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    Quality pitches to be provided for domestic season 2019/20

    Refresher courses for curators arranged across the country ahead of the domestic season
    Soil experts and agronomists to help PCB improve pitches and grounds

    Karachi, 11 September 2019: The PCB has implemented robust plans to ensure top-class and quality pitches are produced for the upcoming domestic season. The 2019-20 domestic season gets underway with the four day first-class Quaid-e-Azam Trophy from 14 September, the season will end on 24 April 2020.

    The main three events of the season include, the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy, National T20 and Pakistan Cup tournaments, while, Quaid-e-Azam Trophy is the first-class competition, National T20 is a Twenty20 event and Pakistan Cup is a 50-over tournament.

    The PCB started preparations of pitches for the season in summer 2019.

    Chief Curator Agha Zahid said: “Since hot weather remains prevalent in the country for 10 months we prepare grounds with grass that can sustain the hot weather. The ideal time for relaying the pitches is between mid-April to end of May each year. The 2019-20 domestic season is to be played on home and away basis and keeping that in mind we arranged refresher courses for curators at various venues across the country.

    “The curators were reminded of their daily tasks, while, they were also prepared for any unforeseen challenges that may appear due to weather changes. Curators working for Central Punjab, Southern Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, Northern and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Associations were included in the refresher courses.

    “We have told curators and groundsmen across the country that there should be no compromise on pitches and grounds for the upcoming season, teams and players should get every opportunity of showcasing their skills and we should see quality and competitive cricket with no favours given to any team.”

    The PCB is planning on improving the workings of the curation department, in the days ahead, soil experts and agronomists will be hired to work for the department. The aim is to make the department more professional and fully equipped with modern practices that are prevalent around the world.

    Highly educated professionals with relevant experience will be inducted in the department, especially, in the major cricket centres across the country.

    Grounds and pitches preparation:

    Each year, the preparation of the square begins on 15 April, the groundsmen and curators work tirelessly without any breaks, while, dealing with the vagaries of the weather. The monsoon season can provide big challenges but adequate steps are taken to combat the situation.

    For the upcoming season, the Gaddafi Stadium outfield measuring 300,000 square feet has been fully prepared. The Bugti Stadium in Quetta has also been upgraded and should be ready for the opening clash at the venue between Balochistan and Southern Punjab, to be played from 21 September.

    The National Stadium Karachi and Gaddafi Stadium outfields were fully re-laid two years ago, while, the Multan Stadium outfield has been re-laid this year.

    Besides the groundsmen, heavy machinery has been used for the preparation of the outfields and pitches at each venue. The pitches have been prepared using the soil from Nandipur while Dhaka grass has been used to produce the outfields.

    The PCB is equipped with modern machinery like the Super Sopper and wicket mowers besides covers and other machinery to deal with heavy rainfall and other weather situations.


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    MenIng please can you you find out about streaming. I see everything is going well now..we have three matches per round with the quality increasing surely. Only thing left is youtube streaming not TV coverage but like counties have two cameras on each side of pitch. The selectors and people can easily watch someone and see how they are doing. Saying that India have dedicated HD channels showing all these matches but that might be a step too far Wasim Khan i think.

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    Another great and needed step.

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    I'll believe it when I see it.

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    This is the most important change if its implemented properly. If they make the wickets to suit both bowlers and batsman that will really help. If they cant get the balance right than its better to make it flat than just bowlers friendly.

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    december and january are probably the worst months for longer format cricket in pakistan , you will be lucky to get more than 65 overs a day. They should have pushed the second part of the season to march april. You wont get quality pitches and cricket in the damp environment and short days.


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    These things shouldn't be first priority.
    First priority should be honest selectors. What the point of quality pitches if at the end players like Azhar Ali, Shafiq, Rahat, Asif, Fahim, Shehzad, Khurram, Anwar Ali...... type of players get selected over better players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    These things shouldn't be first priority.
    First priority should be honest selectors. What the point of quality pitches if at the end players like Azhar Ali, Shafiq, Rahat, Asif, Fahim, Shehzad, Khurram, Anwar Ali...... type of players get selected over better players?
    and who are the better players???? Can you please elaborate?

