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    Mandatory for players to play domestic cricket to be available for Pakistan team selection

    Mohammad Amir‘s sudden decision to retire from Test cricket and concentrate on limited overs while shifting his base to UK has prompted the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to make participation in domestic cricket mandatory.

    It is widely believed that Amir, whose wife Narjis is a British passport holder, will be shifting his base to UK and will only play T20s and ODIs for the national side.

    A PCB official of the board said that besides restructuring of the domestic season, it would be made mandatory for players to appear in domestic matches to qualify for the Pakistan team.

    “For example, Mohammad Amir who has now retired from Test cricket has to play in the domestic One-Day cup and National T20 competitions to be considered for national selection,” the PCB source said.

    He said that similarly players who are active in Test cricket must play first class cricket matches.

    The PCB has on the directives of prime minister Imran Khan decided to revamp its domestic structure with first-class competition now being limited to just six provincial teams while 16 regional teams will compete in division two (three-day) tournament besides the national one-day cup and T20 competitions.

    As per plans, the Pakistan board will initially offer domestic contracts to 34 players selected for a provincial side as they have decided to end the participation of institutional sides in the first class competition.

    Departments and banks have been part of Pakistan’s premier domestic tournament (Quaid-e-Azam Trophy) since the 70s and there is a fear that once their teams are not allowed to play in domestic matches their employed players will be rendered jobless.

    The official said that the revised domestic structure was still being finalized as to implement it the board had to first make amendments in its constitution.

    But he said the condition for players to play in domestic cricket was mandatory and wouldn’t be changed.

    Similarly the board is still sticking to its policy of allowing its centrally contracted players to appear in only two T20 foreign leagues but they are also giving permission on a case to case basis.

    https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...lection-873410


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    Excellent decision, need to give respect and importance to domestics in order for it to produce players.

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    I’m loving these decisions made by PCB.

    It is about time we head towards the right direction.

    Also this indicates if any youngster (eg. Shadab, Shaheen) wants to play Tests for Pakistan, he will have to play FC matches.

    Which will improve their performance in Tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mueez View Post
    I’m loving these decisions made by PCB.

    It is about time we head towards the right direction.

    Also this indicates if any youngster (eg. Shadab, Shaheen) wants to play Tests for Pakistan, he will have to play FC matches.

    Which will improve their performance in Tests.
    Practically it is unlikely, they will only be playing odd matches here and there .
    In a 3 format world with a test championship and World T20 coming up, player workloads will have to be managed .
    We also need to let our top players experience cricket outside of Pakistan


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    That's odd.

    Domestic cricket in ENG and AUS is of much higher quality. If a player is able to secure spots there, then that should be counted.

    Bizarre decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    That's odd.

    Domestic cricket in ENG and AUS is of much higher quality. If a player is able to secure spots there, then that should be counted.

    Bizarre decision.
    clearly, the concern is not domestic first class in Australia, England or SA. The concern is playing too many T20 leagues and not really developing as a cricketer.

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    All these changes are great and all, but what about the necessary changes like bowling coach, fielding coach etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    That's odd.

    Domestic cricket in ENG and AUS is of much higher quality. If a player is able to secure spots there, then that should be counted.

    Bizarre decision.
    Apart from county cricket, no international cricketer plays other domestic cricket tournaments(List A and First Class). Right move by the PCB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    That's odd.

    Domestic cricket in ENG and AUS is of much higher quality. If a player is able to secure spots there, then that should be counted.

    Bizarre decision.
    First off, only a handful of our players play county and most of them too play the Vitality Blast T20. No player from Pakistan has played Sheffield Shield since Younis Khan.

    Secondly, domestic cricket is for selection in the national team not the England or Australian sides. Once number of teams decrease, player pool becomes less diluted and pitches improve you will see the standard of cricket go up.

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    This is a good step by PCB in regards to bringing respect back to domestic cricket. They seem to be serious about the change and by all accounts the wheels seem to be in motion. Hope they are successful in implementing all these changes so that for once our system manages to function properly.

