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    ‘Absolutely No Mercy’: Leaked Files Expose How China Organized Mass Detentions of Muslims

    China has detained up to a million Muslims, a campaign it calls a benevolent and routine effort against the pull of extremism. But 403 pages of Communist Party documents we obtained reveal how officials plotted to carry out a ruthless, coercive clampdown.

    You should read some of the pages shared on the website I've given below. It has been translated. It's truly awful how they're treating the Uighur muslims and I don't see how Pakistan can support this.
    I think we supported this because for a long time china supported us regarding the Masood Azhar case but still. For an islamic country to support the prosecution of muslims is unprecedented.

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    A lot of muslim nations ignore China's awful treatment of Uyghurs. Iran is doing a Pakistan by ignoring the crisis while Saudi Arabia has publicly defended China on this. Turkey might be the only nation that has publicly condemned the act, might be because Uyghurs are Turkic people.

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    Pakistan is not the thekedaar of Muslims all around the World. Kashmir is unique because its a disputed territory and people of Kashmir support Pakistan

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    One would expect them to learn from their Japanese experience but for them it has been the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafeezrocks View Post
    Pakistan is not the thekedaar of Muslims all around the World. Kashmir is unique because its a disputed territory and people of Kashmir support Pakistan
    What about assm NRC? Assam isn't disputed land and what course should taken upon illegal immigrants is India's internal matter. Then why IK commenting on it?

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    The idea of a muslim ummah is just a relic of the past, when the muslims were much fewer in number and spread over arabia.
    Now , theres a billion plus muslims , spread all over the world, a muslim ummah is not practically feasible.
    Every muslim country is looking out for its own best interest. Unfortunately, pakistan is heavily reliant on china for diplomatic and military assistance, so are unable to speak out against this evil, wicked chinese policy.
    The arabs dont care, because they only care about themselves, so again the muslim world will have to wait for the west to do something about this, but the west too, is undergoing a loss of conscience with right wing leaders, such as trump.
    May Allah(swt) help save our muslim brothers and sisters in china!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    What about assm NRC? Assam isn't disputed land and what course should taken upon illegal immigrants is India's internal matter. Then why IK commenting on it?
    Probably to try and build a narrative of India systematically discriminating against Muslims to give weight to Pakistan's position on Kashmir.

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    lol @ new york times "obtaining 403 pages" of a document from the CCP from some unnamed "source". I'm no fan of China and support the Uighurs to have their own country but there is A LOT of anti-China propaganda and fake news about what's going on over there whether it's about CCP, the uighurs or the hong kong issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistanian View Post
    lol @ new york times "obtaining 403 pages" of a document from the CCP from some unnamed "source". I'm no fan of China and support the Uighurs to have their own country but there is A LOT of anti-China propaganda and fake news about what's going on over there whether it's about CCP, the uighurs or the hong kong issue.

    As I have said before as well, the existence of some fake news does not negate the actual atrocities

    Just like the "fake picture" of a Kashmiri child at UN

    Just like the fake testimony by the Kuwaiti ambassadors daughter after the Iraqi invasion

    I am sure there were "fake" news targeting the Serbs during and after Srebrenica.

    China has done a lot of harm there, now just because NYT or BBC may use it as part of some anti China agenda does not mean the original atrocity gets diluted

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongHorn View Post
    As I have said before as well, the existence of some fake news does not negate the actual atrocities

    Just like the "fake picture" of a Kashmiri child at UN

    Just like the fake testimony by the Kuwaiti ambassadors daughter after the Iraqi invasion

    I am sure there were "fake" news targeting the Serbs during and after Srebrenica.

    China has done a lot of harm there, now just because NYT or BBC may use it as part of some anti China agenda does not mean the original atrocity gets diluted
    Of course but there's a concerted media war on china whether it's about uighurs, tibet, hong kong, pollution, trade, 5G or more recently TikTok or the Beijing games in the past- the mainstream media doesn't care about Uighurs or human rights, they're disguising their opportunism behind altruism.

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    Is it possible for imran khan to offer to take the uighurs and relocate them in baltistan/gilgit?
    Alot of people in baltistan/gilgit are married to uighur women.
    This way pakistan can keep on with its good relations with china and at the same time help these poor people
    Also, turkey would appreciate this and grow our bond even stronger.

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    That is why our main establishment is stupid. Being slave from USA to China hasn’t changed anything. They are cowards along with Imran Khan who will be nowhere to highlight the mass genocide of Muslims in China at store.

