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    Call from an Indian Call Centre

    Eariler this afternoon I recieved a call on my landline from an Indian call centre.

    An Indian chap with a strong Indian accent told me there is an emergency and I need to act quickly.

    Me: What's the problem?

    Indian operator: Sir, your IP address has been comprimised.

    Me: No way, how is this possible?

    Indian operator: Sir, people have access to your IP address and unless you fix this now they will use it to do things and you will be in trouble.

    Me: What things?

    Indian Operator: Many things sir, you need to act now.

    Me: Where are you calling from?

    Indian Operator: BT

    Me: But im not with BT.

    Indian Operator: It doesn't matter sir, you need to act now. Please turn on your computer.

    Me: Where are you based?

    Indian Operator: In London.

    Me: But you are Indian

    Indian Operator: Yes sir but Im in London, please turn on your computer.

    Me: Sure but first tell me are you a BJP voter?

    Indian Operator: Sir this is not why Im calling, is your computer on?

    Me: Are you not supposed to tell me that? ;)

    Indian Operator: Sir if you turn your computer on I will help you download an application which will protect your IP address.

    Me: Ok sure, hold on. Im just making a pot of fantastic tea. Can you give you me your number and I will call you back after my tea?

    Phone disconnected.

    If anyone get such a call, just hang up and report it to.

    https://community.bt.com/t5/Landline...e/td-p/1928248



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    People from Indian(scam calls) are even calling us Canadians informing that warrant have been issued unless we pay off our outstanding balance that we owe to CRA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    People from Indian(scam calls) are even calling us Canadians informing that warrant have been issued unless we pay off our outstanding balance that we owe to CRA.
    CRA?

    The guy wasn't even any good. You could hear fans in the background with all sorts of Indian voices. Im sure some people have falled for such scams but you really have to be naive.


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    Must watch video, they tried to scam an ethical hacker and he hacked the scammers webcam and location.



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    I get call from India about lowering my credit call interest rate. I just play with them and bring their religion and family into the conversation and they hang up. Last week they started calling me about my Social Security number being used for fraudulent activity in Mexico and it has been canceled.
    Most of the times these calls are irritating because they come up as a local number on my cell phone, but when I have time I have fun with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Eariler this afternoon I recieved a call on my landline from an Indian call centre.

    An Indian chap with a strong Indian accent told me there is an emergency and I need to act quickly.

    Me: What's the problem?

    Indian operator: Sir, your IP address has been comprimised.

    Me: No way, how is this possible?

    Indian operator: Sir, people have access to your IP address and unless you fix this now they will use it to do things and you will be in trouble.

    Me: What things?

    Indian Operator: Many things sir, you need to act now.

    Me: Where are you calling from?

    Indian Operator: BT

    Me: But im not with BT.

    Indian Operator: It doesn't matter sir, you need to act now. Please turn on your computer.

    Me: Where are you based?

    Indian Operator: In London.

    Me: But you are Indian

    Indian Operator: Yes sir but Im in London, please turn on your computer.

    Me: Sure but first tell me are you a BJP voter?

    Indian Operator: Sir this is not why Im calling, is your computer on?

    Me: Are you not supposed to tell me that? ;)

    Indian Operator: Sir if you turn your computer on I will help you download an application which will protect your IP address.

    Me: Ok sure, hold on. Im just making a pot of fantastic tea. Can you give you me your number and I will call you back after my tea?

    Phone disconnected.

    If anyone get such a call, just hang up and report it to.

    https://community.bt.com/t5/Landline...e/td-p/1928248

    You are seriously obsessed with India, starting numerous threads about negative things about India you find on the internet.

    The largest scam (other than the relentless Nigerians and some very sophisticated Eastern Europeans) was Axact. Pretty impossible for a Brit posting to a forum "call on my landline from an Indian call centre" to know which South Asian country (if at all it was South Asia) the call was coming from given that phone numbers can be spoofed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdman View Post
    I get call from India about lowering my credit call interest rate. I just play with them and bring their religion and family into the conversation and they hang up. Last week they started calling me about my Social Security number being used for fraudulent activity in Mexico and it has been canceled.
    Most of the times these calls are irritating because they come up as a local number on my cell phone, but when I have time I have fun with them.
    Unfortunately, somebody I know (an elderly lady) got conned last month. Got a call saying you have not paid your taxes and IRS has sent Sheriff Deputies to arrest you. They had her on the phone for 3 hours, she went to the bank, took cash out then went to a nearby Target, bought Visa gift cards and gave them the giftcard numbers on the phone. She is a retired school teacher but still fell for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    You are seriously obsessed with India, starting numerous threads about negative things about India you find on the internet.

    The largest scam (other than the relentless Nigerians and some very sophisticated Eastern Europeans) was Axact. Pretty impossible for a Brit posting to a forum "call on my landline from an Indian call centre" to know which South Asian country the call was coming from given that phone numbers can be spoofed.
    lol An Indian called me not the other way round.

    After the call I did a web search and others have said the same , it was an Indian call centre. See link provided.

    Its important to make people aware of such scams, stop being so sensitive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Eariler this afternoon I recieved a call on my landline from an Indian call centre.

    An Indian chap with a strong Indian accent told me there is an emergency and I need to act quickly.

    Me: What's the problem?