    That said, I feel implementing high levels of fitness and fielding standards should also be among their main objectives aswell once they get the system functioning properly. Which would mean getting more professional coaches who can instill the importance of such things in youngsters, rather than chachas who have been coaching since the dawn of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barragan View Post
    All these changes are great and all, but what about the necessary changes like bowling coach, fielding coach etc?
    If these domestic structure changes aren't properly implemented then no amount of superficial changes (change this coach or that coach) will fix our cricket.

    This is about securing the long-term future.

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    Finally the likes of Shadab will have to earn their place for the Test side through FC cricket instead of being selected based on performances in some pyjama or chaddi league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Finally the likes of Shadab will have to earn their place for the Test side through FC cricket instead of being selected based on performances in some pyjama or chaddi league.
    I wonder who selected them


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    With this move we wont see mediocres like Sarfraz and underdevloped like Hussnain who would get into team just because of hype created by media. Media was portraying Sarfraz as dhoni lol.

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    strange decision considering Pakistani selectors rarely pay attention to domestic performances while making selection decisions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    That's odd.

    Domestic cricket in ENG and AUS is of much higher quality. If a player is able to secure spots there, then that should be counted.

    Bizarre decision.
    Not a bizarre decision at all. If you want to raise the standard of domestic cricket and produce quality cricketers, you have to create a competitive environment. How are you going to achieve that if your best players don't play at that level?

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    For close to 150 years, English county & English summer series is played simultaneously with Test (ODI) & First Class games are played overlapping schedules and indirectly, this rule is applied, therefore I don't see any issues here. Traditionally, on Saturday/Sunday prior to the Test match, TCCB/ECB announces 12-14 men squad for the next Test starting before next Saturday (used to start on Thursdays in past, now sometimes Friday or Wednesday as well) - these players are released by their Counties for that Test/ODI and the regular County games go through as per schedule. In past, they actually started County games on Fridays and allowed the 2 extra players in Test squad (in case of 14 men squad) leave the team hotel and join their FC teams to play the game starting on the following day. In old scorecards (of English summer Tests), we'll see some unknown names as substitute fielders - these are local (host County for that Test) reserve players good in fielding.

    To implement this proposed rule, what PCB needs is something I have mentioned several times as one of the top priorities - a fixed annual domestic calendar, so that players (PCB as well for tours) can plan their schedule. Couple of years back several PAK players left National T20 half way through for BPL, which doesn’t help much for players or organizers at all. BPL pays on “pay as you play” basis, hence it was possible to accommodate PAK players midway through the tournament, but if this continues and PCB is strict about the planned ruling - a lot of PAK players will suffer financially, because T20 franchises won’t hire them, risking absence in key games as they can't plan their rotation.

    International schedules are pre-planned, at least 12 months prior to the date, therefore I don’t see much problem here. What PCB used to do in past is to complete their statuary requirements of arranging a FC tournament (almost forced, otherwise they don’t bother much about FC cricket, but ICC demands a FC tournament to keep the Test status) - in a tight schedule spanning about 12-14 weeks, games starting on every 6th day and that too at the worst possible time of the year - September to December. Which means, if PAK has a tour that time (not “if”, actually every time there will be some tours), 18-19 PAK players are bound to miss the FC season, partially or even for entire season. Then, a player can get injured - just about 6 weeks injury at wrong time means his FC season is almost over. I can recall in some season few years back, Umer Amin was in great form and a step or two away from a national call - then he got injured and came back by the time QeA tournament was almost finished.

    This has to change. Six teams, 10 games each (ideally should be 15 - 3 games against every opponents : at home, away & neutral venue) should be spread out over 8 months starting from mid September, till late April/early May - may be they should club 2-3 back to back games in a slot and play 5 rounds (that’s 2-3 FC & List A games in 23-25 days block, then 2-4 weeks break for 5 such rounds). No way FC (& List A as well) games should be played between the gloomiest period of early Nov to Mid Jan, while PCB must have to lock 6-7 weeks window for PSL. Ideally PCB should arrange PSL between December-January; because T20 doesn’t need 6.5 hours playing light, can be played under dark, gloomy even moist sky and white ball game can be played under lights.

