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    "Mohammad Amir, Wahab Riaz thought they'll play leagues around the world, make money" : Wasim Akram

    Pakistan Test legend Wasim Akram has pointed at the premature Test retirement of Mohammad Amir as one of the reasons for the dire showing in the opening Test against Australia.

    The tourists came into the series opener with an largely inexperienced bowling attack featuring two teenagers in Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah, and were picked apart by Australia's opening pair in ruthless fashion on Day 2.

    At the tea break, with Pakistan still yet to achieve a breakthrough, Akram questioned the decision of both Amir and fellow paceman Wahab Riaz to retire from Test matches just prior to the tour of Australia.

    "What really happened was two of our premium bowlers just retired from Test cricket," Akram told Fox Sports.

    "Wahab Riaz, I'm all for him, he's 35 years of age, OK he retired from Test cricket fair enough. But Mohammad Amir, the Pakistan board and the whole country invested five years in him.

    "He's 27 and he's retired from red ball cricket. If I was the Pakistan Cricket Board, I wouldn't have given him a central contract because he retired a month ago.

    "Both of them knew this tour would be difficult and white ball (cricket) is easy, they thought they'll play leagues around the world and make money.

    "I'm all for financial gain, but most of the time the country should come first.

    "Amir should have come here and played a Test series and then maybe next year retired. That's the problem Pakistan had."

    Akram's comments came after the composition of Pakistan's pace attack for the first Test raised eyebrows, namely due to the omission of Mohammad Abbas, who was prolific against Australia in the UAE last year.

    According to Akram, Abbas, who averages a stupendous 18.8 in Test cricket, would have been the perfect foil for the likes of Afridi and Naseem at the Gabba.

    "They say his pace has declined, but at least he would've given you 25 overs wicket-to-wicket," he said.

    "They picked Imran on present form, but those five wickets (against Australia A in the tour match) were in a day-night match with a pink ball."

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    Amir really let his country down tbf.

    Always chasing paper. His decision to retire was to prolong his career in chasing more paper. Major mercenary

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    That's right.

    Both Amir and Wahab need to be taught a lesson.

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    It's tricky because you have to balance guys who just don't have the heart for Test cricket anymore vs guys who are genuine white ball specialists like most countries have a few (although lines are blurring).

    It's hard to look consistent by punishing Amir for not playing Tests whilst still giving B class contracts to other short form players...

    He's completely right about picking Imran on pink ball form in a tour match vs a guy with a Test average of 18... it's mind blowing. It's better than Philander and let me tell you if you had a Philander right now you'd pick him!

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    I am not judging and I am all up for 2nd chances in life but Amir since young age when he got bit of exposure showed where is priorities are. Now with so much of leagues since his comeback, he thought about going to this route which is atleast better than the previous one he took.

    Yes I can understand his body wasnt the same after 5 years but PCB also went out of the way to have him make a comeback.

    Wasim is right PCB could have been little more disappointed in him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrongun View Post
    It's tricky because you have to balance guys who just don't have the heart for Test cricket anymore vs guys who are genuine white ball specialists like most countries have a few (although lines are blurring).

    It's hard to look consistent by punishing Amir for not playing Tests whilst still giving B class contracts to other short form players...

    He's completely right about picking Imran on pink ball form in a tour match vs a guy with a Test average of 18... it's mind blowing. It's better than Philander and let me tell you if you had a Philander right now you'd pick him!
    Retirements of Wahab, Steyn etc for leagues at 35 odd years of age makes sense.

    Other than Malinga, Amir is probably only decent test bowler who has taken retirement from test cricket so young. So its not that common.

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    Look how stupid everyone around Pakistan Cricket is. Instead of blaming the mediocre playing XI and the inept selection committee, we're now trying to pass the blame on players who aren't even playing!

    We truly have the dumbest fans and ex cricketers.