    Indian operator: Sir, your IP address has been comprimised.

    Me: No way, how is this possible?

    Indian operator: Sir, people have access to your IP address and unless you fix this now they will use it to do things and you will be in trouble.

    Me: What things?

    Indian Operator: Many things sir, you need to act now.

    Me: Where are you calling from?

    Indian Operator: BT

    Me: But im not with BT.

    Indian Operator: It doesn't matter sir, you need to act now. Please turn on your computer.

    Me: Where are you based?

    Indian Operator: In London.

    Me: But you are Indian

    Indian Operator: Yes sir but Im in London, please turn on your computer.

    Me: Sure but first tell me are you a BJP voter?

    Indian Operator: Sir this is not why Im calling, is your computer on?

    Me: Are you not supposed to tell me that? ;)

    Indian Operator: Sir if you turn your computer on I will help you download an application which will protect your IP address.

    Me: Ok sure, hold on. Im just making a pot of fantastic tea. Can you give you me your number and I will call you back after my tea?

    Phone disconnected.

    If anyone get such a call, just hang up and report it to.

    https://community.bt.com/t5/Landline...e/td-p/1928248

    Seem like you got under the skin of few Indians by posting this hilarious conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cric_man View Post
    Unfortunately, somebody I know (an elderly lady) got conned last month. Got a call saying you have not paid your taxes and IRS has sent Sheriff Deputies to arrest you. They had her on the phone for 3 hours, she went to the bank, took cash out then went to a nearby Target, bought Visa gift cards and gave them the giftcard numbers on the phone. She is a retired school teacher but still fell for it
    Official government business is always done through mail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kk1992 View Post
    Seem like you got under the skin of few Indians by posting this hilarious conversation.
    Not sure why, this is a well known scam it seems and Indians have been doing such scams for a long time now. Of course it's not just Indians but they seem to be very busy atm.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    You are seriously obsessed with India, starting numerous threads about negative things about India you find on the internet.

    The largest scam (other than the relentless Nigerians and some very sophisticated Eastern Europeans) was Axact. Pretty impossible for a Brit posting to a forum "call on my landline from an Indian call centre" to know which South Asian country (if at all it was South Asia) the call was coming from given that phone numbers can be spoofed.
    I understand this guy is little obsessed with India, but he has merit for this thread. The amount of scam calls we get from Indian call centers it unbearable. What are local authorizes doing about these scams. Pretty soon India is going to overtake West Africa as the scam capital of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    lol An Indian called me not the other way round.

    After the call I did a web search and others have said the same , it was an Indian call centre. See link provided.

    Its important to make people aware of such scams, stop being so sensitive.
    What link?

    Most scammers use the internet to get free phone numbers. It is possible to get any US number for example from a service called textnow if you have an internet connection.

    Where is the evidence that the call originated from India other than a random Brit posting on a forum saying that it was from India. I assume if you are conspiracy minded, that is all the evidence you need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdman View Post
    I understand this guy is little obsessed with India, but he has merit for this thread. The amount of scam calls we get from Indian call centers it unbearable. What are local authorizes doing about these scams. Pretty soon India is going to overtake West Africa as the scam capital of the world.
    How do you know they are actually from India and not Pakistan?

    It is more likely to be Pakistan given that Pakistan has a poor record of jailing such scammers.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1440824

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    What link?

    Most scammers use the internet to get free phone numbers. It is possible to get any US number for example from a service called textnow if you have an internet connection.

    Where is the evidence that the call originated from India other than a random Brit posting on a forum saying that it was from India. I assume if you are conspiracy minded, that is all the evidence you need.

    See this video.





    Seems as if this thread ruffled your feathers and your utopian idea of mera bharat mahaan seems to be shattering. It is well established fact that Indians are at the forefront of internet scamming.

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    Lol an Indian getting bent out of shape.

    This is hilarious.

    If we were to dig online scammer coming out of India then India will win in that category.

    lol lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    What link?

    Most scammers use the internet to get free phone numbers. It is possible to get any US number for example from a service called textnow if you have an internet connection.

    Where is the evidence that the call originated from India other than a random Brit posting on a forum saying that it was from India. I assume if you are conspiracy minded, that is all the evidence you need.
    https://community.bt.com/t5/Landline...e/td-p/1928248

    Why would I look for evidence? lol

    Indian speaker with Indians in the background and this scam is nothing new. They could be calling from Mars but imo it was from India. If you dont think so, your choice.


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    Thick Indian accent usually gives it away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    How do you know they are actually from India and not Pakistan?

    It is more likely to be Pakistan given that Pakistan has a poor record of jailing such scammers.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1440824
    I can understand their accent and they curse me in Hindi when I bring their family into the conversation. I don't understand Hindi and can't differentiate between Hindi and Urdu, but it sure does sounds like Hindi to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    See this video.





    Seems as if this thread ruffled your feathers and your utopian idea of mera bharat mahaan seems to be shattering. It is well established fact that Indians are at the forefront of internet scamming.
    Stupid fake videos like these can be easily made.

    I have a bit more faith in the New York Times than some random youtube account.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/18/w...a-barkley.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/11/w...gree-scam.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/19/w...-tv-axact.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/03/w...nse-axact.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    CRA?

