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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Methane is one of the largest contributing gases to the Ozone layer hole. The number 1 contributor of methane gas is cattle. Not a human act, but a natural occurrence of a gas.

    I am saying that climate change is a natural cycle and that governments will find any old excuse to tax the poor while instilling fear into society.
    Cattle were domesticated by humans, and only have such a large population due to human demand for meat and milk. Take New Zealand for example, we have around 11 million cows (compared to under 5 million humans) even though cows are not even native to this country.

    Methane is an agricultural emission, and not only depletes the Ozone layer, but is in fact the second-largest greenhouse gas, and its impact on global temperature rise is 28x worse than carbon dioxide. Nitrous oxide, the third-largest greenhouse gas, is also produced from agriculture, and it is 300x worse than carbon dioxide


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    Quote Originally Posted by Energy View Post
    That's what happens you copy&paste stuff without understanding what it says. Read the pie-chart again, it includes transport and electricity on it too. Both of these are demand-based user entities.

    Policy makers have already made RE, EV available to public. Why are you not buying a Tesla and installing solar cells on your house?
    And this is what happens when you're unrealistic.

    How many people can afford a Tesla? Forget Tesla find me any electric vehicle for AU$2500 and I'll buy it right now. The electric vehicle market isn't as mainstream as you are making it out to be. And yes I did read transport there but switching to electric cars isn't affordable and there's not enough options. You have to give people alternatives before you criticize them for their commuting options. Also criticizing people for moving to cities is just unbelievable.

    I have to ask which world are you living in? The whole world is dependent on electricity and you want everyone to just switch off and go back to the dark ages lol. Provide alternatives and be realistic. I've already mentioned multiple renewable/clean sources of energy which are already in use in many countries of the world. It is just a matter of implementation and not getting bullied by energy and oil companies.

    Oh, and mind you I do use solar panels at my house so keep your judgements to yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energy View Post
    That's precisely what I'm saying. You can't stop anyone legally from choosing comfort/money over environment, whether that is at individual, business or government level.
    But I never said that you should forcibly prevent anyone from choosing comfort/money over environment. If you actually read the rest of the post which you left unbolded, I said specifically it takes time to educate people as to why they need to give up some things for the environment, I even gave the example of free carrier bags to make this point.

    Climate change and the environment isn't an issue for individual govts, it is a global issue at the end of the day. If the govts in South America decide it is ok to burn down the rain forests for the good of their own economy, it will affect everyone at some point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadi Rizvi View Post
    I think a bit more knowledge of the subject would have completely changed your perspective.

    https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sou...-gas-emissions
    According to the US Environmental Protection Agency commercial and residential activities only contribute about 12% of all greenhouse gas emissions. Hence disproving you point about a change in lifestyle being necessary.

    What we need a change in, is the source of our energy. Fossil fuels aren't gonna last forever and their use causes climate change too hence we have to move towards cleaner/renewable sources of energy like hydrogen/wind/solar/tidal/hydroelectric/nuclear etc. These transitions don't require people's will. They require the collective effort of the millionaires, billionaires and policy-makers of this world so that their funding can be invested into R&D for developing more efficient/cleaner/renewable processes for energy generation and large-scale effective implementation of these technologies in everyday lives of the people. If companies keep worrying about their quarterly target profits then just the people's will can't do jack about anything. Hence policy-makers deserve the blame that they get.
    Governments can introduce policy instruments to persuade market changes. For example the UK government encouraged people to purchase PV panels and sell energy back to the grid. This encouraged British citizens to install 800,000 generators in twenty years.

    The Duchy of Cornwall in SW UK is now producing 33% of consumed power from renewables - wind turbines, solar farms and energy from waste incineration. Geothermal power from deep radioactive ‘hot rocks’ is on the way, and an onshore wind farm and tidal lagoon in attempt to go carbon-neutral by 2030.

    Eventually the market will dictate a change to renewables, particularly as oil and gas run out.

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    Scientists have calculated that 995 of the Carbon on Earth is beneath our feat.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49899039

    Another blow for the scaremongers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Scientists have calculated that 995 of the Carbon on Earth is beneath our feat.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49899039

    Another blow for the scaremongers.
    Mate, it says Carbon.

    Carbon by itself isn't a greenhouse gas, genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadi Rizvi View Post
    Mate, it says Carbon.

    Carbon by itself isn't a greenhouse gas, genius.
    Thanks for the insight, but sadly for the scaremongers, Greenhouse gasses are not causing climate change, genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Thanks for the insight, but sadly for the scaremongers, Greenhouse gasses are not causing climate change, genius.
    Do you even know why Carbon Dioxide is called a greenhouse gas?
    It causes the greenhouse effect which is a cause of climate change.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas

    I mean...I didn't even need to go to Google Scholar.
    I just assumed Wikipedia should be enough for certified illiterates.

    It's getting harder and harder to take you seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Scientists have calculated that 995 of the Carbon on Earth is beneath our feat.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49899039

    Another blow for the scaremongers.
    Yes, and we are pulling it out of the ground where it was safely sequestered over millions of years and shoving it back into the atmosphere in just 150 years! That's why the carbon cycle is out of whack!

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    Switzerland Election - Green Party Is On The Rise

    Climate change has risen to the top of Switzerland's political agenda and observers are eyeing a possible "green tsunami" in 20 October elections.

    For decades Switzerland has been dominated by four main parties; the Swiss People's Party, the Social Democrats, the Radical Party and the Christian Democrats.

    But as the glaciers melt, the president of the Green party's youth wing sees an opportunity.

    "This is our year," says Maja Haus.

    "There is a climate crisis, and for the Green party this is a huge chance, because we have the answers to this problem: 2019 will be the climate elections."

    How big is the green wave?
    In the run-up to the vote the Green party has overtaken the Christian Democrats in the opinion polls. If those polls translate into seats, the Christian Democrats' place in Switzerland's seven-member government looks shaky.

    Including the more fiscally conservative Green Liberals, who are also polling well, greens could be a significant force in parliament. Latest opinion polls give them a combined 18% of the vote, a comfortable second place.

    But this election is about more than just a rise in support for green parties. "There was a lot going on in Switzerland during the last year," says Fabian Molina, who at the age of 29 is already a member of parliament for the Social Democrats.

    "We had a women's strike, we had a climate strike, people want change."

    In June this year hundreds of thousands of women across Switzerland took to the streets to call for equal pay and conditions, and an end to discrimination.

    It was, the Swiss Trades Union Federation said, the biggest political demonstration Switzerland had ever seen.

    All year climate strikes have been taking place, culminating in a huge rally in Berne in September, with 100,000 people taking part.

    The protests are a sign, says political analyst Barbara Perriard, that voters are energised, and some voters in particular.

    "We have a lot more women candidates this year," she says. "An increase of 40% on the last elections. And we have more than 450 candidates who were not eligible to vote in 2015, so that means young citizens want to participate in politics."

    How has climate change influenced young candidates?
    Among those standing is 21-year-old Alicia Badnod. For her, climate change and the environment are the top issues.

    She is not standing for the Green party, but rather as an independent because, she believes, young people have lost '"hope in the mainstream parties".

    Kelmy Martinez, also 21, is taking a different approach.

    He too puts climate at the top of his political priorities, but he is standing for the Social Democrats, one of Switzerland's oldest parties, and currently the second biggest in parliament.

    What is striking is that key issues that have mobilised Swiss voters in the past, specifically immigration, and relations with the European Union, are just not cutting through with these young people.

    Alicia remembers being put off, during the last election in 2015, by the focus, particularly from the right-wing Swiss People's Party, on the dangers of immigration.

    "It's easier to tell someone you are scared," she explains, "and then to tell them we will make your fears disappear, but the reality of Europe right now is multicultural."

