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    Flood alert issued for River Sutlej, Indus after India releases water 'without preschedule' [#23]

    ISLAMABAD: As tension escalates between Pakistan and India on the Kashmir issue, New Delhi has initiated water war and its attempts to circumvent the Indus Waters Treaty 1960 are also becoming visible.

    The Pakistan Commission of Indus Water (PCIW) has to this effect sensitised the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to the Indian attempts to make the treaty ineffective.

    The treaty ensures the water rights of lower riparian country — Pakistan — and if it is not implemented by the upper riparian — India — then it may lead to a war, endangering the world peace.

    Pakistan Commissioner for Indus Waters Syed Mehar Ali Shah told The News that despite Pakistan’s repeated requests, the Indian side had not supplied advanced flood information to Pakistan, which was supposed to be supplied from 01st July to 10th October in accordance with the agreement of 1989 made by the Pakistani and Indian commissioners.

    He said Pakistan had been making repeated requests to India on various aspects under the treaty, which had been stalled by India since long.

    He said Pakistan’s request to India for a Special Tour of Inspection of Kishenganga hydroelectric plant and other projects in Jhelum basin remained stalled since 2014 despite a series of correspondence.

    He clarified that the Indian side while denying Pakistan its right to conduct a Special Tour of Inspection had been referring all along to the adverse weather conditions or similar constraints.

    He also stated that the General Tour of Inspection was arranged by India for Pakistan’s delegation on its side in February this year, which was again inordinately delayed, counting from Pakistan’s requests started since 2014.

    Shah also said the matter of non-provision of advanced flood information by India was brought in the knowledge of Ministry of Foreign Affairs with a request to take up with the Indian government through regular diplomatic channel.

    Shah said the treaty could be implemented if both countries fulfilled their obligations and the rights enshrined therein remain safeguarded in letter and spirit.

    “Whenever the implementation of provisions of Treaty gets circumvented or delayed for one reason or the other, the treaty gets stressed which will have serious implications.

    In the wake of recent denial of India to supply advanced information to Pakistan apropos 1989 agreement, I note the matter as a deep concern especially in the backdrop of not permitting Pakistan to visit Kishenganga dam as per the right given to both the countries under Article VIII (4) (d) and the other fundamental issues which are pending resolution,” he said.

    He said true implementation of the treaty was lifeline for Pakistan and in case of non-implementation, it will have direct implications for Pakistan’s food security and its agrarian economy would consequently suffer which was not acceptable at any cost.

    He said it was in the benefit of both the countries to implement the provisions of the treaty in letter and spirit as water was too sensitive a subject on which there should be no politics, particularly when both the countries had resolved the matter of water sharing in terms of signing of the Indus Waters Treaty in 1960.

    “If the treaty implementation remains marred, the option of taking t next course of action cannot be ruled out,” he added.

    https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/512...ty-ineffective


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    this makes war inevitable.

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    i doubt this will happen, but when you are down lying about gdp growth rates, nothing can be ruled out.

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    What else can you expect from joke of a nation?

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    Go ahead ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    i doubt this will happen, but when you are down lying about gdp growth rates, nothing can be ruled out.
    Lying? Really?

    Btw do you believe that water from Indus and its distributaries and tributaries should be equally divided between India and Pakistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Btw do you believe that water from Indus and its distributaries and tributaries should be equally divided between India and Pakistan?
    Lying, yes.
    As for whether its equitable or not, i hope they find ways to resolve bilaterally real or imagined issues there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    Lying, yes.
    As for whether its equitable or not, i hope they find ways to resolve bilaterally real or imagined issues there.
    Should the water be divided equally or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Should the water be divided equally or not?
    I have no idea. How is it divided currently/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    I have no idea. How is it divided currently/
    33 million acre feet to India

    80 million acre feet to Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    33 million acre feet to India

    80 million acre feet to Pakistan.
    That seems unfair given the population of the two countries. I hope they find a way to resolve bilaterally rather than it becoming another source of tension

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    That seems unfair given the population of the two countries. I hope they find a way to resolve bilaterally rather than it becoming another source of tension
    The Indus rivers are not India's main source of water, there many other Indian rivers such as Ganga, Narmada, Brahmaputra, Godavari, Krishna, Kaveri etc.