    The guy wasn't even any good. You could hear fans in the background with all sorts of Indian voices. Im sure some people have falled for such scams but you really have to be naive.
    Canada Revenue Agency.

    Funny thing is CRA never communicates over the phone. They always send paper mail to the registered address regards to account statement. Sadly, many people mostly seniors have fallen prey to this scam. Lately, I’m getting calls from Philippines regarding buying protection services for my credit card. I just wish they just stop calling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdman View Post
    I can understand their accent and they curse me in Hindi when I bring their family into the conversation. I don't understand Hindi and can't differentiate between Hindi and Urdu, but it sure does sounds like Hindi to me.
    You can't differentiate between Hindi and Urdu, but you know it is Hindi and not Urdu. Got it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post

    Oh really you trust New York Times..... care to comment on these articles:

    In Kashmir, a Race Against Death, With No Way to Call a Doctor
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/w...ors-phone.html


    In Kashmir, Growing Anger and Misery
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/w...wn-photos.html


    Abused by Soldiers and Militants, Kashmiris Face Dangers in Daily Life
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/15/w...militants.html



    Checkmate son.


    Come on next player please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    You can't differentiate between Hindi and Urdu, but you know it is Hindi and not Urdu. Got it...
    But I did not say I cannot differentiate Indian and Pakistani accent. These guys are north Indians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musakhel View Post
    Thick Indian accent usually gives it away.
    Always.

    Can detect Indian accent miles away just like Indian curry.

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    @Napa

    Here. It seems this is a big issue.

    More than 50 people have been arrested in India for their alleged involvement in fake security warning scams.

    The New York Times said that Delhi police made the arrests during raids on 26 call centres linked to the scams.

    Software giant Microsoft helped police trace who was behind the large-scale operations.

    It said it received more than 11,000 calls per month about fake security warnings and that many people lost significant sums to the fraudsters.

    "This is an organised crime," Courtney Gregoire, an assistant general counsel in Microsoft's digital crimes unit told the US newspaper.

    Microsoft has estimated that fraudsters make about $1.5bn (£1.2bn) a year through fake Windows support calls.

    Raids on 16 call centres were carried out
    this week and, earlier in November, another 10 locations were visited by police.

    The raids were prompted by Microsoft filing complaints with local police in New Delhi about call centres it claimed were involved in the fraudulent operations.

    Typically, said Microsoft, attempts to trick people revolved around pop-up warnings that falsely claimed that a person's computer was infected with a virus.

    Fixing the non-existent virus could involve ringing a tech support centre. An operator would talk a victim through a fake fix and then charge them for the work.

    In another version of the scam, staff at call centres claimed to be calling from Windows official support saying they had spotted that a person's computer has been hacked or harboured a virus. Again, victims were expected to pay to fix the non-existent problem.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46357007

    More than enough evidence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kk1992 View Post
    Official government business is always done through mail.
    Exactly, she has been told that in the past as well...

    unfortunately a lot of elderly & retired people get scammed like that.
    For us it is just an annoyance, but she got swindled out of 20k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdman View Post
    But I did not say I cannot differentiate Indian and Pakistani accent. These guys are north Indians.
    You are just making up stuff now. There is nothing like "North Indian accent". The accent of Punjabis, UPites, Jharkhandis, Bengalis, Maithilis are very different though they are all North India.

    I can make out the difference between Bengali accent and a Punjabi accent but cannot make out the difference between an Indian Punjabi accent and a Pakistani Punjabi accent. I have met many Punjabi shopkeepers and restaurant waiters in Europe and the US, but have never been able to tell whether they are from India or from Pakistan.

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    I believe in case of Pakistan, the widely spread scam is in health sector. The amount of fake doctors that I've seen in various incidents is not only alarming but is much severe especially to the people from poor backgrounds.

    You can laugh at India all you want. But it is time, one should take proper course of action about these fake doctors which seems wide spread.
    Last edited by Itachi; 11th October 2019 at 00:07.

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    Not just this. Indians are well known for many other scams including the H1B cons.

    At my workplace they found several Indian IT contractors who knew nothing abt what was claimed on their CV and the work was somehow getting done remotely supervised and coordinated by their “resident Gurru”, who was also present in the office. All of them were kicked out. (Axact is peanuts compared to these Indian fraudsters).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    I believe in case of Pakistan, the widely spread scam is in health sector. The amount of fake doctors that I've seen in various incidents is not only alarming but is much severe especially to the people from poor backgrounds.

    You can laugh at India all you want. But it is time, one should take proper course of action about these fake doctors which seems wide spread.
    India has Pakistani doctors working?

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    I have received many such calls. 98% of them are definitely Indian.

    'Sir you have a wirus on your PC and I need to remotely connect to it to remove it' - all said in a thick Indian accent. He will call as Sam, but in reality he is Sivaramakrishnan.

    I usually play along as it is quite fun. Always a good laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kk1992 View Post
    India has Pakistani doctors working?
    Read the first sentence carefully. **in case of Pakistan **

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    Quote Originally Posted by kk1992 View Post
    Always.

    Can detect Indian accent miles away just like Indian curry.
    Lol, very true. (That said, many of us Pakistanis sound very similar)

    Once i had a call from “John from Barclays” but i somehow knew that it’s a Bihari on the other end. I gave him a good dose before putting the phone down. The guy took it to heart and called me back to take revenge. LOL felt like i was exchanging dialogues from the movie Dabang!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    Read the first sentence carefully. **in case of Pakistan **
    Yup! Pakistan has that issue and needs to be tackled.

