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    "It's a good eye-opener for us, we have deficiencies in every department" : Misbah-ul-Haq

    Misbah at a presser a short while ago:

    "It's never nice to lose, specially when you lose to a team missing its main players"

    "It's a good eye-opener for us, we have deficiencies in every department. In bowling, batting, specially the way we got out in both matches. Deficiency against playing spin, death bowling, we have to work a lot on these things"

    "They are an inexperienced team but they implemented their bowling and batting discipline brilliantly and we completely failed to do that"

    "These 2 players in all forms of cricket over the last year: Ahmed Shehzad's performance in PSL was excellent. Umar Akmal's performance in all formats in domestic cricket was very good. Unfortunately in our circuit, we have no other batsman in T20s who gave performances like these"

    "I think that any player who is out of the team should get a chance again if he performs. We gave that chance on that basis. OK, they didn't perform. All we can do is to give them a chance. Obviously I am answerable but to make a team, you need some time and to do that, you do some experiments. Only then do you get the answers to your questions. A lot of things are in front of us and we need to find solutions"

    "The opposition deserves credit, they played well. One of our strengths, yorkers, we haven't been able to execute like SL did, we need to bring that back. We have been relying on length balls, slower balls and other variations. Pakistan's strength of yorkers will be worked on with Waqar bhai. If you don't have clarity and try different things in death overs then you can leak 10-12 an over"

    "Shadab is working hard but he's under pressure a bit, he's not in form. We are working with him and trying to give him confidence. He was an outstanding bowler but suddenly began to struggle. Let's see what happens going forward"

    "Sometimes batsmen have confidence to try and finish the innings but it doesn't happen. It's true that winning performances for the team matter, whether it's 15, 20 or 50 runs so this is an important criterion for selection"

    "Be a little patient, this was the first series. You people were saying that we should play B team etc., hopefully now you realise that in international cricket there is no A B C. Whichever team plays is difficult. They outclassed us. We should also criticise ourselves for that attitude of wanting to play all new players. Those people who did this type of analysis should also now know that this can happen and you should be ready for such situations"

    "When you give anyone chances in international cricket, after 1-2 matches you get an idea. After the series, the most important thing for us is the National T20 Cup before the Australia tour. The importance of that has increased. Players have a chance, whoever performs well and can fulfill a gap in our team can be selected. Whenever we see a player who we feel can fulfil the gaps, we try to pick them immediately"

    "We became #1 in T20Is but if you dig deeper, what has been our strength mostly? Babar Azam's runs and he didn't score in two games and we've been exposed. I think we need to find six match-winners, not one. Until you don't have that powerhouse in the middle-order and a powerhouse at the top-order for the powerplay, you can't do well. Similarly in the bowling powerplay if you can't get wickets and then in the death overs you can't finish well, you struggle and I think we have failed in all departments. It's an eye opener. We need to look at these things. If we were doing well, we couldn't do that here. Our strong points didn't deliver. We need to find other players, how long can you rely on one or two batsmen?"

    "You are seeing problems with the team and I am also seeing them. We need to resolve these. It's not something that can be fixed overnight. It takes some time to fix these things"


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    Yes deficiencies are more specifically in the coaching and selection department. This same core group of players took us to number one in the rankings, but you took over and brought your friends and now we have lost to SL C team at home.


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    Yes, firstly and foremost, in the coaching and selection department.

    Absolutely no way we lose under Mickey against Sri Lanka of all teams.


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    "These 2 players in all forms of cricket over the last year: Ahmed Shehzad's performance in PSL was excellent. Umar Akmal's performance in all formats in domestic cricket was very good. Unfortunately in our circuit, we have no other batsman in T20s who gave performances like these"


    This will tell everyone the state of this persons inadequacy...


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    Good to see Misbah being held accountable. That said, he is not diagnosing the problems correctly and as a result he likely to come to wrong conclusions in solving those problems.

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    From number 1 to losing to Sri Lanka A in a few days.
    Thank You Misbah

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    Reminds of Misbah captaincy days

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    i had sympathy with him thinking these garbage players were thrust on him in his ODI team but given he has picked them as a coach tell us a lot of his mental stability ....shameless man
    Last edited by MenInG; 7th October 2019 at 23:55.

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    The best thing has happened to our cricket that we got exposed badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Yes deficiencies are more specifically in the coaching and selection department. This same core group of players took us to number one in the rankings, but you took over and brought your friends and now we have lost to SL C team at home.
    Bro that part about why we became the number one T20 team is absolute rubbish. Even worse. This is worse than Shoaib Akhtar's 'analysis'

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    I think even a blind man could see that.

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    Honest assessment from Misbah.


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    Loving the dilemma of Misbah fans, how to criticize the selection of Umar Akmal, Ahmed Shehzad without criticizing Misbah ul Haq.

