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    End of Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik's international careers?

    A small comment in the PCB release regarding the T20I squad:

    Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik were not considered as part of the selectors’ forward-looking strategy.

    That's it for their careers then...?


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    You never know with the PCB.

    A disaster of a Australian tour and you might see them back.

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    Can't be sure of that. If Pakistan go on a losing streak in T20Is, then I wouldn't rule out a recall just before the World T20.

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    I would definately have mailk in my team..is the best 20 20 cricketers in the world can retire after world cup

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    Hope so, both should have been gotten rid of 12 years ago!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Hope so, both should have been gotten rid of 12 years ago!
    Agreed, it is a terrible indictment of our system and selection that these 2 have got a decade extra than would be the case anywhere else in the World

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    even their domestic careers are over. Look at their performances in both National T20 and CPL LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by badsha001 View Post
    even their domestic careers are over. Look at their performances in both National T20 and CPL LOL
    Hafeez took 4/24 today so there is something there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by badsha001 View Post
    even their domestic careers are over. Look at their performances in both National T20 and CPL LOL
    Malik had a good CPL

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    Hafeez only needs two back to back scores passing the quarter-century
    mark in domestic cricket and he will be brought straight back into the team and be full of confidence again.

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    That would be the lack of chucking-check in domestics i suppose

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    Quote Originally Posted by badsha001 View Post
    even their domestic careers are over. Look at their performances in both National T20 and CPL LOL
    Malik was actually one of the top performers in this years CPL.

    Not that it should mean a recall for him, far from it, more that you should base your argument on facts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Hafeez took 4/24 today so there is something there.
    yes...lots of chucking in the middle there for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finisher View Post
    Malik had a good CPL
    Quote Originally Posted by ahmed16 View Post
    Malik was actually one of the top performers in this years CPL.

    Not that it should mean a recall for him, far from it, more that you should base your argument on facts.
    please check Malik's performance in the last few game against some very good bowling when the pressure was on. He did have some good performances but we need to look at the whole picture when the pressure was on because those performances matter the most.

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    Never say never in Pakistan cricket.

    Anything is possible, nobody is totally out of contention.

    It's quite possible that one of these 2 could be the next ODI skipper.



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    I’m waiting for the odds to go to 200 to 1 before I place a small wager on Malik coming back as captain for the T20 World Cup.

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    At least one of them will be back for the world t20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finisher View Post
    Malik had a good CPL
    So what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    So what?
    Its Pakistan cricket, do u think we have seen the end of Malik and Hafeez.

    My reply was to their Domestic careers being over by one of the posters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finisher View Post
    Its Pakistan cricket, do u think we have seen the end of Malik and Hafeez.

    My reply was to their Domestic careers being over by one of the posters.
    These guys have a had decade long rope for their mediocrity. They should not be recalled in any circumstance.


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    Good decision. Time to move on and get rid of these nonperforming oldies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    A small comment in the PCB release regarding the T20I squad:

    Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik were not considered as part of the selectors’ forward-looking strategy.
    Yes, forward-looking strategy is selecting Irfan and Imran Sr.

    Brilliant.

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    Hafeez 65 off 41

    Malik 64 off 40

    its domestic t20 cricket not much to see

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    They already cost Pakistan the World Cup, so it’s a good way to bow out and fully representative of their career.

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    Unless they retire they are not going anywhere. I see this tour as a way for Misbah to say we got no talent in Pakistan.

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    Mickey Arthur speaking on TV:

    "If Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik are performing, they could be brought back. Certainly room for one of them, if you look at how 3-5 are playing. Hafeez did well for us in UAE against AUS/NZ and then we had Malik at 5 to finish innings with experience. He ran hard and had enough power to hit balls out of the ground so he played an important role. I'm sure those names will be discussed"


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    Would take Hafeez over Asif ‘Buttler’ Ali in a heartbeat.

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    They should return after this series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UP View Post
    You never know with the PCB.

    A disaster of a Australian tour and you might see them back.
    Seems Likely. There are too many holes in Pakistan Batting line up, like Asif Ali.

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    Hafeez probably yes but I feel Malik will be at the T20 WC..he will find a way


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    So three months later, they are now part of the selectors’ forward-looking strategy again.

    There is no consistency and no logic in terms of our selection process. Absolutely nothing has changed under Misbah, and the blame goes to the people who thought it was a good idea to hand him all the powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    So three months later, they are now part of the selectors’ forward-looking strategy again.

    There is no consistency and no logic in terms of our selection process. Absolutely nothing has changed under Misbah, and the blame goes to the people who thought it was a good idea to hand him all the powers.
    Its better to be safe rather than sorry. Hacks like Asif and Fakhar will be eaten alive in the WC.Their are no better alternatives for Hafeez and Malik in Pakistan.They may be old and dusty but they can still serve Pakistan in the t20 WC coming up.