    But the thread is about Indian trying to scam westerners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    You are seriously obsessed with India, starting numerous threads about negative things about India you find on the internet.

    The largest scam (other than the relentless Nigerians and some very sophisticated Eastern Europeans) was Axact. Pretty impossible for a Brit posting to a forum "call on my landline from an Indian call centre" to know which South Asian country (if at all it was South Asia) the call was coming from given that phone numbers can be spoofed.
    Axact was in a different kind of scam business than Indian call centers. Indian call centers are scamming innocent individuals, while Axact was providing fake degrees to people that wanted the fake degrees.

    I was a victim of a low-level scam, which piqued my interest in researching them and tracking them down. As for you not being sure where the scams are originating from, if you watch the media and youtube channels dedicated to this issue, they are almost all confirmed to be in India. Look at this channel on youtube with 400k+ subscribers:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBN...AprVcZZ3ic84vw

    He tracks down scammers and almost all of them are from India.

    Then you have media tracking down the scammers in India: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGiznJMGM-0

    You are making a false equivalence in either case. FBI, RCMP, British law enforcement have tracked down almost all these scammers that call people to India. There might be 1-2% scammers that originate from Pakistan, but you can't use that to give yourself plausible deniability since, as mentioned, worldwide law enforcement have tracked them down to India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight_Rider View Post
    Lol, very true. (That said, many of us Pakistanis sound very similar)

    Once i had a call from “John from Barclays” but i somehow knew that it’s a Bihari on the other end. I gave him a good dose before putting the phone down. The guy took it to heart and called me back to take revenge. LOL felt like i was exchanging dialogues from the movie Dabang!
    No! fresh Indian accent is totally different than Pakistani fresh accent.

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    Oh yeah , its soo much fun messing with gangus traing to scam you .


    you really can't beat the game. If you earn anything, it's minus taxes. If you buy anything it's plus taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kk1992 View Post
    Yup! Pakistan has that issue and needs to be tackled.

    But the thread is about Indian trying to scam westerners.
    Then bash them all you want. I too hate these kind of scammers who takes advantage of especially older people who isn't proficient with technologies. What's wrong is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kk1992 View Post
    Yup! Pakistan has that issue and needs to be tackled.

    But the thread is about Indian trying to scam westerners.
    They are trying to make a false equivalence. Western law enforcement has over and over tracked down almost all call centers scam to India. A few percent might be operating from Pakistan, but it's disingenuous to use that to imply an equivalence. Even western law enforcement doesn't buy this false equivalence.

    As mentioned in my previous post, I have piqued interest in call center scams because of being a victim of a low-level scam myself, and because of getting a ton of such calls. There are several channels dedicated to this on youtube: Jim Browning, Kitboga, lot of CBC marketplace videos, few that I am forgetting. All these channels inevitably land on India, but the Indians here want to confuse you because 1-2% of the scams might not originate from India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    Axact was in a different kind of scam business than Indian call centers. Indian call centers are scamming innocent individuals, while Axact was providing fake degrees to people that wanted the fake degrees.

    I was a victim of a low-level scam, which piqued my interest in researching them and tracking them down. As for you not being sure where the scams are originating from, if you watch the media and youtube channels dedicated to this issue, they are almost all confirmed to be in India. Look at this channel on youtube with 400k+ subscribers:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBN...AprVcZZ3ic84vw

    He tracks down scammers and almost all of them are from India.

    Then you have media tracking down the scammers in India: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGiznJMGM-0

    You are making a false equivalence in either case. FBI, RCMP, British law enforcement have tracked down almost all these scammers that call people to India. There might be 1-2% scammers that originate from Pakistan, but you can't use that to give yourself plausible deniability since, as mentioned, worldwide law enforcement have tracked them down to India.
    Man, one must appreciate for setting the record straight but do you think the person you are trying to explain, which 99.9% on this thread already knew, did not already know that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kk1992 View Post
    Man, one must appreciate for setting the record straight but do you think the person you are trying to explain, which 99.9% on this thread already knew, did not already know that?
    Check earlier videos of IRLRosie. She trolls the scammers in a very funny way.

    https://youtu.be/k_3iESKDVWY

    Watch it. Its very funny lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kk1992 View Post
    Man, one must appreciate for setting the record straight but do you think the person you are trying to explain, which 99.9% on this thread already knew, did not already know that?
    They probably know, but I am guessing they are trying to confuse people here. The sad thing is, most people that have got these calls and/or have been victims of such scams, as well as law enforcement from western countries, know that these scams have originated from India. So the posters here trying to confuse people here will only confuse this forum. Law enforcement, the victims, and the people interested in cracking down on these scams already know they are from primarily from India.

    I think one channel that everyone should check out is Jim Browning: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBN...AprVcZZ3ic84vw

    The way he meticulously tracks down scammers and goes above and beyond what most people can do (i.e. just waste scammers' time) is quite impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Eariler this afternoon I recieved a call on my landline from an Indian call centre.

    An Indian chap with a strong Indian accent told me there is an emergency and I need to act quickly.

    Me: What's the problem?

