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    Ghislaine Maxwell has been found guilty of five of six counts, including one of sex trafficking a minor.

    She faces a 65-year sentence. Maxwell did not testify and will appeal against the verdict, perhaps against some technical aspect of the trial of jury behaviour.

    A remarkable fall from grace by the British socialite.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/max...sk-2021-12-29/
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    Maxwell was found guilty of-

    - sex trafficking of a minor
    - transporting a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity
    - conspiracy to transport minors with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity
    - conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors
    - conspiracy to entice minors to travel to engage in illegal sex acts

    She was found not guilty of one count - enticement of a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts.

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    Wow.

    What happens next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Wow.

    What happens next?

    Well, she refused to testify so it seems likely that she never entered into a plea-bargain by implicating anyone else.

    So I think that’s probably that, unless US law enforcement has other lines of enquiry.

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    BBC — Ghislaine Maxwell: What the trial means for Prince Andrew

    Ghislaine Maxwell has been convicted of grooming teenagers for abuse by Jeffrey Epstein. What are the implications for her former friend Prince Andrew?

    The guilty verdict comes as lawyers for the senior royal prepare to go to the same court in Manhattan, New York, to defend him against a damages claim brought by one of Epstein's victims.

    So what does Maxwell's trial mean, if anything, for the prince?

    It was Ghislaine Maxwell on trial, no-one else.

    The most obvious and important thing to bear in mind about Maxwell's conviction is that it applies only to what she did.

    Nobody else was on trial. The Duke of York is not facing a criminal prosecution in the United States. He's being sued by Virginia Roberts Giuffre, one of Epstein's victims.

    In fact, the trial heard no evidence that Prince Andrew was ever allegedly involved in wrongdoing.

    But one of his former closest friends is now a convicted abuser.

    During his 2019 BBC interview, Prince Andrew told Newsnight that his relationship with Epstein was a product of his long-standing friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell.

    Specifically, he said he and Epstein first met in 1999 - and his closeness to Maxwell was the only reason he got to know the paedophile financier in the first place.

    Yet throughout this trial, Maxwell's accusers did not present her as some kind of unwitting helper for Epstein, but a woman who was central to his plans to commit abuse.

    If Ghislaine Maxwell had been acquitted, that could have immediately undermined Virginia Roberts Giuffre's claims, because she alleges in court papers that the British socialite "spent years overseeing and managing Epstein's sex trafficking network, and actively recruited underage girls, including [herself]".

    And so the conviction means Ms Giuffre's lawyers can go into her case against Prince Andrew saying it's now beyond reasonable doubt that Maxwell played a role in Epstein's abuse. The senior royal's relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell is now as important to the outcome of the damages case as his relationship to Epstein.

    Epstein wasn't just a casual acquaintance.

    Ms Giuffre's court filings repeatedly stress that Epstein was close enough to the Duke to attend his 40th birthday party and have contact numbers for him. The Maxwell case has not knocked any of this down.

    During the trial, prosecutors disclosed new pictures of Maxwell and Epstein to emphasise how close they were. And one photo shows the pair at Balmoral, the Queen's private Scottish residence.

    The picture is thought to have been taken in 1999 when Prince Andrew reportedly invited the couple to stay there.

    Virginia Giuffre featured - but did not appear.

    One of the witnesses against Maxwell, known only as "Carolyn", told the trial that she had been introduced to Epstein by Virginia Roberts, as she then was.

    And a former Epstein employee recalled seeing Ms Giuffre at the financier's estate in Florida. So why did she not give evidence?

    Well firstly, she was not named on the indictment as one of the victims of abuse in the Maxwell trial. So there was no legal need for the jury to consider what she has to say.

    But she could still have been called. Prosecutors have remained tight-lipped. Some reporters in New York speculate Ms Giuffre was not called because her prominence would have been distracting - or that Maxwell's lawyers would have latched on to alleged inconsistencies in her media accounts.

    It's also possible that prosecutors, grappling with differing US state laws concerning age of consent, kept her out to simplify the trial.

    But as the New York Times put it, her story loomed over the trial. It looks like her words will now go untested until she potentially gives evidence in her damages case against Prince Andrew.

    The Maxwell prosecutors alleged a UK connection.

    They introduced evidence about Epstein's activities at Maxwell's London home - where Ms Giuffre alleges she was later trafficked to Prince Andrew. A claim the prince strongly denies.

    The evidence the jury heard didn't relate to that specific claim.

    The witness known only as "Kate" said Maxwell befriended her in 1994 and invited her to tea at her Belgravia home. Maxwell then groomed her into a sexual encounter there with Epstein, she said.

    Kate was also later flown to the financier's Florida home, where Maxwell was said to have given her a schoolgirl's uniform to wear.

    Her evidence was clearly part of an attempt by prosecutors to demonstrate how Maxwell identified women to satisfy Epstein's demands.

    But Kate was above the age of consent in the UK and therefore the judge ruled that the jury could not consider her story as evidence of a crime committed by Maxwell - and her lawyers challenged the inclusion of the story in the trial.

    More importantly for the Duke, Kate's story did not substantiate any suggestion that Maxwell trafficked young women for Epstein's friends.

    While the world has seen the photograph of the Duke with Virginia Roberts, as she then was, in Ghislaine Maxwell's home, he only came up in Kate's London-related evidence in a peripheral way: the court heard how Maxwell would name-drop him and other rich and famous people she knew.

    Prince Andrew confirmed to Newsnight he had been in Maxwell's Belgravia home previously - but said he had no recollection of meeting Ms Giuffre or that photograph being taken.

    So given Maxwell's trial heard nothing at all linking Prince Andrew to abuse in London, one of Ms Giuffre's most explosive allegations remains unproven.

    The trial heard about the 'Lolita Express'.

    Larry Visoski, Epstein's long-time pilot, told the trial that he had flown Prince Andrew and other celebrities to luxury destinations.

    The Duke of York had previously told Newsnight he had been on that plane.

    Epstein's accusers say that jet was the "Lolita Express" - a means of moving around both his confidantes and the girls groomed into his control.

    If the damages case goes ahead, the flight logs may be important evidence for either side, depending on what they reveal about who was flown to where, and when.

    Does Maxwell's conviction have implications for Scotland Yard? The Metropolitan Police has so far decided, having reviewed material from the US civil courts and media, to take no action over allegations of criminality in the UK relating to Jeffrey Epstein.

    It's never confirmed whether or not it has looked at Ms Giuffre's allegations against Prince Andrew, in line with its cast-iron policy of only rarely confirming the identity of anyone featuring in its work.

    The question is whether it will be compelled to rethink that position given Maxwell's criminal conviction in a case that included events in London.

    Given that Kate's London-related evidence did not cover a crime and related only to the dead financier and Maxwell, it's difficult to see the London force changing its position.

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    It is curious that Guiffre was not subpoenaed in the Maxwell case.

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    Jeffrey Epstein's dealings in the arms world may have led him to working for the Israeli government, according to a report by The Rolling Stone.

    The report's author, Vicky Ward, cites four separate sources, some of which are considered more reliable than others. According to the report, Robert Maxwell - a conduit between the Israeli government and other governments during his life - introduced Epstein to Israeli leaders.

    Maxwell invested tens of millions of dollars into Israel's economy, serving as a point man for its governments. According to a Washington Post article published after his death, he visited Jerusalem once a month and even considered purchasing the Beitar Jerusalem soccer team.

    However, Epstein claimed in a 2002 interview with Ward that he had never met Maxwell. He did, however, have a well-known relationship with his daughter Ghislaine who is currently awaiting trail for charges related to helping Epstein in alleged sex-trafficking of minors.

    Epstein did visit Israel in 2008, almost moving permanently to avoid jail time. He decided against it, however, facing 13 months in jail, before being released on July 22, 2009.

    According to The Rolling Stone report, Epstein spent the last years of his life bragging to people, including journalists, that he was an advisor to an assortment of foreign leaders - including Israel. The article states he was known as a "hyper-fixer," somebody who can go between different cultures and networks.

    Steven Hoffenberg, Epstein's former business associate who Ward conducted an interview with, claimed that Epstein had worked on several projects with Robert Maxwell. Hoffenberg went to jail in 1995 for a Ponzi scheme that he claimed Epstein was a part of.

    Hoffenberg also has claimed previously that Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein met through her father. This has been corroborated by an Epstein staffer, according to a Forbes article.

    Hoffenberg also claimed that Epstein ran in intelligence circles with a mentor: a British defense contractor who died in 2011 named Douglas Leese. According to Hoffenberg, Leese had introduced Epstein not only to aristocratic Europeans, but to people in the arm's trade as well as Robert Maxwell.

    When asked twice in 2002 by Ward, Epstein claimed he never met Leese.