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    Amir is not that great as he is talked to be. He was ineffective in Australia in 2016-17 and was bowling at 128-132 km/hr in South Africa. He looked ineffective in the T20's as well. No guarantee he would have made a difference

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    In hindsight- easy enough for PCB to say that each format you make yourself unavailable drops your maximum/potential contract by 1 category. Could even weight Test cricket as 2 categories drop if they want to value the format & say hey, you want to chase T20 money don't expect us to fund your lifestyle...

    By tying it to unavailability rather than non-selection (like say Fakhar who might still be ODI opener) it solves the problem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucifier View Post
    Look how stupid everyone around Pakistan Cricket is. Instead of blaming the mediocre playing XI and the inept selection committee, we're now trying to pass the blame on players who aren't even playing!

    We truly have the dumbest fans and ex cricketers.
    I agree no point in blaming him now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Retirements of Wahab, Steyn etc for leagues at 35 odd years of age makes sense.

    Other than Malinga, Amir is probably only decent test bowler who has taken retirement from test cricket so young. So its not that common.

    Yes true. See my layer post too for a suggestion. The other guys I can think of who retire early from Tests were genuine medical cases like Bond, or Tait who just couldn't do the job in Tests anyway. Lee who gave a good full decade or more to Tests beforehand etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Amir is not that great as he is talked to be. He was ineffective in Australia in 2016-17 and was bowling at 128-132 km/hr in South Africa. He looked ineffective in the T20's as well. No guarantee he would have made a difference
    True his record is mediocre as well in Aus though maybe could have provided bit more cushion for the young pacers.

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    I wonder when Pakistani fans will realize that Amir, whether he may have intended it or not, huge potential talent or not, has consistently messed over* Pakistan cricket.

    * By 'messed over' I mean a lot stronger, of course

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    Ultimately every player players for money, but some prioritize it more than others. Amir is one of them.

    It is his choice and he shouldnít be criticized for it, but PCB needs to be wary of the fact that he can leave the team high and dry at any point without looking back.

    It is okay to give a central contract but it should be renewed every year with caution. I wonít be surprised if retires from international cricket at the age of 31-32 after the 2023 World Cup and takes up a County deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrongun View Post
    Yes true. See my layer post too for a suggestion. The other guys I can think of who retire early from Tests were genuine medical cases like Bond, or Tait who just couldn't do the job in Tests anyway. Lee who gave a good full decade or more to Tests beforehand etc.
    Yes. Amir in his defense says that his body is wasnt the same time which I completely understand as he wasnt bowling and the bowling muscles which arent used in other day to day activities must have depleted in those 5 years. However, if PCB treated him as a favoured child I think maybe he could have worked a bit more hard on his fitness and push himself a bit more. Though its his decision but Wasim is saying that PCB should look for their interests as well in a better way.

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    It was poor from Amir, but it wouldn't have had any impact on the outcome of this series. Pretty useless statement from Akram.

    We were and we will always remain pathetic outside Asia. Our batsmen just ain't mentally tough to compete on these tracks. That shot of Babar Azam says enough.


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    Wasim is frustrated but Amir did the right thing; if his heart is not in it then he has no place in this team.

    Even before the match started; everyone knew how it was gonna be. Amir or no Amir, Aussies are too good for our bunch of TTFs and Noobs.

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    Everybody was happy with this decision a couple of months ago .

    Now when the loss is felt everyone speaks up. All our pundits and ex cricketers are too impulsive

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    2010 was the case of making money at the expense of the nation that made him superstar. Back to money-making machine t20 at the expense of the nation [Test] after the nation dedicated him in the long and painful years.

    Mohammed Amir, Asif and Butt should have gotten permanent ban and be done with it. Waste of time and resources that piled on the nation.