    Another significant change that needs to be implemented is synchronization of List A cricket with FC Games. Previously, PCB’s FC, List A & Domestic T20s we’re arranged absolute shambolic way - that’s 3 different teams for three formats and every time a player might find himself in a different shirt. Players are scattered for FC tournaments, for Regional/Department/PAK Cup List A, for National/PSL T20 - therefore each tournament was individually scheduled and it costs lot more precious time to frame the schedule. Now, they have fixed one big problem - 6 squads for top tier cricket (6 teams will play FC, List A & T20 at highest level with a squad that's fixed at the start of the season) - this is ideal to run both FC & List A tournaments simultaneously, which will save lots of time for players to put more time in self development. Idea is, say Lahore/Punjab travels to Karachi/Sindh for one round of "National Cricket" - allow them to carry 16, even 18 players on tour and play 2 games at one go: Mon-Thursday FC game, Saturday List A, Sunday for travelling back. Then, next 2 rounds (1 if they play 10 Games FC season) again starting from next Monday-Saturday schedule followed by 2-3 weeks break.

    Only, the National T20 tournament (The 6 teams tournament) should be arranged as a compact packet of may be 4 weeks - preferably between Nov to Dec, when FC games are not suggested and MUST be just before PSL draft (or other way, PSL draft can be arranged on the day after final). If there is time constraints for the international draft, it can easily be managed by splitting the draft - may be international draft in September or early, allowing franchises enough time to close the paper works and domestic draft on 1st week of January after National T20 is done. Ideally, National T20 should be played in single or maximum 2 venues to keep the schedule compact and thus 2 games per day can be arranged.

    If I rank the issues with PAK domestics at current state that needs to be fixed, proper scheduling is probably 3rd most in my priority, for reasons explained here. They have planned to fix the 2nd one - tournament structure & team composition (don’t bother much about naming it by Region/Province or Corporate - as long as top 100 players are competing against each other’s and there is a back-up tournament for next 60 players (which is the 2nd XI games)). However, all these efforts might go in waste if the Selectors or PCB (& subsequently for Regional teams, A teams, age level teams). Now, they must fix the top priority - domestic wickets. Those absolute rubbish playing surface has to change, and for that PCB should seek out foreign expertise.

    It's a must that, PCB should hire pro curators from UK through Wasim Khan's contacts or (if it's difficult to convince foreigners to stay in PAK for long term) send few just retired, adequately educated FC players (still in their 30s) for extensive training programs at ECB, CA or CSAF facilitates on preparing wickets; because at current state, I don't think PAK has enough domestic resources/expertise to prepare quality wickets for exciting 4-5 days cricket. In past, despite shambolic domestic system, still free scoring batsmen, fast bowlers & genuine spinners were coming through the ranks, because on those 600+ batting belters, at least demanded batsmen to bat for 10-12 hours and play their shots; pacers to bend back & beat batsmen in air if there is noting on track or spinners to flight, turn & loop to entice batsmen and force them out of comfort zone - these current wickets encourages Fawad Alam/Azhar Ali/Misbah style batsmen, Sadaf/Kashif/Imad/Yasir type bowlers.

    However, PCB must ensure that the rules are set (before implementing this) prior to players' contract are signed, players are somewhat compensated and there is no double standard. And, again - PCB must ensure that their scouts and coaches do watch domestic games, particularly FC & List A Games, so that domestic cricket becomes the focal point of PAK cricket, instead of PSL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    If these domestic structure changes aren't properly implemented then no amount of superficial changes (change this coach or that coach) will fix our cricket.

    This is about securing the long-term future.
    So, someone like Hassan has performed in domestic cricket and has an excellent start to his intl. career, but seems to be falling away for a year or so now.