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    Azhar Ali, Shafiq, Rahat, Asif, Fahim, Shehzad, hafeez, malik, Khurram, Anwar Ali..... are good and promising players for 2023, 2027 World Cup? Why can't we give young players opportunity like SL team and we all have seen enough what those players capable of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.awais View Post
    and who are the better players???? Can you please elaborate?
    Everyone is an expert when it comes to slating our current crop, but no one has ever suggested suitable replacements. Lets get the correct environment first, i.e. pitches etc then we can develop the right standard of players in the right setup. One step at a time. Another good move by the PCB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    Azhar Ali, Shafiq, Rahat, Asif, Fahim, Shehzad, hafeez, malik, Khurram, Anwar Ali..... are good and promising players for 2023, 2027 World Cup? Why can't we give young players opportunity like SL team and we all have seen enough what those players capable of.
    Which young players, you can't throw players in for the sake of it, you need to build up from the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    Azhar Ali, Shafiq, Rahat, Asif, Fahim, Shehzad, hafeez, malik, Khurram, Anwar Ali..... are good and promising players for 2023, 2027 World Cup? Why can't we give young players opportunity like SL team and we all have seen enough what those players capable of.
    You mean to say that these players shouldn't even be selected for domestic tournaments???

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller187 View Post
    Which young players, you can't throw players in for the sake of it, you need to build up from the bottom.
    If SL can why can't we? Why we need Hafeez, Shehzad, Kamran, Azhar again and again? You want them to be selected for 2023 World cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.awais View Post
    You mean to say that these players shouldn't even be selected for domestic tournaments???
    Domestic yes but not International. Hafeez, Azhar, Shehzad, Kamran.. will not be good enough for for 2023 World Cup.

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    Can't believe even after failure of 2019 World Cup, 2018 Asia cricket people still advocating experience proven failure like Hafeez, Azhar, Kamran, Shehzad, Yasir... instead of given opportunity to youngster (Saud, Haris R, Rohail, Haris khan, Khusdil, Umer Khan....)fear that they may fail. How can we expect better result with same players but with time they will become more older, more vulnerable and reduce of skill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    Can't believe even after failure of 2019 World Cup, 2018 Asia cricket people still advocating experience proven failure like Hafeez, Azhar, Kamran, Shehzad, Yasir... instead of given opportunity to youngster (Saud, Haris R, Rohail, Haris khan, Khusdil, Umer Khan....)fear that they may fail. How can we expect better result with same players but with time they will become more older, more vulnerable and reduce of skill?
    The whole point w/ better pitches is that you'll see more competitive games that will allow talent to shine through. This plus the more competitive domestic structure will mean that the oldies who you're slating will face strong attacks in each game. If the youngsters you mention are better than the oldies, they will outperform them and make it difficult for selectors to ignore them. The current issue is that we don't have a clear way to compare the oldies with the youngsters. The new domestic structure, higher quality of pitches will allow for the cream to rise to the top.

    You can have the most honest selectors in the world, but you need to have solid criteria on which to pick youngsters. The old Pakistani method of "He's young and has talent, so let's throw him in" is unpredictable and outdated.

    There is a saying "Iron sharpens iron"
    The new systems will groom these kids for international cricket InshAllah, as they face quality attacks and work harder for their wickets. Having quality pitches is a part of this process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    december and january are probably the worst months for longer format cricket in pakistan , you will be lucky to get more than 65 overs a day. They should have pushed the second part of the season to march april. You wont get quality pitches and cricket in the damp environment and short days.
    That means rescheduling the precious Journeymen Super League (PSL) but we can't have that can we.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfPakBreakfast View Post
    The whole point w/ better pitches is that you'll see more competitive games that will allow talent to shine through. This plus the more competitive domestic structure will mean that the oldies who you're slating will face strong attacks in each game. If the youngsters you mention are better than the oldies, they will outperform them and make it difficult for selectors to ignore them. The current issue is that we don't have a clear way to compare the oldies with the youngsters. The new domestic structure, higher quality of pitches will allow for the cream to rise to the top.

    You can have the most honest selectors in the world, but you need to have solid criteria on which to pick youngsters. The old Pakistani method of "He's young and has talent, so let's throw him in" is unpredictable and outdated.

    There is a saying "Iron sharpens iron"
    The new systems will groom these kids for international cricket InshAllah, as they face quality attacks and work harder for their wickets. Having quality pitches is a part of this process.
    You're wasting your fingers - these posters repeat the same script over again no matter the subject.

    Some fans are so short sighted they don't even see importance of fixing the structural issues like our domestic system and pitches.

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    Very good and initiative - long, long awaited. I have been discussing this topic from may be early 2011!!! Making quality wicket is a science and proper education, technical knowledge is required for that.