    Is Swiss populism in decline?
    The Swiss People's Party remains the largest in parliament. It has campaigned for over a decade on two key messages: restrictions on immigration and asylum seekers, and limiting non-EU member Switzerland's ties with Brussels.

    When President Donald Trump's former adviser Steve Bannon came to Zurich last year, he praised Switzerland, and the Swiss People's Party, for being the cradle of populism. But this year, even among older voters, other issues seem more important: the cost of healthcare, pensions and, again, climate change.

    When the People's Party unveiled an eye-catching campaign poster, showing a perfect Swiss red apple being eaten by worms, one of which wore the blue flag and gold stars of the EU, there was widespread criticism, even from within the party.

    Still the party hopes to retain a big share of the vote and has, some would say belatedly, come out with a policy on climate change, one that will appeal to its traditional supporters in the farming community.

    "What we believe would be beneficial for the climate is that people buy local," says People's Party member of parliament Andreas Ott. "And buy seasonal, that is one of the main levers for the Swiss to reduce our climate footprint."

    Who will win?
    When all the votes are counted on Sunday, there will be, as ever in Switzerland, no outright winner. The entire system is designed, explains political scientist Andreas Ladner, to give all views a voice, but no single party too much power.

    "If you want to understand the Swiss system you have to know this culture. We are a small country. We don't like strong leaders. It is more important to integrate everybody, into government, into political responsibilities."

    There will be no green tsunami, then, but, if the polls are right, a drop in votes for the Swiss People's Party, and an increase for the Greens.

    No big overnight change, but a gradual shift towards more environmental policies. Many eager new members of parliament, and the old, will have to work together, to find compromises. It's the Swiss way, and suggests Andreas Ladner with a wry smile, it might "be an example for other countries".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadi Rizvi View Post
    Do you even know why Carbon Dioxide is called a greenhouse gas?
    It causes the greenhouse effect which is a cause of climate change.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas

    I mean...I didn't even need to go to Google Scholar.
    I just assumed Wikipedia should be enough for certified illiterates.

    It's getting harder and harder to take you seriously.
    METHANE

    Look it up and get a refund from your school.

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    Thousands Take Part in Brazil to Clean Up Beaches From Spilled Oil and Tar

    Thousands of people have taken part in a huge clean-up operation to remove oil and tar from beaches along Brazil's north-eastern coast. Volunteers, as well as government workers, used wheelbarrows, spades and plastic gloves to remove the thick tar from the sand and water.

    The source of the spill, which was first detected on 2 September, remains a mystery. It has affected wildlife and popular beaches including Praia do Futuro in Ceará, Maragogi in Alagoas, and Itacaré and Ilhéus in Bahia.

    At least 15 sea turtles, two seabirds and one fish have been found dead, the environmental agency Ibama said. Experts say this could be the worst disaster for the region's coral reefs.

    It was not clear if the volume of oil was increasing or decreasing and how long the problem, which has affected 187 places in nine states, will last.

    On Thursday, Ibama President Eduardo Bim said tests had proved the crude oil was produced in Venezuela but officials had not been able to identify the vessel responsible for the leak.

    This did not mean that Venezuela was responsible for the leak, he added, describing the case as "unprecedented". Venezuela, however, has denied responsibility for the oil.

    The incident is more challenging than a typical oil spill because the dense crude is not floating on the surface and only appears when it washes up on shore, Mr Bim was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying.

    Floating barriers usually employed to prevent oil from washing ashore have little effect, for example, so the work has been focused on cleaning up the crude as it comes to the coast.

    In Pernambuco state, 30 tonnes of oil were removed from beaches on Saturday alone.

    Meanwhile, federal prosecutors have accused the federal government of failing to organise a response, saying the spill has caused environmental damage in an area spanning 2,100km (1,300 miles).
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    Green parties have made strong gains in Switzerland's parliamentary election, according to initial projections.

    The anti-immigration Swiss People's Party (SVP) is set to remain the largest party, despite losing at least 3% of its support.

    But projections show a combined vote for the two green parties of around 20%.

    Their gains reflect voters' concerns over climate change, seen as the dominant issue in this election.

    Not all votes have been counted yet but the national broadcaster projected the Green Party's share surged 5.6 points to 12.7% of the vote, while the smaller, more centrist Green Liberal Party (GLP) garnered 7.6%.

    The Green Party looked set to overtake one of the parties in the coalition government, the Christian Democrats (CVP), and could for the first time get a seat in the coalition that governs Switzerland.

    "It is not a green wave, it is a tsunami, a hurricane," deputy party leader Celina Vara told Swiss radio.

    The centre-left Socialists looked set to take second place with 16.5% of the votes, and the centre-right Liberals (FDP) were on track to come in third with 15.2%.

    If the two Green parties are able to overcome policy differences and unite, they would represent a potent political force.

    As is usual in Switzerland, no single party is expected to secure a majority.

    For decades, the seven-seat Federal Council has been dominated by the same four main parties: the SVP, the Social Democrats, the FDP liberals and the CVP, says the BBC's Imogen Foulkes in Geneva.

    The SVP, which is set to remain the largest party in parliament, has campaigned for over a decade on two key messages: restrictions on immigration and asylum seekers, and limiting non-EU member Switzerland's ties with Brussels.

    But these issues were scarcely mentioned in the election campaign, and climate change dominated as the single most important issue.

    All year, climate strikes have been taking place in the country, culminating in a huge rally in Bern in September that drew 100,000 people.

    The Swiss have only to look up to see the effects of climate change: the Alpine glaciers are melting, and rock and mud slides are threatening mountain communities, our correspondent says.

    But the election campaign was about more than just a rise in support for green parties.

    A record 40% of candidates for the national council were women (as were more than a third of those standing for the second house, the chamber of states).

    In June this year, hundreds of thousands of women across Switzerland took to the streets to call for equal pay and conditions, and an end to discrimination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    METHANE

    Look it up and get a refund from your school.
    What's your evidence that global warming and climate change isn't happenning outside the usual cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danyaalr01 View Post

    What's your evidence that global warming and climate change isn't happenning outside the usual cycle?
    The term Global Warming died a quick death and re-branded to Climate Change.

    Sun and Moon effect our climate, and how Methane is one of the of the biggest contributors (if not the biggest) to *greenhouse* gases. It's ALL NATURAL.

    Get over it, you should be studying instead of falling for hoaxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    The term Global Warming died a quick death and re-branded to Climate Change.

    Sun and Moon effect our climate, and how Methane is one of the of the biggest contributors (if not the biggest) to *greenhouse* gases. It's ALL NATURAL.

    Get over it, you should be studying instead of falling for hoaxes.
    Can you please cite me the scientific journal articles that prove that the sun and moon are the main reason our climate is warming these days? The fact is that these days, the sun is actually getting cooler.

    Also, yes methane is a huge contributor to climate change, but are you really that naive to think methane emissions are something natural? Methane is the result of humans farming millions of cattle all around the world. If cattle were not farm animals, they would not be so numerous, we are the ones who helped their populations explode.

    I have done actual research, made a conference paper, and have done extensive review of climate change literature, I know what I'm talking about. You can't just call the efforts of thousands of climate scientists and engineers worldwide a 'hoax'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    The term Global Warming died a quick death and re-branded to Climate Change.

    Sun and Moon effect our climate, and how Methane is one of the of the biggest contributors (if not the biggest) to *greenhouse* gases. It's ALL NATURAL.

    Get over it, you should be studying instead of falling for hoaxes.
    You do realise that it's called climate change because the climate will change/is changing due to global warming.

    Did you every study chemistry? You are the one that needs to study instead of falling to dumb conspiracy theories.