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    Despite being ranked #1 and dominating opposition, suddenly, we have a ton of problems since The Dictator took charge.

    It isn't hard to see why we were down in the dumps while he was last in charge.


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    So another Blessing in Disguise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Loving the dilemma of Misbah fans, how to criticize the selection of Umar Akmal, Ahmed Shehzad without criticizing Misbah ul Haq.
    lol... dont worry ... they will find a way....

    some examples should be

    1) if u feeling cold, shower without water

    2) if you feeling cold, put the AC the opposite way, get the hot wind in

    some examples of misbah lovers logic

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    This loss is such a blessing in disguise. You all will be happy later (given Misbah sacks Sarfaraz, Shahzad, Umar Akmal, etc.)

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    Mukhtar ahmed, zafar gohar, usama mir, too many to name

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    The guy has screwed the whole team over just by recalling Shehzad and Akmal. Must be the worst selection decisions in the recent history. And his audacity to call this a one man team, what a joker. The top order of Fakhar and Babar was a strength and Misbah goes and disrupts it first series in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Despite being ranked #1 and dominating opposition, suddenly, we have a ton of problems since The Dictator took charge.

    It isn't hard to see why we were down in the dumps while he was last in charge.
    Dominating?

    Pakistan is a very one-dimensional T20 team. Their method is predictable. Do not let teams score more than 150-160 and then chase the score with Babar's slow but consistent batting. No wonder, they were totally exposed in South Africa when they had to chase 180+ scores.

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    The same players were tried and tested when he was captain and playing himself, yet we persist with them. Supposidly misbah will use his knowledge of pakistani cricket to help him in the role. Clear his knowledge is very poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Dominating?

    Pakistan is a very one-dimensional T20 team. Their method is predictable. Do not let teams score more than 150-160 and then chase the score with Babar's slow but consistent batting. No wonder, they were totally exposed in South Africa when they had to chase 180+ scores.
    South Africa won those games by 6-7 runs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    The best thing has happened to our cricket that we got exposed badly.
    and abh toh yeh line bhi bol bol ke zubaan ghiss gai hai bhai...

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    Rubbish as usual. This guy will take Pakistan to #9 in white ball cricket once again. Clueless as always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    Rubbish as usual. This guy will take Pakistan to #9 in white ball cricket once again. Clueless as always.
    It's worth it if he improves us in tests. Also, he literally just started, the domestic season hadn't started yet when he picked this squad. Now he will have the domestics to see who's performing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    South Africa won those games by 6-7 runs.
    Does not change the fact that Pakistan could not beat South Africa B whenever there was a challenging total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Does not change the fact that Pakistan could not beat South Africa B whenever there was a challenging total.
    Way to shift goalposts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Way to shift goalposts.
    What shifting the goalposts? Had Pakistan lost to SL by 6-7 runs, would you be satisfied?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    "These 2 players in all forms of cricket over the last year: Ahmed Shehzad's performance in PSL was excellent. Umar Akmal's performance in all formats in domestic cricket was very good. Unfortunately in our circuit, we have no other batsman in T20s who gave performances like these"


    This will tell everyone the state of this persons inadequacy...
    His reasoning for choosing them is rubbish.

    TTFs should never be judged based on basic stats. You have to see whether or not they've improved their technique/mindset. There has to be something more that proves they can come back and play better.

    If not, you move down the list and pick someone else instead of making lame excuses.


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    I like the role, at least there aren't different centres of power where nobody was accountable.

    I was surprised that he was appointed because he played with too many of the team but let's give him time and let him swim or sink. I don't think these T20 matches are of any value and should be used to try young players like Haris Rauf etc. I don't see any value in Sarfraz continuing as captain as he offers little and players like Wahab aren't much use.

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    First of all drop Sarfraz, Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad from this team.

    Get in Rizwan, Iftikhar and Haris Sohail.

    Make Sohail the captain for the time being.

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    Misbah never took responsibility and held his hands up when our LOI side was down in the dumps under his captaincy and it will be the same again whilst he’s as coach. He isn’t going to accept responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    His reasoning for choosing them is rubbish.

    TTFs should never be judged based on basic stats. You have to see whether or not they've improved their technique/mindset. There has to be something more that proves they can come back and play better.

    If not, you move down the list and pick someone else instead of making lame excuses.
    What's worse is that he says there no better T20 players than these two in Pakistan. Such insight..... Pakistan cricket can only go up with people like him at the top.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    "Unfortunately in our circuit, we have no other batsman in T20s who gave performances like these"
    Right so in other words these were the best choices since there is no talent in Pakistan. This is the same thing he loved to spew in his playing days. Sadly for him people are aware of what we have and we know we can do better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    "Obviously I am answerable but to make a team, you need some time and to do that, you do some experiments."
    But.. but... I thought international cricket was not a laboratory.


