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    Are Ravindra Jadeja and Shakib Al Hasan Tests ATGs?

    Below are the stats:-

    Ravindra Jadeja

    Age:- 31
    Bat AVG:- 36(1800 runs)
    Bowl AVG:- 24(211 wickets)

    Shakib Al Hasan

    Age:- 32
    Bat AVG:- 39(3800 runs)
    Bowl AVG:- 31(210 wickets)

    Discuss!

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    None of them are test ATGs. Shakib is an ATG all formats combined. However I will have Jaddu in my team over Shakib in tests.

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    Shakib is definitely an ATG if you take into consideration all formats. Easily the 2nd best all rounder of this generation behind Stokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Below are the stats:-

    Ravindra Jadeja

    Age:- 31
    Bat AVG:- 36(1800 runs)
    Bowl AVG:- 24(211 wickets)

    Shakib Al Hasan

    Age:- 32
    Bat AVG:- 39(3800 runs)
    Bowl AVG:- 31(210 wickets)

    Discuss!
    Yes to both but only atg for their count. Jadeja he has a ridiculous record a lot of his is home bullying but nothing wrong since he has home bullied every opposition consistently.

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    If you are a half decent player and you play for a crappy team you have some perks. You will never be dropped. You can plan your innings the way you want as you are the boss. You are in control of your things not someone else. It allows you to reach your full potential. Steve Tikolo, Tendoschate are a couple of examples. Shakib does enjoy this advantage.

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    the mark of an atg all rounder is if they can hold there own in at least one discipline.

    jadeja in india as a bowler is next level (150 wickets at 21), his fielding and batting and very big perks.

    shakib has decent records as a batsmen and as a bowler home and away, hes not got atg levels in either tho imo.

    jadeja in asian conditions is an atg imo, and you just cant ignore his batting and fielding contributions, hes probably one of the best indian cricketers in terms of consistent contributions.

    away from asia i dont think either would make a world xi at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElRaja View Post
    the mark of an atg all rounder is if they can hold there own in at least one discipline.

    jadeja in india as a bowler is next level (150 wickets at 21), his fielding and batting and very big perks.

    shakib has decent records as a batsmen and as a bowler home and away, hes not got atg levels in either tho imo.

    jadeja in asian conditions is an atg imo, and you just cant ignore his batting and fielding contributions, hes probably one of the best indian cricketers in terms of consistent contributions.

    away from asia i dont think either would make a world xi at the moment.
    Shakib has 5 fers in England,SouthAfrica,scored a double hundred in New Zealand.
    You are right Jadeja is better in subcontinent conditions.
    Shakib will be my pick outside Asia,Jadeja in Asian conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy0204 View Post
    Shakib has 5 fers in England,SouthAfrica,scored a double hundred in New Zealand.
    You are right Jadeja is better in subcontinent conditions.
    Shakib will be my pick outside Asia,Jadeja in Asian conditions.
    yes he does, but my point is that if ur looking for a world xi, ravi jadejas performance in india with the ball is world class, on his bowling alone u can argue he gets in.

    shakib is a very good batsmen, but an average of around 38 with the bat isnt good enough to merit a place on batting performance alone imo.

    away from asia id rather have a seaming all rounder and specialist spinner (which shakib doesnt hold down a spot imo), and ben stoke and cdg would get the nod because of that.

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    Both are in same phase at his moment but going forward jadeja will lead

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    If you are a half decent player and you play for a crappy team you have some perks. You will never be dropped. You can plan your innings the way you want as you are the boss. You are in control of your things not someone else. It allows you to reach your full potential. Steve Tikolo, Tendoschate are a couple of examples. Shakib does enjoy this advantage.
    I would say its the opposite, being in a crappy team can significantly hinder your performance.

    Shakib was also one of 11 Wisden ODI player of the decade. He didn't make it there just by being in a crappy team.

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    ofcourse both are ATGs. shakib is one of the greatest all rounders in odi. jadeja is an ATG player in tests specifically. Not in the best player of all time top 10 category though. He is still a ATG.

    He is a bit of a home bully. However, he has some good performances away from home too. He isn't like a top 10 ATG type all rounder but he is up there amongst the top 20 greats.

    I would still take jadeja over shakib in tests and vice versa in odi's.

    odi there is no doubt shakib is a an ATG. jadeja is just a slightly above average player in odi.

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    Please don't insult the term ATG. Shakib is a really good player, and Jadeja is extremely useful to his team in Tests. But the term ATG is reserved for the best of the best.


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasn't arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Has Jadeja got his Test bowling average outside Asia under 40 yet?

    When he does, he will have improved to Zulfiqar Babar level on the all-time list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Has Jadeja got his Test bowling average outside Asia under 40 yet?