    Carbon dioxide, methane, and halocarbons are greenhouse gases that absorb a wide range of energy—including infrared energy (heat) emitted by the Earth—and then re-emit it. The re-emitted energy travels out in all directions, but some returns to Earth, where it heats the surface. As the concentration of these gases increase more energy is absorbed and the surface temperature of the Earth rises.

    Another greenhouse gas is Nitrous Oxide (NO2). This is mainly produced in carbon fired power plants and in combustion engines.

    If there were no greenhouse gases then the Earth would be a ball of ice.

    Yes there are cycles where the Earth cools and heats, but it never gets this bad. People have been living in the Balochistan and interior Sindh region of Pakistan for thousanss of years, but it has never been almost uninhabitable. These places are on the verge of being impossible to live in. It is predicted that Pakistan, Iran and many parts of India will be uninhabitable in the near future.

    All these facts have been thoroughly researced and backed by experiments and knowledgable scientists who have spent their whole lives studying this. How much research and experiments have you done. Are you even any type of scientist or actually did well in science subjects that you can be so sure Climate change is a hoax.

    Let me guess, you also believe in the Flat Earth and anti-vax movements.

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    Greta Thunberg has turned down an environmental award and prize money because "the climate movement does not need any more awards".

    She said the offer was a "great honour" and thanked the Nordic Council, which said it respected her decision.

    But, she said, "politicians and the people in power" need to listen to the "current, best-available science".

    Ms Thunberg was this year's favourite to win the Nobel Peace Prize, but the award went to Ethiopia's Abiy Ahmed.

    In an Instagram post explaining her decision to turn down the prize money of 500,000 kronor (£40,000; €46,000), Ms Thunberg said: "The Nordic countries have a great reputation around the world when it comes to climate and environmental issues.

    "There is no lack of bragging about this. There is no lack of beautiful words."

    But she said Nordic energy consumption told "a whole other story".

    She referenced a report from from WWF and the Global Footprint Network, which says Sweden, along with most of the Nordic region, lives as if the world has the resources of four planets.

    The gap between what science said was needed to limit a global temperature increase and what was being implemented was "gigantic", said Ms Thunberg.

    "We belong to the countries that have the possibility to do the most. And yet our countries still basically do nothing," she added.

    The president of the Nordic Council, Hans Wallmark, said the organisation respected Greta Thunberg's decision and called her movement "a good cause for everyone".

    He said the council - which encourages co-operation between parliaments in countries including Denmark, Finland and Ms Thunberg's home country Sweden - would think carefully about what to do with the prize money.


    Who else has turned down an award?

    Jean-Paul Sartre refused the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1964. He said he "always declined official honours" as he did not want to be "turned into an institution"

    Musician David Bowie turned down a CBE in the UK in 2000 and a knighthood in 2003. He told The Sun: "I would never have any intention of accepting anything like that. I seriously don't know what it's for"

    Vietnamese politician Le Duc Tho was jointly offered the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973 with US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger for negotiating an armistice in Vietnam. Tho refused the award as the war between Vietnam and the USA was ongoing, and he accused Kissinger of violating a truce

    "It's not what I spent my life working for," David Bowie said of a knighthood

    Author Virginia Woolf declined the Companion of Honour in 1935 and honorary degrees from Manchester and Liverpool as she considered awards a symptom of the patriarchy

    British poet Benjamin Zephaniah refused an OBE honour (standing for Order of the British Empire) in 2003 as the word "empire" reminded him of "slavery" and "thousands of years of brutality", he told The Guardian. There have been calls to change the name of the title

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    Leonardo DiCaprio was impressed when he met Greta Thunberg.

    The actor shared a picture of himself with the climate change activist on Instagram.

    He wrote he hoped "Greta's message is a wake-up call to world leaders everywhere" and that the "time for inaction is over."

    He also praised the teenager for her work and said because of her he is "optimistic about what the future holds".

    The image has had almost 4 million likes since it was posted 22 hours ago.

    Greta Thunberg has helped start an international youth movement against climate change.

    The Swedish teenager first staged a "School Strike for Climate" in front of the Swedish Parliament in August last year.

    Her strike has inspired students from around the world, leading tens of thousands of students from Germany, Japan, the UK, Australia and many more to join her #FridaysforFuture demonstrations.

    Leo wrote: "There are few times in human history where voices are amplified at such pivotal moments and in such transformational ways but @GretaThunberg has become a leader of our time.

    "History will judge us for what we do today to help guarantee that future generations can enjoy the same liveable planet that we have so clearly taken for granted."

    The Hollywood star has also been outspoken about environmental issues.

    He told Newsbeat in 2016 he thinks climate change is the biggest issue facing young people today.

    He has a foundation which describes itself as being dedicated to addressing climate change and environmental threats to life on Earth.

    His organisation recently put $5m (£4.1m) towards helping the Amazon rainforest after the recent outbreak of fires there.

    He said it was "an honor to spend time with Greta. She and I have made a commitment to support one another, in hopes of securing a brighter future for our planet."
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    Greta Thunberg stranded as climate summit moves from Chile to Spain

    Without further ado, Ms Thunberg tore up the South American leg of her itinerary. “I’ll need some help,” she tweeted. “It turns out I’ve travelled half (sic) around the world, the wrong way. Now I need to find a way to cross the Atlantic in November. If anyone could help me find transport I would be so grateful.”
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...pain-23zc87jd2

    Perhaps she should not have bunked school and stayed in class to learn how to read a map.

    This is the problem with people who believe this hoax, blame solves nothing, solutions are required not, scapegoats and accusations. Now she is stranded tying to hitch hike her way to a climate summit on eco friendly transport.

    Someone needs to introduce video conferencing to her!

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    The Russians saying it as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Greta Thunberg stranded as climate summit moves from Chile to Spain



    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...pain-23zc87jd2

    Perhaps she should not have bunked school and stayed in class to learn how to read a map.

    This is the problem with people who believe this hoax, blame solves nothing, solutions are required not, scapegoats and accusations. Now she is stranded tying to hitch hike her way to a climate summit on eco friendly transport.

    Someone needs to introduce video conferencing to her!
    Sure, but then why don't you trust the science, and why do you decide to believe that climate change is a hoax based on politics? For the few politicians playing the blame game, there are many scientists and regular people proposing and pushing for solutions.

    Of course, it's because you want to believe in pseudo-science because it fits your political beliefs better. Why don't you answer my question from above? Where are the scientific journal articles that conclusively prove that climate change is not caused by humans, rather, it's caused by the sun and moon?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Greta Thunberg stranded as climate summit moves from Chile to Spain



    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...pain-23zc87jd2

    Perhaps she should not have bunked school and stayed in class to learn how to read a map.

    This is the problem with people who believe this hoax, blame solves nothing, solutions are required not, scapegoats and accusations. Now she is stranded tying to hitch hike her way to a climate summit on eco friendly transport.

    Someone needs to introduce video conferencing to her!
    I’ve been so mistaken calling you Intellectual Heavyweight.

    I apologise for any offence. I was totally wrong.

    From now on you’ll be known as The Genuis

    What’s your alma mater? Must Imperial or Oxbridge? Probably Harvard. Am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    The term Global Warming died a quick death and re-branded to Climate Change.

    Sun and Moon effect our climate, and how Methane is one of the of the biggest contributors (if not the biggest) to *greenhouse* gases. It's ALL NATURAL.

    Get over it, you should be studying instead of falling for hoaxes.
    What should we study?

    I for one can’t wait for you to present the scientific papers Hussain requested from you.

    On a side note, are you familiar with the Dunning-Kruger effect?

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    The United States has formally notified the United Nations of its intention to withdraw from the Paris Agreement.

    The notification begins a one-year process of exiting the global climate change accord, culminating the day after the 2020 US election.

    The agreement brought together 188 nations to combat climate change.