    Agreements do get discarded over time when one of the signatories believe they would be better off the agreement in its current form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    33 million acre feet to India

    80 million acre feet to Pakistan.
    Indus water for thousands of years(maybe even lot longer), has been flowing that way. Pakistan did not reroute the water (they are not close to source to do that anyway), at any point in history to serve them well, rerouting this water is asking for trouble...

    Secondly, Indus water is not main source of water for India, Indian rivers have different origin and pathways, Pakistan has never lay claims on them, why India should lay claim on Pakistani waters??

    BTW: Indus waters originate from Tibet not India...

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    It will eventually happen if we don’t mend our ways and learn to mind our business. We are a broke country that cannot afford a war, and if India retaliates by violating the Indus Water Treaty, what option would we have? Nothing.

    It will completely Pakistan journey from a broke state to a failed state, and also create a refugee situation. Hence, after 72 years of blunders, the time has come for pragmatism and picking our battles wisely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It will eventually happen if we don’t mend our ways and learn to mind our business. We are a broke country that cannot afford a war, and if India retaliates by violating the Indus Water Treaty, what option would we have? Nothing.

    It will completely Pakistan journey from a broke state to a failed state, and also create a refugee situation. Hence, after 72 years of blunders, the time has come for pragmatism and picking our battles wisely.
    India has never violated the IWT throughout the various periods conflicts they've been involved in with Pakistan. The IWT actually gives Pakistan a very, very generous amount of water (I don't think there are many instances where the upper riparian has willingly given away such a large chunk of the available water resource).

    Up until recently India didn't even bother to use their full allocation so Pakistan have benefitted from getting a bonus amount - and India only decided to take that away in a childish *** for tat move earlier this year.

    The question every Pakistani civilian should be asking is, how have they let their politicians mismanage all of that extra resource and get away with blaming the enemy nextdoor for their own mismanagement.

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    IWT is one of the things which project India is an extremely good light. The past government who signed IWT and sunsequent government's who followed IWT were extremely generous. Pakistani population should understand and respect this.

    Now the current scenario is different, with the current government and Anti Pakistani rhetoric growing daily, a lot of people got to know about IWT and media is focusing on IWT. As a result, IWT might be tweaked (from Indian POV).


    Pakistani population need to understand the change in dynamics is result of their own governments wrong doings over the last few decades. Now they are dealing with an Indian government who is doing the same, *** for tat is never right however one needs to understand historic blunders, condemn them and then ask for support for same blunders present side is committing. Then they would get better support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Indus water for thousands of years(maybe even lot longer), has been flowing that way. Pakistan did not reroute the water (they are not close to source to do that anyway), at any point in history to serve them well, rerouting this water is asking for trouble...

    Secondly, Indus water is not main source of water for India, Indian rivers have different origin and pathways, Pakistan has never lay claims on them, why India should lay claim on Pakistani waters??

    BTW: Indus waters originate from Tibet not India...
    Tibet has been occupied by China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akki malhotra View Post
    Tibet has been occupied by China.
    go liberate Tibet then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    That seems unfair given the population of the two countries. I hope they find a way to resolve bilaterally rather than it becoming another source of tension
    I hope the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It will eventually happen if we don’t mend our ways and learn to mind our business. We are a broke country that cannot afford a war, and if India retaliates by violating the Indus Water Treaty, what option would we have? Nothing.

    It will completely Pakistan journey from a broke state to a failed state, and also create a refugee situation. Hence, after 72 years of blunders, the time has come for pragmatism and picking our battles wisely.
    What sayeth you regarding all those thieves who have been looting our 'broke' country from start?

    Should we raise pitchforks against them?

    PS: Here I thought we were already a failed state


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    In its latest act of aggression against Pakistan, India has released up to 0.2 million cusecs of water into the River Sutlej without notifying the relevant authorities.

    At least 150,000 to 200,000 cusecs of water from the Indian state of Punjab is expected to spill into Ganda Singh Wala – a village in Pakistan near Kasur located at the border – during the next 12 to 24 hours, the National Disaster Management Authority (NDMA) warned.

    India has also opened three out of five spillways of Ladakh Dam, which may lead to flooding in the nearby settlements, the NDMA added.

