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    PCB announce details of a new three-tier domestic cricket structure

    The new domestic structure will be based on a three-tiered bottom up approach; providing a clear pathway for the aspiring cricketers to graduate to the top level, bringing in more young and talented cricketers in the system.


    The three-layered structure will function as follows:

    · In the first tier, the 90 city cricket associations will be responsible for organising club and school cricket in their respective jurisdictions and subsequently forming their city cricket teams

    · In the second tier, the city cricket teams will participate in intra-city competitions within the jurisdiction of their cricket associations

    · In the third tier, the best performing players from the intra-city competitions will form the six respective cricket association side that will participate in the PCB-organised tournaments

    Underpinning the pathway system will be six High Performance Programmes which will provide quality cricket and lifestyle plans to equip players with the all-round skills required in the modern game.

    Incentivising high-performing players

    The players’ earnings will also increase in the new structure.

    Thirty-two non-PCB centrally contracted players would be awarded annual domestic contracts at each cricket association and will feature in first-class, non-first class, List ‘A’, and T20 tournaments during a season.

    The cricket associations will also be free to select players from outside the pool of 32 contracted players on per-match payment.

    Each of the domestic contracted players will receive monthly retainers of PKR50,000 and it is anticipated that a high-performing player will earn between PKR2million and PKR2.5million per season in terms of allowances, match fees and prize money (details to be announced in due course).

    Besides the players, the new structure is also expected to create employment opportunities for the qualified coaching staff and former cricketers. Along with the administrative roles, each cricket association will have a players’ support personnel staff which will include head coaches, batting coaches, bowling coaches, fielding coaches, trainers, physiotherapists and video analysts to look after first class, second XI, U19, U16, U13 teams and high performance programmes.

    There will also be three selectors working with a cricket association each.


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    According to the powerpoint persentation by Wasim

    16 city teams of Central Punjab
    14 city teams of Southern Punjab
    11 city teams of Northern
    13 city teams of Balochistan
    19 city teams of KPK
    17 city teams of Sindh

    Overall 90
    Last edited by shah_1; 31st August 2019 at 13:44.

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    There are several things wrong with the map posted.
    1) Sargodha Division should be part of Central Punjab but is being shown in the South.
    2) Islamabad ICT + Rawalpindi Division should be a part of Northern but is being shown in Central Punjab.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    According to the powerpoint persentation by Wasim

    16 city teams of Central Punjab
    14 city teams of Southern Punjab
    11 city teams of Northern
    13 city teams of Balochistan
    19 city teams of KPK
    17 city teams of Sindh

    Overall 90
    Where can I find this presentation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSchultz View Post
    Where can I find this presentation.
    Watched it live on PCB YT channel, they haven’t uploaded the video yet.

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    Every serious Pakistan cricket fan must watch the presentation in full.

    This is far more important than who is going to be our next batting or bowling coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    According to the powerpoint persentation by Wasim

    16 city teams of Central Punjab
    14 city teams of Southern Punjab
    11 city teams of Northern
    13 city teams of Balochistan
    19 city teams of KPK
    17 city teams of Sindh

    Overall 90
    Wasim also said the city cricket associations must have 12 active clubs. This is apparently to stop formation of bogus clubs and to clamp down on corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    According to the powerpoint persentation by Wasim

    16 city teams of Central Punjab
    14 city teams of Southern Punjab
    11 city teams of Northern
    13 city teams of Balochistan
    19 city teams of KPK
    17 city teams of Sindh

    Overall 90
    District has been replaced by city cricket. The district will turn to city cricket

    Look at the old structure
    https://www.pcb.com.pk/distribution-...t-regions.html

    E.g


    Lahore Region

    1. East Zone
    2. North Zone
    3. West Zone



    Sialkot Region

    1. Sialkot
    2. Gujranwala
    3. Hafizabad
    4. Narowal
    5. Gujrat
    6. Mandi Bahauddin
    7. Sheikhupura



    Faisalabad Region

    1. Faisalabad
    2. Sargodha
    3. Jhang
    4. Bhakkar
    5. Kasur
    6. Mianwali




    Intra district tournament used to happen, now it is important to revive club cricket, and ensure merit all the way from U13 city level to national team, no club poltics, no city or cricket association president selecting players based on poltics. Regional cricket existed before and deparment cricket used to pick best players from the regions. The problem was always the regions, they were the feeders, developing young talent.

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    Can someone explain the city competitions ?

    So we have 90 cities overall. Will there be an intra-regional city competition, and an inter-city competition featuring the six champion cities ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Can someone explain the city competitions ?

    So we have 90 cities overall. Will there be an intra-regional city competition, and an inter-city competition featuring the six champion cities ?
    https://www.pcb.com.pk/regional-inte...ment/1150.html

    Something like this

    City cricket will be very similar to district cricket, read my post above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Can someone explain the city competitions ?

    So we have 90 cities overall. Will there be an intra-regional city competition, and an inter-city competition featuring the six champion cities ?
    Yes true

    E.g 16 teams of central punjab will compete with each then winner of this and other cricket associations will compete with each other

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    Yes true

    E.g 16 teams of central punjab will compete with each then winner of this and other cricket associations will compete with each other
    That's good.

    The National Inter-City Championship final should be a televised fixture too.

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    If this gets implemented properly, could be watershed moment for Pak cricket.

    Hope this revives Pak cricket as world cricket needs strong Pak team.

    Good luck

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    Not lying, but this is the structure that I thought of when there was talk of being change.

    This is perfect as there will competition at every single tier, there will be something to play for and cricketers at lower levels have a clear pathway set out to reach the top. It will also be easier for scouts to look for new talent as there won't be random clubs everywhere.