    Only thing for which I am a bit circumspective is that this guy Aga Zahid is still in charge - I thought he should have been one of the first to get the boot. It’s understandable that PAK curators won’t be able to match Oval or Adelaide or Cape Town tracks, but for the last few years, under Aga Zahid, it was beyond acceptable. Need to replace the head first and appoint a proper pro curator.

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    Well proof will be in the results , I expect too see flat decks with a little bit in it for the bowler. Then spinning from day 3.

    I hope we can nurture some batting talent,

    Only world class player in any format Pakistan have produced in last decade is Babar Azam

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    All those who want Pakistan cricket to improve, this is the main thing that needs changing.

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    Good pitches,good coaches and good facilities will make a difference.All six teams should have bowling machines too.

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    Didn't Wasim Khan also say at one point he wants different types of pitches at each ground?

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    Good to see the Quetta stadium being properly used.

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    Less green pitches need to be produced.

    So less medium pacers can thrive and actual bowling talent can emerge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    You're wasting your fingers - these posters repeat the same script over again no matter the subject.

    Some fans are so short sighted they don't even see importance of fixing the structural issues like our domestic system and pitches.
    You are missing the point. The point is not to take same old failure again and again otherwise in 2023 World Cup same players will be playing. Time to invest on new players now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    You are missing the point. The point is not to take same old failure again and again otherwise in 2023 World Cup same players will be playing. Time to invest on new players now.
    This thread is not about the 2023 world cup, we are talking about bettering our structure in domestic cricket first as a stepping stone. if you have a league full of youngsters with no real experience outside of Pakistan, we will fail. We need to keep senior players around, they will provide experience and mentor ship for youngsters. Coupled with more testing pitches, will mean our seniors and youngsters will get to face more challenging conditions and as such all will improve as players. How you do not think this is a priority is beyond me. You cannot change things overnight, this is a slow process that will take a few years. Changing selectors is all well and good but if you have a limited pool of players with proper experience then of course the same players will keep getting picked regardless of who is in charge. Once we have better pitches and a better first class structure it will have a positive impact on the players coming through and as such the pool of players will expand automatically, this is basic stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    Domestic yes but not International. Hafeez, Azhar, Shehzad, Kamran.. will not be good enough for for 2023 World Cup.
    I don't think anyone in this thread has called for any of these players to be considered for the 2023 world cup, just because they are not good enough to play for pakistan doesn't mean they can't contribute in other ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    Can't believe even after failure of 2019 World Cup, 2018 Asia cricket people still advocating experience proven failure like Hafeez, Azhar, Kamran, Shehzad, Yasir... instead of given opportunity to youngster (Saud, Haris R, Rohail, Haris khan, Khusdil, Umer Khan....)fear that they may fail. How can we expect better result with same players but with time they will become more older, more vulnerable and reduce of skill?
    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    You are missing the point. The point is not to take same old failure again and again otherwise in 2023 World Cup same players will be playing. Time to invest on new players now.
    Ok... just so that it's clear and simple to understand - Everything works together I.e. honest selectors, sound domestic structure and good pitches. One is not necessarily more important than the other. To promote young players, you need to examine them in testing circumstances, on good pitches. Once they prove themselves, it's easier for selectors to pick them over the failures

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    Can't believe even after failure of 2019 World Cup, 2018 Asia cricket people still advocating experience proven failure like Hafeez, Azhar, Kamran, Shehzad, Yasir... instead of given opportunity to youngster (Saud, Haris R, Rohail, Haris khan, Khusdil, Umer Khan....)fear that they may fail. How can we expect better result with same players but with time they will become more older, more vulnerable and reduce of skill?
    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    You are missing the point. The point is not to take same old failure again and again otherwise in 2023 World Cup same players will be playing. Time to invest on new players now.
    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller187 View Post
    I don't think anyone in this thread has called for any of these players to be considered for the 2023 world cup, just because they are not good enough to play for pakistan doesn't mean they can't contribute in other ways.
    Fully agree mate. I think change for change's sake achieves nothing. We need to build a criteria on which to bring players through. However, people on here think that playing the U19s will solve all of Pakistan's short and long term cricketing issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller187 View Post
    This thread is not about the 2023 world cup, we are talking about bettering our structure in domestic cricket first as a stepping stone. if you have a league full of youngsters with no real experience outside of Pakistan, we will fail. We need to keep senior players around, they will provide experience and mentor ship for youngsters. Coupled with more testing pitches, will mean our seniors and youngsters will get to face more challenging conditions and as such all will improve as players. How you do not think this is a priority is beyond me. You cannot change things overnight, this is a slow process that will take a few years. Changing selectors is all well and good but if you have a limited pool of players with proper experience then of course the same players will keep getting picked regardless of who is in charge. Once we have better pitches and a better first class structure it will have a positive impact on the players coming through and as such the pool of players will expand automatically, this is basic stuff!
    I am fully agree with that. However some fans still think Azhar should come out of retirement and lead our ODI team

