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    Mohammad Amir versus Irfan Pathan - A comparison

    Both these talented left arm seamers made a big splash when they burst into the scene. Both of them had decent pace and movement and could bamboozle high class batsmen. There was the inevitable comparison with Wasim Akram. There were high hopes from both and both became the toast of their respective nations. Who can forget Amir's England tour or Pathan's hat-trick in Pakistan.

    But then over the years things changed. Amir had the misfortune of a 5 year ban in between. Their pace slacked off, the swing was not so much except in certain conditions or certain inspired spells. The reason I wanted to compare both was because how similar their career seems to me

    Both have their best stats in T20s. Both average around 30 in tests and ODIs. Both could bat a bit when needed. They played very less tests despite impressing everyone in tests when they came. These are their stats

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    Tests - 29 matches , 102 wickets at 32
    ODIs - 120 match, 173 wickets at 29
    T20s - 24 matches, 28 wickets at 22

    Amir

    Tests - 36 matches, 119 wickets at 31
    ODIs - 59 matches, 77 wickets at 30
    T20s - 42 matches, 55 wickets at 19

    Of course Amir is still playing LOIs but I don't see him doing much better than Pathan by the time his career gets over

    Both did shine here and there later and had really fine moments like when Amir defended the CT final 2017 against India, while Irfan defended the T20 2007 final against Pakistan and was the Man of the match. But we can agree both of them were super hyped up when they came but did not achieve their full potential (and Amir seems unlikely to). What went wrong? Was the initial hype wrong or did something happen where two bowlers with such potential went wrong in between? Was it lack of hard work and adaptation? Laziness? Or they were not that good in the first place? Would better coaching and guidance have turned these bowlers into legends?


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    I think Amir wins this one. There is an x-factor about Amir that Pathan didn't have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    I think Amir wins this one. There is an x-factor about Amir that Pathan didn't have.
    People might be too young to remember, but when Irfan came onto the scenes, a lot of experts spoke about how special he was and how he was going to dominate batsmen for a long time


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    I like this comparison.
    I followed irfan and amir, through their very first match. But irfan wins this match up Though its very tight. Irfan also was better batsman than him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunny_majoka View Post
    I like this comparison.
    I followed irfan and amir, through their very first match. But irfan wins this match up Though its very tight. Irfan also was better batsman than him.
    Thanks. You wouldn't believe how excited us Indians were when Irfan burst onto the scenes and bowled like he did. He had decent pace too


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    The end result of Irfan made me not to expect anything from Ishant or even Bumrah..keeping my expectations in check.

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    Amir can definitely go onto become a white ball legend like Malinga, McCullum and Afridi.

    Let's be real, Amir was a better Test bowler, and his skills are much better than Pathan in the shorter formats.

    Tell me, who has a better yorker, slower ball, better reverse swing?

    Pathan was a bits and pieces player for the latter half of his career. Better comparison is Azhar Mahmood.

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    Are you comparing careers or potential?


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    Looks like Amir and Pathan had similar careers so far.

    Amir has the chance to improve his stats. But so far, Amir has been a very average bowler with some brilliant performances here and there.

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    Amir had more to offer as a bowler even without swing when he started his career as he used to bowl deliveries around 150 kph and had the natural skills to deceive the batsmen. However, after that 5 years gap his pace didnt sustain but he still had accuracy, ability to read the batsmen and became pretty lethal on days when he got the swing.

    Pathan was phenomenal when he got that bowl moving around but other than swing he didnt have much to rely upon and once he lost that due to one reason or another, there wasnt much impact left in him.

    Amir still has quite a few years left him in LOIs and can definitely try to improve his stats.

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    They were similar bowlers.

    Irfan is and was a better batsman and human being.

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    Five year gap finished off Amir the potential ATG.
    Now quite frankly he is just a steady bowler who has moments of inspiration where he overperforms.

    Irfan was one trick pony who used the one trick really really well for about 3 yrs then lost it and sank into oblivion.

    Overall,
    Amir stripped of his powers = steady avg intl. bowler
    Irfan stripped of his powers = steady domestic bowler

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    Good comparison

    I will give it to Amir because he always seemed to bend his back and come hard at the batsmen.

    Irfan on the other hand never seemed to try working harder on his pace which hindered his growth and aura as a fast bowler.

    Having said that Irfan must be one of the most natural inswing bowler I have ever seen. I think he also has the most good looking hat trick of all time. The way he got Yousuf out with the third ball, it seemed pure wizardry going by Yousuf's expression. He could do so much with the new ball and with the older reverse swinging ball. If only he worked on pace and actually tried bowling like a fast bowler.


