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    Mohammad Amir reaches career-best ODI rating, #7 in updated ODI bowling rankings





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    Going good Amir, keep it up!

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    Has done reasonably well

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    Well deserved. Despite struggling to produce good pace consistently, he has been as consistent as any bowler around in terms of his lengths and intelligent enough to adjust that and put in slower balls when required. I just hope he works bit more on his bowling fitness.

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    not great from some1 who was destined to be great.... need to be in the top 3 for LOI rankings now given he is not playing tests .....no more long rope for aamir ...

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    He is a top class LOI bowler.
    Was second best to Starc in the world cup and I hope he continues like this.

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    Cummins is too high. He is an overrated ODI bowler.

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    Pak bowlers used to dominate this list at the top of the rankings, now we can only muster one meagre #7 in the whole top 20. Even Afghan bowlers have higher rankings and more entries. So sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Cummins is too high. He is an overrated ODI bowler.
    He is consistent and he won that recent series in India without Starc and Hazelwood...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    He is consistent and he won that recent series in India without Starc and Hazelwood...
    There are several better pacers than him in the ODI format: Bumrah, Boult, Rabada, Starc, Amir (when he cares), Shami and probably Archer as well, although the sample size is quite small.

    Cummins is often one-dimensional with his length. It works brilliantly in Tests but he needs more variations in ODIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    There are several better pacers than him in the ODI format: Bumrah, Boult, Rabada, Starc, Amir (when he cares), Shami and probably Archer as well, although the sample size is quite small.

    Cummins is often one-dimensional with his length. It works brilliantly in Tests but he needs more variations in ODIs.
    I agree with that but it's working superbly for him. Tough all the pacers you have named are also brilliant (apart from Shami who doesn't make this list). I will say Cummins is one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    There are several better pacers than him in the ODI format: Bumrah, Boult, Rabada, Starc, Amir (when he cares), Shami and probably Archer as well, although the sample size is quite small.

    Cummins is often one-dimensional with his length. It works brilliantly in Tests but he needs more variations in ODIs.
    That when he cares part is so true honestly this guy doesn’t give his 100% when he actually cared was the World Cup when his spot was threatened and than we all saw how he performed. He can still crank it up to 140+ easily if he wants to it’s just that he doesn’t really care anymore. I remember he was pumped up in the ct17 final and his first ball was like 145 and I’m like damn. He can still be in the top three bowlers of this decade if he continues to actually care.

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    Amir, Bumrah and Starc are far ahead everyone in ODIs.

    In T20Is, it's Amir, Bumrah and Mustafizur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    Pak bowlers used to dominate this list at the top of the rankings, now we can only muster one meagre #7 in the whole top 20. Even Afghan bowlers have higher rankings and more entries. So sad.
    Hasan Ali was #1. Idk what happened to him.

    Shaheen will move higher and so will Shinwari. Problem is we have a lot of fast bowling depth and pacers are rested a lot.

    Don't take rankings seriously because Starc is #7 because he also rests a lot.

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    Significant gains have been made by Pakistan players in the latest update of the MRF Tyres ICC Men's ODI Player Rankings.
    Shinwari, Gunathilaka among others to gain after Pakistan-Sri Lanka series

    Pakistan’s Mohammad Amir has reached a career-best seventh position among bowlers in the MRF Tyres ICC Men’s ODI Player Rankings in the latest update carried out after the three-match home series against Sri Lanka which they won 2-0 with one match washed out.

    The left-arm fast bowler, who retired from Tests earlier this year to concentrate on white-ball cricket, has risen six spots in the list led by India’s Jasprit Bumrah after finishing with four wickets, including a haul of three for 50 in the final match. His previous highest ranking was 10th in June this year.

    Usman Shinwari, another left-arm fast bowler from Pakistan, has made a significant rise, gaining 28 slots to reach 43rd position after finishing with six wickets in the series, including a five-wicket haul that won him the player of the match award in the second ODI.

    Left-handed batsmen Fakhar Zaman (up two places to 16th) and Haris Sohail (up three places to 32nd) are the others to gain from Pakistan, while Sri Lanka’s Danushka Gunathilaka has reached a career-best 70th place after a century in the final match.

    Thursday’s update, which also takes into account the two ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup League 2 series in Scotland and the USA, sees two players from Papua New Guinea in the top 100. Assad Vala has moved up 76 places to 91st and Tony Ura has advanced 19 places to joint-99th along with Scotland’s Matthew Cross who too has gained two spots to break into the top 100.