    Indian operator: Sir, your IP address has been comprimised.

    Me: No way, how is this possible?

    Indian operator: Sir, people have access to your IP address and unless you fix this now they will use it to do things and you will be in trouble.

    Me: What things?

    Indian Operator: Many things sir, you need to act now.

    Me: Where are you calling from?

    Indian Operator: BT

    Me: But im not with BT.

    Indian Operator: It doesn't matter sir, you need to act now. Please turn on your computer.

    Me: Where are you based?

    Indian Operator: In London.

    Me: But you are Indian

    Indian Operator: Yes sir but Im in London, please turn on your computer.

    Me: Sure but first tell me are you a BJP voter?

    Indian Operator: Sir this is not why Im calling, is your computer on?

    Me: Are you not supposed to tell me that? ;)

    Indian Operator: Sir if you turn your computer on I will help you download an application which will protect your IP address.

    Me: Ok sure, hold on. Im just making a pot of fantastic tea. Can you give you me your number and I will call you back after my tea?

    Phone disconnected.

    If anyone get such a call, just hang up and report it to.

    https://community.bt.com/t5/Landline...e/td-p/1928248

    Lolz funny one. Between dnt people ask you questions like you belong to islamic Nation. So do you believe in secular Nation. Should islamic countries also become secular etc etc. Trust me these questions like BJP etc are like abcd in front of the questions which cud be asked to you.
    The only thing is we dnt become that much desperate.

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    I love it when you get a call from a contact centre that is obviously in Mumbai and the bloke introduces himself as “Dave”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akki malhotra View Post
    Lolz funny one. Between dnt people ask you questions like you belong to islamic Nation. So do you believe in secular Nation. Should islamic countries also become secular etc etc. Trust me these questions like BJP etc are like abcd in front of the questions which cud be asked to you.
    The only thing is we dnt become that much desperate.
    lol. I dont call up random people to scam them. I think he was a BJP supporter from his intellect.

    Be careful, dont fall for it !

    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    I love it when you get a call from a contact centre that is obviously in Mumbai and the bloke introduces himself as “Dave”

    Everyone has a mate called Dave

    I once asked (legit contact centre) 'Dave' to tell his real name as Im Asian and will have no problem prounnoucing it. He said no it is 'Dave'. Perhaps they are told to call people with fake names?


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    Government should be more proactive in dealing with these thieves, bloody low lives. Want to solve a problem, first admit there is a problem. There is no need to get defensive, some of us here know how to avoid these crooks but many fall prey. I am surprised this doesn't attract enough attention in Parliament, our credibility takes a hit because of this and here we want to point out equivalent examples in Nigeria and Pakistan .

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    Quote Originally Posted by from_da_lost_dim3nsion View Post
    Oh yeah , its soo much fun messing with gangus traing to scam you .
    Gangus? First time hearing this term.

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    The scams that originate from Nigeria and Eastern Europe are of different kind. Usually it involves sending an email to someone instead of calling them. And some of them involve ads on websites for selling or renting things that the scammers don't own (obviously).

    The scam that involve calling people, as well as Microsoft/Google/Apple/HP/Dell etc tech support scams are almost exclusively out of India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    The scams that originate from Nigeria and Eastern Europe are of different kind. Usually it involves sending an email to someone instead of calling them. And some of them involve ads on websites for selling or renting things that the scammers don't own (obviously).

    The scam that involve calling people, as well as Microsoft/Google/Apple/HP/Dell etc tech support scams are almost exclusively out of India.
    Latest one is "Sim Swap". Look it up

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    Every heard of IRS scam calls? Most of them originate from India and sometimes from other smaller Asian nations.

    There are tons of scam artists in India who know how to get money from gullible American and European people (especially older folks).

    I also received a few calls. Not for IRS purposes. They were selling me car insurance and wanted my SSN and Bank Account number. He got an earful from me. It ended with Ma Behen galiyan.

    A couple of years ago, these scam centers in Pune, Maharashtra were busted. They were run by Gujjus iirc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kk1992 View Post
    Latest one is "Sim Swap". Look it up
    Yes, they come up with new ones all the time. The youtube channel to find all the different variety of scams is kitboga. He primarily wastes scammers' time and is very good at it. You can see all the variety and how the scammers make up ** and prey on fear.

    Another thing to add - the scams that originate out of Pakistan are way down the list in terms of frequency. India is the leader, then there's daylight, and then there's Nigeria and Eastern Europe. Then there is more daylight, and then you might find Pakistan. Here I am talking about scams that target innocent and vulnerable individuals, not companies that falsify credentials for you.
    Last edited by ahsan17; 11th October 2019 at 01:23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    Yes, they come up with new ones all the time. The youtube channel to find all the different variety of scams is kitboga. He primarily wastes scammers' time and is very good at it. You can see all the variety and how the scammers make up ** and prey on fear.

    Another thing to add - the scams that originate out of Pakistan are way down the list in terms of frequency. India is the leader, then there's daylight, and then there's Nigeria and Eastern Europe. Then there is more daylight, and then you might find Pakistan. Here I am talking about scams that target innocent and vulnerable individuals, not companies that falsify credentials for you.
    This is a popular one from Morroco.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37735369


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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Every heard of IRS scam calls? Most of them originate from India and sometimes from other smaller Asian nations.