    Who is at fault?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Mohammad Amir‘s sudden decision to retire from Test cricket and concentrate on limited overs while shifting his base to UK has prompted the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to make participation in domestic cricket mandatory.

    It is widely believed that Amir, whose wife Narjis is a British passport holder, will be shifting his base to UK and will only play T20s and ODIs for the national side.

    A PCB official of the board said that besides restructuring of the domestic season, it would be made mandatory for players to appear in domestic matches to qualify for the Pakistan team.

    “For example, Mohammad Amir who has now retired from Test cricket has to play in the domestic One-Day cup and National T20 competitions to be considered for national selection,” the PCB source said.

    He said that similarly players who are active in Test cricket must play first class cricket matches.

    The PCB has on the directives of prime minister Imran Khan decided to revamp its domestic structure with first-class competition now being limited to just six provincial teams while 16 regional teams will compete in division two (three-day) tournament besides the national one-day cup and T20 competitions.

    As per plans, the Pakistan board will initially offer domestic contracts to 34 players selected for a provincial side as they have decided to end the participation of institutional sides in the first class competition.

    Departments and banks have been part of Pakistan’s premier domestic tournament (Quaid-e-Azam Trophy) since the 70s and there is a fear that once their teams are not allowed to play in domestic matches their employed players will be rendered jobless.

    The official said that the revised domestic structure was still being finalized as to implement it the board had to first make amendments in its constitution.

    But he said the condition for players to play in domestic cricket was mandatory and wouldn’t be changed.

    Similarly the board is still sticking to its policy of allowing its centrally contracted players to appear in only two T20 foreign leagues but they are also giving permission on a case to case basis.

    https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...lection-873410
    Make Mohd Amir Play Pakistan First Class matches as well, otherwise no Selection for Pakistan Odi and T20s. I see a rule against retirement from only test cricket get enforced soon.

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    Good decision. Can’t afford players to play in some of these low standard T20 tournaments instead of domestic cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    That's odd.

    Domestic cricket in ENG and AUS is of much higher quality. If a player is able to secure spots there, then that should be counted.

    Bizarre decision.
    If the top players play domestic cricket outside Pakistan, how that would improve the standard of Pak domestic cricket, please enlighten me, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barragan View Post
    So, someone like Hassan has performed in domestic cricket and has an excellent start to his intl. career, but seems to be falling away for a year or so now.

    Who is at fault?
    Has happened to countless Pakistani cricketers - start with a bang but as soon as opponents do their homework on them they fail to work on their flaws.

    Hasan Ali is also disadvantaged by his height, it means he has no margin for error with his length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    For close to 150 years, English county & English summer series is played simultaneously with Test (ODI) & First Class games are played overlapping schedules and indirectly, this rule is applied, therefore I don't see any issues here. Traditionally, on Saturday/Sunday prior to the Test match, TCCB/ECB announces 12-14 men squad for the next Test starting before next Saturday (used to start on Thursdays in past, now sometimes Friday or Wednesday as well) - these players are released by their Counties for that Test/ODI and the regular County games go through as per schedule. In past, they actually started County games on Fridays and allowed the 2 extra players in Test squad (in case of 14 men squad) leave the team hotel and join their FC teams to play the game starting on the following day. In old scorecards (of English summer Tests), we'll see some unknown names as substitute fielders - these are local (host County for that Test) reserve players good in fielding.

    To implement this proposed rule, what PCB needs is something I have mentioned several times as one of the top priorities - a fixed annual domestic calendar, so that players (PCB as well for tours) can plan their schedule. Couple of years back several PAK players left National T20 half way through for BPL, which doesn’t help much for players or organizers at all. BPL pays on “pay as you play” basis, hence it was possible to accommodate PAK players midway through the tournament, but if this continues and PCB is strict about the planned ruling - a lot of PAK players will suffer financially, because T20 franchises won’t hire them, risking absence in key games as they can't plan their rotation.