    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    "Be a little patient, this was the first series. You people were saying that we should play B team etc., hopefully now you realise that in international cricket there is no A B C."
    The irony is that we played our A team and lost. So maybe it was better to play our B team so we could have gotten excuse of not playing our best team. Misbah you deserve this humiliation. Keep on talking the talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyWarsFan View Post
    It's worth it if he improves us in tests. Also, he literally just started, the domestic season hadn't started yet when he picked this squad. Now he will have the domestics to see who's performing.
    True Test cricket matters more than the formats that have the biggest tournaments in cricket. And we are sure he will fix our test cricket on the bases of being a good test batsmen. Love this logic. Keep it till reality sinks in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazzam View Post
    True Test cricket matters more than the formats that have the biggest tournaments in cricket. And we are sure he will fix our test on the bases of being a good test batsmen. Love this logic. Keep it till reality sinks in.
    By the time he was done with his career we were down to number 7 in tests..... so him improving our test fortunes is also a myth.


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    @Syed1 and he thinks he gave chances to younger players . thats worrying signs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    @Syed1 and he thinks he gave chances to younger players . thats worrying signs.
    That reminds of Misbah's captaincy era.... when he used to refer to 30-32 year old Azhar and Asad as youngsters


    Somebody call Mickey and ask him to come back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    That reminds of Misbah's captaincy era.... when he used to refer to 30-32 year old Azhar and Asad as youngsters


    Somebody call Mickey and ask him to come back.
    You have to live with it for four years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    By the time he was done with his career we were down to number 7 in tests..... so him improving our test fortunes is also a myth.
    Not to forget #8 in ODIs


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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    Not to forget #8 in ODIs
    And 8 in T20s as well.... Mashallah can't wait


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    Weirdest thing for me is that there WERE no deficiencies as such in the Pak team. After a long time Pak batting seemed to have settled in all format. Yes some players were still inconsistent (like Fakhar) but many like Babar, Harris, etc were blossoming and team was playing well around them. Everyone seemed to know their roles.

    Just the other day, during the 3rd ODI, I was thinking that I hadn't really seen a Pak batting collapse for a long time. The way they chased almost 300 was so assured. In match after match there was stability, batsmen knew their role, there was no panic even if wickets were lost and wickets were never falling in bunch. There were good partnerships at steady rates

    Just by adding Shezad, Akmal etc, that stability is completely destroyed. Not only are these players losing their wickets, they are losing wickets in bunch. Earlier if an opener got out, the no 3 would add stability and a partnership and so on for the next wickets. Now once one wicket falls, Sehzad and Akmal are falling in a heap together, and suddenly Pak is 4 down. And the others around them seem to be confused how to play around these guys, whether to protect them or rotate strike with them. Even Babar seems to be more circumspect as if knows there are weak players to follow

    Just the addition of these two players have completely destroyed the balance. The entire team seems less assured, the two players themselves don't feel they belong in the middle and have zero confidence and it rubs off on the entire team and now everyone is confused about their roles, whether they will be dropped to accommodate these two players in other games and overall less confident

    This entire experiment of bringing back these two players is a showcase of what not to do and how trying to fix something which is not broken, trying to experiment just for the sake of experimenting, and giving carte blanche to some players but not others can dismantle a team in weeks

    The problem now with Misbah is that he needs to have the guts to acknowledge that the experiment has gone wrong. It might hurt his ego which is why he is trying to double down on the thing. But he should not try to get into the sunk cost fallacy of giving longer and longer rope in the hope he will be proven right eventually. That is going to leave a drastic impact on the stability of the side.

    All I will tell Misbah is, go back to basics and go back to what was working. If you want to give a longer rope, give it to the players who were already there in the team. You have never worked with them as a coach before so coach these players first and let them grow and blossom. And to replace them look at young, upcoming talent and groom them as a selector and as a coach. You wield a lot of power, officially more than someone like even Imran did in cricket. Use it. As a coach groom the team which was already given to you, see if you can fix the weaknesses of these players. If you want to give a chance, give a chance to this team which has just becoming stable. Spend your coaching time on players like Babbar

    And as a selector work with young, exciting talent and groom them to replace players in the current team or players who don't work out. You want time to prove yourself as a coach and a selector, so do players currently in the team. What message does it give when you replace them, without working on improving them as a coach, with not exciting youngsters, but players who have been in the team many time before? What message does it give when you openly talk about giving these players a long rope but not the players who were already playing in the team before? Why don't they deserve a long rope and time under you as a coach? Use the power you have been given wisely. You can make or break this time with your thought process


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    By the time he was done with his career we were down to number 7 in tests..... so him improving our test fortunes is also a myth.
    People donít remember that. People remember the moment we became number 1 Test side for like what? Under a week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Weirdest thing for me is that there WERE no deficiencies as such in the Pak team. After a long time Pak batting seemed to have settled in all format. Yes some players were still inconsistent (like Fakhar) but many like Babar, Harris, etc were blossoming and team was playing well around them. Everyone seemed to know their roles.