    Epstein also claimed he hardly knew Hoffenberg, only consulted him briefly on a couple of deals and was not involved in the prosecution of Hoffenberg. According to The Rolling Stone report, Epstein said things would turn out badly for Ward if she reported the contrary.

    Like Epstein himself, Maxwell died in mysterious ways. He died officially of a heart attack in 1991, yet according to former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky in an interview with Ward, he was killed due to vulnerability because his financial problems. He was buried on Jerusalem's Mount of Olives.

    Epstein's connections with Maxwell and the claims from various sources, ranging from former arms dealers to former spies, have led many people to believe that Epstein had a history of working for, and possibly spying for, various countries, including Israel.

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/je...g-stone-674244


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    A woman who was groomed by Ghislaine Maxwell and gave key evidence at her sex-trafficking trial hopes the verdict will bring "solace" to other survivors.

    "I am so relieved and grateful," said Annie Farmer, the only witness to use her real name during her testimony.

    "I hope this verdict... demonstrates that no one is above the law."

    Maxwell was found guilty of grooming underage girls to be abused by Jeffrey Epstein. Her lawyers say they will appeal against the verdict.

    The 60-year-old was convicted on five of the six counts she faced, including the most serious charge - that of sex-trafficking a minor.

    The verdict, reached after five full days of deliberation by a 12-person jury in New York, means the British socialite could spend the rest of her life behind bars.

    Ms Farmer, now 42 and a psychologist, testified that she had been lured when she was 16 to a New Mexico ranch owned by Epstein, where Maxwell had given her a nude massage.

    "I hope that this verdict brings solace to all who need it," she said. "Even those with great power and privilege will be held accountable when they sexually abuse and exploit the young."

    A lawyer representing a victim who used the name Jane as a pseudonym to protect her identity thanked the jury for recognising Maxwell's "critical role in helping" Epstein, and praised the victims who had shared their experiences.

    "The strong women survivors of Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein's abuse can all sleep better tonight knowing that the justice system got it right," Robert Glassman said.

    Another lawyer who represents a number of Epstein accusers, Gloria Allred, told the BBC the outcome sent a "message to other sex predators" who took advantage of vulnerable young women.

    "Charges may be filed against you, you may be prosecuted and you may end up getting sentenced to prison for the rest of your life," she said.

    Virginia Giuffre, who is one of Maxwell and Epstein's most prominent accusers, said she would "remember this day always".

    "Having lived with the horrors of Maxwell's abuse, my heart goes out to the many other girls and young women who suffered at her hands and whose lives she destroyed," she said.

    Ms Giuffre has also previously alleged that she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew three times. The Duke of York denies the allegations.

    Wednesday's verdict followed a month-long trial featuring testimony from four women who described being abused by Epstein between 1994 and 2004.

    Maxwell showed no visible sign of emotion as the verdict was read out on Wednesday, only pouring herself a glass of water which she sipped from twice.

    A date for her sentencing has not yet been set.

    Maxwell, a long-time associate of convicted child sex offender Epstein, has been in jail since July 2020 when she was charged with involvement in the financier's abuse of teenage girls. Some of the victims were as young as 14.

    Epstein killed himself in 2019 while awaiting trial on sex-trafficking charges.

    A well-connected socialite, Maxwell is the youngest daughter of the disgraced newspaper tycoon Robert Maxwell who died in 1991.

    Soon after her father's death, Maxwell left the UK to settle in America where she worked in real estate and eventually met Epstein.

    The pair's romantic relationship reportedly lasted only a few years, but she continued to work with him long after and is said to have introduced Epstein to wealthy and powerful figures including Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew.

    During the trial, Maxwell's lawyers repeatedly argued she was a scapegoat for Epstein's crimes. Prosecutors sought to portray the duo as "partners in crime" running a "pyramid scheme of abuse".

    Prosecutors cited bank records showing she had received $30m (£22m) from Epstein between 1999 and 2007 as evidence she had been motivated by money.

    All of the women who testified said they had been sexually abused by Epstein before they turned 18, and that Maxwell had urged, facilitated and even participated in the sexual encounters.

    Another accuser, Liz Stein, who did not testify at Maxwell's trial, told BBC Radio 4's The World at One she had met Maxwell when she was 21 - and had been assaulted by her and Epstein the first day they met.

    In her first broadcast interview, she described how both Epstein and Maxwell "made you feel like there was nobody else in the world, like you were the most important person in the universe".

    Explaining why she had seen the pair repeatedly after being abused, Ms Stein said: "I absolutely should've gone to the police. I didn't feel like I could. I just can't explain to you the fear and the emotional manipulation. In my mind these are my friends, those were people that said they cared about me."

    Asked about the guilty verdict, she said: "I think that is something that so many of us didn't think would ever happen. And especially for a woman to be charged with these things. I hope this really sets a precedent and it shows people that she was equally complicit in doing these things."

    BBC


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    Breaking : Prince Andrew has been asked to provide documentary evidence of “his alleged inability to sweat” and the names of anyone he met at a Pizza Express in Woking by lawyers for Virginia Giuffre, who accuses him of sexual assault in a lawsuit filed in New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Breaking : Prince Andrew has been asked to provide documentary evidence of “his alleged inability to sweat” and the names of anyone he met at a Pizza Express in Woking by lawyers for Virginia Giuffre, who accuses him of sexual assault in a lawsuit filed in New York.
    It would be great if the exceptionally dumb interview he gave is what leads to him getting done.

    I cant for the life of me work out what possessed him to go and seek out an interview and how this simpleton thouggt that 'I am unable to sweat' was a good defence.

    He really thought that he could take the public for a ride.

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    Ghislaine Maxwell’s brother has told Sky News she is unlikely to cooperate with prosecutors in return for a reduced sentence, a practice known as "flipping".

    The British former socialite was this week found guilty of recruiting underage girls to be sexually abused by Epstein, who killed himself in 2019 while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges.

    Ian Maxwell described himself as "angry" at what he claimed was a "flawed" trial his sister had faced, and said her guilty verdict was a "tremendous blow and disappointment".

    He insisted he was not blaming the victims, or gaslighting them, and that he "damn well" had "empathy" for the women.

    "Why would I do that [gaslight them]... they clearly had a terrible experience," he said.

    "I accept that these accusers were victims of Jeffrey Epstein. What I do not accept is that they were victims of Ghislaine Maxwell."

    He declined to apologise to the women who his sister was found to have trafficked, telling Sky News: "It's not for me to apologise to those ladies.

    "I feel empathy for the experiences they have had and for the pain they have carried for all of this time."

    But Mr Maxwell conceded, however, that Ghislaine's conviction will help victims find "solace and relief from their pain".

    He added his sister had "without doubt" made "a terrible, terrible judgement about Jeffrey Epstein", but said: "That is not a crime".

    He acknowledged that Ghislaine "must obviously profoundly regret that relationship" with Epstein.

    Mr Maxwell also played down the prospect of his sister "flipping" to now help prosecutors, as has been speculated she might.

    "We know, because the prosecution has said, that they have never made her any offer and she has never made them any offer," he said.

    "I don't think that's going to change. I don't know what Ghislaine has to say about anyone else. Her position is that she did not participate or was aware of these terrible activities.

    "So her logical position must be that's to be continued, and therefore why is she suddenly going to start producing names and who knows what? So I don't think that's going to happen."

    Confirming his family's intent to appeal Ghislaine's verdict, Mr Maxwell predicted their efforts would be successful and his sister would be "vindicated".

    "The man who was not on trial and should have been on trial - but escaped the ability of the prosecution to put him on trial because they lost him on their watch, which everyone has conveniently forgotten about - could not be tried," he said of Epstein.

    "And therefore they had to find someone who could be tried. They chose Ghislaine Maxwell. They were perfectly entitled to do that.

    "But the position the defence has taken - and that I continue to take - is that she was scapegoated in a process that was flawed from the start and she was not given a fair trial and she has not had justice."

    Mr Maxwell described himself as a "rational man" and said he was "very far from deluded", but added there was "another side to the story".

    "That story is that you cannot have a trial where the defence and the defendant have their hands tied behind their backs," he said.

    "Quite literally - Ghislaine has been shackled into court, out of court, for 18 months.

    "Shackled physically, shackled mentally, shackled in every possible way, whilst everyone has been shooting at her from the sides. She's had no capacity to shoot back."

    Mr Maxwell suggested that Ghislaine might be in danger in jail, while he also claimed her treatment while in pre-trial custody meant she did not have the ability to properly consider taking the stand in court in her own defence.

    "Ghislaine had to think, 'I might be here for six days or seven days... and then having a very, very fierce cross-examination'," he said.

    "'And I'm eating one piece of cheese a day, one apple and some water. And I'm having light shone in my eyes every 15 minutes throughout the trial, throughout the night'.

    "How are you supposed to take the stand in your defence and be sharp as a tack and able to deal with this in those circumstances?

    "That's why I'm saying the process was flawed. It was designed to break her, it broke her."