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    Just want to know, what will be the role of Sheikh Shakeel?


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    A good plan , let's see how well and how much of it is implemented .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ottoman View Post
    Just want to know, what will be the role of Sheikh Shakeel?
    Will be the president of northern cricket association

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    Chairman Peshawar Zalmi Javed Afridi congratulates PCB Chairman Ehsan Mani on the new Domestic Cricket Structure.

    Mr. Javed Afridi congratulated Mr. Ehsan Mani on the new domestic cricket structure. According top winning captain PM Imran Khan, PCB has remodeled the domestic cricket structure. Through this system, we will see better cricketers emerging and this model will become a role model for other sports as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ottoman View Post
    Just want to know, what will be the role of Sheikh Shakeel?
    Nothing, hopefully.



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    Excellent system.

    We will hopefully see the results soon which we all wish for!

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    Well done PCB. Are they following the Australian model?

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    Ok I am as excited as everyone but has anyone got any information on breakdown of monthly retainer from there region teams , march fees breakdown.

    Like are these players actually better off ?

    Was watching talk show on YouTube thigh stated what these players get for monthly salary the departments use to pay them per Match?

    Would love to get actual breakdown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Well done PCB. Are they following the Australian model?
    Yes, similar.


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    After innumerable threads made after every series loss, it's finally happening, lol. Imran lived up to his words, yet again.
    Last edited by Chief Destroyer; 1st September 2019 at 07:39.


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    Quote Originally Posted by azimiqbal View Post
    Ok I am as excited as everyone but has anyone got any information on breakdown of monthly retainer from there region teams , march fees breakdown.

    Like are these players actually better off ?

    Was watching talk show on YouTube thigh stated what these players get for monthly salary the departments use to pay them per Match?

    Would love to get actual breakdown
    Wasim Khan's slideshow does say that under the old system, department cricketers earned around 1.2 million PKR, and under the new system it would be increased to 2.0 - 2.5 million PKR.


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    Quote Originally Posted by azimiqbal View Post
    Ok I am as excited as everyone but has anyone got any information on breakdown of monthly retainer from there region teams , march fees breakdown.

    Like are these players actually better off ?

    Was watching talk show on YouTube thigh stated what these players get for monthly salary the departments use to pay them per Match?

    Would love to get actual breakdown
    The PCB press release said they will roll all the information out over the course of the next few days. Patience my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSchultz View Post
    There are several things wrong with the map posted.
    1) Sargodha Division should be part of Central Punjab but is being shown in the South.
    2) Islamabad ICT + Rawalpindi Division should be a part of Northern but is being shown in Central Punjab.
    Nothing wrong - you are mixing administrative boundary with cricket zone boundary. Read my next post on this for explanation.

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    They have splitted entire PAK in to 90 pieces, with one City/Town name attached with - it was very similar to district cricket in past. This time, rather than district names, they have used City/Town name for the lower tier. Those 90 teams will form 6 Regional/Zonal teams (Basically, they are clubbed under 6 Brand names). This is exactly what it should be done and very close to Australian (Or BCB) Model. Instead of naming 2nd tier as City/Town league, they call it Grade Cricket ..... several grade teams form the entire AUS cricket map and they are clubbed under 6 (Now, I think it'll reach 8, they'll add Northern Territory & Federal Territory as two more FC teams) state teams. In BD, we have almost identical structure with 8 Regional teams covering whole country - next tier is 64 districts and then thousands of clubs. On top of that, because of history and sponsorship money, they have continued a separate List A Tournament - Dhaka League, which is a semi professional Dhaka Metro based Tournament in 4 Divisions and around 50 clubs.

    Only area that I would have revised is the distribution of Cities - 90 teams should have been equally distributed for a consistency (of number of games, schedule, population distribution .. etc). From the City split, even without looking at the players' distribution, I can say Sindh, both Central Punjab & KPK will be extremely competitive while other 3 Zones' City/Town based competition will be less demanding (in terms of players' qualification). That doesn't mean at highest level (6 City winner's competition), representatives from those 3 weaker cities will be weak - Multan or R'Pindi or even Queta can win that competition, but standard of these three Zonal league should be lower.

    I understand that since they have maintained State/Province boundary as divider as much as possible, but I think this is one area that they need to re-work.

    First, need to make 18 City Zone, instead of 16 and add 2 names in Balooch & S Punjab Zone, so that it's 3 each in every Zone. Then, they need to break State/Province boundary and make the distribution as even as possible. May be, they should add 2 more City/Town zone - Gwadar & Gujranwala. Greater Lahore & Greater Karachi is so much cricket rich and ahead of other areas that, whichever way we split, Zones containing these two will be stronger un-proportionately. Ideally, push Faisalabad down to South Punjab (I know it's 100 Km from Lahore) to make it balanced and then split 18 City Zones like this

    Sindh: Karachi, Hydrabad, Larkana
    S Punjab: Multan, Faisalabad, Bahawalpur
    C Punjab: Lahore, Sialkot, G'wala
    Northern: I'bad, R'pindi, AJK
    KPK: Peshawar, Abt'bad, FATA
    Balooch: Quetta, DMJ, Gwadar

    Then, they should shift two smaller town teams to to South Punjab (Makes it 15 Club Zone in Sindh), then shift 1 Club Zone from South Punjab to Central Punjab (Making SP 15 Club Zone and C Punjab 17); then shift northeast 2 Club Zone of Central Punjab to Northern Zone, bringing C Punjab to 15 and Northern to 13. Then shift north most two KPK Club Zone to Northern and South most 2 to Balooch Zone - that makes it 15 each in every Zone and considering the talent pool of PAK, all 5 Zones will be almost equal in terms of strength & resources. Balooch team will always be weaker for at least 10-12 years - for them, what is essential is to allocate Gwadar a City Zone status (1 of 2 expansion).