    Just the other day, during the 3rd ODI, I was thinking that I hadn't really seen a Pak batting collapse for a long time. The way they chased almost 300 was so assured. In match after match there was stability, batsmen knew their role, there was no panic even if wickets were lost and wickets were never falling in bunch. There were good partnerships at steady rates

    Just by adding Shezad, Akmal etc, that stability is completely destroyed. Not only are these players losing their wickets, they are losing wickets in bunch. Earlier if an opener got out, the no 3 would add stability and a partnership and so on for the next wickets. Now once one wicket falls, Sehzad and Akmal are falling in a heap together, and suddenly Pak is 4 down. And the others around them seem to be confused how to play around these guys, whether to protect them or rotate strike with them. Even Babar seems to be more circumspect as if knows there are weak players to follow

    Just the addition of these two players have completely destroyed the balance. The entire team seems less assured, the two players themselves don't feel they belong in the middle and have zero confidence and it rubs off on the entire team and now everyone is confused about their roles, whether they will be dropped to accommodate these two players in other games and overall less confident

    This entire experiment of bringing back these two players is a showcase of what not to do and how trying to fix something which is not broken, trying to experiment just for the sake of experimenting, and giving carte blanche to some players but not others can dismantle a team in weeks

    The problem now with Misbah is that he needs to have the guts to acknowledge that the experiment has gone wrong. It might hurt his ego which is why he is trying to double down on the thing. But he should not try to get into the sunk cost fallacy of giving longer and longer rope in the hope he will be proven right eventually. That is going to leave a drastic impact on the stability of the side.

    All I will tell Misbah is, go back to basics and go back to what was working. If you want to give a longer rope, give it to the players who were already there in the team. You have never worked with them as a coach before so coach these players first and let them grow and blossom. And to replace them look at young, upcoming talent and groom them as a selector and as a coach. You wield a lot of power, officially more than someone like even Imran did in cricket. Use it. As a coach groom the team which was already given to you, see if you can fix the weaknesses of these players. If you want to give a chance, give a chance to this team which has just becoming stable. Spend your coaching time on players like Babbar

    And as a selector work with young, exciting talent and groom them to replace players in the current team or players who don't work out. You want time to prove yourself as a coach and a selector, so do players currently in the team. What message does it give when you replace them, without working on improving them as a coach, with not exciting youngsters, but players who have been in the team many time before? What message does it give when you openly talk about giving these players a long rope but not the players who were already playing in the team before? Why don't they deserve a long rope and time under you as a coach? Use the power you have been given wisely. You can make or break this time with your thought process
    POTW for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Weirdest thing for me is that there WERE no deficiencies as such in the Pak team. After a long time Pak batting seemed to have settled in all format. Yes some players were still inconsistent (like Fakhar) but many like Babar, Harris, etc were blossoming and team was playing well around them. Everyone seemed to know their roles.

    Just the other day, during the 3rd ODI, I was thinking that I hadn't really seen a Pak batting collapse for a long time. The way they chased almost 300 was so assured. In match after match there was stability, batsmen knew their role, there was no panic even if wickets were lost and wickets were never falling in bunch. There were good partnerships at steady rates

    Just by adding Shezad, Akmal etc, that stability is completely destroyed. Not only are these players losing their wickets, they are losing wickets in bunch. Earlier if an opener got out, the no 3 would add stability and a partnership and so on for the next wickets. Now once one wicket falls, Sehzad and Akmal are falling in a heap together, and suddenly Pak is 4 down. And the others around them seem to be confused how to play around these guys, whether to protect them or rotate strike with them. Even Babar seems to be more circumspect as if knows there are weak players to follow

    Just the addition of these two players have completely destroyed the balance. The entire team seems less assured, the two players themselves don't feel they belong in the middle and have zero confidence and it rubs off on the entire team and now everyone is confused about their roles, whether they will be dropped to accommodate these two players in other games and overall less confident

    This entire experiment of bringing back these two players is a showcase of what not to do and how trying to fix something which is not broken, trying to experiment just for the sake of experimenting, and giving carte blanche to some players but not others can dismantle a team in weeks

    The problem now with Misbah is that he needs to have the guts to acknowledge that the experiment has gone wrong. It might hurt his ego which is why he is trying to double down on the thing. But he should not try to get into the sunk cost fallacy of giving longer and longer rope in the hope he will be proven right eventually. That is going to leave a drastic impact on the stability of the side.