    Ghislaine's guilty verdict came before a civil lawsuit against Prince Andrew is due to be considered by judges in the US next week.

    Virginia Giuffre, formerly Virginia Roberts, has accused the Queen's second son of forcing her to have sex more than two decades ago when she was under 18 at the London home of Ghislaine, and abusing her at two of Epstein's homes.

    Mr Maxwell said Andrew had been "very mistaken" to conduct a 2019 TV interview about the accusations against him, and said the Duke of York had not "helped himself".

    But he added that Andrew had "really suffered" by having been "completely cancelled in his offical role" as a member of the Royal Family.

    "He's entitled to be believed and let's see how that turns out," Mr Maxwell said.

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    Lawyers for the woman who has accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault have rejected claims her lawsuit against the royal cannot go ahead because she is not a US resident.

    The Duke of York's lawyers this week called for the civil case at a Manhattan court to be halted or thrown out because his accuser, Virginia Giuffre, actually lives in Australia.

    She is said to have lived there for all but two of the last 19 years.

    But Ms Giuffre's team, in a court filing on Thursday, have now branded the action by Andrew's lawyers to halt the lawsuit a "transparent attempt to delay discovery into his own documents and testimony".

    Ms Giuffre, formerly Virginia Roberts, has accused Andrew of forcing her to have sex more than two decades ago when she was under 18 at the London home of Ghislaine Maxwell, and abusing her at two of Jeffrey Epstein's homes.

    Maxwell, a friend of Andrew, was this week found guilty of recruiting underage girls to be sexually abused by her ex-boyfriend Epstein, who killed himself in 2019 while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges.

    Andrew has denied the claims by Ms Giuffre and has not been charged with criminal offences.

    Ghislaine Maxwell a 'scapegoat' and she won't 'flip' to help prosecutors, says brother

    Ghislaine Maxwell was 'main enforcer' and 'you don't cross her', says woman allegedly raped by Jeffrey Epstein

    His lawyers have described the lawsuit as "baseless" and have already asked a judge to dismiss it on multiple grounds.

    In the court filing on Thursday, Ms Giuffre's lawyers said Andrew has claimed he has no documents that would be responsive to the majority of their requests.

    This includes of any communications with socialite Maxwell or financier Epstein, or relating to his trips to Florida, New York or various locations in London.

    Ms Giuffre's lawyers also asked for documentation to prove Andrew has a medical inability to sweat, an alibi he offered in a BBC Newsnight interview in 2019.

    They also insisted that Ms Giuffre is domiciled in Colorado, where her mother lives, and noted that she is registered to vote there.

    The lawyers added those facts and additional evidence establish her Colorado citizenship.

    A judge is due on 4 January to hear arguments on whether to dismiss Ms Giuffre's civil lawsuit against Andrew, which is seeking unspecified damages.

    If judges do not throw out Ms Giuffre's lawsuit against Andrew, a trial could be held between September and December 2022.

    A past settlement between Epstein and Ms Giuffre is set to be made public next week.

    Andrew's lawyers have argued the 2009 agreement releases him from liability because it covered "royalty" and that Epstein had insisted it cover "any and all persons" who Ms Giuffre might sue.

    But Ms Giuffre's lawyers have countered that the agreement "on its face" applies "at most" to people involved in underlying litigation in Florida, thereby excluding Andrew.

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    Jeffrey Epstein: Charges dropped against prison guards who falsified records
    US prosecutors have dismissed charges against two prison guards who falsified records the night Jeffrey Epstein killed himself on their watch.

    Tova Noel and Michael Thomas admitted to fabricating log entries to show they had monitored Epstein properly.

    Prosecutors have asked a judge to dismiss their case, saying the pair have complied with a plea deal.

    A convicted sex offender, Epstein was found dead in his jail cell on the morning of 10 August 2019.

    The American financier had been awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges, and had pleaded not guilty to sexually abusing dozens of girls, some as young as 14.

    On the night he committed suicide, Epstein was alone in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center New York, authorities said at the time.He had been taken off suicide watch after a previous suspected attempt to take his own life.Surveillance footage showed that no other people had entered the area where Epstein was held that evening, officials said.

    In May, Ms Noel and Mr Thomas admitted they had not conducted their required half-hourly checks on Epstein.

    Instead they spent substantial portions of their shifts at their desk, browsed the internet, and moved around the common area, just 15ft (4.5m) from Epstein's cell.

    One of the guards was working a second mandatory eight-hour shift of the day, while the other was on a fifth consecutive day of overtime.As part of a plea deal, the pair agreed to complete 100 hours of community service and co-operate with an investigation by the justice department's inspector general.

    On 13 December, federal prosecutors filed a "nolle prosequi" - a legal document that declares they no longer wished to pursue the case - and said Ms Noel and Mr Thomas had satisfactorily complied with the agreement.But the request did not appear in public records until Thursday - a day after Ghislaine Maxwell was found guilty of recruiting and trafficking young girls to be sexually abused by Epstein.

    It is unclear why the document was not filed until 30 December.

    The Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan is one of the most secure prison facilities in the US. But earlier this year, authorities announced that it would be temporarily closed due to deteriorating conditions.

    About six miles away (9km) in Brooklyn, Maxwell is awaiting sentencing in another facility. She faces up to 65 years in prison, and still has a separate trial for perjury to come.

    Meanwhile Prince Andrew, the Duke of York, is facing a civil case from Virginia Giuffre, who has accused him of sexually assaulting her when she was a teenager at the homes of Epstein and Maxwell.

    Prince Andrew has consistently denied the allegations.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-ca...5-FDC24744363C

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom View Post
    It would be great if the exceptionally dumb interview he gave is what leads to him getting done.

    I cant for the life of me work out what possessed him to go and seek out an interview and how this simpleton thouggt that 'I am unable to sweat' was a good defence.

    He really thought that he could take the public for a ride.
    Those who know Andrew said that it was his sheer pompousness, arrogance, and feeling of being legally untouchable that led him to agree to the interview. Not such a great decision in hindsight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom View Post
    It would be great if the exceptionally dumb interview he gave is what leads to him getting done.

    I cant for the life of me work out what possessed him to go and seek out an interview and how this simpleton thouggt that 'I am unable to sweat' was a good defence.

    He really thought that he could take the public for a ride.
    He is guilty by association, and the day isn’t far where he will be found found guilty based on the evidence. His own family have condemned and banished him (he wasn’t even present for official photos of his daughter’s wedding).

    His car crash interview, which without no doubt will go down as one of the biggest blunders in media history, will now be used against him.

    What possessed him? No one will know for sure but I am pretty sure he thought he could take the public for a ride in the age of the internet. He felt he was above the law, immune from prosecution.

    The Epstein deal is about to be made public and I am convinced 2022 will start with a bang!

    I feel sorry for the Queen though. She’d swap Diana for Andrew in a jiffy.

    Ultimate shame on the royal family. Still cannot believe Andrew has supporters (doubters) who deep down want Andrew to be innocent despite the scathing evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Those who know Andrew said that it was his sheer pompousness, arrogance, and feeling of being legally untouchable that led him to agree to the interview. Not such a great decision in hindsight.
    Didn’t he need approval from his mother? I guess he pulled wool over her eyes too. The first casuality in his web of lies!

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    Breaking AND Plot twist : US prosecutors decided to end their criminal case against two Manhattan jail guards who admitted to falsifying records on the night the financier Jeffrey Epstein killed himself on their watch.

    Oh my. Maxwell, cleanse your soul and flip! Spill the beans!

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    Can any pti followers shed any light on our prime minister.

    Back in days he looked pretty cozy with ghilslaine maxwell at a social event at the savoy to mark the fall of communism photos have emerged of them .

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazkhan View Post
    Can any pti followers shed any light on our prime minister.

    Back in days he looked pretty cozy with ghilslaine maxwell at a social event at the savoy to mark the fall of communism photos have emerged of them .
    Easy. The pics of IK with GM were taken in 1990, BEFORE GM met Epstein in 91/92.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Those who know Andrew said that it was his sheer pompousness, arrogance, and feeling of being legally untouchable that led him to agree to the interview. Not such a great decision in hindsight.
    That’s my take too. He was advised not to, and ignored the advice. He is nowhere near as bright as he thinks he is.

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59839351

    Lawyers for a US woman who has accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault are seeking proof of the British royal's alleged inability to sweat.

    Virginia Giuffre's legal team made the request as part of a civil case against the prince in a New York court.

    Ms Giuffre, 38, alleges that Prince Andrew sexually assaulted her when she was a teenager at the homes of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

    Prince Andrew has consistently denied the allegations.

    In a 2019 interview with BBC Newsnight, he said a "problem" with her account was that a medical condition at the time meant he could not have been sweating, as she claims he was.