    If main establishment hadn’t gotten involved and allowed Pakistan to flourish, then Pakistan wouldn’t be in this pathetic condition selling its own soul to China in exchange for slavery with higher interest rate that is exorbitant to begin with. Let’s start accountability with main establishment first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistanian View Post
    Of course but there's a concerted media war on china whether it's about uighurs, tibet, hong kong, pollution, trade, 5G or more recently TikTok or the Beijing games in the past- the mainstream media doesn't care about Uighurs or human rights, they're disguising their opportunism behind altruism.
    Why should we care about the media war? And why should we have this motherly concern for China as to how unfairly they are being targeted ?

    If we lived in 70s and 80s, we would have known of an even stronger media war against the Soviet Union. But I am sure hardly any Pakistani back then was concerned as to how the Soviets were being subject to unfair criticism

    Geopolitical concerns dictate that GOP/IK/Pakistani army cannot speak against China, and that is fully understood

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain caveman View Post
    Is it possible for imran khan to offer to take the uighurs and relocate them in baltistan/gilgit?
    Alot of people in baltistan/gilgit are married to uighur women.
    This way pakistan can keep on with its good relations with china and at the same time help these poor people
    Also, turkey would appreciate this and grow our bond even stronger.
    That would involve China openly admitting that they don't want the Uighur's, which would never happen. Besides, Pakistan's fragile economy can't handle a sudden influx of millions of people

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    Quote Originally Posted by angrypathan View Post
    That would involve China openly admitting that they don't want the Uighur's, which would never happen. Besides, Pakistan's fragile economy can't handle a sudden influx of millions of people
    Good points.
    But if the chinese and pak did a close deal were they make it seem like the uighur's choice to move to pakistan , they would move them slowly, not all at the same time and china can help to fund the move and repatriation, considering it must be costing them a fortune to keep 1 million plus uighurs in these concentration camps.
    I think it is possible, but it depends on the political will of both pak and china.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain caveman View Post
    Good points.
    But if the chinese and pak did a close deal were they make it seem like the uighur's choice to move to pakistan , they would move them slowly, not all at the same time and china can help to fund the move and repatriation, considering it must be costing them a fortune to keep 1 million plus uighurs in these concentration camps.
    I think it is possible, but it depends on the political will of both pak and china.
    This is going to get very embarrassing for the chinese in the future, this way pak can help out our friend china and rescue the uighurs, plus pak can make some money out of this good deed as well.
    Its a win win situation for pak and china.
    Come on imran, what are you waiting for, rescue our uighur brothers and sisters!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain caveman View Post
    Good points.
    But if the chinese and pak did a close deal were they make it seem like the uighur's choice to move to pakistan , they would move them slowly, not all at the same time and china can help to fund the move and repatriation, considering it must be costing them a fortune to keep 1 million plus uighurs in these concentration camps.
    I think it is possible, but it depends on the political will of both pak and china.
    Quote Originally Posted by Captain caveman View Post
    This is going to get very embarrassing for the chinese in the future, this way pak can help out our friend china and rescue the uighurs, plus pak can make some money out of this good deed as well.
    Its a win win situation for pak and china.
    Come on imran, what are you waiting for, rescue our uighur brothers and sisters!
    The Uighurs also have their own national identity. Even in China they have been demanding independence over the years. The last thing Pakistan would want right now would be another independence movement within its country, especially in an already autonomous region like Gilgit-Baltistan.

    I admire your passion and desire to help the Uighurs, but settling them into Pakistan is just not a wise or feasible move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain caveman View Post
    Come on imran, what are you waiting for, rescue our uighur brothers and sisters!
    Muslim Ummah Disclaimer: Conditions apply, we Pakistanis don't feel any connections or similarities with the Ughyur muslims.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    What about assm NRC? Assam isn't disputed land and what course should taken upon illegal immigrants is India's internal matter. Then why IK commenting on it?
    The same reason India feel necessary to poke their nose in Balochistan, to undermine Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angrypathan View Post
    The Uighurs also have their own national identity. Even in China they have been demanding independence over the years. The last thing Pakistan would want right now would be another independence movement within its country, especially in an already autonomous region like Gilgit-Baltistan.