    International schedules are pre-planned, at least 12 months prior to the date, therefore I don’t see much problem here. What PCB used to do in past is to complete their statuary requirements of arranging a FC tournament (almost forced, otherwise they don’t bother much about FC cricket, but ICC demands a FC tournament to keep the Test status) - in a tight schedule spanning about 12-14 weeks, games starting on every 6th day and that too at the worst possible time of the year - September to December. Which means, if PAK has a tour that time (not “if”, actually every time there will be some tours), 18-19 PAK players are bound to miss the FC season, partially or even for entire season. Then, a player can get injured - just about 6 weeks injury at wrong time means his FC season is almost over. I can recall in some season few years back, Umer Amin was in great form and a step or two away from a national call - then he got injured and came back by the time QeA tournament was almost finished.

    This has to change. Six teams, 10 games each (ideally should be 15 - 3 games against every opponents : at home, away & neutral venue) should be spread out over 8 months starting from mid September, till late April/early May - may be they should club 2-3 back to back games in a slot and play 5 rounds (that’s 2-3 FC & List A games in 23-25 days block, then 2-4 weeks break for 5 such rounds). No way FC (& List A as well) games should be played between the gloomiest period of early Nov to Mid Jan, while PCB must have to lock 6-7 weeks window for PSL. Ideally PCB should arrange PSL between December-January; because T20 doesn’t need 6.5 hours playing light, can be played under dark, gloomy even moist sky and white ball game can be played under lights.

    Another significant change that needs to be implemented is synchronization of List A cricket with FC Games. Previously, PCB’s FC, List A & Domestic T20s we’re arranged absolute shambolic way - that’s 3 different teams for three formats and every time a player might find himself in a different shirt. Players are scattered for FC tournaments, for Regional/Department/PAK Cup List A, for National/PSL T20 - therefore each tournament was individually scheduled and it costs lot more precious time to frame the schedule. Now, they have fixed one big problem - 6 squads for top tier cricket (6 teams will play FC, List A & T20 at highest level with a squad that's fixed at the start of the season) - this is ideal to run both FC & List A tournaments simultaneously, which will save lots of time for players to put more time in self development. Idea is, say Lahore/Punjab travels to Karachi/Sindh for one round of "National Cricket" - allow them to carry 16, even 18 players on tour and play 2 games at one go: Mon-Thursday FC game, Saturday List A, Sunday for travelling back. Then, next 2 rounds (1 if they play 10 Games FC season) again starting from next Monday-Saturday schedule followed by 2-3 weeks break.

    Only, the National T20 tournament (The 6 teams tournament) should be arranged as a compact packet of may be 4 weeks - preferably between Nov to Dec, when FC games are not suggested and MUST be just before PSL draft (or other way, PSL draft can be arranged on the day after final). If there is time constraints for the international draft, it can easily be managed by splitting the draft - may be international draft in September or early, allowing franchises enough time to close the paper works and domestic draft on 1st week of January after National T20 is done. Ideally, National T20 should be played in single or maximum 2 venues to keep the schedule compact and thus 2 games per day can be arranged.

    If I rank the issues with PAK domestics at current state that needs to be fixed, proper scheduling is probably 3rd most in my priority, for reasons explained here. They have planned to fix the 2nd one - tournament structure & team composition (don’t bother much about naming it by Region/Province or Corporate - as long as top 100 players are competing against each other’s and there is a back-up tournament for next 60 players (which is the 2nd XI games)). However, all these efforts might go in waste if the Selectors or PCB (& subsequently for Regional teams, A teams, age level teams). Now, they must fix the top priority - domestic wickets. Those absolute rubbish playing surface has to change, and for that PCB should seek out foreign expertise.