    All I will tell Misbah is, go back to basics and go back to what was working. If you want to give a longer rope, give it to the players who were already there in the team. You have never worked with them as a coach before so coach these players first and let them grow and blossom. And to replace them look at young, upcoming talent and groom them as a selector and as a coach. You wield a lot of power, officially more than someone like even Imran did in cricket. Use it. As a coach groom the team which was already given to you, see if you can fix the weaknesses of these players. If you want to give a chance, give a chance to this team which has just becoming stable. Spend your coaching time on players like Babbar

    And as a selector work with young, exciting talent and groom them to replace players in the current team or players who don't work out. You want time to prove yourself as a coach and a selector, so do players currently in the team. What message does it give when you replace them, without working on improving them as a coach, with not exciting youngsters, but players who have been in the team many time before? What message does it give when you openly talk about giving these players a long rope but not the players who were already playing in the team before? Why don't they deserve a long rope and time under you as a coach? Use the power you have been given wisely. You can make or break this time with your thought process
    Our batting collapsed multiple times at the World Cup which wasnít long ago. The so-called stability of the top-order doesnít hold up against quality attacks.

    Fakhar is a minnow-basher and Imam is far better than what people give him credit for, he has still underperformed against good attacks. Babar has established himself as a world class player but he also needs to do more against the top sides.

    The breakdown of his hundreds against different sides doesnít paint a very pretty picture at this point, but he is the least of our worries anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    The best thing has happened to our cricket that we got exposed badly.
    Blessing in disguise.

    Glad Umar Akmal & Ahmed Shehzad have been exposed so early and so badly.

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    Our approach is wrong because we are deluded. This ďwe are the number 1 teamĒ perception meant that we needed a reality check before realizing that our team is deficient.

    Forget the rankings - any objective individual will come to the conclusion that this team is far from being the best T20 side in the world. It is simply not possible to be the best considering our mediocre pool of players.

    Whether people admit it or not depending on their ego, but a Kohli-less India would have given this Pakistan time a proper thrashing. Basically, it would have been like the Asia Cup 2018.

    We kept advertising our fake ranking that was built by not playing a vastly superior team, and I am sure England would have beaten us over a long series as well.

    We are a deficient team during our so-called streak as well, but those deficiencies were not exposed due to a variety of reasons such as weak opposition, poor performances by opposition teams, some good fortune etc.

    Teams are not built by blindly trusting rankings but by critically analyzing your weaknesses, which we fail to do. That is why we live in a bubble until the bubble bursts. It burst in ODIs in New Zealand in January 2018 and it burst in T20s in South Africa in February 2019.

    But our dramaybaazi didnít end there and we continued to overestimate our mediocre skills. Both the PCB and our fans completely fail at objectively assessing our teamís capabilities because they are incapable of being honest with themselves.

    This delusion that we are (or were) the best T20 side in the world is just one example. I have a full list of our delusions and the myths we believe in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Our batting collapsed multiple times at the World Cup which wasn’t long ago. The so-called stability of the top-order doesn’t hold up against quality attacks.

    Fakhar is a minnow-basher and Imam is far better than what people give him credit for, he has still underperformed against good attacks. Babar has established himself as a world class player but he also needs to do more against the top sides.

    The breakdown of his hundreds against different sides doesn’t paint a very pretty picture at this point, but he is the least of our worries anyway.
    Apart from the obvious West indies match, which match did Pak collapse in? They lost badly to India but which Pak team has not? Apart from that the batting was pretty solid the entire world cup


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    There are some things that numbers will never tell you. That's why we know better than to select Fawad Alam in any format regardless of his mountain of runs. The same applies to Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal. These players are done, no point in selecting then in any format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Apart from the obvious West indies match, which match did Pak collapse in? They lost badly to India but which Pak team has not? Apart from that the batting was pretty solid the entire world cup
    Yes those two games - more precisely the Windies game cost Pakistan the world cup. The batting has been ok for the most part in limited overs.
    What's clear to everyone is that Sarfaraz Ahmed's selection is longer defensible in t20 or odi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Apart from the obvious West indies match, which match did Pak collapse in? They lost badly to India but which Pak team has not? Apart from that the batting was pretty solid the entire world cup
    They bottled the Australia chase after being well placed at 130/2, they tried their best to bottle the Afghanistan chase but the umpires and their captain saved the day.

    Plus the West Indies and India matches. Overall, the batting was shaky more often than not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Our approach is wrong because we are deluded. This “we are the number 1 team” perception meant that we needed a reality check before realizing that our team is deficient.

    Forget the rankings - any objective individual will come to the conclusion that this team is far from being the best T20 side in the world. It is simply not possible to be the best considering our mediocre pool of players.

    Whether people admit it or not depending on their ego, but a Kohli-less India would have given this Pakistan time a proper thrashing. Basically, it would have been like the Asia Cup 2018.

    We kept advertising our fake ranking that was built by not playing a vastly superior team, and I am sure England would have beaten us over a long series as well.

    We are a deficient team during our so-called streak as well, but those deficiencies were not exposed due to a variety of reasons such as weak opposition, poor performances by opposition teams, some good fortune etc.