    In view of the flood alert, the administrations of Kasur and other districts located at the bank of River Sutlej have been advised to initiate necessary measures to tackle any emergency.

    Meanwhile, India has continued to resort to violations along the Line of Control. Two Pakistani civilians were martyred on Sunday in the latest bout of unprovoked firing by Indian troops along the LoC.

    Two Pakistani civilians martyred by India's unprovoked firing at LoC: ISPR

    The Indian Army "targeted civil population with mortars and Anti Tank Guided Missiles in Hot Spring Sector along LOC," the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) said in a statement.

    The Pakistan Army in retaliatory fire reportedly killed two Indian Army soldiers and injured many others.




    https://www.geo.tv/latest/245176-flo...o-river-sutlej
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    Flood alert issued for River Sutlej, Indus after India releases water 'without preschedule'

    The Provincial Disaster Management Authority (PDMA) of Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa issued flood alerts after India released water into River Sutlej and Alchi dam.

    PDMA Punjab on Monday issued a flood alert due to rising water levels in River Sutlej after India released water into the river. Additionally, the PDMA KP director general on Sunday said that India had opened the outlets of Alchi dam "without preschedule" which, he said could lead to a flooding situation in River Indus.

    According to the PDMA Punjab, flood water between the range of 125,000 and 175,000 cusecs is expected to reach Ganda Singh Wala at 11am today.

    A dispatch has been issued to the relevant agencies asking them to ensure that all protective measures are taken.

    The disaster management authority said that the flood alert had been issued in order to avoid the loss of lives and properties.

    The Pakistan Meteorological Department (Met) has also issued a flood/weather advisory. According to the department, "very heavy to extremely heavy rainfall has been observed over the upper and lower catchments of Rivers Sutlej, Beas and Ravi during the last 72 hours".

    Punjab Chief Minister Usman Buzdar has summoned an emergency meeting to discuss the flood alert for River Sutlej. During the meeting, the situation will be discussed in detail including a focus on steps taken for relief work and the security arrangements made.

    According to the CM Office, various officials including the provincial disaster management minister, provincial irrigation minister, a senior member of the Federal Board of Revenue, the inspector general of police, administrative officers and officials from relief organisations will participate in the meeting. Deputy commissioners and commissioners from various areas including Sahiwal, Multan and Bahawalpur will also participate through a video link.

    Meanwhile, the PDMA KP director general on Sunday wrote a letter to various provincial deputy commissioners with an alert regarding India opening the water outlet of Alchi dam.

    As per the dispatch, the water would take 12 hours to reach Tarbela dam and around 15-18 hours to reach Dera Ismail Khan.

    "The damming authorities at Tarbela have been instructed by [National Disaster Management Authority] NDMA to regulate the inflow and water discharge so as to overcome a flooding situation."

    He directed the deputy commissioner's to restrict boating and swimming activities, adding that the catchment area near the Indus River should be monitored in order to deal with any untoward situation.

    Relations between Pakistan and India have been strained since India stripped Kashmiris of the special autonomy they had for seven decades through a rushed presidential order on August 5. Following this, Pakistan resolved to downgrade diplomatic relations with New Delhi and suspended all bilateral trade.

    Flood alert for New Delhi

    According to Indian media reports, a flood alert has been issued for New Delhi.

    India Today reported that the Delhi government issued a red-alert for the low-lying areas of the city. The report added that people living in the areas were asked to move to safer places as the water level in Yamuna River was expected to rise and "cross the danger mark" today.

    Additionally, NDTV reported casualties in various parts of India in rain related incidents. At least 24 people were killed while nine others were injured in the northern state of Himachal Pradesh. The death toll in Karnataka rose to 76 while three individuals were killed in Punjab after the roof of a house collapsed.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1500403/fl...ut-preschedule


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    Why haven't pakistan built their own dams downstream?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diffusion View Post
    Why haven't pakistan built their own dams downstream?
    Internal bickering and the fact that they’d rather spend their money elsewhere. Pakistan haven’t completed a new dam since the 1960s.

    Speaking of which what’s happened to the dam crowdfunding?

    Nevertheless if the story about India releasing water without warning Pakistan is true then that’s poor form imo.

    Another reason why both nations need to make peace and work together on such things instead of the perpetual conflict.