    It's a must that, PCB should hire pro curators from UK through Wasim Khan's contacts or (if it's difficult to convince foreigners to stay in PAK for long term) send few just retired, adequately educated FC players (still in their 30s) for extensive training programs at ECB, CA or CSAF facilitates on preparing wickets; because at current state, I don't think PAK has enough domestic resources/expertise to prepare quality wickets for exciting 4-5 days cricket. In past, despite shambolic domestic system, still free scoring batsmen, fast bowlers & genuine spinners were coming through the ranks, because on those 600+ batting belters, at least demanded batsmen to bat for 10-12 hours and play their shots; pacers to bend back & beat batsmen in air if there is noting on track or spinners to flight, turn & loop to entice batsmen and force them out of comfort zone - these current wickets encourages Fawad Alam/Azhar Ali/Misbah style batsmen, Sadaf/Kashif/Imad/Yasir type bowlers.

    However, PCB must ensure that the rules are set (before implementing this) prior to players' contract are signed, players are somewhat compensated and there is no double standard. And, again - PCB must ensure that their scouts and coaches do watch domestic games, particularly FC & List A Games, so that domestic cricket becomes the focal point of PAK cricket, instead of PSL.
    Definitely PCB farmers AKA "curators" need a comprehensive training programme.

    It's not like they're incapable of producing quality surfaces at all - I thought the pitches for the World XI series in 2017 were good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Has happened to countless Pakistani cricketers - start with a bang but as soon as opponents do their homework on them they fail to work on their flaws.

    Hasan Ali is also disadvantaged by his height, it means he has no margin for error with his length.
    Hassan was not the same case as those previously because he used to bowl attacking lengths and got the ball to seam it, but he has deserted those lengths and isn't getting enough movement with the ball either.

    Also, compare the fielding of Pak during Rixon's tenure, to the current day and you will it had regressed or should I say back to where it was before Rixon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah View Post
    Practically it is unlikely, they will only be playing odd matches here and there .
    In a 3 format world with a test championship and World T20 coming up, player workloads will have to be managed .
    We also need to let our top players experience cricket outside of Pakistan
    The thing is we have seen how undercooked Shadab, Shaheen and Hasan were for Tests.

    It is about time they get experience of working hard day in and day out in FC matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    That's odd.

    Domestic cricket in ENG and AUS is of much higher quality. If a player is able to secure spots there, then that should be counted.

    Bizarre decision.
    The PCB's job is to give opportunities to cricketers that play in Pakistan, they should get first priority.


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    Wasim Khan:

    "The players playing in England etc. will have to come back to play in the FC games before the SL series. We had one or two requests from players asking whether they can stay in England, we told them no, there's a new system in place and you need to play to be available for selection in September. Why can't we create three-dimensional cricketers instead of red-ball or white-ball specialists? With T20s, children don't want to play red-ball cricket. T20 is a wonderful product but it's also a threat to Test cricket. We want red-ball cricket to matter, it's where people remember you and the health check of a nation is how you perform in Test cricket. The Championship is starting and we want to be in the final at Lord's, but it's not going to just happen. We need to improve our performances"

    "Our players play in the PSL and two other tournaments which is standard for the other countries as well. What we don't what to do is to get into a situation where you have freelance cricketers, the de Villiers and the Chris Gayles of this world. Their countries have lost them, why should I play 35 weeks a year, I can play 15 weeks a year and earn. Good luck to them, it's good money. But we need to look at managing workloads, looking at better pay so that it makes it less attractive for them to go. I want our guys to play the best and to earn their value"

    "The reason why it's important to get sponsors for the provinces is because it means it's less money we spend on FC cricket so we can invest it in players' salaries. That's the business plan of the Chairman and myself. If we get a sponsor who covers the cost of running FC cricket in Central Punjab for a season, that's money we were going to spend, we can pull it away and include it in the budget and include more training camps etc. We're sending our coaches every year to England and Australia, umpires as well, to go and learn from the academies and the different environments. This is investment in the future of our game. We want to send our young players to academies, the best 17 or 18 year-olds, go and train at Warwickshire for 4 weeks, go and live on your own, learn about life, that's education for them"


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    This is the right step towards a proper first class system with all our superstars taking part to help grow the game in Pakistan.