    When he does, he will have improved to Zulfiqar Babar level on the all-time list.
    Oh, yea. I see suddenly that international cricket becomes your criteria for greatness. Why not check his domestic record instead?


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    Just checked, Jadeja has 30 wickets in 10 Tests at an average of 40.28 in SENA.

    So quite a long way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Has Jadeja got his Test bowling average outside Asia under 40 yet?

    When he does, he will have improved to Zulfiqar Babar level on the all-time list.
    Abdul Qadir has test bowling average of 46 outside Asia.

    So, fair to say that Jadeja has already surpassed him and improved a level ahead now from Qadir level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Abdul Qadir has test bowling average of 46 outside Asia.

    So, fair to say that Jadeja has already surpassed him and improved a level ahead now from Qadir level.
    Forget Asia, he averages 48 away from home.


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    jadeja is a true 3 dimensional player. To be a true all tim3 great he neednto either bat or bowl well in australia, England and new zeland though. I think he is quite handy with the bat in n.z. Not sure about australia and England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Please don't insult the term ATG. Shakib is a really good player, and Jadeja is extremely useful to his team in Tests. But the term ATG is reserved for the best of the best.
    I think Shakib is certainly an ODI ATG and a test great while Jadeja is also a test great and very good in ODIs. However, in tests, if they can continue or elevate their performance even more, we may see two test ATGs in making.

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    Shakib is an ATG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Please don't insult the term ATG. Shakib is a really good player, and Jadeja is extremely useful to his team in Tests. But the term ATG is reserved for the best of the best.
    Shakib certainly has a strong claim if you take into consideration every format.

    He just had a GOAT level WC, has been ranked as the best all rounder across formats for quite some time, has 10,000+ runs and over 550 international wickets as well.

    If you remove Stokes from the list, I personally don't think any other current all rounder can be called better than Shakib.

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    Few thousand runs and a couple hundred wickets doesn't make one a test great. At least not in my book. Numbers and longevity matter the most in this oldest, purest and grandest format of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Abdul Qadir has test bowling average of 46 outside Asia.

    So, fair to say that Jadeja has already surpassed him and improved a level ahead now from Qadir level.
    Don't think anyone will call Qadir ATG. Pakistan has 4 ATG only, Miandad, Wasim, Waqar and IK.

    YK and Inzi are borderline ATG in tests.

    Jadeja and Shakib are not ATG.

    IMO, ATG is an exclusive club of the very best and should not be diluted by including very good players.

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    Shakib is the better ODI player, and Jadeja the better test player.

    In fact, Jadeja is the perfect AR in asian conditions, even better than Shakib. In SENA, I will take neither in the squad. I would go for a fast bowling AR and an attacking spinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    Don't think anyone will call Qadir ATG. Pakistan has 4 ATG only, Miandad, Wasim, Waqar and IK.

    YK and Inzi are borderline ATG in tests.

    Jadeja and Shakib are not ATG.

    IMO, ATG is an exclusive club of the very best and should not be diluted by including very good players.
    id say yk is atg, ave almost 40 or above against every opponent, only played 20 odd tests at home, 34 hundreds, 8 not outs in 4th innings test wins, and technically one of the best players of spin of his generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElRaja View Post
    id say yk is atg, ave almost 40 or above against every opponent, only played 20 odd tests at home, 34 hundreds, 8 not outs in 4th innings test wins, and technically one of the best players of spin of his generation.
    Wouldn't argue with anyone who wants to rate him as ATG. It comes down to what one considers the threshold for being an ATG.

    Some people rate players like Sehwag, Kumble, Yousuf, Walsh, Clarke etc as ATG as well but I wouldn't.

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    Cricket truly is dead when you have a thread arguing which of Jadeja or Shakib are ATG’s...

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    ATGs?
    Do people know what the word 'great' means?
    Kapil, Imran, Botham, Hadlee, Kallis ...great.
    Shakib, not there yet.
    Jadeja, No.

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    If India forms an ATG XI i am sure Jaddu won't feature in it ahead of Ashwin, Kumble. Jaddu is not a skillful spinner like Ashwin. He relies on natural variations that pitch offers on day 4, 5. He is accurate. Ashwin on the other hand is man with bag of tricks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    Cricket truly is dead when you have a thread arguing which of Jadeja or Shakib are ATG’s...
    if jaddu performs well in n.z and England then he is pretty much guaranteed to be in that list.

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    Neither are All time great. Great player of thier era for their respective country, however Jadeja is no allrounder. He is a bowler who can bat a bit. Shakib is a complete package. Jadeja is a better bowler than shakib. The only two real allrounder of this generation is Stokes and Shakib, who can win you a game with either bat or ball. Rest, I don't even know whey we call them allrounders ...


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