    In the MRF Tyres ICC Men’s ODI Team Rankings, Pakistan and Sri Lanka have retained sixth and eighth positions, respectively. Namibia, Oman and the USA, who have ODI status, meet the minimum requirement of eight qualifying matches and are now on the rankings table.

    https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/1367532


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    Ive never been a fan of these rankings...like how on earth can Fakhr Zaman be the 16th best batsman in the world? hahah... but just like Harsha Bhogle said during the world cup, he's a bowler that walks into any side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidbhai View Post
    Ive never been a fan of these rankings...like how on earth can Fakhr Zaman be the 16th best batsman in the world? hahah... but just like Harsha Bhogle said during the world cup, he's a bowler that walks into any side.
    Fakhar has performed in bits and pieces, so it's not unfathomable.

    However, I don't understand how Woakes and Mujeeb Zadran are rated higher than the highest wicket taker of this year's WC

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    Amir is not as good a bowler as these rankings show. This is the same bowler who only picked up 3 wickets in 14-15 ODI's going into the WC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Amir is not as good a bowler as these rankings show. This is the same bowler who only picked up 3 wickets in 14-15 ODI's going into the WC.
    Since the start of the World Cup, he has 21 wickets in 10 matches @ ~20.

    He's bowling quite slowly now, was averaging around 130kph in the SL series, but is picking up wickets with a lot more ease.


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    Look at Babar, truly one of the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidbhai View Post
    Ive never been a fan of these rankings...like how on earth can Fakhr Zaman be the 16th best batsman in the world? hahah... but just like Harsha Bhogle said during the world cup, he's a bowler that walks into any side.
    You will be surprised to see his scores in the last couple of years (Excluding WC and Asia Cup). He does have problems starting against spin on occasions and does struggle against short deliveries on days too however, he keeps on finding the way to score runs for the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    You will be surprised to see his scores in the last couple of years (Excluding WC and Asia Cup). He does have problems starting against spin on occasions and does struggle against short deliveries on days too however, he keeps on finding the way to score runs for the team.
    He has more than just struggling against spin, short deliveries...lets add any sort of seam movement, and if that isnt enough he somehow manages to get himself out playing shots ive never seen in my life (vs SA in world cup) Im just glad Abid Ali is here, if there isnt any biases Abid Ali and Imam should be openers, or even take out Imam for Khurram Manzoor or another opener who have been trying so hard to break into the team but dont understand why we keep persisting with Fakhr Zaman, he clearly needs to work on his technique for a solid year... Also that series against Zimbabwe really inflated his stats, and makes him look like a player well beyond what he actually is. He doesnt even make my 11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Amir is not as good a bowler as these rankings show. This is the same bowler who only picked up 3 wickets in 14-15 ODI's going into the WC.
    Savak is a certified Amir hater...(sorry bro just calling it as I see it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Fakhar has performed in bits and pieces, so it's not unfathomable.

    However, I don't understand how Woakes and Mujeeb Zadran are rated higher than the highest wicket taker of this year's WC

    Better than Jos buttler, Mushfiqur Raheem, Dhawan, Stokes, Morgan?? I would take any of those over Fakhr Zaman any day of the week!

    wait till we play any one decent on a non batting paradise wicket and we will see...his lack of technique is catching up to him, its just that its not been reflected in these rankings cuz these rankings make no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Since the start of the World Cup, he has 21 wickets in 10 matches @ ~20.

    He's bowling quite slowly now, was averaging around 130kph in the SL series, but is picking up wickets with a lot more ease.
    Good numbers.

    He's re-invented himself almost having realised he's not the bowler he was at the start of his career.



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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidbhai View Post
    He has more than just struggling against spin, short deliveries...lets add any sort of seam movement, and if that isnt enough he somehow manages to get himself out playing shots ive never seen in my life (vs SA in world cup) Im just glad Abid Ali is here, if there isnt any biases Abid Ali and Imam should be openers, or even take out Imam for Khurram Manzoor or another opener who have been trying so hard to break into the team but dont understand why we keep persisting with Fakhr Zaman, he clearly needs to work on his technique for a solid year... Also that series against Zimbabwe really inflated his stats, and makes him look like a player well beyond what he actually is. He doesnt even make my 11.
    While the series against Zim has inflated his stats to an extent but the rankings take into account the oppositions as well.

    I agree that he doesnt instill confidence with his technique but he wont be the only player with non textbook technique to play cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    While the series against Zim has inflated his stats to an extent but the rankings take into account the oppositions as well.

    I agree that he doesnt instill confidence with his technique but he wont be the only player with non textbook technique to play cricket.

    However he is the only player with the worst technique in the top 16

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    To much focus on Fakhar Zaman . He has never been known for his text book technique, and like others has his weaknesses, but he is dogged and determined and that reflects in some of the knocks he has played. His record is still relatively good and despite having a mediocre year he is still averaging mid 30s. Next year hopefully he becomes more consistent again .