    For Amir also it's a shame he ends up with same statistics as Irfan. It means he made no use of his all round bowling ability. A total waste of a bowling talent

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    Pathan lost his swing, many so called experts attribute the decline of Pathan to Greg chappel era where in Pathan was trained tbe trained into an all rounder.

    After that was only down hill from there.

    Both Amir and Pathan had their fair share of good moments, but both massively underachieved.

    I will give this one to Amir. He keeps economy under check in LOI's even though he can't get many wickets.

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    Amir actually averages 30 and.Pathan 32 so there is some misleading by the OP.

    Amir was never going to recover from the 5 yr gap as an 18 yr old he missed out the.most important years of skill development, you need a hunger and focus like Steve Smith to keep your skills level high after a long break just look at Warner and he was out for just one year and still allowed to play domestic cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    Amir actually averages 30 and.Pathan 32 so there is some misleading by the OP.

    Amir was never going to recover from the 5 yr gap as an 18 yr old he missed out the.most important years of skill development, you need a hunger and focus like Steve Smith to keep your skills level high after a long break just look at Warner and he was out for just one year and still allowed to play domestic cricket.
    Think the 5 year gap is being overblown here, maybe the 5 year gap actually helped him avoid severe injury. Truth is Amir was always a conditions dependent bowler, he looks ordinary on flat wickets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Think the 5 year gap is being overblown here, maybe the 5 year gap actually helped him avoid severe injury. Truth is Amir was always a conditions dependent bowler, he looks ordinary on flat wickets
    A 17 yr old Amir bowed for 2 hours in severe heat at 150 plus at MCG to pick a fifer it was that spell that convinced me of his ATG potential not any of the stuff he did in UK 6 months later.Amir after his return never replicated that spell though time to time he did have success In conditions that favored him like summer of 2010.
    Amir pre ban was destined for greatness and that ban derailed him from his path.

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    Irfan wins this one. The guy showed immense potential in being the Indian Wasim Akram. He was a hype bowler. A unfortunate miss to international cricket.

    Amir on the other hand went from to the age of 17 to 67 due to missing five years of cricket. He is well past his prime now. No longer will he ever repeat the same performance. In his youth years he could have been a better bowler than Wasim Akram. I guess it was not ment to be.

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    Irfan wins this easily.
    He was as good a bowler as amir and then he was a good lower order bat too.

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    Amir was a level above Pathan when he deservedly lost five years of his career.

    He returned to bowl one of the ATG spells of ODI cricket, while I don't remember any such feat by Pathan?

    The only similarity between the two is that both were hyped to the moon, and delivered average results. Amir has had more impact though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Amir was a level above Pathan when he deservedly lost five years of his career.

    He returned to bowl one of the ATG spells of ODI cricket, while I don't remember any such feat by Pathan?

    The only similarity between the two is that both were hyped to the moon, and delivered average results. Amir has had more impact though.
    Pathan was mom in t20 2007 final. also won India a test in Perth. was good in 04 pal series win so had moments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geraltofrivia View Post
    Pathan was mom in t20 2007 final. also won India a test in Perth. was good in 04 pal series win so had moments.
    Clearly Amir had more impact.

    This is a no contest. Even after losing five years of competitive cricket, Amir was able to return and produce one of the ATG spells of ODI cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Clearly Amir had more impact.

    This is a no contest. Even after losing five years of competitive cricket, Amir was able to return and produce one of the ATG spells of ODI cricket.
    What ATG spell are you talking about? If you are talking of CT final, after 340 is put on the board in a major final, not a single country has ever chased that score. Any bowler could have bowled well after such a score. Pathan had lots of such ATG spells like the previous poster mentioned


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    Being humble, Amir is exactly 1 million times better... the most important thing to know is that Amir's stats don't define the bowler he is. There's a reason he has been mentioned numerous times by top batsman that he is the hardest bowler to face. Swing/Seam at 120kph is a lot different to swing at 145+ kph. Not to mention the accuracy and intelligence of bowling under immense pressure which he has been exposed to since he was 18 (world t20 2009). I like looking at it like this, if you had both Amir and pathan bowling in the final of the world cup (both at their absolute primes) and had 10 runs to defend who would you pick?......I think you have your answer.

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    have to go with Aamir .. the guy was just poetic when he came on the same.. just a different level ... just amazing.. no words... pathan was good but Aamir was just next level.. its sad to see both of them being where they are now ... Aamir has some chance to become good in LOI but tht z tht ...