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    Would love to see, good fast wickets with carry and consistent bounce. Also just enough help from good length to allow an even contest between bat and ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    december and january are probably the worst months for longer format cricket in pakistan , you will be lucky to get more than 65 overs a day. They should have pushed the second part of the season to march april. You wont get quality pitches and cricket in the damp environment and short days.
    The first class end on 5th December

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    Lots of talk ahead of this season, let's hope they can walk the walk too.

    A lot of people are hoping they fail, I hope PCB proves them wrong.



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    I've never been this excited for the domestic matches before. Kudos to PCB for atleast making an effort to change the structure. They will obviously make mistakes but for me they are going at the right direction. Everyone should support them. Let's hope after few years of this new domestic structure we will produce quality players. Fingers crossed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I've never been this excited for the domestic matches before. Kudos to PCB for atleast making an effort to change the structure. They will obviously make mistakes but for me they are going at the right direction. Everyone should support them. Let's hope after few years of this new domestic structure we will produce quality players. Fingers crossed!
    Me too, first time in a long time, or perhaps first time ever I can't wait QEA trophy to start and will be following the scores keenly. Every run scored and every wicket taken will be valued. Six strong team competing .

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Me too, first time in a long time, or perhaps first time ever I can't wait QEA trophy to start and will be following the scores keenly. Every run scored and every wicket taken will be valued. Six strong team competing .
    Me also
    Many members here on pp are very excited about this season QeA

    Hope they make international standard pitches

    Pitches like india will be a good move because our weather is not much different from Indian weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omer2002 View Post
    MenIng please can you you find out about streaming. I see everything is going well now..we have three matches per round with the quality increasing surely. Only thing left is youtube streaming not TV coverage but like counties have two cameras on each side of pitch. The selectors and people can easily watch someone and see how they are doing. Saying that India have dedicated HD channels showing all these matches but that might be a step too far Wasim Khan i think.
    You got your wish. Pcb will live stream matches. I saw this news on pcb official. Twitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naim View Post
    You got your wish. Pcb will live stream matches. I saw this news on pcb official. Twitter.
    1 out of the 3 matches being played at the same time will be streamed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    1 out of the 3 matches being played at the same time will be streamed.
    Do you have the schedule (Which one will be telecast)? CI tells, game starting on 1:00 AM, EST, Saturday night - might watch few hours. It's a historic moment. The Punjab battle at GS, should be a cracker.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Do you have the schedule (Which one will be telecast)? CI tells, game starting on 1:00 AM, EST, Saturday night - might watch few hours. It's a historic moment. The Punjab battle at GS, should be a cracker.
    Last edited by Abdullah719; 14th September 2019 at 00:25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak36 View Post
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    1 out of the 3 matches being played at the same time will be streamed.
    That's poor. 1 match of each round should have been properly televised, and the other two should have been live-streamed online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    That's poor. 1 match of each round should have been properly televised, and the other two should have been live-streamed online.
    That is the ideal scenario but I guess there simply wasn't enough time to solve all the logistical issues.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    That is the ideal scenario but I guess there simply wasn't enough time to solve all the logistical issues.
    I mean is live streaming even that hard? Just stick 2 guys with a camera at each end, don't even need commentary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    I mean is live streaming even that hard? Just stick 2 guys with a camera at each end, don't even need commentary.
    Exactly... Sign Up with crichq and they even provide the template including stats and everything. If a small league in Canada can do it, then PCB can do way better than us

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    I mean is live streaming even that hard? Just stick 2 guys with a camera at each end, don't even need commentary.
    They will be using six cameras

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    That is the ideal scenario but I guess there simply wasn't enough time to solve all the logistical issues.
    Really hope 2nd XI cricket isn't sidelined. It's just as, if not more, important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak36 View Post
    They will be using six cameras
    You only need minimum two for YouTube live streaming. Heck, even put live streaming on PCB website and get income through online advertisement

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak36 View Post
    They will be using six cameras
    That's overkill. I'd rather have them only use 2 at each game but live stream them all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by trickyone View Post
    Exactly... Sign Up with crichq and they even provide the template including stats and everything. If a small league in Canada can do it, then PCB can do way better than us
    Canada is a better developed country. That factors in the ability to do so.