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    PCT management should make it clear with Amir - he is there only for LOs and if he wants that privilege (of central contracted player with limited liability); than he must have to commit his next 3.5 years - to remain fit, to be available for every LO game, to be focused and he MUST improve his hitting ability so that he can be trusted as No. 8.

    Otherwise, this news (of ranking raise) isnít going to benefit much, rather distracting - heíll occupying a spot in playing XI, then might be missing in WC 2023. If he is really serious, I still think making him ODI captain is his best utilisation - which will allow Babar to focus on batting (being vice Captain), and PCT finally can get rid of current man going for the toss. Batting captain isnít a good idea for PCT.

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    Amir looks like he has four arms


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    Quote Originally Posted by CadPakFan View Post
    Amir looks like he has four arms

    Pretty cool picture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mean&Green View Post
    That when he cares part is so true honestly this guy doesn’t give his 100% when he actually cared was the World Cup when his spot was threatened and than we all saw how he performed. He can still crank it up to 140+ easily if he wants to it’s just that he doesn’t really care anymore. I remember he was pumped up in the ct17 final and his first ball was like 145 and I’m like damn. He can still be in the top three bowlers of this decade if he continues to actually care.
    After retiring from Test cricket, he has no excuse for putting in half-hearted performances in ODIs and T20Is. Pakistan cannot afford him to disappear until the next World Cup. He has take lead the bowling attack and give his 100% every game like other players do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidbhai View Post
    Better than Jos buttler, Mushfiqur Raheem, Dhawan, Stokes, Morgan?? I would take any of those over Fakhr Zaman any day of the week!

    wait till we play any one decent on a non batting paradise wicket and we will see...his lack of technique is catching up to him, its just that its not been reflected in these rankings cuz these rankings make no sense.
    It's about recent performances Dhawan averages around 35 (which is higher than Fakhar's 34) but he hasn't played recently. Jos Buttler didn't have a good WC and he comes doen the order. Top order batsmen will be higher ranked as they usually score more runs. All the batsmen you named are middle order apart from Dhawan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danyaalr01 View Post
    It's about recent performances Dhawan averages around 35 (which is higher than Fakhar's 34) but he hasn't played recently. Jos Buttler didn't have a good WC and he comes doen the order. Top order batsmen will be higher ranked as they usually score more runs. All the batsmen you named are middle order apart from Dhawan.

    Its says top odi BATSMEN! nothing about middle order/top order, thats why I said these rankings make no sense to me. So if you go down a little further Shakib who had an unreal world cup is 23! what is considered recent then? and Fakhr who stank this past world cup and even leading upto it is 16?

    My point is that these rankings seem quite arbitrary, Fakhr was on the brink of being dropped (might still, if Ahmed Shahzad performs or if Abid Ali is given his fair run) from the side yet he is 16th best batsman in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Fakhar has performed in bits and pieces, so it's not unfathomable.

    However, I don't understand how Woakes and Mujeeb Zadran are rated higher than the highest wicket taker of this year's WC
    Because Starc hasn't played many odis in the ranking period

    He was rested for majority of the odi series

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    I find it hilarious when @HappyWarsFan told me recently how Amir has no hope of succeeding in the next WC

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    I find it hilarious when @HappyWarsFan told me recently how Amir has no hope of succeeding in the next WC
    Yeah I am right. Amir is just an England condition basher.

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    What a champion bowler he is. That was great bowling yesterday.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyWarsFan View Post
    Yeah I am right. Amir is just an England condition basher.
    Amir has been superb with the ball. I acknowledge this SL side aren’t the strongest opposition but he’s bowled skilfully to produce economical figures on good batting wickets, as one would expect in Pakistan.

    If you think he’s just an English wicket bully, but rate Misbah’s captaincy and batting (during his playing days) it shows you’re far from being “right”, so I’ll leave you to your delusions on this for now.

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    Amir is increasingly becoming the stabilizing force in the Pakistani LOI bowling attack. Although I don't see him as someone who will win a lot of matches - Shaheen and Shinwari are better wicket takers. But Amir's discipline is phenomenal

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    He's an excellent bowler, but he won't be the star bowler he once was in the coming years. People want to see guys like Shaheen and even Naseem in the future. Amir has compromised his pace for accuracy, swing and he is bowling variations much more, which is working for him but it's not what the general public want to see.

    If Pakistan are to win the World t20 next year, Amir will have to do well. He might not take wickets but he will keep the run rate in check while Shaheen takes the wickets. He is turning in to more of a support bowler who builds pressure to allow the bowlers at the other end to take wickets, while taking a few wickets here and there.

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    Amir has been a silent hero. He hasn't been getting much praises lately but he is getting the job done quietly.


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