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    Wasim I wouldn't talk about selling your country out for money if I were you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Yes. Amir in his defense says that his body is wasnt the same time which I completely understand as he wasnt bowling and the bowling muscles which arent used in other day to day activities must have depleted in those 5 years. However, if PCB treated him as a favoured child I think maybe he could have worked a bit more hard on his fitness and push himself a bit more. Though its his decision but Wasim is saying that PCB should look for their interests as well in a better way.
    No one stopped the wonder kid from practicing on his own. HE knew that he will get a call back after he completes his punishment for spot fixing. Problem with Aamir is his lack of motivation. 5 years seems a long time but he should have been working on his strength and conditioning and should have hired a bowling coach to develop his skills. He let the unconditional support off Pakistani fans get to his head.

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    Good thing he retired from tests. Itís not like he was gonna do much with his 130mph thunderbolts. Comfortably the most overrated player that we have produced for some time. He can retire from all formats, as far as Iím concerned.

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    Amir isn't the difference maker that people perceive him to be.

    Abbas has been the best fast bowler over the last 18 months, bigger question is why he was left out. Amir's retirement is not in Pakistan management's control, Abbas's selection is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdman View Post
    No one stopped the wonder kid from practicing on his own. HE knew that he will get a call back after he completes his punishment for spot fixing. Problem with Aamir is his lack of motivation. 5 years seems a long time but he should have been working on his strength and conditioning and should have hired a bowling coach to develop his skills. He let the unconditional support off Pakistani fans get to his head.
    He should have been working and even could have worked harder on his fitness after he came back to international cricket. There are a lot of things he should have done but he didnt unfortunately and that is the difference between becoming great or just being good.

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    These two were ordinary in 2016/17 as well.

    The problem is our lack of professional preperation. No one bothers to think about the bowling strategy. Our bowlers are effective every where else in the world but fall short in Australia and it has been that way for the last 20 years.

    Clearly something is wrong. You have to research and identify what is the difference. Look into what teams like South Africa, England, India have done to be successful in Australia. Is it a case where you have to get out of your comfort zone and adopt a horses for courses approach?

    England when they were successful in 2010-11, only played Swann as their spinner and played Tremmlet because of his height and exceptional use of the new ball and made sure they got the old ball to talk. Our bowlers just turn up in Australia and look utterly clueless on the right line, length to bowl, what field placings to employ.

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    Yes like Wahab and Amir would have made the scorecard look like 5-50. Delusional Akram as usual. Last time wahab played Warner scored a century in one session. We will keep struggling unless we change the mindset...Oh wait we already changed the mindset by bringing Misbah and Azhar as captain. For God sake We have taken 10 steps back. Azhar as usual looked clueless similar to how the management is clueless.

    gave up after 10 overs and ran out of ideas, Bowling short and feeding warner what he likes. Field placement less said about it is better.

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    Riaz is quite old now.

    Amir is an issue but then again, how do you restrict a young man from making as much money as possible. Malinga did the same, plenty of others have followed suit. Plus it's not as if he was setting the test world alight.

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    While Amir would certainly not have ripped their batting apart, him and Abbas would have been much more of a threat than the inexperience Australia is facing right now.

    No need of Wahab tbh.

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    This is some highest hypocrisy of the highest level! Wasim Akram was him self famous for ditching his national obligations to play county cricket so he could make more money.

    The fact is Naseem, Abbas and Afridi are fitter and better bowlers than Wahab and Amir for test cricket. But you dropped Abbas (God knows why) and had 0 planning done to utilize Afridi and Shaheen. Bas fast bowl Maro baita Baki Allah ke haath main Hain!

    If you still wanted experience there was Junaid, but you didn't select him!

    Instead of criticizing the real culprits his buddy Waqar for being a pathetic coach and his other body Imran Khan for appointing the idiot Wasim Khan who then went on to appoint Misbah he is simply passing on the blame to the easiest target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    These two were ordinary in 2016/17 as well.

    The problem is our lack of professional preperation. No one bothers to think about the bowling strategy. Our bowlers are effective every where else in the world but fall short in Australia and it has been that way for the last 20 years.