    Announcing the plan last month, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the agreement had imposed an "unfair economic burden" on the United States.

    The Paris agreement committed the US and 187 other countries to keeping rising global temperatures below 2C above pre-industrial levels and attempting to limit them even more, to a 1.5C rise.

    The decision to withdraw - taken by President Donald Trump - made the US the world's sole non-signatory and prompted high-level efforts by the European Union to keep the agreement on track.

    A report issued in December 2018 by the Institute of International and European Affairs suggested President Trump's decision to leave had done "very real damage" to the Paris agreement, creating "moral and political cover for others to follow suit".

    The report cited the examples of Russia and Turkey, which both declined to ratify the deal despite signing.

    The US issued its formal notification on the first day it was possible to do so, firing the starting gun on the long process of extricating the country from the 2015 agreement. The withdrawal is still subject to the outcome of next year's US presidential election - if Mr Trump loses, the winner may decide to change course.

    But scientists and environmentalists fear the effect the Trump administration will have on climate protections in the meantime. It has conducted what critics have called a seek-and-destroy mission against US environmental legislation.

    Mr Trump promised to turn the US into an energy superpower, and has attempted to sweep away a raft of pollution legislation to reduce the cost of producing gas, oil and coal. He characterised former US President Barack Obama’s environmental clean-up plans as a war on American energy.

    Announcing his decision to withdraw, last year, Mr Trump said: "I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris. I promised I would exit or re-negotiate any deal which fails to serve America's interests."

    But reports suggest the Trump administration made no effort to renegotiate the Paris agreement, waiting instead until the first possible day to exit.

    The US contributes about 15% of global emissions of carbon, but it is also a significant source of finance and technology for developing countries in their efforts to fight rising temperatures.

    What was agreed in Paris?
    Climate change, or global warming, refers to the damaging effect of gases, or emissions, released from industry and agriculture on the atmosphere. The Paris accord is meant to limit the global rise in temperature attributed to emissions.

    Countries agreed to:

    Keep global temperatures "well below" the level of 2C (3.6F) above pre-industrial times and "endeavour to limit" them even more, to 1.5C
    Limit the amount of greenhouse gases emitted by human activity to the same levels that trees, soil and oceans can absorb naturally, beginning at some point between 2050 and 2100
    Review each country's contribution to cutting emissions every five years so they scale up to the challenge
    Enable rich countries to help poorer nations by providing "climate finance" to adapt to climate change and switch to renewable energy
    Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50297029.


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    Actually this situation perfectly illustrates the utter stupidity and hypocrisy of travelling halfway around the world just to attend a conference on the issue of cutting carbon emissions, in a yacht built from carbon fibre. I mean forget carbon footprint, Greta was travelling half way round the globe, in a carbon shoe, the wrong way!

    The teenager savior of the planet cannot get from A to B because she is so busy hanging out with Hollywood stars. Then again, why doesn't she just ask Leo if she can borrow his private jet to fly to the climate-change summit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Actually this situation perfectly illustrates the utter stupidity and hypocrisy of travelling halfway around the world just to attend a conference on the issue of cutting carbon emissions, in a yacht built from carbon fibre. I mean forget carbon footprint, Greta was travelling half way round the globe, in a carbon shoe, the wrong way!

    The teenager savior of the planet cannot get from A to B because she is so busy hanging out with Hollywood stars. Then again, why doesn't she just ask Leo if she can borrow his private jet to fly to the climate-change summit?
    Is this an excerpt from the research papers you were alluding to for us to study?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Actually this situation perfectly illustrates the utter stupidity and hypocrisy of travelling halfway around the world just to attend a conference on the issue of cutting carbon emissions, in a yacht built from carbon fibre. I mean forget carbon footprint, Greta was travelling half way round the globe, in a carbon shoe, the wrong way!

    The teenager savior of the planet cannot get from A to B because she is so busy hanging out with Hollywood stars. Then again, why doesn't she just ask Leo if she can borrow his private jet to fly to the climate-change summit?
    Why do you keep dodging the question? Where are the scientific research papers that support your claims?

    Greta is irrelevant in all this. The original message she had was correct. Who wrote her speeches and how she decides to spend her time is another matter. What is relevant to all this is the science of climate change. So please, send us those scientific journal articles that support your claims, that's all we're asking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hussain.r97 View Post
    Why do you keep dodging the question? Where are the scientific research papers that support your claims?

    Greta is irrelevant in all this. The original message she had was correct. Who wrote her speeches and how she decides to spend her time is another matter. What is relevant to all this is the science of climate change. So please, send us those scientific journal articles that support your claims, that's all we're asking.
    The paper is called Dunning-Kruger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miandadrules View Post
    The paper is called Dunning-Kruger.


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    Poor girl is being used by influencial green energy investors to further their cause and force Western Governments to open their wallets and spend heavy in the green sector similar to the wind turbine boom and massive electrial vehicles rebates of 2010 and 2011.

    22 of the top 30 most polluted cities are India and 26 out 50 most polluted cities are in China yet western workers are forced to pay the price for this travesty.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ntl/index.html

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    All these scientists must be part of the hoax too.


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    2019 Ozone Hole is the Smallest on Record Since Its Discovery

    The annual ozone hole reached its peak extent of 6.3 million square miles (16. 4 million square kilometers) on Sept. 8, and then shrank to less than 3.9 million square miles (10 million square kilometers) for the remainder of September and October, according to NASA and NOAA satellite measurements. During years with normal weather conditions, the ozone hole typically grows to a maximum area of about 8 million square miles in late September or early October.

    “It’s great news for ozone in the Southern Hemisphere,” said Paul Newman, chief scientist for Earth Sciences at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. “But it’s important to recognize that what we’re seeing this year is due to warmer stratospheric temperatures. It’s not a sign that atmospheric ozone is suddenly on a fast track to recovery.”

    Ozone is a highly reactive molecule comprised of three oxygen atoms that occurs naturally in small amounts. Roughly seven to 25 miles above Earth’s surface, in a layer of the atmosphere called the stratosphere, the ozone layer is a sunscreen, shielding the planet from potentially harmful ultraviolet radiation that can cause skin cancer and cataracts, suppress immune systems and also damage plants.

    The Antarctic ozone hole forms during the Southern Hemisphere’s late winter as the returning Sun’s rays start ozone-depleting reactions. These reactions involve chemically active forms of chlorine and bromine derived from man-made compounds. The chemistry that leads to their formation involves chemical reactions that occur on the surfaces of cloud particles that form in cold stratospheric layers, leading ultimately to runaway reactions that destroy ozone molecules. In warmer temperatures fewer polar stratospheric clouds form and they don’t persist as long, limiting the ozone-depletion process.

    NASA and NOAA monitor the ozone hole via complementary instrumental methods.

    Satellites, including NASA’s Aura satellite, the NASA-NOAA Suomi National Polar-orbiting Partnership satellite and NOAA’s Joint Polar Satellite System NOAA-20 satellite, measure ozone from space. The Aura satellite’s Microwave Limb Sounder also estimates levels of ozone-destroying chlorine in the stratosphere.

    At the South Pole, NOAA staff launch weather balloons carrying ozone-measuring “sondes” which directly sample ozone levels vertically through the atmosphere. Most years, at least some levels of the stratosphere, the region of the upper atmosphere where the largest amounts of ozone are normally found, are found to be completely devoid of ozone.

    “This year, ozonesonde measurements at the South Pole did not show any portions of the atmosphere where ozone was completely depleted,” said atmospheric scientist Bryan Johnson at NOAA’s Earth System Research Laboratory in Boulder, Colorado.

    Uncommon but not unprecedented

    This is the third time in the last 40 years that weather systems have caused warm temperatures that limit ozone depletion, said Susan Strahan, an atmospheric scientist with Universities Space Research Association, who works at NASA Goddard. Similar weather patterns in the Antarctic stratosphere in September 1988 and 2002 also produced atypically small ozone holes, she said.

