraiki province based on language, why not an Urdu province in Karachi. Why not a Hindko province in KPK?

    Another option is to have local government, so each district becomes a province in all but in name, so same way in UK their is England, Scotland, Wales, and N. Ireland, Pakistan can keep the same provinces, but just give the districts the real power.

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    pathetic, the post on this thread shows how posters just dont care about these other cities.

    They want PTI to hold power and not lose it thus dont want the new province.


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    This should have been dealt with by now but what can you expect when it took us 70 years to start integrating FATA into KPK province.

    The fact is that nobody cares about people living in South Punjab and addressing their grievances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    This should have been dealt with by now but what can you expect when it took us 70 years to start integrating FATA into KPK province.

    The fact is that nobody cares about people living in South Punjab and addressing their grievances.
    My family is from South Punjab and Imran Khan does care about us. We understand the potential political implications that PTI can face, we are willing to give the govt time. The progress of Pakistan is more important then our separate South Punjab province.

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    Making a new provinces would mean changing the Constitution, adjust national assembly, Senate and provincial assembly seats. From what I recall they made a committee to do all the ground work but the week after all the jailed politicians started using the different committees to get out of jail so the topic went on the back burner and now all committees seemed to have been disbanded. I don't think Pti has the seats to do constitutional amendments in NA unless PPP is willing to support them but they will still need it to pass in Punjab provincial assembly as well as Senate.

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    MPAs-Buzdar meeting creates stir in PML-N

    LAHORE: The “unofficial meeting” of six Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) lawmakers with Punjab Chief Minister Usman Buzdar has created a stir among the party’s leadership.

    The PML-N on Thursday issued show-cause notices to the six lawmakers, who met the Punjab CM, without seeking prior permission of its leadership.

    “The party [PML-N] is considering to take serious action against these members. We will be discussing legal options to get them de-seated,” spokesperson Azma Bukhari said.

    “They will not be issued tickets in the next general elections,” she added.

    According to details, legislators from Punjab Assembly belonging to different political parties met CM Buzdar on Thursday to discuss issues pertaining to their respective constituencies without obtaining permission from their party leaders.

    The Nawaz-league lawmakers, who met the chief minister, include Mian Jalil Ahmed Sharqpuri, Chaudhry Ashraf Ali Ansari, Nishat Ahmed Daha, Muhammad Abu Hafas Ghayasuddin, Azhar Abbas and Mohammad Faisal Khan Niazi. Pakistan Peoples Party’s (PPP) Ghazanfar Ali was also present in the meeting.

    The meeting came in the backdrop of Buzdar’s approving the formation of a South Punjab secretariat — a move that is expected to pave way for the creation of a new province.

    Last month, the Punjab government had allowed creation of 385 posts, including an additional chief secretary (ACS) and additional Inspector-General (AIG) Punjab, to make the proposed South Punjab civil secretariat functional.

    The chief minister told his party MPAs that the south Punjab secretariat would be set up in Multan and the ACS and AIG would soon be posted in Bahawalpur and Multan, respectively.

    While, the South Punjab secretariat will cover three divisions — Multan, Bahawalpur and DG Khan, the government has sought panels of three senior officers each for the selection of ACS South Punjab and AIG South Punjab.

    The south Punjab civil secretariat will function under the additional chief secretary and house 18 departments, including planning and development, health, education, irrigation, communication and works, finance, local government, housing, women development, energy and agriculture.

    Each department will be represented by a special secretary, while having full powers of an administrative secretary.

    The special secretary of each department will have a team of two additional secretaries, four deputy secretaries and four section officers besides ministerial and support staff.

    As the PTI took reins of the Punjab government in 2018 general elections, it created an Executive Council on Creation of South Punjab province.

    However, it soon realized that creating a new province required amending the constitution and a consent of the Punjab Assembly with two-thirds majority in the parliament and in the provincial assembly.

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/2253092...-stir-in-pml-n


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    South Punjab Secretariat to be established at Multan, Bahawalpur: Qureshi

    ISLAMABAD: Foreign Minister Makhdoom Shah Mahmood Qureshi Wednesday said South Punjab Secretariat would be established at both districts of Multan and Bahawalpur.

    He, in a statement, said today, an important meeting in that regard was chaired by Prime Minister Imran Khan and attended by members of the National Assembly belonging to that area.

    The members of Parliament belonging to South Punjab apprised the prime minister of the whole situation regarding functioning of the secretariat, he added.

    Foreign Minister Qureshi further said as per prime minister’s direction, he along with Khusru Bakhtiar would soon hold a meeting with the Punjab chief minister in which establishment of relevant offices in Multan and Bahawalpur would be considered.

    https://www.brecorder.com/news/40008...walpur-qureshi


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    South Punjab Secretariat to become operational on October 15

    ISLAMABAD: The South Punjab Secretariat will formally become operational on October 15, as decided by a meeting chaired by Prime Minister Imran Khan here on Friday.