    A civil case filed in the US alleges that the prince sexually abused Ms Giuffre - then known as Virginia Roberts - at Maxwell's London home, and at Epstein's homes in Manhattan and Little St James in the Virgin Islands.

    Epstein, a convicted sex offender, killed himself in prison in 2019 while awaiting a sex trafficking trial. British socialite Maxwell was found guilty this week of grooming underage girls to be abused by him.

    The motion filed by Ms Giuffre's lawyers calls on Prince Andrew to supply "all documents concerning your alleged medical condition of anhidrosis, hypohidrosis, or your inability to sweat".

    Prince Andrew's lawyers said he objected to the request "on the grounds that it is harassing and seeks confidential and private information and documents that are irrelevant, immaterial and not reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence".

    They added that Prince Andrew had no such documents in his possession to hand over.

    The motion also includes requests for details of Prince Andrew's trips on Epstein's planes, and communication he had with Epstein and Maxwell.

    In a separate development, a request by Prince Andrew's lawyers to pause the proceedings against him has been turned down by a US judge.

    His lawyers had wanted Ms Giuffre to take part in a two-hour deposition to discuss her country of residence.

    Ms Giuffre has been living in Western Australia and Prince Andrew's lawyers had argued that this may disqualify her from filing a lawsuit in a US court. The judge rejected the demand.

    Meanwhile Ghislaine Maxwell, who was found guilty on Wednesday of recruiting and trafficking young girls for Epstein, awaits sentencing, a date for which has not yet been set. The verdict could see her spend the rest of her life behind bars.

    The jury's decision was welcomed by the survivors, with Annie Farmer - the only witness to use her real name during testimony - saying she was "so relieved and grateful".

    Ms Giuffre, who was not one of the four women who testified in the case but was referenced on many occasions in court, said she would "remember this day always".

    Maxwell's brother Ian told the BBC that she would appeal against the verdict "on legal grounds - both in terms of the pre-trial process and the trial process as well", but did not give further details.

    He described the victims' testimony as "heart-rending" but said he still believed his sister's innocence.

    Another of Epstein and Maxwell's accusers, Sarah Ransome, criticised Mr Maxwell's remarks.

    "This sex trafficking pyramid wouldn't exist without Ghislaine," she told the BBC.

    "I really think Ghislaine's brother should sit in a room full of Ghislaine's survivors because then he might have a different opinion of what his sister actually has done. She has destroyed hundreds of lives."

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    Breaking : Royal courtiers have discussed plans to ask the Duke of York to stop using his title if he loses a lawsuit brought by a victim of the sex abuser Jeffrey Epstein.

    Prince Andrew would also be asked to give up his remaining links to charities and would be sent into a form of “internal exile”, according to ideas being debated in the royal household.

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    A confidential settlement between Jeffrey Epstein and Virginia Giuffre, which could be key to a legal case involving Prince Andrew, is set to be made public today.

    The 2009 agreement between Epstein - the late disgraced financier - and Ms Giuffre, formerly known as Virginia Roberts, is due to be released following an order by US judges.

    Ms Giuffre is suing Andrew for allegedly sexually assaulting her when she was a teenager.

    On Tuesday, a New York judge is due to hear arguments on whether to dismiss her civil lawsuit, which is seeking unspecified damages.

    What are the 'factual allegations' stated in Virginia Giuffre's lawsuit?

    Ms Giuffre claims she was trafficked by Epstein to have sex with the Duke of York when she was aged 17, a minor under US law, and was pictured with the royal and Ghislaine Maxwell during the period the alleged intercourse took place.

    Andrew - who has not been charged with criminal offences - has denied the allegations and his legal team has called the lawsuit "baseless".

    Judge says Prince Andrew cannot block lawsuit from accuser Virginia Giuffre on grounds she no longer lives in US

    Undated handout photo issued by US Department of Justice of Ghislaine Maxwell with Jeffrey Epstein, which has been shown to the court during the sex trafficking trial of Maxwell in the Southern District of New York. The British socialite is accused of preying on vulnerable young girls and luring them to massage rooms to be molested by Epstein between 1994 and 2004. Issue date: Wednesday December 8, 2021.

    Ahead of the release of the settlement on Monday, the duke's lawyers have argued it releases him from liability because it covers "royalty", and that Epstein had insisted it applied to anyone who Ms Giuffre might sue.

    But Ms Giuffre's lawyers say the agreement applies "at most" to people involved in underlying litigation in Florida, thereby excluding Andrew.

    They say the Queen's second son should not use the 2009 agreement as a "get out of jail free card".

    The release of the settlement comes after the duke's lawyers called for the lawsuit against him to be halted or thrown out because Ms Giuffre lives in Australia and not the US.

    They argued that this meant the New York court may not have "jurisdiction" over the lawsuit.

    But this was rejected by US federal judge Lewis A Kaplan who told Andrew's lawyers they must turn over documents on the schedule set in the lawsuit.

    Ms Giuffre's legal team described the request from the royal's legal team as "another in a series of tired attempts by Prince Andrew to duck and dodge the legal merits" of the civil case.

    Her lawyers have asked for a wealth of information from Andrew's lawyers as they probe his BBC Newsnight interview when he said he was visiting a Pizza Express on the day of the claimed sexual encounter.

    They have requested travel documents detailing Andrew's movements on Epstein's planes and to his various homes, the duke's visit to Pizza Express in Woking, and London's Tramp nightclub where Ms Giuffre alleges she danced with a heavily sweating Andrew before they had sex.

    In his Newsnight interview, the duke claimed he had a medical condition at the time which meant he did not sweat.

    The release of the 2009 settlement comes after Ghislaine Maxwell was found guilty of recruiting underage girls to be sexually abused by her ex-boyfriend Epstein, who killed himself in 2019 while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges.

    If judges do not throw out Ms Giuffre's lawsuit against Andrew, a trial could be held between September and December 2022.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Breaking : Royal courtiers have discussed plans to ask the Duke of York to stop using his title if he loses a lawsuit brought by a victim of the sex abuser Jeffrey Epstein.

    Prince Andrew would also be asked to give up his remaining links to charities and would be sent into a form of “internal exile”, according to ideas being debated in the royal household.
    The Royals are trying every trick in the book so Andrew doesnt face justice.

    Now its the pay out betwen Epstein and his accuser which is being seen as a way out for him. Hopefully the judge will dismiss this like previous wishes for the case to be thrown out.

    The Royals are a disgrace for not demanding he face justice.

    I hope his mother will be watching when/if he gives evidence via video link in his civil case.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    The Royals are trying every trick in the book so Andrew doesnt face justice.

    Now its the pay out betwen Epstein and his accuser which is being seen as a way out for him. Hopefully the judge will dismiss this like previous wishes for the case to be thrown out.

    The Royals are a disgrace for not demanding he face justice.

    I hope his mother will be watching when/if he gives evidence via video link in his civil case.
    His mother knows he is guilty. The royals know he is guilty. The public knows he is guilty. The world knows he is guilty. Andrew's own immediate family knows he is guilty. The British military know he is guilty. The lawyers know he is guilty.

    The evidence is damning. Why would peado prince go to lengths trying to debunk a civil case if he was innocent?

    He thought his service in the Falkands war would earn him immunity. He was wrong.

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    The woman who has accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault agreed not to sue anyone connected to Jeffrey Epstein who could be described as a "potential defendant", a newly-released document shows.

    The 2009 settlement between Virginia Giuffre and disgraced financier Epstein reveals he agreed to pay her $500,000 (£370,000) to end her legal claims against him.

    Details of the confidential deal were made public on Monday following an order by US judges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    The woman who has accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault agreed not to sue anyone connected to Jeffrey Epstein who could be described as a "potential defendant", a newly-released document shows.

    The 2009 settlement between Virginia Giuffre and disgraced financier Epstein reveals he agreed to pay her $500,000 (£370,000) to end her legal claims against him.

    Details of the confidential deal were made public on Monday following an order by US judges.

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    So is that the end of the story? Can Guiffre now not sue Prince Andrew? His lawyers will argue that she cannot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    So is that the end of the story? Can Guiffre now not sue Prince Andrew? His lawyers will argue that she cannot.
    If thats the route his laws take then he will be guilty in the court of public opinion and the royal familys image will be badly stained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    So is that the end of the story? Can Guiffre now not sue Prince Andrew? His lawyers will argue that she cannot.
    Yet to be determined; nevertheless, Andrew’s status as a public figure is effectively in ruins at this point & his preferred lifestyle of choice i.e. one of vice, pleasure seeking and excess spent amongst the super-rich is also over. For a party animal and social butterfly like Andrew, this fall from grace and imposed state of exile will be a punishment in itself — albeit he deserves worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Yet to be determined; nevertheless, Andrew’s status as a public figure is effectively in ruins at this point & his preferred lifestyle of choice i.e. one of vice, pleasure seeking and excess spent amongst the super-rich is also over. For a party animal and social butterfly like Andrew, this fall from grace and imposed state of exile will be a punishment in itself — albeit he deserves worse.
    Aye, his only option now is quietly batting out time in seclusion for however long is left to him.