    “It’s a rare event that we’re still trying to understand,” said Strahan. “If the warming hadn’t happened, we’d likely be looking at a much more typical ozone hole.”

    There is no identified connection between the occurrence of these unique patterns and changes in climate.

    The weather systems that disrupted the 2019 ozone hole are typically modest in September, but this year they were unusually strong, dramatically warming the Antarctic’s stratosphere during the pivotal time for ozone destruction. At an altitude of about 12 miles (20 kilometers), temperatures during September were 29 degrees F (16˚C) warmer than average, the warmest in the 40-year historical record for September by a wide margin. In addition, these weather systems also weakened the Antarctic polar vortex, knocking it off its normal center over the South Pole and reducing the strong September jet stream around Antarctica from a mean speed of 161 miles per hour to a speed of 67 miles per hour. This slowing vortex rotation allowed air to sink in the lower stratosphere where ozone depletion occurs, where it had two impacts.

    First, the sinking warmed the Antarctic lower stratosphere, minimizing the formation and persistence of the polar stratospheric clouds that are a main ingredient in the ozone-destroying process. Second, the strong weather systems brought ozone-rich air from higher latitudes elsewhere in the Southern Hemisphere to the area above the Antarctic ozone hole. These two effects led to much higher than normal ozone levels over Antarctica compared to ozone hole conditions usually present since the mid 1980s.

    As of October 16 2019, the ozone hole above Antarctica remained small but stable and is expected to gradually dissipate in the coming weeks.
    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...-its-discovery

    The above is from NASA. 16th October 2019. A mere 2 weeks ago.

    Alas! Greta is en-route to a selfie near you, in a carbon shoe.

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    People using Greta to dismiss climate change is like the following:

    1) India uses pellet guns in Kashmir , with many including children blinded

    2) Maliha Lodhi (?) uses a picture not from Kashmir to show India's use of such bullets

    3) People claim that no one was blinded because the picture was fake


    Just because a person exaggerates or is hypocritical over an issue, that does not invalidate the actual issue itself

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongHorn View Post
    People using Greta to dismiss climate change is like the following:

    1) India uses pellet guns in Kashmir , with many including children blinded

    2) Maliha Lodhi (?) uses a picture not from Kashmir to show India's use of such bullets

    3) People claim that no one was blinded because the picture was fake


    Just because a person exaggerates or is hypocritical over an issue, that does not invalidate the actual issue itself
    Excellent analogies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    2019 Ozone Hole is the Smallest on Record Since Its Discovery



    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...-its-discovery

    The above is from NASA. 16th October 2019. A mere 2 weeks ago.

    Alas! Greta is en-route to a selfie near you, in a carbon shoe.

    Did you even read the article, and do you even understand anything about the ozone layer? It's depletion or restoration has very little to do with climate change. The reason it's restoring is because humans have largely stopped using cluorofluorocarbons (CFCs) in aerosols and refrigeration. CFCs react with ozone in the atmosphere in the presence of UV radiation from the sun. Since there are less CFCs, less of these reactions take place, hence ozone is now restoring. Ozone has very little to do with warming.

    Oh, and you've dodged the question again. Where are the scientific journal articles that support your theories?


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    I read somewhere she has become a PR prop for celebs and politicians and I have to agree. And she is milking the attention. Good for her

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Actually this situation perfectly illustrates the utter stupidity and hypocrisy of travelling halfway around the world just to attend a conference on the issue of cutting carbon emissions, in a yacht built from carbon fibre. I mean forget carbon footprint, Greta was travelling half way round the globe, in a carbon shoe, the wrong way!

    The teenager savior of the planet cannot get from A to B because she is so busy hanging out with Hollywood stars. Then again, why doesn't she just ask Leo if she can borrow his private jet to fly to the climate-change summit?
    Will she be burning the Boat? Perhaps educate yourself before commenting, as such comments are just embarrassing and show that you have absolutely no understanding of any science.

    Do you even know what combustion is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danyaalr01 View Post
    Will she be burning the Boat? Perhaps educate yourself before commenting, as such comments are just embarrassing and show that you have absolutely no understanding of any science.

    Do you even know what combustion is?
    Just so you know two sailors were flown over to sail her boat back, they used a total of 4 flights to prevent her from flying over.

    It was a media stunt by her handlers to sail her over and have four flights to move sailors on the boat to make it look like they were reducing the carbon footprint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Just so you know two sailors were flown over to sail her boat back, they used a total of 4 flights to prevent her from flying over.

    It was a media stunt by her handlers to sail her over and have four flights to move sailors on the boat to make it look like they were reducing the carbon footprint.
    But that guy's saying the boat itself increases carbon emmisions as it is made of carbon. That is the knowledge of a 2 year old.

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    It took Sir Tim Clark a long time to face up to the climate crisis.

    The President of Emirates, the biggest long-haul airline in the world, was no climate change denier. But he was pretty sceptical about some of the claims.

    Not now, though. "The stark reality of climate change is with us. I'm a climate change believer. I have to say, it took me a long time to get there.

    "And we [in the aviation industry] aren't doing ourselves any favours by chucking billions of tons of carbon into the air. It's got to be dealt with," he told the BBC.

    It's a frank admission from one of the most powerful people in an industry that has many commercial reasons to bury its head in the sand.

    Another surprise is his admiration for climate change activists. "I quite like Extinction Rebellion and Greta Thunberg for having brought a real focus to the issue; a focus on the fact that we are not doing enough at the speed we should be.

    "I'm not condoning some of their methods. But Extinction Rebellion and Greta have a role to play... We really need this kind of thing to force us to make decisions."

    Activists have done more to highlight the issues than any government or industry body ever has, he says.

    Sir Tim, 70 later this month, has spent half his working life helping to establish and then run the Dubai-based carrier. Emirates is now one of the world's most successful airlines, carrying 150,000 people a day.

    So, tackling the airline's carbon footprint is not the first challenge he's faced. But it's up there with the biggest.

    Emirates, which also includes a big cargo operation, burns through an astonishing 100 million barrels of oil each year. So finding a viable alternative to fossil fuels is not going to happen any time soon, Sir Tim says.

    He has little faith that electric battery alternatives will ever be capable of powering a big airliner. And while biofuels are an option, they won't be scalable to meet demand.

    Sir Tim thinks synthetic fuels offer the best alternative, but these are years from being fit for purpose.

    Nevertheless, meaningful change is happening, Sir Tim insists. "But the industry has been a very bad articulator of the good things we've done."

    Aero-engines are far more efficient - 50% more efficient than 30 years ago, he says. Use of lighter materials in manufacturing airframes means a lighter fuel burn.

    Airlines are stripping out plastic use where they can - "more difficult than you'd imagine"- and changing the way aircraft taxi on runways.

    It would also help if governments improved airspace use. "Aircraft don't fly in a straight line. Even in Europe we have to make too many dog-legs," he said.

    There are plenty of other small changes - what he calls "low hanging fruit" - that cumulatively could make a big dent in the industry's carbon footprint. "We are trying every trick in the book to improve things," he said.

    Except, emissions are forecast to rise over the next couple of years as air travel in the Middle East and Asia continues to grow. And Emirates is expanding its fleet to meet that growth. Sir Tim spoke to the BBC at the Dubai Air Show, where the airline has announced another blockbuster $16bn order for aircraft.

    He understands that most activists and "flight shamers" won't be happy until aircraft stop flying. But it's not practical and, frankly, it's just not going to happen, he said. Sir Tim also wonders if people in Europe and the US should be denying newly-affluent travellers elsewhere the same benefits the West had.