    The meeting on establishment and working of South Punjab Secretariat was attended by Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi. Chief Minister Punjab Usman Buzdar, Finance Minister Punjab Makhdoom Hashim Jawan Bakht, Chief Secretary Punjab, Additional Chief Secretary South Punjab and Additional Inspector General South Punjab joined through video-link.

    The Prime Minister emphasized that the government’s main focus was to bring about improvement in the lives of common man and directed the administration of South Punjab to work in fulfilling the same vision.

    He lauded efforts of Chief Minister Buzdar and the Punjab government for establishment of South Punjab Secretariat, and said solid steps reflected PTI government’s will to implement its manifesto in letter and spirit.

    He regretted that governments in the past ignored the genuine issue of the people of South Punjab. Stressing on the need for Provincial Finance Commission Award, the Prime Minister said separate allocation for South Punjab would usher in a new era of progress and prosperity.

    Imran Khan directed to complete process of devolution of power phase-wise to ensure smooth running of administrative procedures. He asked to keep him regularly updated on the progress of the working of new Secretariat.

    Foreign Minister Qureshi highlighted the practical steps taken by Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf in accordance with the aspirations of people of southern Punjab, establishment of South Punjab Secretariat, devolution of administrative powers, ending sense of deprivation and resolving problems at their doorsteps.

    https://www.brecorder.com/news/40016...-on-october-15


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    pathetic, the post on this thread shows how posters just dont care about these other cities.

    They want PTI to hold power and not lose it thus dont want the new province.
    Ironic coming from a PPP jiyala. That is exactly what is PPP doing. Destroying Karachi because they have a stranglehold on power due to interior Sindh votebank.


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    I understand there have been no significant moves towards creating this province which is extremely worrying given it was marked out as a key pledge by PTI.

    Punjab is so vast it really needs to be split into three different provinces (N Punjab, Central and S Punjab). In fact Pakistan is in need of a number of new provinces. We need to move on from colonial adminstration that is not fit for purpose anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    I understand there have been no significant moves towards creating this province which is extremely worrying given it was marked out as a key pledge by PTI.

    Punjab is so vast it really needs to be split into three different provinces (N Punjab, Central and S Punjab). In fact Pakistan is in need of a number of new provinces. We need to move on from colonial adminstration that is not fit for purpose anymore.
    Well then KPK, Sindh and Balochistan should also be split into a number of new provinces. It makes perfect sense administratively.


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    What happened to it? The same thing that happened with other 1000 Imran promises!

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    What happened to it? The same thing that happened with other 1000 Imran promises!
    Do you realise that his term is not even 50% yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giannis View Post
    Well then KPK, Sindh and Balochistan should also be split into a number of new provinces. It makes perfect sense administratively.
    Agree with this - it is overdue. Let's see first how PTI deals with the South Punjab province first though, since it was one of their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    I understand there have been no significant moves towards creating this province which is extremely worrying given it was marked out as a key pledge by PTI.

    Punjab is so vast it really needs to be split into three different provinces (N Punjab, Central and S Punjab). In fact Pakistan is in need of a number of new provinces. We need to move on from colonial adminstration that is not fit for purpose anymore.
    There has been significant movement on it. Just that you are illiterate and ignorant.


    Punjab government has established a South Punjab secretariat in Multan and posted commissioners for 16 relevant departments there. An Additional IG specifically for South Punjab has also been posted.

    Formation of a new province isn't like flicking a switch, you have to lay the groundwork and setup the administrative structure. A formal bill will be brought to form the new province near the end of the term. That's because PTI has most of their Punjab seats from South Punjab and if they form the province now they will lose CM-ship of Central Punjab.


    I would recommend that you educate yourself rather than spewing nonsense against the government because of your agendas.

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    For the ignorant

    Last edited by The Viper; 21st October 2020 at 05:41.

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    @Loralai I know in India Urdu isn't taught but you can use Google Translate to understand what is written. However, I'm afraid even if you are able to read it you do not have the requisite brain power to process it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Misbah View Post
    Do you realise that his term is not even 50% yet.
    I know but it will not happen. There is no will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    I know but it will not happen. There is no will.
    You need to worry less about south Punjab and keep an eye out for the yellow peril on your own doorstep. China will be reclaiming Hong Kong in the not too distant future, then let's see how they deal with your separatist protests.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    Agree with this - it is overdue. Let's see first how PTI deals with the South Punjab province first though, since it was one of their election promises.
    I think it should all be done at the same especially if we're going to be doing this on a linguistic basis as a lot of linguistic groups spill across the artificial provinicial boundaries so it only makes sense to "reorganize" the provinicial boundaries while we're doing this. India did this back in the 50s so it's about time we do as well, funnily enough this will irk the same people pushing for a south Punjab province.


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