    Overall, this is probably the near perfect situation that they could have done and not much to write/criticize about planning. But, from my professional experience or a Portfolio Manager, I can say that they have done just about 10% of the task - even someone like me sitting at Toronto with a Wikipidia and Google Map, could have done this sort of area demarcation - what 90% left is execution. I have seen full proof small projects stopped at halfway for failure of proper execution - this is a Mega project with at least 25 years of Operation.

    I'll write something more on the future operation of this Model when I am free (But has to be before 14th, or not).
    @Abdullah719

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    Salman Butt: What works in Australia, doesn’t in Pakistan — not yet at least

    The recent debate on dissolving the current domestic cricket structure of Pakistan and introduction of regional-based system has created much disaffection in the fraternity. Our respected Prime Minister and the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) wish to have a restricted number of people playing first-class cricket, as in the Australian domestic cricket model, in order to create a higher level of competition, which it thinks will bring greater quality. As someone who is a part of this field, I wish humbly to disagree with the suggested changes and raise a number of points for consideration. We would be doing a great wrong if overnight we shut down the current Pakistan domestic structure which provides prospects and a vital income for so many players and their families. Like anything in the world, our system has flaws, but it has also kept many players engaged in competitive cricket. For those affected, it will be like being fired by a company, without getting a pension, after serving them loyally for 20 years.

    Moreover, our current structure has ensured that we have a reservoir of quality players available to us for selection from whom we have consistently turned out a world-class team. Despite Pakistan not being able to play their matches at home since 2009, they were recently the number 1 ranked Test team and currently the number 1 ranked T20 team.

    When Pakistan lost Saeed Anwar and Waqar Younis shortly before the 1992 World Cup, we still managed to win. Yet when a one-year ban was imposed on Australian players Steve Smith and David Warner, they slipped to the bottom of the rankings. This shows that it is not a simple formula that fewer teams will produce a quality side and more teams a worse one. India has 37 teams in its first-class competition, the Ranji Trophy. Equally, parts of the world with less than sophisticated cricket structures have produced world-beating sides, such as West Indies in the 1970s and 80s and Sri Lanka in the 1990s. Sometimes, it might be a combination of a sound foundation and good fortune that turns a good side into a great one.

    Diet plans, instructors, fitness regimes are all very expensive, and even a Pakistan’s middle-class family can manage them with no real hope of a return. If you are a fast bowler, you need 5-6 pairs of spikes every year and need to have a specific diet while going to the gym every day. 2-3 bats and spikes can easily hit a price tag of Rs.200,000/-, which is an investment for nothing if you overlook the importance of domestic competition. The current department teams are made and paid for by sponsors, which matters a lot in our field. Match officials, grounds, kits, playing equipment are all taken care of by these sponsors. These sponsors don’t ask for much, their matches are not televised, and no demands are raised, so what is the point of dismissing this huge support from our domestic cricket structure?

    Importantly, England and Australia are welfare states. For example, if a player gets sick in those countries, the medical is either insured or free. Education is free, there is a weekly allowance as well, and the option to rent a reasonable property is always available, so the standard of living is great. Can our officials ensure that the same level of facilities will be provided to our boys? Our youngsters come from middle to low-income families, and their parents would rather have them work at an office to earn than leave them at the mercy of a cricket system which offers them so little prospects and no income. That means that only the children of the more well-off in Pakistan will pursue a career in cricket, which we all know would be a loss of some of our greatest talent.

    Pakistan is not Australia: The Australian system is for 2.4 million people only, and it is a welfare state, whereas we have a population of 207 million, many of whom go to bed without eating a proper meal. In Australia, you can become a much bigger star in various other sports, an option which can’t be applied to Pakistan. Cricket is the only field where a person can expect to gain recognition. If this single option is also busted, where will you find future stars? Australia has an established cricketing structure, hierarchy, and feeder system for the first-class game. We don’t have anything like the same sound footing through which promising players can be identified and nurtured in our school, club, and college/university-level cricket. We don’t have a similar pyramid-style structure that will provide the talent pool from which we can nurture and unearth the stars of the future.

    Naturally, I want Pakistan to have a world-class system and to consistently be the best cricket team in the world. However, the governing bodies don’t need to dissolve the existing things that are happening to bring out this change. Let the current system coexist with the PCB’s new vision, and then we can expect some betterment and a frame of reference. This way, you can open the door to more competition which is healthy for a youngster stepping into this game. There will be no complaints, and there well no opposition.

    So just like the 70 players of Pakistan Cup, six teams can be made out of 90 best domestic players if they are 15-a-side. A four-day competition can be held out of these six teams just like the Pakistan Cup, and that can be named the premier first class division/ tournament which is also the Prime Minister’s vision. However, there should be a system that squeezes out quality players from this lot to be considered for the national team by selectors. It can be a justified selection as per the player’s particular performance in any match. When a player makes it to these 120 or so lot, they should be paid a good fee and kept in good accommodation and provided the chance to prove their abilities to be considered as a key player for the national team. I propose that this tournament should applaud the vision of our PM. This ‘Premier Level’ should be termed as a highly interactive competition that brings out the best in each player. The result: players who can quickly adjust to international standards. If you want to get 120 players who are under 30, how do you expect them to learn? The players who are 30 plus and know tricks and trade of longer formats can become mentors to the younger lot as they play together in premier level tournaments. This is apart from the monetary benefits.