    While he accepts there will be no meeting of minds with those on the other side of the table, he would like activists to at least know they have helped push through change. "We not longer dragging our feet," he said.
    Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50481107.


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    Greta Thunberg, the Swedish schoolgirl who inspired a global movement to fight climate change, has been named Time magazine's Person of the Year for 2019.

    The 16-year-old is the youngest person to be chosen by the magazine in a tradition that started in 1927.

    Speaking at a UN climate change summit in Madrid before the announcement, she urged world leaders to stop using "creative PR" to avoid real action.

    The next decade would define the planet's future, she said.




    Last year, the teenager started an environmental strike by missing lessons most Fridays to protest outside the Swedish parliament building. It sparked a worldwide movement that became popular with the hashtag #FridaysForFuture.

    Since then, she has become a strong voice for action on climate change, inspiring millions of students to join protests around the world. Earlier this year, she was nominated as a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Who is Greta Thunberg?
    Island nation's 'fight to death'
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    At the UN Climate Conference in New York in September, she blasted politicians for relying on young people for answers to climate change. In a now-famous speech, she said: "You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words. We'll be watching you."

    Reacting to the nomination on Twitter, the activist said: "Wow, this is unbelievable! I share this great honour with everyone in the #FridaysForFuture movement and climate activists everywhere."

    The teenager's message, however, has not been well received by everyone, most notably prominent conservative voices. Before her appearance in Madrid, Brazil's President Jair Bolsonaro called her a "brat" after she expressed concern about the killing of indigenous Brazilians in the Amazon.

    "Greta said that the Indians died because they were defending the Amazon," Mr Bolsonaro told reporters. "It's impressive that the press is giving space to a brat like that," he said, using the Portuguese word for brat, "pirralha".

    The activist responded by briefly changing her Twitter bio to "Pirralha".

    She has previously been at odds with US President Donald Trump, who has questioned climate science and rolled back many US climate laws, and Russian President Vladimir Putin, who once called her a "kind but poorly informed teenager".

    Media captionGreta at UN climate change talks - one year apart
    Announcing Time's decision on NBC, editor-in-chief Edward Felsenthal said: "She became the biggest voice on the biggest issue facing the planet this year, coming from essentially nowhere to lead a worldwide movement."

    The magazine's tradition, which started as Man of the Year, recognises the person who "for better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the year". Last year, it named murdered and imprisoned journalists, calling them "The Guardians".

    What happened in Madrid?
    At the COP25 Climate Conference in Madrid, Greta Thunberg accused world powers of making constant attempts to find loopholes to avoid making substantial changes.

    "The real danger is when politicians and CEOs are making it look like real action is happening when, in fact, almost nothing is being done apart from clever accounting and creative PR," she said, drawing applause.

    Summits on climate change seemed "to have turned into some kind of opportunity for countries to negotiate loopholes and to avoid raising their ambition", she added.

    "In just three weeks we'll enter a new decade, a decade that will define our future," she said. "Right now, we're desperate for any sign of hope."

    A speech grounded in research
    This was meant to be a big moment in the talks, the elixir of the "Greta effect" bringing new energy to a flagging process. The teenager is almost certainly the most famous person here, attracting far more attention than other celebrities like Al Gore, and the UN badly needs a boost.

    Her talk came over as measured, grounded in the latest research, and avoided the flash of hurt and anger she displayed in New York in September. Looking around the hall, it was striking how many of the national delegations had not turned up for this morning session at the conference.

    A snub by the big fossil fuel economies? Or maybe they were too busy in the negotiations themselves?

    In any event, the passion among the millions of young people who have taken to the streets to demand action on climate change feels very remote from the diplomatic struggles in these halls.




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    Climate change: Methane pulse detected from South Sudan wetlands

    cientists think they can now explain at least part of the recent growth in methane (CH4) levels in the atmosphere.

    Researchers, led from Edinburgh University, UK, say their studies point to a big jump in emissions coming from just the wetlands of South Sudan.

    Satellite data indicates the region received a large surge of water from East African lakes, including Victoria.

    This would have boosted CH4 from the wetlands, accounting for a significant part of the rise in global methane.

    Perhaps even up to a third of the growth seen in the period 2010-2016, when considered with East Africa as a whole.

    "There's not much ground-monitoring in this region that can prove or disprove our results, but the data we have fits together beautifully," said Prof Paul Palmer.

    "We have independent lines of evidence to show the Sudd wetlands expanded in size, and you can even see it in aerial imagery - they became greener," he told BBC News.

    Methane is a potent greenhouse gas, and - just like carbon dioxide - is increasing its concentration in the atmosphere.

    It's not been a steady rise, however. Indeed, during the early 2000s, the amount of the gas even stabilised for a while. But then the concentration jumped in about 2007, with a further uptick recorded in 2014.

    CH4 (methane) is now climbing rapidly and today stands at just over 1,860 parts per billion by volume.

    There's currently a debate about the likely sources, with emissions from human activities such as agriculture and fossil-fuel use undoubtedly in the mix. But there is a large natural component as well, and a lot of current research is centred on contributions from the tropics.

    The Edinburgh group has been using the Japanese GOSAT spacecraft to try to observe the greenhouse-gas behaviour over peatlands and wetlands in Africa, and found significant rises in methane emissions above South Sudan centred on the years 2011-2014.

    Believing the region called the Sudd could be the culprit (soil microbes in wetlands are known to produce a lot of methane), the team started looking through other satellite data-sets to make the link.

    Land surface temperature observations supported the idea that soils in the region had become wetter; gravity measurements across East Africa also detected an increase in the weight of water held in the ground; and satellite altimeters had tracked changes in the height of lakes and rivers to the south.

    "The levels of the East African lakes, which feed down the Nile to the Sudd, increased considerably over the period we were studying. It coincided with the increase in methane that we saw, and would imply that we were getting this increased flow down the river into the wetlands," explained Dr Mark Lunt.

    Much of the extra water likely resulted as a consequence of dam releases upstream.

    The Edinburgh group published its findings on Wednesday in the journal Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics, and, as an update to the story, Dr Lunt is presenting new data here at the American Geophysical Union meeting.

    He's been looking at methane observations made by the EU's Sentinel-5P satellite. Its Tropomi instrument sees CH4 at a finer resolution than GOSAT, and it's clear from the European mapper that methane emissions are still elevated over South Sudan.

    The level of activity is nothing like the same as in the early 2010s, but the Sudd wetlands remain an important source.

    "It's a huge area so it's not surprising that it's pumping out a lot of methane. To give context - the Sudd is 40,000 sq km: two times the size of Wales. And being that big we expect to see the emissions from space," Dr Lunt told BBC News.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50708544

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    Climate activist Greta Thunberg has changed her Twitter bio to mock US President Donald Trump's outrage at her winning Time Person of the Year 2019.

    He said she had an "anger management problem" and should go to "a good old fashioned movie with a friend".

    "Chill Greta, Chill!" he added.

    She then adapted her Twitter bio to say she was "a teenager working on her anger management problem. Currently chilling and watching a good old fashioned movie with a friend".

    The Swedish 16-year-old was named as Time magazine's Person of the Year on Wednesday after leading a global movement against climate change.



    This is not the first time she has changed her Twitter bio to reflect Mr Trump and other leaders' criticism of her.

    On Tuesday Ms Thunberg changed her bio to "pirralha" - the Portuguese word for brat - after Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro criticised her highlighting the plight of Brazil's indigenous people.

    "Greta's been saying Indians have died because they were defending the Amazon," Mr Bolsonaro told reporters. "It's amazing how much space the press gives this kind of pirralha."

    In October she changed the bio to "a kind but poorly informed teenager". This was exactly how Russian President Vladimir Putin had described her at a conference in Moscow.