    I admire your passion and desire to help the Uighurs, but settling them into Pakistan is just not a wise or feasible move.
    Yes you are probably right and i did also have some reservations about terrorism, by some uighurs.
    But pehharps with the chinese we can filter out the terrorist type and take the non violent type?
    Feel bad to leave them in those camps.
    But you also make good points, about pakistans security.
    Difficult one!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Muslim Ummah Disclaimer: Conditions apply, we Pakistanis don't feel any connections or similarities with the Ughyur muslims.




    lol
    Just sad.
    Doesn't matter if they are muslim or not, if you feel a connection or not, they are HUMAN!
    Where is your humanity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain caveman View Post
    Just sad.
    Doesn't matter if they are muslim or not, if you feel a connection or not, they are HUMAN!
    Where is your humanity?
    Where is your PM's so called humanity and concern for Muslims here?


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    The behaviour of the Chinese is disgusting and IA they will pay a big price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Where is your PM's so called humanity and concern for Muslims here?
    Does Modi not care for humanity , does it have to be a Muslim PM speaking about atrocities committed on Muslims, why can't a non muslim leader of so called powerful and secular country?

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    I see RSS/BJP brigade are here trying to justify their government and their support of their government crimes against minorities.

    Calm down, we already know ya'll been trying your best to justify whatever happening in kashmir and to the muslims of India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Where is your PM's so called humanity and concern for Muslims here?
    China have bought off Pakistan's criticism. India can do the same and then everything will be equal.


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    Imran Khan can make a passionate speech at the UN for Kashmiri Muslims but turns a blind eye to the sufferings of Muslims in China. Apparently, for Imran Khan not all Muslims are equal and he will speak up for only those where he knows he benefits in the end and his cult praises him of being some amazing orator when in the end he is a two faced person who is only concerned about himself and his own achievements and nothing else beyond that




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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    Imran Khan can make a passionate speech at the UN for Kashmiri Muslims but turns a blind eye to the sufferings of Muslims in China. Apparently, for Imran Khan not all Muslims are equal and he will speak up for only those where he knows he benefits in the end and his cult praises him of being some amazing orator when in the end he is a two faced person who is only concerned about himself and his own achievements and nothing else beyond that
    What a poor post from someone flying a flag of Pakistan as their nationality. Pakistan's economy is dependent on several projects currently running in partnership with China. What would you propose Imran Khan to do? Denounce China and declare global Islamic solidarity with Isis to fulfil the Islamic duty to the global Ummah?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    What a poor post from someone flying a flag of Pakistan as their nationality. Pakistan's economy is dependent on several projects currently running in partnership with China. What would you propose Imran Khan to do? Denounce China and declare global Islamic solidarity with Isis to fulfil the Islamic duty to the global Ummah?
    Or stop talking about being a savior for Muslims. Don't comment on the sufferings of the Kashmiri Muslims at all at the risk of sounding like a hypocrite.




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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    Or stop talking about being a savior for Muslims. Don't comment on the sufferings of the Kashmiri Muslims at all at the risk of sounding like a hypocrite.
    Yes that's what patwaris want. Pakistan to bow before Modi and let his army rape and maim Kashmiris. Afterall your supreme leader invited his buddy Modi to his granddaughter's wedding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Yes that's what patwaris want. Pakistan to bow before Modi and let his army rape and maim Kashmiris. Afterall your supreme leader invited his buddy Modi to his granddaughter's wedding.
    I don't understand. You're saying it's okay to not speak up about the sufferings of Chinese Muslims and it's fine to let them suffer but when it comes to Kashmiri Muslims the yardstick is completely different?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistanian View Post
    lol @ new york times "obtaining 403 pages" of a document from the CCP from some unnamed "source". I'm no fan of China and support the Uighurs to have their own country but there is A LOT of anti-China propaganda and fake news about what's going on over there whether it's about CCP, the uighurs or the hong kong issue.
    Taking care of your national interests and going through great lengths to defend a tyrannical regime are completely two different things. Pakistan doesn’t have to issue statements in support of Chinese regime, thats the least thing they can do.

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    The Chinese are being evil. IA they too will fall, bigger empires have crashed because they were evil, the Chinese are nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    Or stop talking about being a savior for Muslims. Don't comment on the sufferings of the Kashmiri Muslims at all at the risk of sounding like a hypocrite.
    Why does it bother you if he talks about Kashmir Muslims? Kashmir is a disputed territory which should be part of Pakistan, can you say the same about Uihghur in China?

    Only people who try to draw this false comparison usually are Indian posters, so you are in good company.


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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    Imran Khan can make a passionate speech at the UN for Kashmiri Muslims but turns a blind eye to the sufferings of Muslims in China. Apparently, for Imran Khan not all Muslims are equal and he will speak up for only those where he knows he benefits in the end and his cult praises him of being some amazing orator when in the end he is a two faced person who is only concerned about himself and his own achievements and nothing else beyond that
    The whole world saw through that performance except the cult-followers who were in awe.