    Teams are not built by blindly trusting rankings but by critically analyzing your weaknesses, which we fail to do. That is why we live in a bubble until the bubble bursts. It burst in ODIs in New Zealand in January 2018 and it burst in T20s in South Africa in February 2019.

    But our dramaybaazi didn’t end there and we continued to overestimate our mediocre skills. Both the PCB and our fans completely fail at objectively assessing our team’s capabilities because they are incapable of being honest with themselves.

    This delusion that we are (or were) the best T20 side in the world is just one example. I have a full list of our delusions and the myths we believe in.
    Please please POTW LOL. Mamoon you call 26 wins out of 32 games and 11 series win due to luck, good fortune and weak opposition. Good excuses you loser and hater. And no one has been boasting about number 1 ranking its only you that brings it up all the time as it burns you and hurts you to see Pakistan number 1 in the rankings and not your countries India and England who Pakistan beat but oh it was a 1 match series so what we beat them fair and square just like we did in the Champions Trophy and just like the World Cup but yes it's all fluke every Pakistan win is a fluke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    They bottled the Australia chase after being well placed at 130/2, they tried their best to bottle the Afghanistan chase but the umpires and their captain saved the day.

    Plus the West Indies and India matches. Overall, the batting was shaky more often than not.
    Against Australia we scored 300 and that was a collapse for you lol. Didn't your mighty Indian side collapse to Afghanistan too and just about beat them but its fine for everyone else except Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Apart from the obvious West indies match, which match did Pak collapse in? They lost badly to India but which Pak team has not? Apart from that the batting was pretty solid the entire world cup
    Exactly batting wasn't as bad as this Mamoon is making it out to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhan12 View Post
    Against Australia we scored 300 and that was a collapse for you lol. Didn't your mighty Indian side collapse to Afghanistan too and just about beat them but its fine for everyone else except Pakistan.
    No we didnít. Australia scored 300 while we went from 130/2 to 260 all out. That is a collapse by any measure. Yes it is not very dramatic by Pakistani standards, but it is still a collapse.

    And again - juxtaposing our performance with India serves absolutely no purpose. There are a vastly superior team for whom bad performances are the exception. Unfortunately, for us they are the norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhan12 View Post
    Please please POTW LOL. Mamoon you call 26 wins out of 32 games and 11 series win due to luck, good fortune and weak opposition. Good excuses you loser and hater. And no one has been boasting about number 1 ranking its only you that brings it up all the time as it burns you and hurts you to see Pakistan number 1 in the rankings and not your countries India and England who Pakistan beat but oh it was a 1 match series so what we beat them fair and square just like we did in the Champions Trophy and just like the World Cup but yes it's all fluke every Pakistan win is a fluke.
    Yes, you read it right. Let me spell it out to you again:

    Our so-called streak and number 1 ranking was down to a combination of facing weak and underpowered sides and some good fortune. At no point during our unbeaten run were we the best T20 side in the world.

    No one has been boasting about the number ranking? Not true at all. Misbah is clueless at the moment and doesn’t seem to understand why the “number one” team has been thrashed by the Sri Lankan reserves.

    That is the problem - he overestimated the capability of this team buy buying into the myth that be inherited the best T20 team in the world. No he didn’t - he inherited a poor team in all formats.

    You cannot improve unless you have a good measure of where you stand and you have a good measure of what your weaknesses are. Misbah has been found lacking on both fronts.
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    As soon as i heard that misbah had selected Shezad and Umar akmal i knew some thing was wrong. When we shouldve been playing 2 new players somehow misbah got the bright idea of bringing back these 2 TTFs..

    i wasnt surprised tho, he himself said that his approach will bring stability, when i heard that i knew we would be in for a long haul, because misbah only plays the game safe and sound.

    He is not one to take risks which is astonishing since his education is related to business and im sure even he understands the greater the risk the greater the reward. Yet he always plays his cards safely regardless of the situation.

    this was the time to take some risks and try out new young players who Actually have the passion to play for Pakistan, and want to excel at the game. Instead he played it safe he bought back two players who had been tested, failed and tested again. Each player has played over 100 games individually for Pakistan and has yet to show their batting intelligence and in-fact intelligence itself.

    These players have been around for almost a decade and haven't improved what so ever over this period of time. We can argue that they have actually regressed as players. Umar Akmal just looks like a hack as of this moment, time and time again this guy keeps playing across the line and getting out. hasn't learned one thing since his debut.

    Then we have Shezad who if his life depended on it, couldn't hit a ball in the gap to rotate the strike. He cares more of the social aspect of playing the game rather then playing cricket it self. This guy is the epitome of mediocrity, hasn't learned one thing since his debut and in fact keeps playing selfishly, i honestly don't understand what fool called him an aggressive batsman when he was first debuting.
    he cares about posting selfies more then posting centuries.