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    Assam: 107 die and four million people displaced in worst floods for years

    Devastating floods in India's northeastern state of Assam have killed 107 people and displaced more than four million.

    Around 28 of the state's 33 districts have been affected, making it one of the worst floods in recent times.

    About 50,000 people have been rendered homeless and relocated to 649 relief camps set up by the government, while 3,000 villages have been inundated with flooding and 130,000 hectares of farmland damaged as a result.

    The Central Water Commission of India issued a severe flood alert, warning the waters of the Brahmaputra river will continue to rise until Monday evening.

    This disaster comes at a time when the state and the country are fighting the coronavirus pandemic. The destruction of livelihood and crops will further add to the economic burdens people are facing.

    An estimated 3.4 million animals have also been affected by the floods. According to Assam state officials, more than 100 animals including nine rhinos, wild buffalo, deer and wild boar have died.

    More than 85% of the famous Kaziranga National Park and Tiger Reserve is under flood water. The reserve houses the Bengal tiger, as well as elephants and the rare one-horned Indian rhino.

    More than 2,400 rhinos of this species inhabit the park, while there is a high concentration of the endangered tiger.

    On their India tour in April 2016, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge spent two days in Assam and visited Kaziranga National Park.

    The couple met with the anti-poaching squad in Bimoli camp and went on a safari and saw rhinos, elephants and deer.

    In some of the most memorable scenes of the trip, the couple had fun feeding milk to baby elephants and saw rhinos being cared for at a wildlife rehabilitation centre.

    William and Kate also visited the Asian Elephant Learning centre and Clinic set up by Mark Shand, the late brother of the Duchess of Cornwall, who devoted his life to the protection and care of elephants.

    The Kaziranga ecosystem is prone to floods as it is sandwiched between the mighty Brahmaputra river and Karbi Anglong - hills sprawling with rare and untouched flora and fauna.

    With the exception of the year 2018, floods have affected more than 60% of Kaziranga National Park every year since 2016. This year has been one of the worst.

    Scientists have attributed the frequent occurrence of floods to climate change.

    https://news.sky.com/story/assam-107...years-12031849

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    September 19 marks the 60th anniversary of the Indus Water Treaty (IWT) between India and Pakistan, a treaty that is often cited as an example of the possibilities of peaceful coexistence that exist despite the troubled relationship. Well-wishers of the treaty often dub it “uninterrupted and uninterruptible”. The World Bank, which, as the third party, played a pivotal role in crafting the IWT, continues to take particular pride that the treaty functions.

    The role of India, as a responsible upper riparian abiding by the provisions of the treaty, has been remarkable but the country, of late, is under pressure to rethink the extent to which it can remain committed to the provisions, as its overall political relations with Pakistan becomes intractable.

    Back in time, partitioning the Indus rivers system was inevitable after the Partition of India in 1947. The sharing formula devised after prolonged negotiations sliced the Indus system into two halves. The three ‘western rivers’ (Indus, Jhelum and Chenab) went to Pakistan and the three ‘eastern rivers’ (Sutlej, Ravi and Beas) were portioned to India. Equitable it may have seemed, but the fact remained that India conceded 80.52 per cent of the aggregate water flows in the Indus system to Pakistan. It also gave Rs 83 crore in pounds sterling to Pakistan to help build replacement canals from the western rivers. Such generosity is unusual of an upper riparian.

    India conceded its upper riparian position on the western rivers for the complete rights on the eastern rivers. Water was critical for India’s development plans. It was vital, therefore, to get the waters of the ‘eastern rivers’ for the proposed Rajasthan canal and the Bhakra Dam without which both Punjab and Rajasthan would be left dry, severely hampering India’s food production. Jawaharlal Nehru, while inaugurating the Bhakra Canals in 1963, described it as “a gigantic achievement and a symbol of the nation’s energy and enterprise”.

    In Pakistan, however, it was an occasion of strong resentment, grieving that India got away with the total flow of 33 million acre-feet on the eastern rivers “virtually for a song”. Nehru was always conscious that the Bhakra Canals should not be at the cost of reduced water supplies to Pakistan. However, he was also very clear that India’s interest on the eastern rivers should be protected hoping that the two countries should someday come to live “amicably and cordially as the United States and Canada live in North America”.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/ex...-look-6601741/


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