    In September President Trump posted a video of her speaking emotionally at the UN conference and sarcastically commented: "She seems like a very happy young girl looking forward to a bright and wonderful future."

    She changed her bio accordingly: "A very happy young girl looking forward to a bright and wonderful future".




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    The Greta cult have nothing better to do than to mock because the joke is on her and her disciples.

    Natural methane in Africa and CO2 from the volcano eruption in NZ, have all but poured water over the climate activists this year. All that hard work this year, oops I mean propaganda, undermined by 2 natural occurrences of climate change.

    Love it!

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    Greta without a script

    Well, seems the leader of the climate activist cult is truly a puppet. Unable to answer a question on her message, and totally blanked the question on Trump's tweet. This is what happens without a script.


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    Greta Thunberg has apologised for saying world leaders should be "put against the wall" in a speech.

    The teenage climate activist made the comment while addressing a Fridays For Future protest in Turin, Italy.

    In English the phrase is associated with execution by firing squad, but Ms Thunberg said it had a different meaning in her native language Swedish.

    "That's what happens when you improvise speeches in a second language," she added on Saturday.




    Ms Thunberg was speaking in Turin after attending the UN climate summit COP25 in the Spanish capital Madrid.

    She said she feared the summit alone would not lead to adequate climate action, and that activists should continue to take world leaders to task.

    "World leaders are still trying to run away from their responsibilities, but we have to make sure they cannot do that," she said.

    "We will make sure that we put them against the wall, and they will have to do their job to protect our futures."

    After some initial concern over her use of the phrase - which usually means to execute people by firing squad, against a wall - she tweeted a clarification.

    "Yesterday I said we must hold our leaders accountable and unfortunately said 'put them against the wall'," she wrote.

    "That's Swenglish: 'att ställa någon mot väggen' (to put someone against the wall) means to hold someone accountable."

    She continued: "Of course I apologise if anyone misunderstood this. I cannot enough express the fact that I - as well as the entire school strike movement - are against any possible form of violence. It goes without saying but I say it anyway."

    Ms Thunberg was recently named Time magazine's youngest ever Person of the Year, for inspiring a global movement to fight the climate crisis.




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    Teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg has said it was “extremely likely” that she fell ill with coronavirus but has now recovered.

    The 17-year-old said she felt “tired, had shivers, a sore throat and coughed” after returning from a trip in Europe, so self-isolated for two weeks.

    “Everyone feeling ill are told to stay at home and isolate themselves. I have therefore not been tested for Covid-19, but it’s extremely likely that I’ve had it, given the combined symptoms and circumstances," she wrote on Instagram.

    She warned people to stay at home because “our actions can be the difference between life and death” for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Well, seems the leader of the climate activist cult is truly a puppet. Unable to answer a question on her message, and totally blanked the question on Trump's tweet. This is what happens without a script.

    That was hilarious. Greta sure does look like a noob without someone handing her over the script.

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    I m curious who is creating these Malalas and Gretas of the world? Is this some new conspiracy?


    Kut khani hai to aa jao idher, khushbo laga ke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    I m curious who is creating these Malalas and Gretas of the world? Is this some new conspiracy?
    Far Left Liberals.

    Why combine Malala with Greta?

    Malala at least has a case against her culture where women are not treated as equals.

    Greta is a total noob. Malala can at least speak well and talks with some brains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Far Left Liberals.

    Why combine Malala with Greta?

    Malala at least has a case against her culture where women are not treated as equals.

    Greta is a total noob. Malala can at least speak well and talks with some brains.
    OH please... you cannot pick or choose the righteous ones based on your preferences...


    The way I see it they are both the same sort of drama. Just because she can speak well does not make her any different in terms of what they are preaching. Women are not treated a equals anywhere in the world. She used her situation to get her and her family to UK and gain fame. You think she was the only girl in that bus? You think her class mates actually stopped going to school or are not going to school since her accident? They all are.. and they hate her because they see the real her.

    I think this Greta is also being "used" by certain groups just like Malala was/is. She is ambitious and means well but she is a tool to extend a certain agenda.


    dISCLAIMER: I do not in any way, condone the damage we are causing on this planet. I merely question the ulterior motives of those who are weirdly heavily publicizing certain persons.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    OH please... you cannot pick or choose the righteous ones based on your preferences...


    The way I see it they are both the same sort of drama. Just because she can speak well does not make her any different in terms of what they are preaching. Women are not treated a equals anywhere in the world. She used her situation to get her and her family to UK and gain fame. You think she was the only girl in that bus? You think her class mates actually stopped going to school or are not going to school since her accident? They all are.. and they hate her because they see the real her.

    I think this Greta is also being "used" by certain groups just like Malala was/is. She is ambitious and means well but she is a tool to extend a certain agenda.


    dISCLAIMER: I do not in any way, condone the damage we are causing on this planet. I merely question the ulterior motives of those who are weirdly heavily publicizing certain persons.
    Malala got shot in her face by Terrorists. She had a legit reason to move to West. I am not picking or choosing here. Malala would probably be dead if she were still in Pakistan and speaking her mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Malala got shot in her face by Terrorists. She had a legit reason to move to West. I am not picking or choosing here. Malala would probably be dead if she were still in Pakistan and speaking her mind.
    A lot of women are speaking their minds.. are they all getting shot? Did you see the aurat March stuff?

    Come on, man.. that’s exactly what they want you to believe and use certain people to extend their propaganda and agenda. Yes, it’s bad but doesn’t mean people with guns are waiting to shoot down any female who wants to go school.. remember thousands of girls in that area go to school and they still are..

    Thats like saying the next rape victim in India who stands up and speaks against rape will get killed or raped again. It’s ridiculous. When you have such high profile publicity attached to you, you are almost untouchable. Hurting you will make the other party even a worse culprit..

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    Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg has donated a $100,000 (£80,000) prize she won from a Danish foundation to the United Nations Children’s Fund (Unicef) for use against the pandemic.

    “Like the climate crisis, the coronavirus pandemic is a child rights' crisis,” said Thunberg

    “It will affect all children, now and in the long term, but vulnerable groups will be impacted the most. I’m asking everyone to step up and join me in support of Unicef's vital work to save children’s lives, to protect health and continue education.”

    Danish anti-poverty organisation Human Act, which awarded Thunberg the original prize, has matched her donation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    A lot of women are speaking their minds.. are they all getting shot? Did you see the aurat March stuff?

    Come on, man.. that’s exactly what they want you to believe and use certain people to extend their propaganda and agenda. Yes, it’s bad but doesn’t mean people with guns are waiting to shoot down any female who wants to go school.. remember thousands of girls in that area go to school and they still are..

    Thats like saying the next rape victim in India who stands up and speaks against rape will get killed or raped again. It’s ridiculous. When you have such high profile publicity attached to you, you are almost untouchable. Hurting you will make the other party even a worse culprit..
    Not sure what point you are making here. I think you just don’t like to see young girls speaking out and taking a moral lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Far Left Liberals.
    A contradiction in terms. Far left is communism. Modern Liberals are not communists, they are for personal freedom and for free marketeers, who expect the markets to serve people and planet as well as profit.

    Nobody “creates” Malala and Greta, except themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Not sure what point you are making here. I think you just don’t like to see young girls speaking out and taking a moral lead.
    Judgmental much?
    You need to read the entire thread to catch my drift...

    The world media is the latest modern day WMD. It is a reality bending, mind wiping, propaganda badassery that is now being mastered by many countries. I think it started with US during the first gulf war and now the Russians, the indians, the Pakistanis, the right, the left, all are using it with devastating results. You just have to find the right ingredients. Malala and Greta are just two examples. I am not questioning their sincerity or motives. At least definitely not at all in Greta’s case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    Judgmental much?
    You need to read the entire thread to catch my drift...