    I would imagine that when HM the Queen passes on, he will be even more isolated under King Charles III and gradually fall out of public consciousness.

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    Prince Andrew's lawyers to ask US court to dismiss civil sexual assault case

    The Duke of York's lawyers will argue in a US court later that a civil sexual assault lawsuit should be dismissed.

    Virginia Giuffre is suing him for allegedly sexually assaulting her 20 years ago, when she was a teenager.

    A document made public on Monday showed convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein paid her $500,000 (£371,000) to end her claim against him - and agree not to sue any other "potential defendant".

    Prince Andrew has consistently denied the allegations.

    While the settlement with Epstein does not mention the prince by name, his lawyers say the deal means she cannot sue him.

    The interpretation of the 2009 document, disclosed by a New York court, will form a central plank of the argument in the civil case involving Prince Andrew.

    Ms Giuffre alleges she was trafficked to the prince by Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell - who was last week convicted of recruiting and trafficking young girls to be abused by the late financier.

    Financier Epstein died in prison in 2019.

    Ms Giuffre's legal team say the terms of the Florida settlement are irrelevant to her case against the prince - which alleges sexual abuse by the royal in New York, London and the US Virgin Islands.

    In her 2009 claim against Epstein, lawyers for Ms Giuffre said she was lured into a world of sexual abuse at his Florida home when she was a teenager.

    They added: "In addition to being continually exploited to satisfy defendant's [Epstein] every sexual whim, [Ms Giuffre] was also required to be sexually exploited by defendant's adult male peers, including royalty, politicians, academicians, businessmen and or other professional and personal acquaintances."

    That case never went to trial because on 17 November 2009, Epstein agreed to pay her $500,000 to stop it in its tracks. That deal had been confidential but has now been made public because of its potential importance to the Prince Andrew case.

    In the document, Ms Giuffre, also referred to by her unmarried name Roberts, agreed to "release, acquit, satisfy, and forever discharge" Epstein and "any other person or entity who could have been included as a potential defendant".

    The settlement's wording says she discharges the potential defendants from any US legal action, including damages claims dating "from the beginning of the world".

    The precise meaning of that wording is expected to be the subject of intense legal arguments in New York on Tuesday.

    In filings to the New York court last month, Andrew B. Brettler, the prince's lead lawyer, said of the settlement: "Epstein negotiated for this broad release, insisting that it cover any and all persons who Giuffre identified as potential targets of future lawsuits, regardless of the merit - or lack thereof - to any such claims.

    "Giuffre's baseless claims against Prince Andrew... must be dismissed at this stage."

    In a statement, one of Ms Giuffre's lawyers, David Boies, said the settlement was not relevant to her claim and "does not mention Prince Andrew".

    "He did not even know about it," he added.

    In a previous court filing, her lawyers said that the Epstein deal was "outside the four corners" of her action against Prince Andrew because it does not cover her claims against him.

    Judge Lewis A Kaplan, who is presiding over the civil case, will hold a video teleconference later.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59865102...5Bpost+type%5D

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    The Duke of York's lawyers have argued in a US court that a civil sexual assault lawsuit should be dismissed.

    Virginia Giuffre is suing him for allegedly sexually assaulting her 20 years ago, when she was a teenager.

    A document made public on Monday showed convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein paid her $500,000 (£371,000) to end her claim against him - and agree not to sue any other "potential defendant".

    Prince Andrew has consistently denied the allegations.

    While the settlement with Epstein does not mention the prince by name, his lawyers say the deal means she cannot sue him.

    Her lawyers argue that the prince would not be referred to as a "potential defendant".

    The interpretation of the 2009 document, disclosed by a New York court, has formed a central plank of the argument in the civil case involving Prince Andrew.

    Ms Giuffre alleges she was trafficked to the prince by Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell - who was last week convicted of recruiting and trafficking young girls to be abused by the late financier.

    Financier Epstein died in prison in 2019.

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    I wonder if Andrew is sweating yet?

    There’s a picture of him at the Tramp club, sweating profusely, on social media. He is literally soaked in sweat.

    If rhe civil case against Andrew is dropped, and no criminal case against him filed, then I will lose faith in the Western judicial system for good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    I wonder if Andrew is sweating yet?

    There’s a picture of him at the Tramp club, sweating profusely, on social media. He is literally soaked in sweat.

    If rhe civil case against Andrew is dropped, and no criminal case against him filed, then I will lose faith in the Western judicial system for good.
    Today is his last chance to have it thrown out. Andrew wasnt named in the agreement, so I think the judge will allow the civil case against him to go ahead.

    CCTV is probably not available of him in Tramps now but surely there will be some witnesses who come forward.

    Sure, Lynx or Dove spray wont help him if he has to give evidence in court in Autumn.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Today is his last chance to have it thrown out. Andrew wasnt named in the agreement, so I think the judge will allow the civil case against him to go ahead.

    CCTV is probably not available of him in Tramps now but surely there will be some witnesses who come forward.

    Sure, Lynx or Dove spray wont help him if he has to give evidence in court in Autumn.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ble-sweat.html

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...e-20905458.amp

    Not at Tramps, but caught lying. He definitely sweats and I hope he is sweating bricks now.

    Laughing at those who thought Peado Prince is a war hero who could do no wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ble-sweat.html

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...e-20905458.amp

    Not at Tramps, but caught lying. He definitely sweats and I hope he is sweating bricks now.

    Laughing at those who thought Peado Prince is a war hero who could do no wrong.
    He assumed nothing will come of it. He couldnt provide any medical records confirming his condition because there is none.

    The Royal Navy has a history of abuse within. Maybe some female serving officers will come foward soon. There were days Kings and Princes would lead the battle, now they fly around around in the safety of aircraft which are protected by other aircraft. Besides there is nothing herioc about defeating Argentina who had a poxy military.

    He is also the Queens favourite child.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    He assumed nothing will come of it. He couldnt provide any medical records confirming his condition because there is none.

    The Royal Navy has a history of abuse within. Maybe some female serving officers will come foward soon. There were days Kings and Princes would lead the battle, now they fly around around in the safety of aircraft which are protected by other aircraft. Besides there is nothing herioc about defeating Argentina who had a poxy military.

    He is also the Queens favourite child.
    Very true. These royals, whether criminals (Peado Prince) or illigetimate off spring (Harry), have never face the real battles but are protected and sent to fire a few rounds or fly a helicopter, thus claiming they fought in a battle. Never ever have said lot put their lives at risk, instead those protecting them, have.

    As always, the UK forces will pick a fight with a weakling. They don't have the sand to go against the big boys like Russia/China. Hence the two are depicted and reported as 'evil foe'. Bully boy traits. Bullies are always mentally insecure.

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    Prince Andrew: Decision soon on dismissing case - judge

    A US judge will decide "soon" whether a civil sex assault case against the Duke of York will be dismissed, following the latest hearing in New York.

    Prince Andrew's lawyer told Judge Lewis A Kaplan that the duke could be covered by a 2009 deal his accuser, Virginia Giuffre, made with Jeffrey Epstein.

    Ms Giuffre is suing the prince claiming he sexually assaulted her - when she was 17 and a minor in some US states.

    The duke denies the allegations.

    At a virtual hearing in Manhattan on Tuesday, Judge Kaplan said he appreciated the "arguments and the passion" over the 2009 agreement.

    He said he would give a decision on the case "pretty soon" but declined to say exactly when.

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    During jury deliberations after the trial of British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, some jurors initially doubted the accounts of two of her accusers, one member of the jury said on Tuesday night.

    This juror, who asked to be identified only by his first and middle names, said some of the jurors had issues with the credibility of witnesses known as Jane and Carolyn, two of the four women who testified that Maxwell set them up with the late financier Jeffrey Epstein as teenagers.

    He said that after some of the jurors questioned the accuracy of the two women's memories, he decided to share his own experience of being sexually abused as a child. He said that he remembered most important elements of what happened to him, but not every single detail. That swayed some jurors, he said.

    "When I shared that, they were able to sort of come around on, they were able to come around on the memory aspect of the sexual abuse," Scotty David, a 35-year-old Manhattan resident, told Reuters in a phone interview. He gave an earlier interview to The Independent.

    He added that coming to a unanimous verdict "wasn't easy, to be honest."

    "There's a room of 12 people and we all have to be on the same page and we all have to understand what's going on," he said. "And then we have to agree. So that's partly why it took so long."

    Maxwell, 60, was convicted on Dec. 29 of recruiting and grooming teenage girls for sexual encounters with Epstein. The conviction followed five full days of deliberations.