    Clearly something is wrong. You have to research and identify what is the difference. Look into what teams like South Africa, England, India have done to be successful in Australia. Is it a case where you have to get out of your comfort zone and adopt a horses for courses approach?

    England when they were successful in 2010-11, only played Swann as their spinner and played Tremmlet because of his height and exceptional use of the new ball and made sure they got the old ball to talk. Our bowlers just turn up in Australia and look utterly clueless on the right line, length to bowl, what field placings to employ.
    Our pacees are not bang the pitch bowlers so never get the extra kick from the pitches. Naseem was consistently 90plus in first half of the day but did the batsman ever looked rushed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GLORY OF '92 View Post
    Amir is a proven ttraitor. Enough said.
    You said you'd never say a word against him after the CT final and to be fair you haven't since. Guess now you're back at it

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    they are athletes not soldiers

    if you want them to prioritize test cricket then pay them accordingly given the demand of test cricket on a bowler

    test selection was just horrid this test, totally got it wrong. in no way shape or form did Imran merit selection over Abbas

    not that it likely would have made a difference since first innings has set the tone for the match

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    Lol!
    Like amir, wahab or abass would of made a difference?
    We would still have got battered.

    I think shaheen and naseem played well, i would have gone with a 4 man pace attack.and yasir, dropping imran and ifti and choosing two out of these three - eshan adil, haris rauf and sameen gul.

    Also haris sohail has been out of form, throughout the practice matches, imam should have played at 3 instead of him(i cant believe i just said that).
    Even with these changes, we would most likely lose, but it would have been a closer affair.

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    Amir was trash, he would've gotten replaced in a year or two anyways. He saw the writing on the wall, some posters on here still haven't.

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    Wahab got absolutely battered the last time he played in Aus. Aus made nearly 600 in one of the matches.

    Amir didn't do that well either.

    It wouldn't have made a difference if they were playing, honestly

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    It doesn't matter if Amir is in poor form, suited to LOIs etc.

    This guy was given a second chance in life and witnin a few years quits test cricket? If he had any dignity he would be playing test cricket for free and donating all his money to charity.

    Drop him from all formats immediatly.


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    Wahab, his knee issues and his present form would not have helped Pakistan.

    Amir on the other hand should feel some shame.

    You can take the "I HAVE to make money" defense if you are a T20-circuit bred star like Chris Green, Nicholas Pooran etc. They barely owe their home countries anything. But the only reason Amir is back to playing leagues again and making any serious money in cricket is because he was accepted back with open arms by the country after his ban. He was tainted and if Pakistan had not given him a second chance, no one else would have either. Had he been given the same treatment as Butt or Asif, he'd be wasting his talent and experience in FC.

    His refusal to play Tests is infuriating.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Desi View Post
    they are athletes not soldiers
    Amir fixed while playing for his country. The only reason he is able to play today and in leagues is because his countrymen loved him and were crazy about him and PCN went out of their way to save him and bring him back to cricket

    Amir should be thanking everyone and doing everything to pay back what he got. The urdu term aehshan faramosh is the perfect phrase for him


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    Wahab has a test average of 34. That's poor

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    Pretty strong criticism of the 2 lefties from Wasim. I guess some of it is warranted especially regarding Amir.

    To stop playing Test cricket at what should be your peak years is nothing short of scandalous.




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    How can you blame Wahab , guy he old and probably can't last 5 days in a game.What Amir did is truly selfish though. Specially after the whole country stood by him when he betrayed their trust .


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    Amir was not that great in tests. He is overated by some in tests. His heart was not in tests for some reason. He lacks motivation in general if nothing is on the line.

    He did great at the WC and CT final. But I don't think he has been as good as we thought he would when he came back. PCB invested a lot in him and he now chosen this path. It is his decision but it doesn't look good on him.