    I hope the players realise that this is short term loss for long term gain.

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    Should be made mandatory for Amir as well.


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    Now learning this dude doesn't even want to play first class and wants to move to UK. Yes let's make all the accommodations for the Queen's Son folks.

    Starting to lose all the appreciation I had for this guy as a fan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Wasim Khan:

    "The players playing in England etc. will have to come back to play in the FC games before the SL series. We had one or two requests from players asking whether they can stay in England, we told them no, there's a new system in place and you need to play to be available for selection in September. Why can't we create three-dimensional cricketers instead of red-ball or white-ball specialists? With T20s, children don't want to play red-ball cricket. T20 is a wonderful product but it's also a threat to Test cricket. We want red-ball cricket to matter, it's where people remember you and the health check of a nation is how you perform in Test cricket. The Championship is starting and we want to be in the final at Lord's, but it's not going to just happen. We need to improve our performances"

    "Our players play in the PSL and two other tournaments which is standard for the other countries as well. What we don't what to do is to get into a situation where you have freelance cricketers, the de Villiers and the Chris Gayles of this world. Their countries have lost them, why should I play 35 weeks a year, I can play 15 weeks a year and earn. Good luck to them, it's good money. But we need to look at managing workloads, looking at better pay so that it makes it less attractive for them to go. I want our guys to play the best and to earn their value"

    "The reason why it's important to get sponsors for the provinces is because it means it's less money we spend on FC cricket so we can invest it in players' salaries. That's the business plan of the Chairman and myself. If we get a sponsor who covers the cost of running FC cricket in Central Punjab for a season, that's money we were going to spend, we can pull it away and include it in the budget and include more training camps etc. We're sending our coaches every year to England and Australia, umpires as well, to go and learn from the academies and the different environments. This is investment in the future of our game. We want to send our young players to academies, the best 17 or 18 year-olds, go and train at Warwickshire for 4 weeks, go and live on your own, learn about life, that's education for them"
    Absloutley wonderful decisions!


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketAXEpert View Post
    Make Mohd Amir Play Pakistan First Class matches as well, otherwise no Selection for Pakistan Odi and T20s. I see a rule against retirement from only test cricket get enforced soon.
    Nah who cares if the dude doesn't even want to gain back some respect after the way he tarnished his countries name let him be. Just shows what a greedy man he is, will retire from this form to go and earn more money in other leagues. He's been wanting to retire to just disgusts me.

    On the other hand if somebody doesn't want to play Tests no point in forcing them because they'll likely put no effort in anyways so who cares let them go earn money and tarnish their legacies.


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    LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has instructed three key players — Azhar Ali, Babar Azam and Mohammad Abbas — to return from England, where they are currently playing county cricket, and make themselves available for the revamped Quaid-i-Azam Trophy, which starts from Sept 12

    Dawn learnt that every player who wants to be eligible for Pakistan selection has to appear in the domestic event so he is considered for the two-match Test series against Sri Lanka in October. That’s why Azhar, Babar and Abbas have been instructed to cut short their stints with their respective counties.

    The Quaid-i-Azam Trophy — in which six provincial teams will be featuring —will be held on a double-league basis in two parts.

    The details about the Quaid-i-Azam Trophy and six newly-formed provincial cricket associations/bodies are expected to be announced shortly by the PCB. In the first phase, the PCB is forming the six provincial cricket associations on interim basis for one year and later these bodies will come through the election process. The new system will change the existing 16-region format.

    During the break in the Quaid-i-Azam Trophy, the PCB plans to start the National T20 Cup to provide opportunities to the six Pakistan Super League (PSL) franchises to pick players for the fifth edition through a draft ceremony in November.

    The Quaid-i-Azam Trophy will restart to enable the national selectors to pick the national side for the Test series against Bangladesh.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1498639/az...-county-stints


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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Excellent decision, need to give respect and importance to domestics in order for it to produce players.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mueez View Post
    I’m loving these decisions made by PCB.