    Revamp basic level cricket: To achieve international standards, we need our school cricket, club cricket, and college/university level cricket to be taken seriously. Stop playing T20s at the junior level and let the youngsters play two-day or three-day matches to test their stamina. Twenty20 is not the ideal format to season your cricket techniques. If you want to play T20s there is no harm, but longer format cricket must become a norm in basic levels. I believe there is a lot to lose if they revamp our current domestic structure and plan to start from scratch. Just as the Punjabi expression about not slapping your own cheeks red teaches us, things cannot artificially be forced to be something they are not. Any new structure has to coexist at least for half a decade to get a good bunch through. Meanwhile, find a way to finance players, because it is a source of inspiration for a young man who wants his family and friends to believe in his ambition, or else he would be shoved into a university to pursue a career for which he has no passion. For now, we can’t entirely replicate Australia. So, we should start slowly, coexist with the system, so that healthy competition can show us the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Salman Butt: What works in Australia, doesn’t in Pakistan — not yet at least

    The recent debate on dissolving the current domestic cricket structure of Pakistan and introduction of regional-based system has created much disaffection in the fraternity. Our respected Prime Minister and the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) wish to have a restricted number of people playing first-class cricket, as in the Australian domestic cricket model, in order to create a higher level of competition, which it thinks will bring greater quality. As someone who is a part of this field, I wish humbly to disagree with the suggested changes and raise a number of points for consideration. We would be doing a great wrong if overnight we shut down the current Pakistan domestic structure which provides prospects and a vital income for so many players and their families. Like anything in the world, our system has flaws, but it has also kept many players engaged in competitive cricket. For those affected, it will be like being fired by a company, without getting a pension, after serving them loyally for 20 years.

    Moreover, our current structure has ensured that we have a reservoir of quality players available to us for selection from whom we have consistently turned out a world-class team. Despite Pakistan not being able to play their matches at home since 2009, they were recently the number 1 ranked Test team and currently the number 1 ranked T20 team.

    When Pakistan lost Saeed Anwar and Waqar Younis shortly before the 1992 World Cup, we still managed to win. Yet when a one-year ban was imposed on Australian players Steve Smith and David Warner, they slipped to the bottom of the rankings. This shows that it is not a simple formula that fewer teams will produce a quality side and more teams a worse one. India has 37 teams in its first-class competition, the Ranji Trophy. Equally, parts of the world with less than sophisticated cricket structures have produced world-beating sides, such as West Indies in the 1970s and 80s and Sri Lanka in the 1990s. Sometimes, it might be a combination of a sound foundation and good fortune that turns a good side into a great one.

    Diet plans, instructors, fitness regimes are all very expensive, and even a Pakistan’s middle-class family can manage them with no real hope of a return. If you are a fast bowler, you need 5-6 pairs of spikes every year and need to have a specific diet while going to the gym every day. 2-3 bats and spikes can easily hit a price tag of Rs.200,000/-, which is an investment for nothing if you overlook the importance of domestic competition. The current department teams are made and paid for by sponsors, which matters a lot in our field. Match officials, grounds, kits, playing equipment are all taken care of by these sponsors. These sponsors don’t ask for much, their matches are not televised, and no demands are raised, so what is the point of dismissing this huge support from our domestic cricket structure?

    Importantly, England and Australia are welfare states. For example, if a player gets sick in those countries, the medical is either insured or free. Education is free, there is a weekly allowance as well, and the option to rent a reasonable property is always available, so the standard of living is great. Can our officials ensure that the same level of facilities will be provided to our boys? Our youngsters come from middle to low-income families, and their parents would rather have them work at an office to earn than leave them at the mercy of a cricket system which offers them so little prospects and no income. That means that only the children of the more well-off in Pakistan will pursue a career in cricket, which we all know would be a loss of some of our greatest talent.

    Pakistan is not Australia: The Australian system is for 2.4 million people only, and it is a welfare state, whereas we have a population of 207 million, many of whom go to bed without eating a proper meal. In Australia, you can become a much bigger star in various other sports, an option which can’t be applied to Pakistan. Cricket is the only field where a person can expect to gain recognition. If this single option is also busted, where will you find future stars? Australia has an established cricketing structure, hierarchy, and feeder system for the first-class game. We don’t have anything like the same sound footing through which promising players can be identified and nurtured in our school, club, and college/university-level cricket. We don’t have a similar pyramid-style structure that will provide the talent pool from which we can nurture and unearth the stars of the future.

    Naturally, I want Pakistan to have a world-class system and to consistently be the best cricket team in the world. However, the governing bodies don’t need to dissolve the existing things that are happening to bring out this change. Let the current system coexist with the PCB’s new vision, and then we can expect some betterment and a frame of reference. This way, you can open the door to more competition which is healthy for a youngster stepping into this game. There will be no complaints, and there well no opposition.

    So just like the 70 players of Pakistan Cup, six teams can be made out of 90 best domestic players if they are 15-a-side. A four-day competition can be held out of these six teams just like the Pakistan Cup, and that can be named the premier first class division/ tournament which is also the Prime Minister’s vision. However, there should be a system that squeezes out quality players from this lot to be considered for the national team by selectors. It can be a justified selection as per the player’s particular performance in any match. When a player makes it to these 120 or so lot, they should be paid a good fee and kept in good accommodation and provided the chance to prove their abilities to be considered as a key player for the national team. I propose that this tournament should applaud the vision of our PM. This ‘Premier Level’ should be termed as a highly interactive competition that brings out the best in each player. The result: players who can quickly adjust to international standards. If you want to get 120 players who are under 30, how do you expect them to learn? The players who are 30 plus and know tricks and trade of longer formats can become mentors to the younger lot as they play together in premier level tournaments. This is apart from the monetary benefits.