    There was a reason why that act didn’t garner enough support and nothing has been achieved to reserve the situation in Kashmir.

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    Kashmir is a fight between Pak and India. Pak has never claimed any part of China anymore then we do Babri Masjid.


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    China is reportedly sending men to sleep in the same beds as Uighur Muslim women while their husbands are in prison camps

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bus...report-2019-11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Why does it bother you if he talks about Kashmir Muslims? Kashmir is a disputed territory which should be part of Pakistan, can you say the same about Uihghur in China?

    Only people who try to draw this false comparison usually are Indian posters, so you are in good company.
    I think the obejction lies in the line of double standard. When IK talks about Kashmir, he mentions suffering of fellow Muslims. In case of NRC also, he used the same. But NRC was no where related to religion which showed his lack of knowledge in the subject he speaks.

    If you state that IK was speaking about Kashmir due to disputed territory, then IK shouldn't have commented on NRC. Assam is an integral part of India.

    In the same way, he is silent about uighur Muslims.

    I think most people would want to stop false representation of Muslim concerns by IK when he does discriminate between Muslims depending upon geolocation. If you are taking all the steps for your own interests, then just admit it. No need to bring religion card into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Why does it bother you if he talks about Kashmir Muslims? Kashmir is a disputed territory which should be part of Pakistan, can you say the same about Uihghur in China?

    Only people who try to draw this false comparison usually are Indian posters, so you are in good company.
    So Imran Khan is speaking about Kashmir as a territory or Kashmiri Muslims because his speech was specifically about Kashmiri Muslims and he did not touch upon the Kashmiri hindu's or Pandit's.

    When Imran Khan speaks about Kashmir he does not speak about Kashmir as a territory he speaks about the plight of Kashmiri Muslims and the suffering they are enduring. In his speech at the UN he spoke about how terrorism is not linked to Islam. He spoke about the Hijab issue in the west. His speech was all about Islam and how it is perceived and how Muslims are suffering and then he highlighted specifically the issue of Kashmiri Muslims.

    This is wher the hypocrisy lies and it is clearly obvious to everyone. The US has called him out for it as well (Read up on what Alicia Wells said).

    The fact that he only speaks about the sufferings of Kashmiri Muslims and tends to ignore everything else is exactly why no one takes him seriously and no one ever will.

    You're completely wrong in your assessment that it bothers me if he speaks about Kashmiri Muslims. What bothers me is hypocrisy. Either speak up about all Muslims or don't speak up at all. If you want to address Kashmir as a disputed territory address it properly and not just talk about the Muslims suffering there also address the other minorities in Kashmir.

    Moreover, he has no right to speak about minorities in other countries when minorities in Pakistan itself are suffering. What has Imran Khan done for the plight of Ahmedi's in Pakistan? His statements are hypocritical on many levels and he needs to be called out for it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    So Imran Khan is speaking about Kashmir as a territory or Kashmiri Muslims because his speech was specifically about Kashmiri Muslims and he did not touch upon the Kashmiri hindu's or Pandit's.

    When Imran Khan speaks about Kashmir he does not speak about Kashmir as a territory he speaks about the plight of Kashmiri Muslims and the suffering they are enduring. In his speech at the UN he spoke about how terrorism is not linked to Islam. He spoke about the Hijab issue in the west. His speech was all about Islam and how it is perceived and how Muslims are suffering and then he highlighted specifically the issue of Kashmiri Muslims.

    This is wher the hypocrisy lies and it is clearly obvious to everyone. The US has called him out for it as well (Read up on what Alicia Wells said).

    The fact that he only speaks about the sufferings of Kashmiri Muslims and tends to ignore everything else is exactly why no one takes him seriously and no one ever will.

    You're completely wrong in your assessment that it bothers me if he speaks about Kashmiri Muslims. What bothers me is hypocrisy. Either speak up about all Muslims or don't speak up at all. If you want to address Kashmir as a disputed territory address it properly and not just talk about the Muslims suffering there also address the other minorities in Kashmir.

    Moreover, he has no right to speak about minorities in other countries when minorities in Pakistan itself are suffering. What has Imran Khan done for the plight of Ahmedi's in Pakistan? His statements are hypocritical on many levels and he needs to be called out for it.
    Wow, the US has called him out on his hypocrisy as well you say? The same US that is in bed with Saudi Arabia perhaps? The real world works on realpolitik, you won't be able to name me one leader who isn't accused of similar 'hypocrisy'.