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    Pakistan Test legend Wasim Akram has pointed at the premature Test retirement of Mohammad Amir as one of the reasons for the dire showing in the opening Test against Australia.

    The tourists came into the series opener with an largely inexperienced bowling attack featuring two teenagers in Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah, and were picked apart by Australia's opening pair in ruthless fashion on Day 2.

    At the tea break, with Pakistan still yet to achieve a breakthrough, Akram questioned the decision of both Amir and fellow paceman Wahab Riaz to retire from Test matches just prior to the tour of Australia.

    "What really happened was two of our premium bowlers just retired from Test cricket," Akram told Fox Sports.

    Both Wahab and Amir are still available for selection in Pakistan's limited overs sides, but not for Test matches (Getty)
    "Wahab Riaz, I'm all for him, he's 35 years of age, OK he retired from Test cricket fair enough. But Mohammad Amir, the Pakistan board and the whole country invested five years in him.

    "He's 27 and he's retired from red ball cricket. If I was the Pakistan Cricket Board, I wouldn't have given him a central contract because he retired a month ago.

    "Both of them knew this tour would be difficult and white ball (cricket) is easy, they thought they'll play leagues around the world and make money.

    "I'm all for financial gain, but most of the time the country should come first.

    Akram's comments came after the composition of Pakistan's pace attack for the first Test raised eyebrows, namely due to the omission of Mohammad Abbas, who was prolific against Australia in the UAE last year.

    According to Akram, Abbas, who averages a stupendous 18.8 in Test cricket, would have been the perfect foil for the likes of Afridi and Naseem at the Gabba.

    "They say his pace has declined, but at least he would've given you 25 overs wicket-to-wicket," he said.

    "They picked Imran on present form, but those five wickets (against Australia A in the tour match) were in a day-night match with a pink ball."

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    If Amir was playing ipl he would have got a million dollar contract and he probably would have played test matches... just amazes me how smart and greedy he has become. I mean the whole country invested in him and backed him... and this is how he repays them. Shameful.

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    About time we drop Amir and Wahab from all the formats.

    Youngsters are taking inspiration from these two clowns and will look to retire from Test cricket as soon as they gain some fame.

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    Wahabs retirement from tests is understandable. And it's not like he was first choice all the time and at 34 I don't see what he can give to the Pakistan team in tests when it comes to bowling long spells at times at his age. We tend to criticise players when they around that age and not retiring so should give bit credit to Wahab. He needs to also retire ODIs as he won't be their next world cup. But is a must for the next World T20.

    Amir is a massive disappointment. At 27 he still has many years and should have been our main attack bowler overseas in red ball cricket.
    After the fixing scandal. The PCB and most Pakistan fans backed him and pushed his comeback. And in return he decides to do this which is pathetic.

    If I was PCB don't select him in Limited Overs and take away his contract.

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    Amir was mulling over test retirement since he made his comeback to the team so that was expected as many knew what he had in mind.

    His body was never ready especially for test cricket after the 5 year ban and was going to find it hard to cope for 5 days of real cricket, bowling 20-25 overs and being in the field and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j_kazmi View Post
    Everybody was happy with this decision a couple of months ago .

    Now when the loss is felt everyone speaks up. All our pundits and ex cricketers are too impulsive
    I wasn't. I thought it was disrespectful to the team, especially considering how the country stood by him after his spot fixing scandal. Would be quite happy for him to be dropped from all teams, maybe give him the odd game here or there. He's not even that fast any more.


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    So what's the problem. Gayle, Pollard, Bravo also play in almost every league for money. But still admired by everyone. Their pure entertainment value is more than all of Indian players combined. Atleast they are not fixing matches. Its their right to earn money as long as they are clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    I wasn't. I thought it was disrespectful to the team, especially considering how the country stood by him after his spot fixing scandal. Would be quite happy for him to be dropped from all teams, maybe give him the odd game here or there. He's not even that fast any more.
    I wasn’t happy either. Didn’t really care about Eagan as he’s old anyway. But Amir got a second chance, the PCB fought so hard for him and he quits 3 years in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j_kazmi View Post
    I wasn’t happy either. Didn’t really care about Eagan as he’s old anyway. But Amir got a second chance, the PCB fought so hard for him and he quits 3 years in.
    Wahab I don't mind, he has done his time for Pakistan and been a willing servant, even if not always succesful. He is old enough to retire without any hard feelings.