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    From low quality pitches where every trundler was running through the batting, we are now seeing dead UAE like wickets in the opening round of QeA trophy. No wonder, everyone is scoring bid hundreds, a perfect opportunity for FTTs to keep youngster warming the benches.

    True wickets with some support for bowlers too is the answer, not the "roads".

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    From low quality pitches where every trundler was running through the batting, we are now seeing dead UAE like wickets in the opening round of QeA trophy. No wonder, everyone is scoring bid hundreds, a perfect opportunity for FTTs to keep youngster warming the benches.

    True wickets with some support for bowlers too is the answer, not the "roads".
    I disagree. Vast majority of international pitches have nothing for the bowlers. Bowlers need to toughen up and start bending their backs. Spinners need to start bowling a lot more overs. Batsmen need to play long innings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    I disagree. Vast majority of international pitches have nothing for the bowlers. Bowlers need to toughen up and start bending their backs. Spinners need to start bowling a lot more overs. Batsmen need to play long innings
    Misbah thinks the same way, for him "international pitches" are UAE pitches, nothing for bowler except for the "chuckers" .

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    After 2 days of the QeA Trophy:

    1638 runs
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    Average runs per wicket - 65.52.

    Looks like it's not going to be an easy ride for bowlers this season, as it has been for large parts of the last few First-class seasons.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    After 2 days of the QeA Trophy:

    1638 runs
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    Average runs per wicket - 65.52.

    Looks like it's not going to be an easy ride for bowlers this season, as it has been for large parts of the last few First-class seasons.
    I have heard this is how we have produced good bowlers in past, so if true, I support this as the bowlers will have to improve their skills in order to get scapls. And the batsman can play some proper shots.

    Ideally you would want a balance between bat and ball but tough to make those pitches.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IAJ View Post
    I have heard this is how we have produced good bowlers in past, so if true, I support this as the bowlers will have to improve their skills in order to get scapls. And the batsman can play some proper shots.

    Ideally you would want a balance between bat and ball but tough to make those pitches.
    Yes seems that there won't be too many freebies for the bowlers this time around.

    Gone are the days of medium pacers swinging the ball around corners.



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    its partly the pitches, and partly seam bowlers who dont have the pace nor the temperament to bowl on these pitches.

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    Hopefully the teams quickly realise they need an express pacer in thier teams. That’t the only way they will get wickets in the middle overs in these dead wickets.

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    The bowlers will have to learn reverse swing to get wickets on these pitches.Those with good pace 140+ will have a better chance on these wickets.The trundles will concede a lot of runs.Teams are scoring big because medium pacers are no threat to batsmen.

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    You don;t produce good batsmen on dead wickets, and we need batsmen more than fast bowlers. The same batsmen scoring centuries will fail on foreign soil.

    We don't need dead wicket, we need true wickets to support bowlers and batsmen equally.
    Ideally, wickets should help fast bowlers at least for first 1-2 session, then batting and after tea on 3rd day and onward, more helpful for spinners and reverse swing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    You don;t produce good batsmen on dead wickets, and we need batsmen more than fast bowlers. The same batsmen scoring centuries will fail on foreign soil.

    We don't need dead wicket, we need true wickets to support bowlers and batsmen equally.
    Ideally, wickets should help fast bowlers at least for first 1-2 session, then batting and after tea on 3rd day and onward, more helpful for spinners and reverse swing.
    The last few seasons, wickets have been bowler friendly. But we still don’t have batsmen who can play well at international level.
    Guys like Abid Ali, Sami Aslam deserve more chances though


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    A balance needs to be struck. What we have now is better than before, but still not perfect. You need a good mix of conditions, batsmen need conditions flat enough to be able to play a long innings and spend time at the crease, but bowlers also need enough assistance from the pitch to be able to test the batsmen for more than just the first 20 overs of the innings.

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    Agree.Previously trundles were getting a lot of wickets because they got assistance from the pitch.The mediocre bowlers looked really good.The new piches should have something for the batsmen and bowlers.This will help our batsmen and bowlers

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAJ View Post
    The last few seasons, wickets have been bowler friendly. But we still don’t have batsmen who can play well at international level.
    Guys like Abid Ali, Sami Aslam deserve more chances though
    There is difference between bowler friendly and low quality pitches. Previously Pakistan Fc matches were played at low quality pitches with uneven bounce. A good bowler friendly wickets has even bounce like we face in NZland, Australia, SA and England.