    These arguments against IK, or indeed Pakistan, are only every brought by Indians and their cheerleaders. All countries are working with regimes they don't like in their national interests. I am sure if India were able to offer Pakistan similar trade and commerce agreements, Pakistan would be in a position to be less dependent on other neighbours. I think this is a policy which Indian govt should pursue as the other major power in Asia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Wow, the US has called him out on his hypocrisy as well you say? The same US that is in bed with Saudi Arabia perhaps? The real world works on realpolitik, you won't be able to name me one leader who isn't accused of similar 'hypocrisy'.

    These arguments against IK, or indeed Pakistan, are only every brought by Indians and their cheerleaders. All countries are working with regimes they don't like in their national interests. I am sure if India were able to offer Pakistan similar trade and commerce agreements, Pakistan would be in a position to be less dependent on other neighbours. I think this is a policy which Indian govt should pursue as the other major power in Asia.
    So basically you agree that Imran is being hypocritical in his statements and you're saying its fine as long as we get a financial benefit out of it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Yes that's what patwaris want. Pakistan to bow before Modi and let his army rape and maim Kashmiris. Afterall your supreme leader invited his buddy Modi to his granddaughter's wedding.

    Pakistan saying something or not saying something on kashmir wont make any difference to India. The Indian govt doesnot care.

    May be sharif realised it and wanted to move on.

    There is simply nothing pakistan can do to get kashmir. And there is no other country which supports pakistan beyond lip service.

    About time pakistan moves on from Kashmir. Let Loc be the IB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    So basically you agree that Imran is being hypocritical in his statements and you're saying its fine as long as we get a financial benefit out of it.
    I don't describe this as hypocrisy, I think a better term is realpolitik, because I am honest enough to accept this is how the real world works today. If it is wrong, then of course it is also wrong for Trump, Johnson, Macron et al.

    But I am also open to alternatives and would be happy to hear how you think it should be handled differently. I see you are quite indignant about Imran not speaking up more, but how would you prefer to see it play out?


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    Leaked documents detail for the first time China's systematic brainwashing of hundreds of thousands of Muslims in a network of high-security prison camps.

    The Chinese government has consistently claimed the camps in the far western Xinjiang region offer voluntary education and training.

    But official documents, seen by BBC Panorama, show how inmates are locked up, indoctrinated and punished.

    China's UK ambassador dismissed the documents as fake news.

    The leak was made to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) , which has worked with 17 media partners, including BBC Panorama and The Guardian newspaper in the UK.

    The investigation has found new evidence which undermines Beijing's claim that the detention camps, which have been built across Xinjiang in the past three years, are for voluntary re-education purposes to counter extremism.

    About a million people - mostly from the Muslim Uighur community - are thought to have been detained without trial.

    The leaked Chinese government documents, which the ICIJ have labelled "The China Cables", include a nine-page memo sent out in 2017 by Zhu Hailun, then deputy-secretary of Xinjiang's Communist Party and the region's top security official, to those who run the camps.

    The instructions make it clear that the camps should be run as high security prisons, with strict discipline, punishments and no escapes.

    The memo includes orders to:

    The documents reveal how every aspect of a detainee's life is monitored and controlled: "The students should have a fixed bed position, fixed queue position, fixed classroom seat, and fixed station during skills work, and it is strictly forbidden for this to be changed.

    "Implement behavioural norms and discipline requirements for getting up, roll call, washing, going to the toilet, organising and housekeeping, eating, studying, sleeping, closing the door and so forth."

    Other documents confirm the extraordinary scale of the detentions. One reveals that 15,000 people from southern Xinjiang were sent to the camps over the course of just one week in 2017.

    Sophie Richardson, the China director at Human Rights Watch, said the leaked memo should be used by prosecutors.

    "This is an actionable piece of evidence, documenting a gross human rights violation," she said. "I think it's fair to describe everyone being detained as being subject at least to psychological torture, because they literally don't know how long they're going to be there."

    The memo details how detainees will only be released when they can demonstrate they have transformed their behaviour, beliefs and language.

    "Promote the repentance and confession of the students for them to understand deeply the illegal, criminal and dangerous nature of their past activity," it says.

    "For those who harbour vague understandings, negative attitudes or even feelings of resistance… carry out education transformation to ensure that results are achieved."