    Revamp basic level cricket: To achieve international standards, we need our school cricket, club cricket, and college/university level cricket to be taken seriously. Stop playing T20s at the junior level and let the youngsters play two-day or three-day matches to test their stamina. Twenty20 is not the ideal format to season your cricket techniques. If you want to play T20s there is no harm, but longer format cricket must become a norm in basic levels. I believe there is a lot to lose if they revamp our current domestic structure and plan to start from scratch. Just as the Punjabi expression about not slapping your own cheeks red teaches us, things cannot artificially be forced to be something they are not. Any new structure has to coexist at least for half a decade to get a good bunch through. Meanwhile, find a way to finance players, because it is a source of inspiration for a young man who wants his family and friends to believe in his ambition, or else he would be shoved into a university to pursue a career for which he has no passion. For now, we can’t entirely replicate Australia. So, we should start slowly, coexist with the system, so that healthy competition can show us the way.

    https://dailytimes.com.pk/458201/wha...-yet-at-least/
    Salman Butt raises some very vital points which I hope the PCB has strongly considered and pondered over.

    However I disagree with his notion that things are easier for people living in welfare states like England, Australia, Canada etc. The govt doesn't blindly take care off you just like that, you still have to put in the work to take care of yourself. In the West everyone has to work ultimately and it is considered unacceptable for 2-3 people to live off one person even if they are your immediate family members.

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    Sounds interesting.

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    Our system was good till 1998, we produced world class players after that we kept on changing systems and at the end got a garbage system of adding regions and department cricket together

    -Patron trophy
    8-9 departments(best of the lot)

    -Patron trophy grade 2
    All the lowly departments


    Quaid e Azam trophy

    8-9 regions teams

    Good thing was both didn't clash so it was quality cricket all way
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    I still feel lahore and Karachi deserves separate teams

    Overall 8 teams would work wonderfully with 8 2nd XI teams.

    Things can improve after this season

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    Our system was good till 1998, we produced world class players after that we kept on changing systems and at the end got a garbage system of adding regions and department cricket together

    -Patron trophy
    8-9 departments(best of the lot)

    -Patron trophy grade 2
    All the lowly departments


    Quaid e Azam trophy

    8-9 regions teams

    Good thing was both didn't clash so it was quality cricket all way
    That’s the biggest myth - come out of this misconception, otherwise it won’t change ever. PAK’s system was even worse than 2018, before 1998 - only difference is that those days English Counties were allowed to field/register many more foreigners.

    It slowed down in early 90s before almost complete shut down by 2000 - since then in terms of producing world class talent, SRL has comfortably beaten PAK from their domestic resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    That’s the biggest myth - come out of this misconception, otherwise it won’t change ever. PAK’s system was even worse than 2018, before 1998 - only difference is that those days English Counties were allowed to field/register many more foreigners.

    It slowed down in early 90s before almost complete shut down by 2000 - since then in terms of producing world class talent, SRL has comfortably beaten PAK from their domestic resources.
    My questions is

    How do we evaluate best talent out of 90 cities team? There will be around 1800 players playing. Maybe pick the best performing U23(20 players squad) of each association then have a tournament named emerging talent QEA trophy

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    Now we are waiting on the squads. PCB need to release them soon so that the teams have time to prepare for the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    My questions is

    How do we evaluate best talent out of 90 cities team? There will be around 1800 players playing. Maybe pick the best performing U23(20 players squad) of each association then have a tournament named emerging talent QEA trophy
    The easiest method is bottom-up talent accumulation. If the system is perfect, automatically the top 200 players will be filtered out at higher tier. You don't need to hand pick players, rather system should filter out the best - obviously, there has to be lots of human touch required as well, lots of passion, selection honesty and hard work to filter out the best. Just like talent hunting in job sector, where top companies select the best candidates from the country, sometimes world, it's much easier to filter 35 players out of 1800, if the scouts do their job in proper spirit.

    Yes, after say top 25 players, it's really difficult to differentiate between next 200, because margin is too narrow between average players, therefore there will always be some unfortunate players missing out and some lucky ones getting an undeserved favor - 80:20 rule is applicable every where. Even in best leagues with highest level of talent management, do you think each of the 500+ players that play in EPL are better than everyone playing in Championship, or the 500+ players that play in NBA, each one is better than other lower leagues?

    Eventually, no matter which format or system you use, exceptional talents will stand out - in that regard, yes, I don't think restructuring is the key to all success. For PAK's case, even with previous model, Babar & Amir would have been standout players, as long as selection is done on merit, they would have made it. BUT, filtering best players (among thousands) wasn't the biggest challenge in PAK - it never for any country, as long as selection integrity is there. This system will help PAK Cricket in in a different dimension.

    The biggest change that this latest model will do is (Something I wrote many times) that it'll force top PAK players to compete against each others and it'll create a survival attitude among them. For long, players like M Hafeez & S Malik had milked PAK cricket because they were smarter than average players and kept their nose above others, without improving their game to next level. Imagine after 20 years of cricket, you bowl 3 perfect bouncers on target to Malik or 3 leg-cutters on perfect channel to Hafeez -most times they'll get out or have to bank on luck to survive.

    This system (If executed perfectly) will force players to survive at higher level and constantly keep their game ahead of next bunch. This is what AUS cricket is all about - they play every FC game as their audition and one bad performance could end a career - Stuart Law failed in couple of games, that AUS Selectors were scouting, Martyn & Lehman performed..... I always tell that PAK players lack on killer instinct more than skills, because of these soft games that they are groomed in - so, often they fail when chips are down. Exactly opposite is AUS- whenever a player is under threat, most times he bites back to hold on to the last straw. What English County gave PAK players is that professional, uncompromising mindset (Obviously they purified the technique as well), that killer instinct and that fighting/survival attitude that was missing in QeA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Every serious Pakistan cricket fan must watch the presentation in full.