    It is about time we head towards the right direction.

    Also this indicates if any youngster (eg. Shadab, Shaheen) wants to play Tests for Pakistan, he will have to play FC matches.

    Which will improve their performance in Tests.
    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    This is the right step towards a proper first class system with all our superstars taking part to help grow the game in Pakistan.

    I hope the players realise that this is short term loss for long term gain.
    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    If the top players play domestic cricket outside Pakistan, how that would improve the standard of Pak domestic cricket, please enlighten me, thanks
    Alright...

    I knew this was a foolish decision.

    Now players are selected in the BBL, and will have to skip the domestic cricket to be able to play there.

    Let's see if you folks stand by your opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Alright...

    I knew this was a foolish decision.

    Now players are selected in the BBL, and will have to skip the domestic cricket to be able to play there.

    Let's see if you folks stand by your opinions.
    Not a problem AT ALL - BCCI is blocking their players from every other T20 league, while BCB has kept open for BPL + 1; PCB can easily do that. Those few players who could crack a deal in T20 leagues (during domestic season) can easily be compensated partially. I am not sure about the size of BBL contracts, but it won't be more than US $100K - that's ~$200K total for the two young fast bowlers. PCB won't be bankrupt paying Shaheen & Hasnain 50% of their deal amount - Faheem can go there and earn his money, he doesn't have much of a brighter future in PAK colors.

    Regardless of this mandatory rule, PCB had to save it's top young cricketer being spoiled by the toxic cricket.

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    The players themselves might prefer Pak domestic as well if standards and pay is improved.

    Good pay + getting selected for Pak team the positives of preferring the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan View Post
    The players themselves might prefer Pak domestic as well if standards and pay is improved.

    Good pay + getting selected for Pak team the positives of preferring the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy.
    Yes the pay is the big factor I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Alright...

    I knew this was a foolish decision.

    Now players are selected in the BBL, and will have to skip the domestic cricket to be able to play there.

    Let's see if you folks stand by your opinions.
    Hawkeye bro, I’m against youngsters playing too much T20 leagues.

    We should look at the bigger picture:

    Do we want our players to stay in our Pakistani domestic setup and groom their skills?

    Which will also result in better cricket being played in our domestic scene. It will also have an impact on the players of other oppositions, new young/emerging players will experience how it is to play against world-class players... and when PCB will select it’s players for the national squad we will know the players which have been selected are capable to play against quality teams.

    Or

    Do we want our youngsters to regress as quickly as Hasan Ali due to playing too much T20 leagues and whose skills would be undercooked?

    If you ask me what to choose, I definitely know what I will choose.

    Short term loss for a long term investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Alright...

    I knew this was a foolish decision.

    Now players are selected in the BBL, and will have to skip the domestic cricket to be able to play there.

    Let's see if you folks stand by your opinions.
    Which side of the fence are you on?


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    Quote Originally Posted by QalandarFan View Post
    Now learning this dude doesn't even want to play first class and wants to move to UK. Yes let's make all the accommodations for the Queen's Son folks.

    Starting to lose all the appreciation I had for this guy as a fan.
    May he wants to become a Brit so that he can play in IPL like Azhar Mahmood? After all, he has demonstrated earlier that money is very important to him!


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    Quote Originally Posted by bala977 View Post
    May he wants to become a Brit so that he can play in IPL like Azhar Mahmood? After all, he has demonstrated earlier that money is very important to him!
    Yeah I'm losing all my respect for this dude. I gave him a chance once when he came back from the fixing saga because he was only 18 and was such a great prospect. But now he's just showing he only cares about money. People like that who don't even care about their nation and just use it as a platform to make money deserve zero respect.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Which side of the fence are you on?
    Either allow everyone or no one. No favoritism.

    Or playing one full season out of 3 could be mandatory.

    Anyway, need to take inspiration from other top teams. Do their regular international players play domestic season? Don't think so. Or very rarely.


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