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    Misbah speaking to the press today:


    "Hafeez is experienced enough, he has performed in the past. We never said Malik and Hafeez aren't in our plans, we were trying out our pool but we felt we needed them here. Hafeez is experienced and he has so many performances, he is mature. We feel he can contribute to the team and perform for Pakistan"

    "If we were scared, we wouldn't take such decisions at all. We have tried to make a combination of new and experienced players. Shoaib Malik is in good form recently and it's good if we utilise him. We are also looking at replacements and new players. There is no such thing such as fear of losing, we are just trying to make the best combination for the T20 World Cup"

    "I wouldn't call it a comeback for Hafeez and Malik, we were giving chances to some younger players, it's not that they were discarded from T20 due to bad performances. We will try to give them confidence, they are experienced and I think they can cope and perform for Pakistan"
    Last edited by MenInG; 16th January 2020 at 18:14.


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    Dont think they are going anywhere - included in the Pakistan 29-man squad.


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    Are we going to see Malik and Hafeez in the Test playing XI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mueez View Post
    Are we going to see Malik and Hafeez in the Test playing XI?
    Nahi yaar aesa na boley


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    These two legends will be seen in the T20s and then wriggle their way Into the World Cup squad at the back of being experienced and then fail as usual.

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    How long is this punishment for fans going to go on for. These 2 guys that should have gone a decade ago, and they are still playing. Much better players have come and gone, and these 2 poor players are still being picked.

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    Misbah speaking to the press today:

    "We have youngsters like Haider and Khushdil in the squad. But we also need to have a balance in the squad. Juniors should be given exposure in a way that they play with seniors and ready themselves for international cricket. I think Malik and Hafeez have performed well in the previous series. If the T20 WC doesn't happen then it's likely to be next year. That's not so far away and these two can play till then. We're not sure yet but at the moment, they have performed well so we kept them in the team alongside youngsters."


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Dont think they are going anywhere - included in the Pakistan 29-man squad.
    Tbh malik and hafeez are stil decent in t20s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mueez View Post
    Are we going to see Malik and Hafeez in the Test playing XI?
    Obvs not lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    How long is this punishment for fans going to go on for. These 2 guys that should have gone a decade ago, and they are still playing. Much better players have come and gone, and these 2 poor players are still being picked.
    Check the stats of Malik they both decent enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Misbah speaking to the press today:

    ....I think Malik and Hafeez have performed well in the previous series. If the T20 WC doesn't happen then it's likely to be next year. That's not so far away and these two can play till then. We're not sure yet but at the moment, they have performed well so we kept them in the team alongside youngsters."
    ***massive facepalm***

    It is really frustrating being a pakistani cricket fan. The astonishing stupidity that we have to put up with......

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Check the stats of Malik they both decent enough
    I don't care about the stats, he is a poor player and has been for more than decade. Trust your judgement rather than stats. If Malik and Hafeez played for any other country, they would have played for a 4 Yr cycle, not a career lasting 2 decades. This is epic failure, perpetuated by gutless selectors.

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    I'd like them booted out but if it's just for T20 I don't really care, it's a circus format.

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    Hafeez averages 20 in 5 t20 world cups with 1 measley 50. Malik fares slightly better .

    Anyone who supports their inclusion really does not have an iota of knowledge about their performances in big tournaments . No doubt they score here and there in bilaterals but I rather take a 20 year old youngster even if his output would be the same as a Hafeez ( average of 20). At least their is hope that the youngster can learn from the experience of playing in a bit tournament.

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    They are still very young. I am sure they got another five years in them.

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    They have been playing all WCs in the last 15 years can anyone recall one decent innings by either against a non minnow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cric1234 View Post
    They have been playing all WCs in the last 15 years can anyone recall one decent innings by either against a non minnow.

    Give them another 15 and they might produce one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazzam View Post
    They are still very young. I am sure they got another five years in them.
    Only 5? Yeh of little faith.

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    People talking about them not performing in world cups have no clue Performance at the highest stage against the toughest opposition is overated

    We cant discount their huge performances against the likes of zimbabwe over the years

    Their experience is vital is we are to achieve another group stage knockout

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    Is Misbah best mates with Hafeez ? not sure about if he is buddy buddy with Malik as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    People talking about them not performing in world cups have no clue Performance at the highest stage against the toughest opposition is overated

    We cant discount their huge performances against the likes of zimbabwe over the years

    Their experience is vital is we are to achieve another group stage knockout
    I think Malik and Hafeez should be allowed to chose their opposition in WCs.

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    The selection system is a good one as to pins responsibility on the Director of cricket but Misbah has already destroyed this system with his pathetic, uninspiring choices of ageing players who were never good enough in their prime, never mind now. Mani and WK have done some good stuff but this is a terrible error.


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