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    When irfan no man wins two world trophies and runs through a ATG top order let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidbhai View Post
    Being humble, Amir is exactly 1 million times better... the most important thing to know is that Amir's stats don't define the bowler he is. There's a reason he has been mentioned numerous times by top batsman that he is the hardest bowler to face. Swing/Seam at 120kph is a lot different to swing at 145+ kph. Not to mention the accuracy and intelligence of bowling under immense pressure which he has been exposed to since he was 18 (world t20 2009). I like looking at it like this, if you had both Amir and pathan bowling in the final of the world cup (both at their absolute primes) and had 10 runs to defend who would you pick?......I think you have your answer.
    All these praise was also made for Pathan bu various batsmen when pathan was in his prime

    Btw pathan was also 140+ in his initial part, he lost pace like Amir.

    Pathan was also very young and under pressure.

    Pathan was an amazing loi bowler who was economical and bowled defending runs in 2007 world t20 which we won


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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    All these praise was also made for Pathan bu various batsmen when pathan was in his prime

    Btw pathan was also 140+ in his initial part, he lost pace like Amir.

    Pathan was also very young and under pressure.

    Pathan was an amazing loi bowler who was economical and bowled defending runs in 2007 world t20 which we won
    Look kid, I see you using the fanciest words you know for your age in this thread for Pathan consistently, but can we actually have some impactful performances from Pathan? That'll make your case bettet rathan this drivel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    All these praise was also made for Pathan bu various batsmen when pathan was in his prime

    Btw pathan was also 140+ in his initial part, he lost pace like Amir.

    Pathan was also very young and under pressure.

    Pathan was an amazing loi bowler who was economical and bowled defending runs in 2007 world t20 which we won

    If you had both Amir and pathan bowling in the final of the world cup (both at their absolute primes) and had 10 runs to defend who would you pick?......I think you have your answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Look kid, I see you using the fanciest words you know for your age in this thread for Pathan consistently, but can we actually have some impactful performances from Pathan? That'll make your case bettet rathan this drivel
    People have given examples. He has won us a test in Perth which no Pak team in history has. He won us a t20 world cup


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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidbhai View Post
    If you had both Amir and pathan bowling in the final of the world cup (both at their absolute primes) and had 10 runs to defend who would you pick?......I think you have your answer.
    Weird criteria as many awesome bowlers would be excluded using this

    I would still take pathan, I remember how good a death bowle he was before retiring, bowling Yorkers and slower balls at will. I have seen amir concede over 14 per over in defending in t20 world cup semis, Asia cup final against Eaina, etc.


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    Pathan was playing in an era where the shelf life of most of the Indian bowlers was 3-4 years max. Pathan had speed and swing when he made his debut. I still remember his dismissal of Gilchrist in 2003/04 tour of Australia. His performance declined after Greg Chappell became Indian team's coach. He was focussing more on his batting and even opened the batting for India in a test match. He never recovered after that. He is a mentor/coach of JK team.

    Amir is still playing. So this comparison doesn't make any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Weird criteria as many awesome bowlers would be excluded using this

    I would still take pathan, I remember how good a death bowle he was before retiring, bowling Yorkers and slower balls at will. I have seen amir concede over 14 per over in defending in t20 world cup semis, Asia cup final against Eaina, etc.

    Ill make this easier....If you would still take Pathan means you came into this discussion with a bias, defeats the purpose of asking the question of who is better, if you are going to continuously suggest Pathan is a better bowler, Pathan has less pace, less swing, less seam, less accuracy, not applicable for reverse swing. Amir is hand picked by Wasim Akram the greatest bowler in the world, Pathan had to be trained by Wasim to be even be half way decent. Amir is a different level which is why he was able to even make a comeback as a fast bowler into Pakistan's side after a 5 year gap in his absolute prime. He was Pakistan's spear head bowler in this year's world cup even without his trademark swing, which shows his intelligence and ability to adapt, another skill that Pathan lacked. Amir was world class and after everything he went through is still one of the best, Pathan never was nor has he ever been in the conversation. End of.

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    Amir takes this one due to his excellent performances in big matches.

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    It took jail time and a 5 year ban from every type of cricket to bring Mohammad Amir to Irfan Pathan's level.

    That should tell you something.


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    Quote Originally Posted by octavian View Post
    It took jail time and a 5 year ban from every type of cricket to bring Mohammad Amir to Irfan Pathan's level.

    That should tell you something.
    Except Amir's performance before the ban is a carbon copy of after his ban. Except England his figures in every country were really bad and it still is. There was no bringing down to any level, he was same before and after


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