    Ben Emmerson QC, a leading human rights lawyer and an adviser to the World Uighur Congress, said the camps were trying to change people's identity.

    "It is very difficult to view that as anything other than a mass brainwashing scheme designed and directed at an entire ethnic community.

    "It's a total transformation that is designed specifically to wipe the Muslim Uighurs of Xinjiang as a separate cultural group off the face of the Earth."

    Detainees are awarded points for their "ideological transformation, study and training, and compliance with discipline", the memo says.

    The punishment-and-reward system helps determine whether inmates are allowed contact with family and when they are released. They are only considered for release once four Communist Party committees have seen evidence they have been transformed.

    The leaked documents also reveal how the Chinese government uses mass surveillance and a predictive-policing programme that analyses personal data.

    One document shows how the system flagged 1.8m people simply because they had a data sharing app called Zapya on their phone.

    The authorities then ordered the investigation of 40,557 of them "one by one". The document says "if it is not possible to eliminate suspicion" they should be sent for "concentrated training".

    The documents include explicit directives to arrest Uighurs with foreign citizenship and to track Uighurs living abroad. They suggest that China's embassies and consulates are involved in the global dragnet.

    Chinese ambassador to the UK Liu Xiaoming said the measures had safeguarded local people and there had not been a single terrorist attack in Xinjiang in the past three years.

    "The region now enjoys social stability and unity among ethnic groups. People there are living a happy life with a much stronger sense of fulfilment and security.

    "In total disregard of the facts, some people in the West have been fiercely slandering and smearing China over Xinjiang in an attempt to create an excuse to interfere in China's internal affairs, disrupt China's counter-terrorism efforts in Xinjiang and thwart China's steady development."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world...mpression=true


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    China has criticised Pope Francis over a passage in his new book in which he mentions the suffering of China’s Uighur Muslim minority group, saying his remarks have “no factual basis at all”.

    “People of all ethnic groups enjoy the full rights of survival, development, and freedom of religious belief,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian said at a daily news briefing in Beijing on Tuesday.

    Zhao made no mention of the camps in which more than a million Uighurs and members of other Chinese Muslim minority groups are reported to be held.

    The United States and other governments, along with human rights groups, say the prison-like facilities are intended to separate Muslims from their religious and cultural heritage, forcing them to declare loyalty to China’s ruling Communist Party and its leader, Xi Jinping.

    China, after initially denying the existence of the facilities, says they are centres intended to provide job training and prevent “terrorism” and religious “extremism” – on a voluntary basis.

    In his new book, Let Us Dream, due on December 1, Francis listed the “poor Uighurs” among examples of groups persecuted for their faith.

    Francis wrote about the need to see the world from the peripheries and the margins of society, “to places of sin and misery, of exclusion and suffering, of illness and solitude”.

    “I think often of persecuted peoples: the Rohingya, the poor Uighurs, the Yazidi – what ISIS (ISIL) did to them was truly cruel – or Christians in Egypt and Pakistan killed by bombs that went off while they prayed in church,” Francis writes in his book.

    Francis, however, has declined to call out China for its crackdown on religious minorities, including Catholics, much to the dismay of the Trump administration and human rights groups.

    The Vatican last month renewed its controversial agreement with Beijing on nominating Catholic bishops, and Francis has been careful to not say or do anything to offend the Chinese government on the subject.

    China and the Vatican have had no formal relations since the Communist Party cut ties and arrested Catholic clerics soon after seizing power in 1949.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...ighur-minority


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    Quote Originally Posted by Relic View Post
    China has detained up to a million Muslims, a campaign it calls a benevolent and routine effort against the pull of extremism. But 403 pages of Communist Party documents we obtained reveal how officials plotted to carry out a ruthless, coercive clampdown.

    You should read some of the pages shared on the website I've given below. It has been translated. It's truly awful how they're treating the Uighur muslims and I don't see how Pakistan can support this.
    I think we supported this because for a long time china supported us regarding the Masood Azhar case but still. For an islamic country to support the prosecution of muslims is unprecedented.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...mid=tw-nytimes
    I don't know where you get this idea that Pakistan support prosecution of muslims in China. I have seen Pakistanis highlighting injustices of muslims in China. No muslim support injustices to other muslims as this may result in not recognizing as a muslim by Allah on judgement day and thus eternal hell-fire.

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    May Allah save all the souls suffering at the hands of all the evil regimes.

    As for Pakistan, it has a black history of committing genocides and killing hundred of thousands of people. Too much to ask from such a regime to condemn genocides.


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