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    Pitches need pace and bounce that will be good enough. We had too many low pace seamers thriving for last 10 years.

    Obviously PCB will need to assess the first round pitches then take corrective measures if it needs any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    There is difference between bowler friendly and low quality pitches. Previously Pakistan Fc matches were played at low quality pitches with uneven bounce. A good bowler friendly wickets has even bounce like we face in NZland, Australia, SA and England.
    Well, lower quality have certainly favoured the bowlers so they will not mind it.

    Anyways getting quality pitches where there is balance between bat and ball will not be easy to create or there is some other reason for that, otherwise we not have been sitting here discussing the lack of them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    You don;t produce good batsmen on dead wickets, and we need batsmen more than fast bowlers. The same batsmen scoring centuries will fail on foreign soil.

    We don't need dead wicket, we need true wickets to support bowlers and batsmen equally.
    Ideally, wickets should help fast bowlers at least for first 1-2 session, then batting and after tea on 3rd day and onward, more helpful for spinners and reverse swing.
    I agree to a certain extent. However most of pakistans world class players batsmen and bowlers played on flat roads their whole life. Younis khan, misbah, inzamam, mohammad Yousaf, wasim akram, shoaib akhter, waqar etc...

    Indian domestic also has flat roads where batsmen put on piles of runs, yet they have better batsmen, fast bowlers (bumrah, shami), and spinners than Pakistan.

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    In previous setup status quo was maintained.There were no clear objectives for the teams.This time players,pitches and umpires will be under scrutiny.Every body is talking about pitches and scores even though the first matches are still going on.Reducing the number of teams to six has made it easy to focus on the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackanhyellow View Post
    I agree to a certain extent. However most of pakistans world class players batsmen and bowlers played on flat roads their whole life. Younis khan, misbah, inzamam, mohammad Yousaf, wasim akram, shoaib akhter, waqar etc...

    Indian domestic also has flat roads where batsmen put on piles of runs, yet they have better batsmen, fast bowlers (bumrah, shami), and spinners than Pakistan.
    No wonder all these batsmen, Younis, Inzi, Misbah in particular and Yousuf ( with exception of one English tour ) were big failure outside subcontinent.

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    Doesn't scream quality pitch when a team bowls 10 bowlers in an innings...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Doesn't scream quality pitch when a team bowls 10 bowlers in an innings...

    Rather have this then having 50 year old saad altaf taking 16 wickets in a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Doesn't scream quality pitch when a team bowls 10 bowlers in an innings...

    It also reveals that your front line bowlers aren't fit enough to bear the burden of bowling long spells on flat pitches. Fitness of pacers is more of a concern to me than the flatness of pitches.


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    Outstanding from PCB
    No one Pakistani domestic team will loss any match, most batsman will score hundred for fun at every form of cricket

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    Rather have this then having 50 year old saad altaf taking 16 wickets in a game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarfarazian92 View Post
    It also reveals that your front line bowlers aren't fit enough to bear the burden of bowling long spells on flat pitches. Fitness of pacers is more of a concern to me than the flatness of pitches.
    Good points.

    Still, if every game is a draw it'll be a dull season. Hopefully the situation will be better as the season progresses.


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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Misbah thinks the same way, for him "international pitches" are UAE pitches, nothing for bowler except for the "chuckers" .
    I remember after the humiliating tour to Australia, Misbah blamed the domestic pitches to steer the attention away from his incompetence.

    His test record and brief phase of reaching no.1 is extremely overrated on PP. In fact I'd go as far as saying it was the worst team to have reach the top of the test rankings in the history of professional cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    I remember after the humiliating tour to Australia, Misbah blamed the domestic pitches to steer the attention away from his incompetence.

    His test record and brief phase of reaching no.1 is extremely overrated on PP. In fact I'd go as far as saying it was the worst team to have reach the top of the test rankings in the history of professional cricket.
    Misbah did well at home. He failed against SA and AUS but he did do decent in England and NZ.
    We drew 2-2 to England and in 2 series vs NZ - we won 1-0 in 2011 and in 2016, we lost the first test under Misbah (2nd test, Azhar was captain)

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    Why do the games only last 3 days? You'll never get a result this way.

    Pitches should get better once its colder in Pakistan. Oct-nov usually have the best wickets with something in it for the pacers.


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    Onky the 2nd x1 games are three days , first 11 are 4 days.
    I think second 11 should be 4 days too

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    It should get better as the season progresses.


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