    There are tons of scam artists in India who know how to get money from gullible American and European people (especially older folks).

    I also received a few calls. Not for IRS purposes. They were selling me car insurance and wanted my SSN and Bank Account number. He got an earful from me. It ended with Ma Behen galiyan.

    A couple of years ago, these scam centers in Pune, Maharashtra were busted. They were run by Gujjus iirc.
    IRS and social security scammers in the US, and CRA scammers in Canada, usually are the same people and demand money otherwise person on the call will get arrested and their accounts suspended whatnot. A lot of people still fall for it, unfortunately, especially older ones (as you mention).

    They used to call me quite often, but I have trolled them enough that they haven't called me in several months now.

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    lol why is @Napa getting his lungi in a twist

    Indian call center scams are well known but its hardly anything to be embarrassed about as an Indian and neither does it reflect on the country. So @Napa should just chill. India being the most frequent origination country for such calls is simply the size of India.

    I got one few months ago from 'IRS' saying my Social Security was compromised. He had a clearly fake American accent but when I asked a few questions he got nervous and his Indian accent started coming out. Poor guys aren't even allowed to end calls so I ended his misery. Obviously I did not need to post this in a thread though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    I love it when you get a call from a contact centre that is obviously in Mumbai and the bloke introduces himself as “Dave”
    haha the one I mentioned above I think the guy was named Justin. Tho tbf he could be Indian christian person so no guarantee name is fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    lol why is @Napa getting his lungi in a twist

    Indian call center scams are well known but its hardly anything to be embarrassed about as an Indian and neither does it reflect on the country. So @Napa should just chill. India being the most frequent origination country for such calls is simply the size of India.

    I got one few months ago from 'IRS' saying my Social Security was compromised. He had a clearly fake American accent but when I asked a few questions he got nervous and his Indian accent started coming out. Poor guys aren't even allowed to end calls so I ended his misery. Obviously I did not need to post this in a thread though.
    How important is the social security number in the US? Ive heard of other scams where people obtain this from Americans.


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    A few weeks ago I got a call from CRA, it was an automated message which said my social insurance number has been used for a massive money laundering scam and the CRA is going to initiate lawsuit against me, in order to prevent it and get further information dial 1.

    I hung up because it was an obvious scam, I wish I had the free time to dial 1 and play along with the scammer who would obviously have been Indian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    How important is the social security number in the US? Ive heard of other scams where people obtain this from Americans.
    Your social insurance can be used to basically steal your identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Your social insurance can be used to basically steal your identity.
    Thanks. We have a national security number but you cant do anything with it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    How important is the social security number in the US? Ive heard of other scams where people obtain this from Americans.
    It is de-facto your National ID number. if you have Name/SSN/Birthdate , you can open bank accounts, take out loans etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by cric_man View Post
    It is de-facto your National ID number. if you have Name/SSN/Birthdate , you can open bank accounts, take out loans etc
    Surely you need photo I.D to open a bank account? Passport/Driving licence?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Surely you need photo I.D to open a bank account? Passport/Driving licence?
    I am not sure about bank accounts but they can definitely open credit cards with SIN/SSN, name and DOB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    I am not sure about bank accounts but they can definitely open credit cards with SIN/SSN, name and DOB.
    But the credit card would be sent to the home address of the legitimate person? It then needs to be activated by calling the provider who will go through some security checks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Surely you need photo I.D to open a bank account? Passport/Driving licence?
    You can create a fake photo id your face, my info.

    Spear phishing. You can open online account. Even Paypal requires less than 2 mins and get a Paypal line of credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    But the credit card would be sent to the home address of the legitimate person? It then needs to be activated by calling the provider who will go through some security checks.
    No, they can input whatever delivery address they want, and then activate it themselves.

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    https://www.lifelock.com/learn-ident...ty-number.html

    5 Kinds of ID Theft Using a Social Security Number
    Written by Alison Grace Johansen for Symantec
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    With the Equifax breach still fresh in our minds, many of us are wondering if our finances—let alone our identities—are safe and secure. If you’re one of the 145.5 million potential victims of the 2017 Equifax data breach, the hackers may have the so-called skeleton key to your finances and, ultimately, your identity: your one and only Social Security number.

    What exactly can a thief do with your Social Security number? The answer isn’t pretty, especially if they also have access to other personal data, as the Equifax hackers may.

    Whether you’ve had your Social Security number stolen or are trying to keep it secure, it’s important to know what criminals can do with it, so you know how to recognize red flags.

    One of the identity theft-related crimes most people think of is credit card fraud. However, credit card fraud may be just one of the crimes that can be committed if a criminal assumes your identity with your Social Security number and other personal information.

    While stolen credit cards and the like can be cancelled and replaced, it can be difficult to obtain a new Social Security number. The Social Security Administration requires that you prove your identity and provide evidence that someone is misusing your Social Security number and causing you significant continuing harm. In fact, until you sort everything out, the Internal Revenue Service and other government entities may not know if you or the criminal who has stolen your identity is “the real” you.

    Five Malicious Ways a Thief Can Use Your Social Security Number

    Financial Identity Theft - If a thief uses your personally identifiable information (PII) such as your Social Security number for financial gain, you’re a victim of financial identity theft. The fraudster may fill out false applications for loans, credit cards or bank accounts in your name or withdraw money from your accounts. This can encompass credit card fraud, bank fraud, computer fraud, wire fraud, mail fraud and employment fraud.