    Misbah if he doesnt drop these two for good after this series will bring Pakistan back to the Misbah days of odi cricket. Two young batsman should have been played in this t20 series and given all 3 matches. Yet we wasted this opportunity and played these two fools.

    Also Sarfaraz needs to be removed from captaincy and dropped for good. he brings nothing to the table, the team should be looking towards the 2023 WC. Team building should've started this series but instead we took 2 steps back.

    Misbah is to blame who doesn't have the guts to take bold measures it was seen during his tenure as captain and it is blatantly obvious now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    No we didnít. Australia scored 300 while we went from 130/2 to 260 all out. That is a collapse by any measure. Yes it is not very dramatic by Pakistani standards, but it is still a collapse.

    And again - juxtaposing our performance with India serves absolutely no purpose. There are a vastly superior team for whom bad performances are the exception. Unfortunately, for us they are the norm.
    260 is a collapse for you hope we have more collapses like that. When your chasing anything over 300 your bound to collapse towards the end when required run rate gets high. Except the West Indies game and India game our batting was ok and not as bad as you make it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Yes, you read it right. Let me spell it out to you again:

    Our so-called streak and number 1 ranking was down to a combination of facing weak and underpowered sides and some good fortune. At no point during our unbeaten run were we the best T20 side in the world.

    No one has been boasting about the number ranking? Not true at all. Misbah is clueless at the moment and doesn’t seem to understand why the “number one” team has been thrashed by the Sri Lankan reserves.

    That is the problem - he overestimated the capability of this team buy buying into the myth that be inherited the best T20 team in the world. No he didn’t - he inherited a poor team in all formats.

    You cannot improve unless you have a good measure of where you stand and you have a good measure of what your weaknesses are. Misbah has been found lacking on both fronts.
    No their was no good fortune or weak side. We beat your favourite England so stop your lies. How can a team fluke 11 series in a row. Seriously keep pleasing yourself with your rubbish you just making a fool of yourself. Grow up and stop this trolling.
    And same thing can be said that this series wasn't our best side.

    And stop your theories and rubbish. Misbah didn't over estimate nothing he just brought in players who never should been in squad which cost Pakstan big times.

    All I can say you must be happy with Misbah as we will just go backwards now under him.

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    Pakistan should play this in T20:

    Babar (c)
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    Hussain Talat/Haris
    Ifthikhar
    Asif Ali/Faheem
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    Imad
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    Wahab/Shinwari/Hasnain
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    Shaheen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    Pakistan should play this in T20:

    Babar (c)
    Fakhar
    Hussain Talat/Haris
    Ifthikhar
    Asif Ali/Faheem
    Rizwan (wk)
    Imad
    Shadab
    Wahab/Shinwari/Hasnain
    Amir
    Shaheen.
    Seniors Hafeez, Malik will come back to rescue this so called "inexperienced" team.

    So replace Ifti + Asif with Hafeez + Malik and you have your team against Australia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    @Syed1 and he thinks he gave chances to younger players . thats worrying signs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    That reminds of Misbah's captaincy era.... when he used to refer to 30-32 year old Azhar and Asad as youngsters


    Somebody call Mickey and ask him to come back.
    That's the biggest Myth, it was Islamabad United scout team who hand picked youngsters for him...

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    Misbah is a shameless individual.

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    Meanwhile, Rizwan scored another century in QeA trophy
    Haider Ali scored another century.

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    This T20 series was a great chance to try new players instead you play Sarfaraz, Akmal, Shehzad and other tried and failed players. We seem terribly prepared for next years WC.


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    there were less defieciencies until you decided to bring the players with deficiencies back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    This T20 series was a great chance to try new players instead you play Sarfaraz, Akmal, Shehzad and other tried and failed players. We seem terribly prepared for next years WC.
    Such a shame. After the World Cup I was hopeful we be going in right direction but its going to be a torture for a year or 2 now with Misbah as selector and coach. All he will do bring in oldies and say he's giving chances. Won't be surprised if Azhar Ali or Shafiq make a return in ODIs in future under Misbah.

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    So according to him Shehzad, Umar Akmal, Fahim,Asif, Wahab are new young players. With his statement he will not give opportunity to any new player.
    Only way we can get rid of him by sacking Wasim Khan who select Misbah with qualify the criteria.

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    I'm gonna be honest, I just read the full thing and it's pretty good, if he sticks to his words. He said this before this series to but it didn't happen. Maybe he's learned his lesson and will pick good players.

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    I honestly think this series is a blessing in disguise for Pakistan cricket. (not joking )

    1. This series has all but made sure that Akmal and Shehzad are absolutely done and dusted in international cricket and no-one will ever dare to ask for their inclusion in the future.

    2. It has exposed Pakistan's weaknesses a year before the world cup , so you've got all the time and resources to rectify the shortcomings.