    During jury selection, hundreds of prospective jurors were given questionnaires asking, among other things, if they or anyone in their families had experienced sexual abuse, court records show.

    For those who answered yes, the judge in the case asked during follow-up questioning if it would affect their ability to serve as a fair or impartial juror, the records show.

    Scotty David said he did not recall being asked about his experience during follow-up questioning, known as voir dire. He said he "flew through" the initial questionnaire and also did not recall being asked on the form about personal experiences with sexual abuse, but that he would have answered honestly.

    Neither Maxwell's defense attorneys nor the U.S. Attorney's office in Manhattan immediately responded to requests for comment about Scotty David's account of the jury deliberations or his responses to questions during jury selection sent after normal business hours on Tuesday night.

    Jurors were not identified by name during the trial. Scotty David shared with Reuters a photograph of an instruction sheet from the court telling him to return on Nov. 29 for the final day of jury selection. His juror number, which is listed on the sheet, was among the 18 chosen as jurors or alternates.

    Maxwell's defense lawyers argued the women's memories had been corrupted over the years and that they were motivated by money to implicate Maxwell.

    Scotty David said several jurors initially were not sure whether to convict Maxwell on the sex trafficking count, which is backed up by the testimony of a woman named Carolyn who said she was 14 when Epstein began abusing her in 2002.

    But he said some jurors changed their minds after hearing the personal story of one juror who said she grew up poor. Carolyn said she dropped out of school in seventh grade and was paid $300 - sometimes by Maxwell - each time she gave Epstein an erotic massage. Carolyn said she used the cash to buy drugs.

    "For Carolyn, it took one of the jurors sharing their story of growing up in the same socioeconomic background," he said. "She grew up poor, and said had there been an Epstein or Ghislaine in her neighborhood, some of the girls would have fallen prey to them as well."

    Scotty David said he was skeptical of the defense's argument that Maxwell was being treated as a scapegoat for Epstein, who died by suicide at age 66 in a Manhattan jail cell while awaiting trial on sex abuse charges.

    "She participated, she was complicit, she did nothing to stop it," he said.

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    Maxwell’s lawyers believe she had grounds for a re-trial. It has emerged to the press that one juror shared experiences of sexual abuse to the other jurors. This could prejudice the case.

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    According to Telegraph and The Times, Andrew's legal team may opt for out of court settlement, IF the case goes to trial.

    The fact Andrew is entertaining this notion proves his guilt no doubt.

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    Looking at everything, I am convinced she is guilty and so is Andrew. And I also do not think Epstein committed suicide.

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    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/no-...ay-2022-01-07/

    The possible failure of a juror in Ghislaine Maxwell's trial to disclose that he was a victim of sexual abuse may not be enough to overturn the British socialite's sex trafficking conviction and warrant a new trial, legal experts said on Thursday.

    Maxwell, 60, was convicted last week on sex trafficking and other charges for recruiting teenage girls to have sexual encounters with Jeffrey Epstein. Her lawyers asked for a new trial after the juror told Reuters and other news outlets that he shared his experience of sexual abuse during deliberations.

    It was unclear whether the juror, who asked to be identified by his first and middle names, Scotty David, revealed that experience during pre-trial vetting.

    But not all instances of jurors failing to disclose information are significant enough to merit a new trial, experts said, noting that cases where verdicts were overturned largely involved jurors who deliberately omitted information to try to get on the panel.

    "The system does not favor overturning verdicts. We value finality," said Laurie Levenson, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, adding that the judge has "broad discretion" in this case.

    In U.S. court cases, prospective jurors who the judge decides are biased or have a conflict of interest can be dismissed for cause. After that, both the defense and prosecutors can each dismiss a certain number of jurors for no particular reason, known as a peremptory strike.

    Prospective jurors in the Maxwell case in Manhattan federal court were asked during a pre-trial questionnaire whether they had ever been sexually abused. Those who answered "yes" were later questioned by U.S. District Judge Alison Nathan about whether they could be impartial, court records show.

    Scotty David told Reuters on Tuesday he "flew through" the form. He said he did not remember a question that asked if he was ever a victim of sexual abuse, but would have answered honestly. He told Reuters he was not asked about any personal experience with sex abuse in follow-up questioning.

    Scotty David did not reply to a request for comment on Thursday. Todd Spodek, a lawyer who made appearance in the case on behalf of an unnamed juror after the defense's request for a new trial, also did not respond to a request for comment.

    Some experts said they expected Nathan to examine whether Scotty David could still have been impartial despite his experience with abuse. In deliberations, jurors are allowed to relay their personal experiences so long as they do not use it in place of evidence.

    But they said Nathan might be limited in asking what happened in the jury room since judges consider the secrecy of deliberations sacrosanct.

    "Just because you're a victim of sexual assault does not mean you can't sit on a jury. Just because you lie about that does not mean she was denied a fair trial," said Zachary Margulis-Ohnuma, principal attorney at ZMO Law PLLC.

    For example, in 2016, a New York state judge declined to overturn the manslaughter conviction of a New York City police officer Peter Liang despite a juror's failure to disclose during jury selection that his estranged father had been convicted of manslaughter.

    The judge said the defense had not shown the juror's actions violated Liang's right to a fair trial.

    There is some precedent for new trials being ordered when jurors are dishonest. In 2012, the late U.S. District Judge William Pauley ordered a new trial in Manhattan federal court for defendants convicted of running a tax shelter scheme, after revelations that a juror lied during pre-trial screening.

    The juror said she only had a bachelor's degree and was a "stay-at-home wife" when she had actually graduated from law school. She later admitted to lying to make herself more "marketable" as a juror.

    Pauley called the juror "a pathological liar" in his ruling and said that if the juror had answered honestly, he would not have let her serve.

    Sharon McCarthy, a lawyer who represented one of the defendants, told Reuters the juror "literally lied in response to every question."

    The Maxwell case would likely have a different outcome, said Pace University law professor Bennett Gershman, who has written about jury misconduct. He noted that the jury acquitted Maxwell on one of the counts, suggesting they were responsible in their deliberations.

    "It's something that should have been revealed, but doesn't seem to have compromised the verdict," he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    According to Telegraph and The Times, Andrew's legal team may opt for out of court settlement, IF the case goes to trial.

    The fact Andrew is entertaining this notion proves his guilt no doubt.
    The judge seems to be taking his time here.

    Andrew settles = guilty

    Andew goes to trial = He will prove he is guilty to the world.


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    Two perjury charges against Ghislaine Maxwell will be dropped if her conviction for aiding Jeffrey Epstein's sexual abuse is allowed to stand.

    The charges are set to be the subject of a separate trial but prosecutors said scrapping the case would help victims get "closure" and avoid the "trauma of testifying again".

    The offer to dismiss the charges came in a letter on Monday night to District Judge Alison Nathan.

    Maxwell is alleged to have lied about her knowledge of Epstein's behaviour in a separate civil lawsuit in 2016. Each charge carries a maximum five-year jail sentence.

    Maxwell, 60, was found guilty last month of trafficking underage girls to be sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein and faces up to 65 years in jail.

    She was accused of recruiting and grooming four teenagers for Epstein to molest in massage rooms between 1994 and 2004 at his various properties.

    In the letter, prosecutors also asked the judge to sentence Maxwell in about three to four months' time.

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    BREAKING

    Prince Andrew fails to get US civil case dismissed

    Prince Andrew has failed in his bid to get a civil case which alleges he sexually assaulted Virginia Giuffre dismissed by a US judge.

    Ms Giuffre is suing the prince claiming he abused her when she was 17.

    His lawyers said the case should be thrown out, citing a 2009 deal she signed with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. But a New York judge ruled that the claim could be heard.

    Prince Andrew has consistently denied the allegations.

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    Virginia Giuffre 'pleased' that Prince Andrew's efforts to avoid trial failed, lawyer says

    In a statement, her lawyer David Boies said: "Virginia Giuffre is pleased that Prince Andrew's efforts to avoid a trial have been rejected and that evidence will now be taken on her claims against him.

    "She looks forward to a judicial determination of the merits of those claims."


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    https://news.sky.com/story/prince-an...royal-12508881

    A judge has rejected Prince Andrew's attempt to have the sexual assault lawsuit against him thrown out.

    US judge Lewis Kaplan refused to dismiss the case after hearing arguments from lawyers representing the royal and his accuser Virginia Giuffre.

    It means the royal will face a civil sex case trial later this year.

    Following the news, Ms Giuffre's lawyer David Boies said in a statement: "Virginia Giuffre is pleased that Prince Andrew's efforts to avoid a trial have been rejected and that evidence will now be taken on her claims against him.

    "She looks forward to a judicial determination of the merits of those claims."

    The Duke of York is being sued by Ms Giuffre, formerly known as Virginia Roberts, who claims he "committed sexual assault and battery" upon her when she was a teenager.

    She alleges that she was trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein, the late disgraced financier, to have sex with Andrew when she was aged 17.