    One example of the magnitude of a fraudster’s power? A man in New Jersey has been charged with bank fraud and identity theft for stealing over $530,000 from a bank by writing checks drawn from hundreds of bank accounts, created with stolen Social Security numbers, that didn’t contain sufficient funds to cover the checks.

    Government Identity Theft - Fraudsters may use your personal information in interactions with the government. One example is tax-related identity theft or tax refund fraud, also known as Stolen Identity Refund Fraud (SIRF). SIRF occurs when a thief uses your Social Security number and other personal information to file an income tax return in your name to claim a tax refund—essentially stealing money from the U.S. Treasury.
    The U.S. Department of Justice reports that SIRF enforcement has become one of the Tax Division’s highest prosecutorial priorities. The magnitude of this growing problem can be seen in the significant uptick in fraudulent business tax returns, as fraudsters become savvier, according to the AARP.

    Criminal Identity Theft - Someone who has your Social Security number and is taken in by law enforcement for criminal conduct also could use it as their very own “get out of jail free” card. While this could just be providing your information for a speeding ticket, it could create more challenging problems if someone gives your identity when arrested—leading to an arrest warrant for you and costing you a job when the warrant pops up in a potential employer’s background check.

    Medical Identity Theft - A thief could give your information in a medical emergency or for other medical care, potentially affecting your healthcare coverage negatively and compromising your safety if there’s misinformation on file when you need medical treatment. If this happens, you may receive a variety of notices:
    Bills and collections calls for medical services you didn’t receive
    Unfamiliar collections notices on your credit reports
    Medicare or other health insurer notices that you’ve reached your plan limit
    Denial of coverage because of misinformation
    Utility Fraud - You may not think of utilities such as phone, water, gas, and cable services when your Social Security number is stolen, but criminals may use your number and other personal information to open utility service agreements or upgrade services on existing accounts. You may not find out about it until an unpaid bill appears on your credit report or you hear from a bill collector.
    Of course, the elephant in the room is that a fraudster can sell your Social Security number on the dark web, thereby allowing others to use your identity many times over. This often means your information will be included on lists that other hackers will use in the future.

    Once someone has your Social Security number, they can essentially become you. They may be able to collect tax refunds, collect benefits and income, commit crimes, make purchases, set up phone numbers and websites, establish residences, and use health insurance—all in your name. It’s a messy business that’s challenging to clean up.

    If you’ve already lost your Social Security card or suspect someone is using your Social Security number, there are important steps you need to take right way. But the best way to keep your identity safe is to get started from the get-go, before it’s stolen. A great place to start is by reading the Social Security Administration brochure on Social Security number protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Eariler this afternoon I recieved a call on my landline from an Indian call centre.

    An Indian chap with a strong Indian accent told me there is an emergency and I need to act quickly.

    Me: What's the problem?

    Indian operator: Sir, your IP address has been comprimised.

    Me: No way, how is this possible?

    Indian operator: Sir, people have access to your IP address and unless you fix this now they will use it to do things and you will be in trouble.

    Me: What things?

    Indian Operator: Many things sir, you need to act now.

    Me: Where are you calling from?

    Indian Operator: BT

    Me: But im not with BT.

    Indian Operator: It doesn't matter sir, you need to act now. Please turn on your computer.

    Me: Where are you based?

    Indian Operator: In London.

    Me: But you are Indian

    Indian Operator: Yes sir but Im in London, please turn on your computer.

    Me: Sure but first tell me are you a BJP voter?

    Indian Operator: Sir this is not why Im calling, is your computer on?

    Me: Are you not supposed to tell me that? ;)

    Indian Operator: Sir if you turn your computer on I will help you download an application which will protect your IP address.

    Me: Ok sure, hold on. Im just making a pot of fantastic tea. Can you give you me your number and I will call you back after my tea?

    Phone disconnected.

    If anyone get such a call, just hang up and report it to.

    https://community.bt.com/t5/Landline...e/td-p/1928248

    Huge scam.

    People have been scammed thousands of pounds in exactly this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Eariler this afternoon I recieved a call on my landline from an Indian call centre.

    An Indian chap with a strong Indian accent told me there is an emergency and I need to act quickly.

    Me: What's the problem?

    Indian operator: Sir, your IP address has been comprimised.

    Me: No way, how is this possible?

    Indian operator: Sir, people have access to your IP address and unless you fix this now they will use it to do things and you will be in trouble.

    Me: What things?

    Indian Operator: Many things sir, you need to act now.

    Me: Where are you calling from?

    Indian Operator: BT

    Me: But im not with BT.

    Indian Operator: It doesn't matter sir, you need to act now. Please turn on your computer.

    Me: Where are you based?

    Indian Operator: In London.

    Me: But you are Indian

    Indian Operator: Yes sir but Im in London, please turn on your computer.

    Me: Sure but first tell me are you a BJP voter?

    Indian Operator: Sir this is not why Im calling, is your computer on?

    Me: Are you not supposed to tell me that? ;)

    Indian Operator: Sir if you turn your computer on I will help you download an application which will protect your IP address.