    This is far more important than who is going to be our next batting or bowling coach.
    I thought Wasim did a great job. The biggest challenge will be executing the plan given the pressure that will be applied by people with vested interest. It’s the constant blackmailing through tv/journalism that makes most bow down. If Wasim can have 3 successful seasons with this system it’ll flush out a lot of waste.

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    Karachi, September 5 2019: The new domestic structure introduced by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has received the backing of star Pakistan cricketers including present and former players. The PCB unveiled an ambitious and competitive 2019-20 domestic cricket structure, which revolves around the creation of a more quality and intensity focused system to significantly improve first-class cricket and create sustainable success at international level.

    The new structure will give importance to club cricket, provide the best cricketing environment to young talented cricketers, reward top performers, create employment opportunities for former cricketers and qualified coaches, and bridge the gap between domestic and international cricket.

    System set to add value to first-class cricket, a courageous move by the PCB which should reap long term rewards: Former cricketers

    Former Test fast-bowler and head coach of HBL PSL franchise Lahore Qalandars Aaqib Javed, is a fan of the new domestic system, and according to him, the new system is focusing on quality while overcoming the challenges and confusion of the past. He said:

    “I have studied the new domestic structure, it is a dream come true kind of a situation. Our domestic system was criticised from all quarters in recent years and the reason was that the system was inclined more towards quantity rather than quality. It was really tough to explain to outsiders what our domestic system was and there was a lot of confusion.

    “This new system has brought clarity, we know who all would be playing first-class cricket, and, we have also been explained in detail regarding the Second XI cricket. There is a clear pathway for the age group players with the performers graduating to the top-level. Unlike the past, the promotion and relegation would be of players not teams, which is another correct step since you need players, not teams from domestic system.

    “A very important aspect in the domestic structure is the facilities, pitches, dressing rooms, ground conditions and balls. The deployment of the Kookaburra ball is a very good development. We have seen in the past that bowlers who used to bowl with Pakistani domestic balls really struggled with Kookaburras at the international level.

    “A major concern that seems to have been overcome is the financial aspect for players. With departments removed from the system, there were doubts about players’ future. However, this new system is offering up to PKR2million for a season to a player. It is a good start. I wish the very best to PCB, as a coach and former player, I really like the idea.”

    Former international player Ghulam Ali, who played domestic cricket in Pakistan for 17 years, feels the new system will produce mentally tough cricketers, who should progress to international cricket with relative ease. He said:

    “There were some doubts about the new domestic structure, initially; there was some resistance to the change, now it seems that there are some real positives, especially, since there are only six very competitive teams. This system will ensure quality which means the performers here would be mentally tough and should be able to make the next step to international cricket relatively easy.

    “The pay structure looks pretty impressive, players will have to work hard to maintain fitness in order to ensure they keep their contracts and perform at a consistent basis.

    “The pay increase in prize money for teams is another positive step. There would be a bigger base for coaches, players and administrators at the same time. My best wishes are with the new system and if it is allowed to run for three years it should provide results.

    “PCB, meanwhile, should also work towards the welfare of first-class players, especially, post retirement. Players should be given pensions and their medical should be covered. When players know their future is taken care off and they won’t be left alone it would allow them to concentrate fully on the game.”

    Former Pakistan captain and renowned commentator Ramiz Raja has congratulated the PCB on the new domestic system. Ramiz hopes the system will bring meritocracy both in administration and player selection. He said:

    “It is an extremely courageous and bold move by the PCB to revamp the domestic structure. The old system was not working and its failings were reflected in our inconsistent performances on the international scene. This new system is very logical with emphasis on city based and province based system. I want to congratulate the PCB on this important step. Going forward, it would be vital for the PCB to hire capable administrators to run the city based associations, people who don’t have vested interests or indulge in club level politics.

    “The associations must be run professionally like the provincial sides, good administration; I feel, is absolute key for success of the system. Former cricketers should also work in administration of the team; similarly, the associations and provinces should be given ownership of selection of players and held accountable. The system has to ensure that talent is not lost due to a poor selection or a personal bias.

    “The PCB should also unveil a telecast/broadcast plan to attract sponsors, advertisers and investors. The various competitions identified in the system should be run on HBL Pakistan Super League style or as close to it as possible as it will help create a fan base. If all these aspects are packaged properly this system will flourish for sure. The system is good and it has a lot of potential and should produce superstars for Pakistan cricket.”

    Former Pakistan captain Shahid Afridi has backed the new domestic system. Shahid feels the system will once again bring value to first-class cricket and cricketers and it will encourage performers, making them work hard to retain their contracts. He said:

    “This system looks very good as it is set to promote quality over quantity. In recent years, first-class cricket was made a little too easy and a lot of first-class players emerged due to the sheer quantity of games. This new system brings back value to a first-class cricketer, which I feel had gone missing with the increase in quantity of players. With only having six teams in the fray, we will surely see a drastic improvement in the quality of the competition.

    “At the same time, players playing these events will have to produce their best all the time and would work really hard to ensure that they retain their contracts. I feel that this system should be given at least three to four years then only we would be able to gauge the merits of the system.

    “For now it seems a very good system with benefits for the players in a real competitive environment, I would like to wish the best of luck to all involved.”