    The world media is the latest modern day WMD. It is a reality bending, mind wiping, propaganda badassery that is now being mastered by many countries. I think it started with US during the first gulf war and now the Russians, the indians, the Pakistanis, the right, the left, all are using it with devastating results. You just have to find the right ingredients. Malala and Greta are just two examples. I am not questioning their sincerity or motives. At least definitely not at all in Greta’s case.
    Still not clear of your point. Do you mean that activism is futile because it inevitable gets absorbed by the big biz / government narrative and repurposed?

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    We all know Greta is well funded by Green Capitalist around the world. I have been for last 10 years been saying how hypocrites these green capitalists are. They dont care about planet, they just care about their money. Environmentalists are absolutely clueless about Renewable "GREEN" energy.

    Finally someone like Michael Moore highlighted to the world how dangerous this group is and they're infact destroying the world further. The name of the documentary is Planet of the Humans

    Link:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Still not clear of your point. Do you mean that activism is futile because it inevitable gets absorbed by the big biz / government narrative and repurposed?
    If it’s not the right, it’s the left.. and if not left, the right.

    It’s not governments controlling or trying to control the narrative or policies anymore. It’s big Corp and certain overzealous factions who want to hold the power.. this is all means to an end.. Malala and Greta are genuine kids. But they are being used by certain people as poster children to extreme their views.. it’s not like Malala is the only one in Pakistan who was not allowed to go to school.. but at the same it’s not as if there aren’t millions of girls who actually do go to school in Pakistan.. I don’t know if you can read between the lines here.

    Same way Greta can’t be the only child who feels strongly about climate change.. but she is the one who was hand picked by certain people to extend their own agenda... now they are both puppets!

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    The environmental campaigner, Greta Thunberg, has challenged “the myth” that children are not affected by the virus and can’t spread it.

    Speaking to CNN, the 17-year-old activist urged children to stick to physical distancing rules.

    She said:

    It’s sort of a myth right now that children are not being being affected by this virus. And that is very wrong. Children both do get this disease and they also spread it on to others so. So we need to be very careful that this misinformation, that it doesn’t affect children, becomes mainstream. We need to make sure that people understand that this affects children.

    Thunberg went into isolation in March after displaying mild symptoms of coronavirus. She said:

    Many people don’t even notice that they have symptoms and then they might spread the virus without even knowing it. We young people have a very big responsibility because we we might not experience the symptoms as as bad as many others. So we have to be extra careful, because our actions can be the difference between life and death for many others.

    She also expressed hope that the crisis would mean that politicians and the public now follows the warnings of scientists. She said:

    More people are starting to realise that we are actually depending on science, and that we need to listen to scientists and experts. I really hope that stays for other crises, such as the climate crisis and the environmental crisis, that we understand that we have to listen to the scientists.


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    Greta Thunberg says the world needs to learn the lessons of coronavirus and treat climate change with similar urgency.

    That means the world acting "with necessary force", the Swedish climate activist says in an exclusive interview with BBC News.

    She doesn't think any "green recovery plan" will solve the crisis alone.

    And she says the world is now passing a "social tipping point" on climate and issues such as Black Lives Matter.

    "People are starting to realise that we cannot keep looking away from these things", says Ms Thunberg, "we cannot keep sweeping these injustices under the carpet".

    She says lockdown has given her time to relax and reflect away from the public gaze.

    Ms Thunberg has shared with the BBC the text of a deeply personal programme she has made for Swedish Radio.

    In the radio programme, which goes online this morning, Greta looks back on the year in which she became one of the world's most high-profile celebrities.

    The then 16-year-old took a sabbatical from school to spend a tumultuous year campaigning on the climate.

    She sailed across the Atlantic on a racing yacht to address a special UN Climate Action summit in New York in September.

    She describes world leaders queuing to get pictures with her, with Angela Merkel asking whether it was okay to post her photo on social media.

    The climate campaigner is sceptical of their motives. "Perhaps it makes them forget the shame of their generation letting all future generations down", she says. "I guess maybe it helps them to sleep at night."

    It was in the UN that she delivered her famous "how dare you" speech. "You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words", she told the world leaders gathered in the UN Assembly.

    She appeared on the verge of tears as she continued. "People are dying," she said, "and all you can talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth. How dare you?"

    She knew it was a "lifetime moment" and decided not to hold anything back, she says now.

    "I am going to let my emotions take control and to really make something big out of this because I won't be able to do this again".

    She describes travelling back from the UN to her hotel on the subway and seeing people watching the speech on their phones, but says she felt no urge to celebrate.

    "All that is left are empty words", she says.

    The phrase reflects her deep cynicism about the motives of most world leaders.

    "The level of knowledge and understanding even among people in power is very, very low, much lower than you would think," she told the BBC.

    She says the only way to reduce emissions on the scale that is necessary is to make fundamental changes to our lifestyles, starting in developing countries. But she doesn't believe any leaders have the nerve to do that.

    Instead, she says, they "simply refrain from reporting the emissions, or move them somewhere else".

    She claims the UK, Sweden and other countries do this by failing to account for the emissions from ships and aircraft and by choosing not to count the emissions from goods produced in factories abroad.

    As a result, she says in her radio programme, the whole language of debate has been degraded.

    "Words like green, sustainable, 'net-zero', 'environmentally friendly', 'organic', 'climate-neutral' and 'fossil-free' are today so misused and watered down that they have pretty much lost all their meaning. They can imply everything from deforestation to aviation, meat and car industries," she said.

    Ms Thunberg says the only positive that could come out of the coronavirus pandemic would be if it changes how we deal with global crises: "It shows that in a crisis, you act, and you act with necessary force."

    She says she is encouraged that politicians are now stressing the importance of listening to scientists and experts.

    "Suddenly people in power are saying they will do whatever it takes since you cannot put a price on human life."

    She hopes that will open up a discussion about the urgency of taking action to help the people who die from illnesses related to climate change and environmental degradation right now as well as in the future.

    But she remains deeply pessimistic about our ability to keep any temperature increases within safe boundaries.

    She says that, even if countries actually deliver the carbon reductions they've promised, we'll still be heading for a "catastrophic" global temperature rise of 3-4 degrees.

    The teenager believes the only way to avoid a climate crisis is to tear up contracts and abandon existing deals and agreements that companies and countries have signed up to.

    "The climate and ecological crisis cannot be solved within today's political and economic systems", the Swedish climate activist argues. "That isn't an opinion. That's a fact."

    Thunberg talks movingly of a road-trip she and her father took through North America in an electric car borrowed from Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Hollywood actor turned politician and climate campaigner.

    She visited the charred remains of Paradise, the Californian town destroyed by a wildfire in November 2018.

    She is shocked by the carbon-intensive lifestyles she saw in the US. "Apart from a few wind power plants and solar panels," she says, "there are no signs whatsoever of any sustainable transition, despite this being the richest country in the world."

    But the social inequities struck her just as forcefully.

    She describes meeting poor black, Hispanic and indigenous communities.

    "It was very shocking to hear people talk about that they can't afford to put food on the table", she explained.

    Yet Greta Thunberg says she has been inspired by the way people have been responding to these injustices, particularly the Black Lives Matter protests following the death of George Floyd in May.

    She believes society has "passed a social tipping point, we can no longer look away from what our society has been ignoring for so long whether it is equality, justice or sustainability".

    She describes signs of what she calls an "awakening" in which "people are starting to find their voice, to sort of understand that they can actually have an impact".

    That is why Greta Thunberg says she still has hope.

    "Humanity has not yet failed", she argues.

    She concludes her radio documentary in powerful form.

    "Nature does not bargain and you cannot compromise with the laws of physics," the teenager asserts.

    "Doing our best is no longer good enough. We must now do the seemingly impossible. And that is up to you and me. Because no one else will do it for us."

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