    Me: Ok sure, hold on. Im just making a pot of fantastic tea. Can you give you me your number and I will call you back after my tea?

    Phone disconnected.

    If anyone get such a call, just hang up and report it to.

    https://community.bt.com/t5/Landline...e/td-p/1928248

    The call could be from Pakistan as well. You will be surprised to know that Indians and Pakistanis (the real citizens, not the NRIs and NRPs) have lot of similarities and accent is one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RajBan View Post
    The call could be from Pakistan as well. You will be surprised to know that Indians and Pakistanis (the real citizens, not the NRIs and NRPs) have lot of similarities and accent is one of them.
    Almost all of these calls come from India. The chance of the call being from Pakistan is highly unlikely, given the law enforcement agencies in US, Canada, UK, etc have traced these kinds of calls almost exclusively to India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    How do you know they are actually from India and not Pakistan?

    It is more likely to be Pakistan given that Pakistan has a poor record of jailing such scammers.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1440824
    In New Zealand it's all Indian, you can tell from their pronouciation, such as pronouncing Z as J, like Mr Raja instead of Mr Raza. Also 13 Indians were arrested in New Zealand for running a scam call center in New Zealand, Yes INDIAN nationals, not Pakistani. They had scammed people for millions of dollars. 3 of them are yet to be arrested.

    Other scammers are also from India as you can tell from their pronouciation of words.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12270496
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    Quote Originally Posted by RajBan View Post
    The call could be from Pakistan as well. You will be surprised to know that Indians and Pakistanis (the real citizens, not the NRIs and NRPs) have lot of similarities and accent is one of them.
    Their is a difference, many Indians pronounce Z as J, and as my family name has a Z in it they always pronounce it as a J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danyaalr01 View Post
    In New Zealand it's all Indian, you can tell from their pronouciation, such as pronouncing Z as J, like Mr Raja instead of Mr Raza. Also 13 Indians were arrested in New Zealand for running a scam call center in New Zealand, Yes INDIAN nationals, not Pakistani. They had scammed people for millions of dollars. 3 of them are yet to be arrested.

    Other scammers are also from India as you can tell from their pronouciation of words.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12270496
    Quote Originally Posted by Danyaalr01 View Post
    Their is a difference, many Indians pronounce Z as J, and as my family name has a Z in it they always pronounce it as a J.
    They are just trying to create confusion. Everyone and their mother who has been targeted by these scams, and law enforcement officials from those countries, know that these scams almost exclusively operate out of India. But on the very nearly 0% chance that they might be from Pakistan, we are supposed to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    Almost all of these calls come from India. The chance of the call being from Pakistan is highly unlikely, given the law enforcement agencies in US, Canada, UK, etc have traced these kinds of calls almost exclusively to India.

    Sitting in India , I receive fake calls from India, Pakistan both and spams from primarily Nigeria and Kazakhstan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danyaalr01 View Post
    Their is a difference, many Indians pronounce Z as J, and as my family name has a Z in it they always pronounce it as a J.
    This is a wrong generalization. A typical urban Indian pretty much pronounce z the way it is meant to be .

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    Quote Originally Posted by RajBan View Post
    Sitting in India , I receive fake calls from India, Pakistan both and spams from primarily Nigeria and Kazakhstan.
    As far as the business of making scam phone calls to Western countries is concerned, that entire scam almost exclusively operates out of India. There might be a very low chance that it came from Pakistan, but you can't create an equivalence.

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    This is a major issue in Canada.

    The CRA (Canadian Revenue Agency) went after Indian call centers because of how bad it's become.

    Dozens of scammers, who were swindling Canadians out of their hard-earned money, were busted in a large takedown of illegal call centres in India.

    Between September and January, an estimated 40 illegal call centres were targeted by RCMP, the Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre (CAFC) and law enforcement in India.
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/dozens...down-1.4318299


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    Looks like this is a thread to nitpick on Indians in particular. There is no doubt that plenty of Indians are engaged I these scams if that is what you are looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RajBan View Post
    Looks like this is a thread to nitpick on Indians in particular. There is no doubt that plenty of Indians are engaged I these scams if that is what you are looking for.
    I am not going argue whether Indians are being nitpicked.

    But if Pakistanis were exclusively involved in this, you guys likely would have been shouting about this online and in your media for years now. This problem has been going on for nearly a decade in western countries. If Pakistanis were the ones deeply involved in this for that long, I can't imagine what Indians would have done in their media, online, etc given other examples of a few Pakistanis being involved in shady stuff. And I literally meant it when I say I can't imagine, because you guys ostracize Pakistanis to no end for any shady stuff a few Pakistanis do. Meanwhile we've barely discussed this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swashbuckler View Post
    Government should be more proactive in dealing with these thieves, bloody low lives. Want to solve a problem, first admit there is a problem. There is no need to get defensive, some of us here know how to avoid these crooks but many fall prey. I am surprised this doesn't attract enough attention in Parliament, our credibility takes a hit because of this and here we want to point out equivalent examples in Nigeria and Pakistan .
    True.

    These thieves are a blot, irrespective of their nationality. Jaamtara, Jharkhand is hugely notorious for these SIM swap and other banking scams. Crime Patrol did an episode as well on it.

    Crime Patrol too is anti national now. How dare they defame India in every episode they air?


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