    Pitches quality should improve, more focus than ever on umpires, who must up their game: Bazid Khan and Rashid Latif

    Bazid Khan, former Test batsman and now a renowned commentator, feels the biggest positive of the new system should be the quality of pitches and also hoped that umpiring standards would improve with greater scrutiny than ever on the match officials. According to Bazid, the use of the Kookaburra balls is a move which should help narrow the gap between domestic and international cricket. He said:

    “The quality of pitches should improve since the matches would be spaced out and you can have the best curators work on the pitches and on the venues. If the pitches are substandard, the curators can be questioned as they won’t have the lack of time excuse anymore. In the past, it was impossible for curators to give sufficient time to pitch preparation due to packed schedules.

    “Another advantage is that monitoring the umpires would be easier, rather than 12 odd games at a time, only three first-class matches would be played in a round. As a result, only six teams would be giving reports on umpires’ performance which will make it easier for PCB to keep tabs. I hope more quality over quantity will have a good effect on the standards with the improved scrutiny on the umpires’ performance.

    “The change in balls should also help narrow the gap between international and domestic cricket, in the recent past or the last 10-15 years, the condition of the pitches and the balls used was totally different to international cricket which made adjustment to the highest level, a major challenge both for batsmen and bowlers.

    “There would be more focus on these games for the mere fact that the number is reduced, the schedule has been announced in advance, giving everyone time to prepare for the games and even if you want to watch the games you know where and when to go.”

    Giving an elaborate assessment of the new domestic system, former Test captain and now an established cricket pundit, Rashid Latif said, the new domestic system is focused on providing more quality, through the new system’s spaced out first-class schedule, the curators will have plenty of time to prepare quality pitches. Rashid is willing to give the system two to three years for fruition and a positive impact on Pakistan cricket. He said:

    “The standard of pitches should improve considerably since the games are spaced out while umpiring will be under more scrutiny than ever which should hopefully help improve this crucial aspect of the game. Umpiring hasn’t been satisfactory in recent times at the domestic level, I hope there is emphasis on maintaining the standard from now on.

    “There might be some difficulties at the start, since the teams have lessened and the regions have been merged. Last year, 353 players took part in first-class cricket, while this year, the number should be around 212 including the centrally contracted players for first-class and non-first class games. The competition will be tough and the system will include the best senior and junior players.

    “Coaching staff in first and second eleven should be top-class. The head coaches would have a lot at stake and would need to induct solid teams under them which would be a challenge. I feel that the new opportunities for coaching should be available for both NCA coaching staff and the new coaches who will have fresh ideas and approach. The players who are retiring or are on the verge of retirement have a lot to look forward to in terms of coaching opportunities.

    “Provincial cricket should succeed but it would require a lot of monitoring, the lower tiers, city based cricket and age-group selections should be properly monitored and the games should be broadcast or streamed. Selections should be purely on performance in the games rather than the trials system, U13, U16 and U19 are very vital for sustenance of the sport.

    “The system will take up to three years to bear fruit, once the teams are picked up by investors/franchises, the financial burden would also ease on the PCB. It is thus vital to ensure that we have quality in the system to attract people. There is hope aplenty and these are exciting times for cricket, if things are done properly and monitored at the same time, the system should provide rich dividends.”

    “My best wishes are with the PCB for the effort they have made, the downside is that the departments have been abolished which is quite a shock for a lot of people. But still it is a big initiative and a lot off effort has gone into making the new structure. I do feel there would be some teething problems yet we would fully support this endeavour while at the same time pointing out the shortcomings. ”

    Sarfaraz, Azhar, Fawad and Shan excited to feature and perform in a competitive and quality based system:

    Sarfaraz Ahmed termed the new domestic structure as ‘competitive’. The wicketkeeper-batsman has featured in 49 Tests, 114 ODIs and 55 T20Is and has a rich experience of first-class, List A and T20 cricket (149 first-class matches, 194 List A matches, 181 T20s). He has represented Karachi Dolphins, Karachi Harbour, Pakistan International Airlines and Sindh in domestic cricket. Sarfaraz said:

    “The new domestic system will be very competitive. The selectors will try and make strong teams. To me, the idea of a second XI is very exciting. The players who perform for the second XI will get a chance to progress to the main team and that will be a big boost to the players. At the top-level, the presence of six teams’ means that the focus would remain on the quality of the games.

    “These are exciting times and I am very confident that the new system will make this year’s domestic cricket very competitive for the players and the fans alike. We will get to see good cricket which should help young players as they graduate to the highest level.”

    Azhar Ali has appeared in 73 Tests for Pakistan, tallying 5669 runs at an impressive average of 43.27 with 15 centuries and 31 half-centuries. The 34-year-old has rich experience of Pakistan domestic cricket (187 first-class matches, 171 List A, 49 T20 matches), courtesy long appearances for Lahore and Khan Research Laboratories, while he has also donned the Pakistan A’ kit. He feels that exciting and competitive cricket is on the cards in the 2019-20 season following the overhaul of the domestic system. Azhar said:

    “The new domestic system will be very exciting, cricket would be very competitive and quality will improve. Players would have to produce their A game all the time since there won’t be any easy games or opposition on offer.

    “The good thing about well-balanced teams is that it will make the competition tough for all involved which means all the players involved would have to be on their toes throughout. The system is based on quality of performance only which is really exciting for all of us.”

    Test cricketer Fawad Alam, who is one of the top performers in the domestic circuit, feels the real assessment of the new system will be made by the time the 2019-20 season comes to a close. In 155 first-class appearances the left-handed middle-order batsman averages 56.08 having accumulated 11441 runs with the aid of 30 centuries. The richly experienced southpaw has played domestic cricket for Karachi, National Bank of Pakistan, Pakistan Customs and Pakistan Emerging Team. Fawad said:

    “It’s a new system and hopefully it would be good for cricketers and Pakistan cricket. It will take time to grasp it properly as a player. In my own experience, playing international cricket is a bit easier compared to domestic cricket since there are many challenges that players need to overcome in a domestic season, there is a big struggle that one has to go through.