    The duke's lawyers had asked for the civil lawsuit in New York to be dismissed after arguing Ms Giuffre waived her right to sue him when she signed a $500,000 dollar settlement agreement with Epstein.

    What has Prince Andrew been accused of?


    The 2009 document said Ms Giuffre had agreed to "release, acquit, satisfy, and forever discharge" Epstein and "any other person or entity who could have been included as a potential defendant".

    At a court hearing, Andrew Brettler, representing Andrew, said it was "unquestionable" that the royal could have been sued in the 2009 case, and would therefore be considered a "potential defendant".

    The duke's lawyer told Judge Kaplan that Ms Giuffre's lawsuit "should absolutely be dismissed", arguing it was "unfair" and "unjust".

    But Ms Giuffre's lawyer Mr Boies said Andrew would not be a "potential defendant" as referred to in the settlement, as the 2009 lawsuit made no allegation that the duke had trafficked individuals for illegal sexual activity.

    Mr Boies told the hearing: "He was somebody to whom the girls were trafficked, that's a different criteria."

    Outlining his reasons for denying the duke's motion to dismiss the civil case against him, Judge Kaplan said the agreement between Esptein and Ms Giuffre "cannot be said" to benefit the royal.In his ruling, the judge said: "The 2009 agreement cannot be said to demonstrate, clearly and unambiguously, the parties intended the instrument 'directly,' 'primarily,' or 'substantially,' to benefit Prince Andrew."

    He added: "Ms (Virginia) Giuffre's complaint is neither 'unintelligible' nor 'vague' nor 'ambiguous'.

    "It alleges discrete incidents of sexual abuse in particular circumstances at three identifiable locations. It identifies to whom it attributes that sexual abuse."

    Buckingham Palace declined to comment on the development, saying: "We would not comment on what is an ongoing legal matter."

    Ms Giuffre is seeking unspecified damages, but there is speculation the sum could be in the millions of dollars.

    Andrew, who has not been charged with any criminal offences, vehemently denies the allegations against him.

    The civil trial is expected to be held between September and December.

    Judge Kaplan had previously rejected a request to halt the civil lawsuit against Andrew over matters of jurisdiction after the duke's lawyers argued Ms Giuffre lived in Australia and not the US, where the case is being heard.

    The ruling comes after Ghislaine Maxwell was last month found guilty of recruiting underage girls to be sexually abused by her ex-boyfriend Epstein, who killed himself in 2019 while awaiting trial on sex-trafficking charges.

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...anada-59944673

    So his options are now....

    1. attend court and either clear his name, or pay compensation and be villifed forever

    2. dodge the trial, look guilty as all Hell and be hounded by the court for the rest of his days

    3. make a deposition to a British judge and accept the verdict of the NY civil court, see 1

    4. settle out of court, which will at least bring this to a close, and fade into quiet obscurity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...anada-59944673

    So his options are now....

    1. attend court and either clear his name, or pay compensation and be villifed forever

    2. dodge the trial, look guilty as all Hell and be hounded by the court for the rest of his days

    3. make a deposition to a British judge and accept the verdict of the NY civil court, see 1

    4. settle out of court, which will at least bring this to a close, and fade into quiet obscurity.

    Imo once you settle, you accept guilt.

    Hopefully they wont allow him to settle. Its going to be fun watching him give him evidence in court, the bloke is thick so will probably incriminate himself or confirm his guilt.

    Looking foward to it in the Autumn. Im assuming the fans of the Royals are a bit stressed today


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...anada-59944673

    So his options are now....

    1. attend court and either clear his name, or pay compensation and be villifed forever

    2. dodge the trial, look guilty as all Hell and be hounded by the court for the rest of his days

    3. make a deposition to a British judge and accept the verdict of the NY civil court, see 1

    4. settle out of court, which will at least bring this to a close, and fade into quiet obscurity.
    Option 1 makes no sense. If you are innocent then why pay compensation?

    Option 4 seems to be the likely outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Option 1 makes no sense. If you are innocent then why pay compensation?

    Option 4 seems to be the likely outcome.
    I dont think it will be up to Andrew the alleged peado now. The victim is already wealthy, she wants to nail this bloke and rightly so.

    Its good the Queen has also come to her senses, no longer willing to pay for his legal fees. So Andrew will be selling his assets. By this time next year, this man will be hiding for the rest of the life.


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    Andrew will settle and will eventually end up like Edward VIII after he also disgraced himself — slithering away to live in exile. In Andrew’s case, perhaps somewhere like Bermuda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I dont think it will be up to Andrew the alleged peado now. The victim is already wealthy, she wants to nail this bloke and rightly so.

    Its good the Queen has also come to her senses, no longer willing to pay for his legal fees. So Andrew will be selling his assets. By this time next year, this man will be hiding for the rest of the life.
    The public opinion of Andrew is clear, he's a peado.

    Yeah glad the Queen isn't paying for his legal fees. I reckon Andrew will disappear before the trial. Either case he's done for good. So much for serving in the navy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    The public opinion of Andrew is clear, he's a peado.

    Yeah glad the Queen isn't paying for his legal fees. I reckon Andrew will disappear before the trial. Either case he's done for good. So much for serving in the navy!
    I think hes guilty too. Then for sure there are more victims out there, Andy could be in the news every other year for a decade to come.

    When the Queen dies, there could be a movement to end the Royal Family. Not sure the UK public would vote to abolish the monarchy though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I think hes guilty too. Then for sure there are more victims out there, Andy could be in the news every other year for a decade to come.

    When the Queen dies, there could be a movement to end the Royal Family. Not sure the UK public would vote to abolish the monarchy though.
    There's no doubt peado prince has beyond dented the image of the Monarchy and the some.

    How must the Queen feel. I still do not understand why/how she green lit his car crash interview with the BBC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Option 1 makes no sense. If you are innocent then why pay compensation?
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    If the court finds for Guiffre, it will instruct the Duke to compensate her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I dont think it will be up to Andrew the alleged peado now. The victim is already wealthy, she wants to nail this bloke and rightly so.
    He isn’t alleged to be a paedophile - that means sexual offences against a child.

    Guiffre has alleged that he sexually assaulted her when she was 17, which is over the age of consent in the UK where the alleged assault took place. So the allegation is sexual assault of an adult woman.

    He doesn’t have to attend court. He can send a deposition via a British judge. But that could count against him with the jury. They may think - “We bothered to turn up, why didn’t he? Let’s punish him for not turning up.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Andrew will settle and will eventually end up like Edward VIII after he also disgraced himself — slithering away to live in exile. In Andrew’s case, perhaps somewhere like Bermuda.
    This seems the most likely outcome, assuming that Guiffre accepts whatever he offers in settlement. She may stand on principle and demand her day in court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    He isn’t alleged to be a paedophile - that means sexual offences against a child.

    Guiffre has alleged that he sexually assaulted her when she was 17, which is over the age of consent in the UK where the alleged assault took place. So the allegation is sexual assault of an adult woman.

    He doesn’t have to attend court. He can send a deposition via a British judge. But that could count against him with the jury. They may think - “We bothered to turn up, why didn’t he? Let’s punish him for not turning up.”
    You are missing a crucial detail. Guiffre alleged Andrew abused her 3 times, one of them in USA where having sex with a 17 year old is classed as a minor - aka child in the state of NY.

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    To be clear : Giuffre alleged that Epstein forced her to have sex with Prince Andrew in his New York mansion, in London, and on Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands in 2001 when she was 17.

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    A lawyer for the woman accusing the Duke of York of sexually assaulting her at 17 says a money settlement alone will not be enough for his client.

    Prince Andrew faces a civil case in the US after Virginia Giuffre sued him, claiming he abused her in 2001. He has consistently denied the claims.

    A judge has ruled the case can continue after Prince Andrew tried to have it dismissed.

    David Boies, Ms Giuffre's lawyer, told the BBC she wants to be vindicated.

    Prince Andrew's lawyers had cited a 2009 deal Ms Giuffre signed with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein as grounds for the dismissal of the case, arguing she had waived her right to pursue a claim against the royal.

    But Judge Lewis A Kaplan said the case could continue, adding that this ruling did not determine the "truth or falsity" of Ms Giuffre's compaint. The case against Prince Andrew, 61, could now be heard in court later this year.

    Mr Boies told BBC's Newsnight the ruling was "an important step" in moving towards a trial.

    He said: "I think it's very important to Virginia Giuffre that this matter be resolved in a way that vindicates her and vindicates the other victims. I don't think she has a firm view as to exactly what a solution should be.

    "But I think what's going to be important is that this resolution vindicates her and vindicates the claim she has made."

    In court documents, Ms Giuffre said she was the victim of sex trafficking and abuse by late billionaire financier Epstein.

    Part of her abuse involved being lent out to other powerful men, she alleges.