    3. This series was a major success in a cricketing point of view and projected a good image for International Cricket in Pakistan. So , most likely more teams would show willingness to tour Pakistan.

    So, you see ... Not all is doom and gloom.

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    He will talk the right words but do the wrong things. That is how he deceived ppl to reach this chair and where he is now.

    Clueless as he was ever since his captaincy days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesozoic View Post
    I honestly think this series is a blessing in disguise for Pakistan cricket. (not joking )

    1. This series has all but made sure that Akmal and Shehzad are absolutely done and dusted in international cricket and no-one will ever dare to ask for their inclusion in the future.

    2. It has exposed Pakistan's weaknesses a year before the world cup , so you've got all the time and resources to rectify the shortcomings.

    3. This series was a major success in a cricketing point of view and projected a good image for International Cricket in Pakistan. So , most likely more teams would show willingness to tour Pakistan.

    So, you see ... Not all is doom and gloom.
    I would have agreed if this was not Misbah as chief selector and coach.

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    Misbah has been given the responsibility to destroy Pakistan cricket. He has started his job with a bang

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    By the bye, when Rahat, Anwar, Bhatti, Asad, Azhar are coming back in ODIs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir-fraz View Post
    As soon as i heard that misbah had selected Shezad and Umar akmal i knew some thing was wrong. When we shouldve been playing 2 new players somehow misbah got the bright idea of bringing back these 2 TTFs..

    i wasnt surprised tho, he himself said that his approach will bring stability, when i heard that i knew we would be in for a long haul, because misbah only plays the game safe and sound.

    He is not one to take risks which is astonishing since his education is related to business and im sure even he understands the greater the risk the greater the reward. Yet he always plays his cards safely regardless of the situation.

    this was the time to take some risks and try out new young players who Actually have the passion to play for Pakistan, and want to excel at the game. Instead he played it safe he bought back two players who had been tested, failed and tested again. Each player has played over 100 games individually for Pakistan and has yet to show their batting intelligence and in-fact intelligence itself.

    These players have been around for almost a decade and haven't improved what so ever over this period of time. We can argue that they have actually regressed as players. Umar Akmal just looks like a hack as of this moment, time and time again this guy keeps playing across the line and getting out. hasn't learned one thing since his debut.

    Then we have Shezad who if his life depended on it, couldn't hit a ball in the gap to rotate the strike. He cares more of the social aspect of playing the game rather then playing cricket it self. This guy is the epitome of mediocrity, hasn't learned one thing since his debut and in fact keeps playing selfishly, i honestly don't understand what fool called him an aggressive batsman when he was first debuting.
    he cares about posting selfies more then posting centuries.

    Misbah if he doesnt drop these two for good after this series will bring Pakistan back to the Misbah days of odi cricket. Two young batsman should have been played in this t20 series and given all 3 matches. Yet we wasted this opportunity and played these two fools.

    Also Sarfaraz needs to be removed from captaincy and dropped for good. he brings nothing to the table, the team should be looking towards the 2023 WC. Team building should've started this series but instead we took 2 steps back.

    Misbah is to blame who doesn't have the guts to take bold measures it was seen during his tenure as captain and it is blatantly obvious now.
    Misbah's problem is he gets stuck on players. Once he decides on a player he just wants that player. Example is Shoaib Malik he played Shoaib for almost 2 years of failures until finally Shoaib made a few good scores against Zimbabwe and became a Pakistan Regular.

    Asad Shafiq is another Example Asad Shafiq was preferred over Fawad Alam and even now he is a highly unreliable batsman (who can only just play one format of Cricket)

    Umar Akmal, Ahmed Shehzad, Shan Masood, Asif Ali, Rahat Ali are all Misbah Favorites (Who don't really deserve a place in the Side)

    Ahmed Shehzad is actually a Test player, He is for sure not a good T20 choice.

    However it cost Pakistan 2 matches but it was hilarious to watch Umar Akmal get Out first ball not once but TWICE. A blessing in Disguise for sure

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    So Iím guessing he will call back Azhar Ali and Shafiq to T20 Squad vs Australia lol ? Misbah is pathetic and he is Pakistan Cricket version of Nawaz Sherif (Corrupted)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazzam View Post
    I would have agreed if this was not Misbah as chief selector and coach.
    Why ? What's wrong with Misbah ?

    I've heard many times here on PP that he was Pakistan's best test captain ever and has great understanding of the game. So, he may not turn out as bad a coach as people here think he will.

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    It's scary that fans could see the deficiencies well before a highly paid coach/chief selector could. It goes to show the level of understanding our ex-players have of the game.


    ďI've never lost a game I just ran out of time.Ē Micheal Jordan

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    The biggest deficiency is the coach/chief selector himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I have a full list of our delusions and the myths we believe in.
    Lol I'd like to see that list or at least some parts of it. Does it extend to matters beyond cricket as well? If that's the case then I guess it will be very long.


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