    “Hopefully, the new system will help in that regard. I feel we will get familiarised with the system in the first season and then provide our feedback on what are the areas where improvements can be made. All in all, it is a positive development which will hopefully bring rewards in the longer run for Pakistan cricket.”

    Test opener Shan Masood feels that the new system is set to provide quality over quantity, for Shan lesser number of teams with an equally distributed talent pool means, no opposition would be of inferior quality. The left-handed batsman has so far appeared in 15 Tests and five ODIs for Pakistan, at the domestic circuit, Shan has played for Federal Areas, Karachi Whites, Pakistan A and Rest of Pakistan U19s, he already has 112 first-class, 92 List A and 35 T20 appearances under his belt. Shan said:

    “Since the pool of players has shortened, only the quality performers are likely to be seen in action. Top-class players will compete in first-class cricket, efforts will be made to ensure participation of centrally contracted players or the players who are Pakistan regulars which will further enhance the quality of the competition. In the past, we have seen that performers of events like National T20, Pakistan Cup have graduated to the next level and done well for Pakistan.

    “It seems that unlike the past, the focus is only on quality of the competition rather than quantity. Through the new system we are likely to see meaningful and competitive games only, there won’t be any easy games, regardless of the pitches, the quality of the opposition will make it a tough proposition for the players. I really do feel that this system can bring good results, it should be exciting and worthy for all involved.”

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    Anybody know when the new Trophy logos and Association logos will be launched? Originally they said Wednesday. I'm just curious and excited as a student of design to finally see some professionalism in Pakistan cricket design language.

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    There should have been 8 cricket associations otherwise I like the new system

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    Afridi backs PCB’s new domestic cricket system

    ISLAMABAD - Former Pakistan captain Shahid Afridi has backed the Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) new six-team domestic cricket system, saying it will help the country in getting quality cricketers.

    While talking to The Nation on Friday, Afridi said: “I always had a very clear stance on domestic cricket system. I always remained a vocal supporter of reducing the size of the teams to ensure competitive and quality cricket. Around 400 players played the first class cricket last year, as the PCB had expanded the quantity of cricketers. Previously, the PCB distributed first class caps to almost every player for playing in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy. But after this new system, players will have to dig deep and give performance as per international standards to play first class cricket.

    Every system must be continued for at least three to four years and changes in the system must not be made after every year. I hope this new system will remain a constant hit. It is the need of the hour to improve our domestic cricket, as we were not getting quality players for the last several years. We only got one or two quality players from the Pakistan Super League (PSL).”

    The 44-year-old further said: “I will continue to support quality cricket, as without ensuring tough rules and providing chances to players, we will not get quality cricketers to represent the country at international level. Our new players manage to get green caps and make debuts, but they always vanished soon, which affects Pakistan cricket badly. With fewer teams, we will witness tough competitions between the players. Now the PCB is offering quality amount for domestic players, which will enable players to give their 100 percent. As per the system, almost 200 players will be vying for few available places in the national team.

    We need top class bowlers, as there is acute shortage of quality pacers. We are also in dire need of a top class off-spinner and an all-rounder, as we don’t have any after Saeed Ajmal, Abdul Razzaq and Azhar Mehmood. That is why Pakistan team suffer especially in the Test and 50 overs. I hope, the new season will unearth some spinners, fast bowlers, batsmen, wicketkeepers and all-rounders.”

    When asked about PCB’s decision to appoint Misbah-ul-Haq as head coach-cum-chief selector despite the fact that he doesn’t have any such experience, Afridi replied: “I think it is a massive challenge for Misbah and the PCB. My prayers are with him, as he has two huge responsibilities. He has to balance both roles and prove the trust shown in him by the PCB.”

    “He has earlier proved his skills as captain of the national team. If he will take tough decisions, ensure merit and handle pressure sensibly, he will definitely deliver goods for the country,” Afridi concluded.”

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    I been going over the cricket structure and believe the thing pcb needs to add is maybe 6 more under 23 teams , so there is a natural progression from under 19 cricket .

    As you all know some pope develop quickly and others take there time. By adding 6 under 23 teams it will allow talent to be polished and hopefully not leave cricket.

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    Afridi's views on the new system


    "Any system needs time to function. You can't change the system every year. Let the results come, this system should be supported. I am in favour of 6 teams, when you reduce quantity then quality increases. Competition will increase and players will get good money and financial support. I am hopeful good talent will come out of this"


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    6-8 teams is perfect for Pakistan. Compression will filter out garbage and create a high performance environment. Need other things to supplement it to i.e. quality of coaches, quality of trainer, dieticians, cooks, quality of balls, pitches and umpires, match referrees, scheduling e.t.c.

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    PCB awards two-month contracts to regional curators and groundsmen

    The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) today announced it would offer two-month contracts to the 243 curators and groundsmen, who were employed by the 16 Regional Cricket Associations (RCAs), which have now been replaced by six cricket associations under the new PCB Constitution 2019.

    The new contracts will commence from the notification of the new PCB Constitution.

    During this period, the PCB Domestic Cricket Department will evaluate the venue requirements and assess high-performing curators before deciding next steps.

    In addition to this, the PCB has taken steps to urgently transfer any outstanding payments of the ground staff that may have accrued till 19 August.

    To ease the transition, the PCB is offering curators and groundsmen two-month contracts. In the meantime, we will evaluate which and how many grounds require further support.

    Groundsmen are encouraged to approach the PCB to seek further details.


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