    Prince Andrew, the Queen's second son, said in an interview with BBC Newsnight in 2019 that he had no recollection of ever meeting Virginia Giuffre, and her account of them having sex in the US and UK "didn't happen".

    Asked if Ms Giuffre would be open to a settlement, her lawyer said he did not want to "pre-judge that", adding there had been "no suggestion of settlement discussions at this point".

    "A purely financial statement is not anything I think she is interested in," he said.

    Ms Giuffre filed a civil case in New York in August 2021 under the state's Child Victims Act, which allows survivors of childhood sexual abuse to pursue a case which otherwise would have been barred because too much time had passed.

    Now 38, she says the three alleged instances of abuse by Prince Andrew continue to cause her "significant emotional and psychological distress and harm".

    Prince Andrew withdrew from public duties soon after his 2019 appearance on Newsnight.

    He used the interview to reiterate his denials of Ms Giuffre's claims and explain his one-time friendship with Epstein and the financier's girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell.

    One of Ms Giuffre's allegations is that Prince Andrew abused her at the London home of Maxwell, who in December was convicted by a jury in New York of procuring teenage girls for Epstein.

    Prince Andrew's lawyers could potentially launch an appeal against Judge Kaplan's decision - although they would need his permission to do so, and legal commentators say the wording of his decision suggests it would not be granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    You are missing a crucial detail. Guiffre alleged Andrew abused her 3 times, one of them in USA where having sex with a 17 year old is classed as a minor - aka child in the state of NY.
    Ah well that is a different matter then.

    Though sex with a 16- or 17-year-old would be classed as statutory rape in NY, not child molestation.

    That’s under criminal law. This case is civil law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Ah well that is a different matter then.

    Though sex with a 16- or 17-year-old would be classed as statutory rape in NY, not child molestation.

    That’s under criminal law. This case is civil law.
    Different matter? It's part of the same case/claim.

    https://inews.co.uk/news/civil-case-...lained-1396984

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Different matter? It's part of the same case/claim.

    https://inews.co.uk/news/civil-case-...lained-1396984
    Different matter in terms of age of consent in NY and London, I mean.

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    The Duke of York's military titles and royal patronages have been returned to the Queen, Buckingham Palace has announced.

    Prince Andrew will also stop using the style His Royal Highness in an official capacity, a royal source added.

    ...

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    Even the Queen has cast him out now.

    Andrew is finished!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    This seems the most likely outcome, assuming that Guiffre accepts whatever he offers in settlement. She may stand on principle and demand her day in court.
    Depends on how much of his riches Andrew offers her. A princely sum might make her day in court less important to her.

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    The Duke of York's military titles and royal patronages have been returned to the Queen, Buckingham Palace has announced.

    Prince Andrew will also stop using the style His Royal Highness in an official capacity, a royal source added.

    The duke's roles will be distributed among members of the Royal Family.

    It comes as he faces a civil case in the US over claims he sexually assaulted a woman when she was 17, which he has consistently denied.

    A judge ruled on Wednesday that the case brought by Virginia Giuffre could continue, after he tried to have it dismissed.

    Buckingham Palace said in a statement: "With the Queen's approval and agreement, the Duke of York's military affiliations and Royal patronages have been returned to the Queen.

    "The Duke of York will continue not to undertake any public duties and is defending this case as a private citizen."

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Even the Queen has cast him out now.

    Andrew is finished!
    She’s taken all his titles back. Wow.

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    Credit to the Queen, she has done the right thing.

    You cannot defend anyone, even your own son until he has been cleared of all allegations.

    If his case goes against him, Queen should come out with a statment on such vile crimes against minors and women in general.


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    Splendid news!

    Also looks like an out of court settlement may be refused.

    Prince Andrew accuser unlikely to accept money settlement alone, says lawyer : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59977517

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    This is radical by The Queen.

    At age 95 she has disempowered her favourite son to protect the rest of her family and her institution.

    One tough old lady.

    She must feel crushed, after losing her beloved husband of 73 years, that her son has brought this shame on her house. In Platinum Jubilee year too.

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    The woman who has accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault has said she will "continue to expose the truth" and thanked the judge who rejected the royal's attempts to have the lawsuit thrown out.

    Virginia Giuffre tweeted: "I'm pleased with Judge Kaplan's ruling yesterday that allows my case against Prince Andrew to go forward. I'm glad I will have the chance to continue to expose the truth & I am deeply grateful to my extraordinary legal team.

    "Their determination helps me seek justice from those who hurt me and so many others. My goal has always been to show that the rich and powerful are not above the law & must be held accountable.

    "I do not walk this path alone, but alongside countless other survivors of sexual abuse & trafficking."

    It comes as US judge Lewis Kaplan refused to dismiss the case after hearing arguments from Andrew and Ms Giuffre.

    The prince has also had all of his military titles and royal patronages taken away as a result of the controversy.

    In his 46-page document ruling, Judge Kaplan said Andrew's request was "denied in all respects".

    The duke's lawyers had asked for the civil lawsuit in New York to be dismissed after arguing Ms Giuffre waived her right to sue him when she signed a $500,000 dollar settlement agreement with Epstein.

    The 2009 document said Ms Giuffre had agreed to "release, acquit, satisfy, and forever discharge" Epstein and "any other person or entity who could have been included as a potential defendant".

    However, the judge ruled it was "far from a model of clear and precise drafting".

    He added: "Unless the terms of an agreement leave no unreasonable doubt… the ambiguity must be resolved by the trier of fact, ordinarily a trial jury".

    The Duke of York will face a civil sex case trial later this year over claims he committed "sexual assault and battery" upon Ms Giuffre when she was a teenager.

    She alleges she was trafficked by disgraced billionaire Jeffrey Epstein to have sex with Andrew when she was 17.

    The Duke has repeatedly denied the claims, and he has not been charged with any criminal offences.

    On Thursday, the royal was stripped of his military titles and royal patronages, and will no longer style himself "His Royal Highness".

    Last month, Ghislaine Maxwell was found guilty of recruiting underage girls to be sexually abused by her ex-boyfriend Epstein, who killed himself in 2019 while awaiting trial on sex-trafficking charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    This is radical by The Queen.

    At age 95 she has disempowered her favourite son to protect the rest of her family and her institution.

    One tough old lady.

    She must feel crushed, after losing her beloved husband of 73 years, that her son has brought this shame on her house. In Platinum Jubilee year too.
    She must be ruing the day she gave permission to Andrew for that car crash interview. She trusted him, but he clearly betrayed his own mother.

    Ouch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Credit to the Queen, she has done the right thing.

    You cannot defend anyone, even your own son until he has been cleared of all allegations.

    If his case goes against him, Queen should come out with a statment on such vile crimes against minors and women in general.
    I think it’s safe to say the allegations are now fact. The evidence in public is damning.

    - his association with Epstein, before he was convicted of sex trafficking, and after.
    - his visits to Epstein’s peado island. Confirmed by witnesses, and recorded in Maxwell’s trial.
    - the black book enteries
    - the picture of him, with Maxwell and Virginia, proving he was lying when he said he didn’t know her or never met her
    - his legal team attempting to throw out the case based on a settlement made in 2009
    - his immediate family omitting him from family photos at his daughter’s wedding
    - stripped of his titles
    - the car crash interview - which clearly is on the verge of incriminating him

    The Queen would no way strip Andrew of his titles based on allegations. He is guilty through and through, he knows it, his family know it, the public know it, and might have even confessed to his mother!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    She must be ruing the day she gave permission to Andrew for that car crash interview. She trusted him, but he clearly betrayed his own mother.

    Ouch!
    It is evidence for Guiffre’s lawyers. A spectacular own-goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    This is radical by The Queen.

    At age 95 she has disempowered her favourite son to protect the rest of her family and her institution.

    One tough old lady.

    She must feel crushed, after losing her beloved husband of 73 years, that her son has brought this shame on her house. In Platinum Jubilee year too.
    By doing the right thing about her son, which will have been very painful for her, the Queen has done her job and duty & put the Crown above personal relationships. Of course Her Majesty will have known full well that if she had not cut ties with Andrew then this scandal could have brought down the British monarchy for good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    By doing the right thing about her son, which will have been very painful for her, the Queen has done her job and duty & put the Crown above personal relationships. Of course Her Majesty will have known full well that if she had not cut ties with Andrew then this scandal could have brought down the British monarchy for good.
    There is an article in The Independent suggesting that British love for the Monarchy is now connected to The Queen only, not the institution itself.

    As the Boomers grow older and leave the stage, younger generations start to ask what the Monarchy is for, and their clamour will grow. They will be increasingly out of place in contemporary society.

    Charles III could be the last of the British line of Kings. Or he could obviate the threat by radically downscaling the Royal households. But he looks very old now. He won’t be able to re-invigorate the Monarchy. Maybe William and Kate can, if he hands off to them in short order.

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