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    As if koi baray teer marnay the inhe.

    Both are bang mediocre in test cricket and are especially poor when wickets are flat as in this case.

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    More will follow down this road......mark my words.

    Why slog your guts in the UAE heat for 5 days when you can earn a fortune in a T20 tournament.



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    What big things did Amir do in test cricket anyway in the last few years. No wonder he retired, his market value for T20 cricket would have been way worse had he kept playing tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    More will follow down this road......mark my words.

    Why slog your guts in the UAE heat for 5 days when you can earn a fortune in a T20 tournament.
    pak should avoid U.A.E at all cost.
    misbah & U.A.E has destroyed pakistan

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    Honestly, Pakistan should just get rid of Amir for all three formats. He isn't even that effective/ good of a bowler, his pace is slow, and the only consistent and decent thing about his bowling is his good economy but he struggles to take wickets, he rarely gets a 3-fer + in any format. And he bowls and runs like an old man.

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    At least they are earning their living through honest labor Mr Wasim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    More will follow down this road......mark my words.

    Why slog your guts in the UAE heat for 5 days when you can earn a fortune in a T20 tournament.
    I don't actually have a problem with players signing up for franchises generally, their opportunities are restricted in Pakistan due to political situation. But Amir had a nerve considering how he dragged Pakistan's name through the mud to turn his back. Especially considering his form has been patchy since coming back.


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    There were calls for both to be dropped and discarded from our team, now they made it easier for the selectors theres an uproar, we can never keep our fans happy, good luck to them, i am sure there are better bowlers waiting in the wings,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    I don't actually have a problem with players signing up for franchises generally, their opportunities are restricted in Pakistan due to political situation. But Amir had a nerve considering how he dragged Pakistan's name through the mud to turn his back. Especially considering his form has been patchy since coming back.
    My concern is that more will head down the "don't want to play Test cricket route" and that is going to become a big problem.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    My concern is that more will head down the "don't want to play Test cricket route" and that is going to become a big problem.
    To be honest I doubt it. Amir and Malinga are the only main exceptions around the world I can think of who had a career in tests and opted out of test cricket not due to injuries.

    Amir was always an over smart guy(Not judging him) and that helped him more than it helped Pakistan. He always looked for shortcuts with one sole aim.

    Hassan, Shaheen, Naseem etc. I doubt anyone of them will do that unless there is some career threatening injury.

    Junaid Khan even after career threatening injury to his knees is still trying to perform in QAE trophy on dead roads and same is the case with Usman Shinwari who had multiple stress fractures at young age but still is giving his best in 4 day cricket (Yes one can argue that they might not be as in demand in T20 leagues).

    However, even Sohail Tanvir or Yasir Arafat who have played much more league cricket around the world than most pacers would never have walked out of test cricket if they had a career in the format.

    Common sense says why to work hard for 5 days but I think in Pak cricketing culture players still look at the national team place in a higher regard otherwise there would have been countless freelancers like Windies cricket who would have opted out of national contracts to play leagues around the world.
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    Hands up how many here would do what Amir did that is quit international Cricket for better money by playing in leagues around the world. We must make Pak Cricket more financially rewarding if we want to stop such things from continuing.


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    You can't blame amir for our poor show in Australia, he gave enough notice and did have test championship in mind and said he rather retire before the test championship so the management has enough time to replace him .

    It's a failure from management for not grooming anyone for this tour. What has management been doing since then and this tour other than chopping and changing everything?

    looking back at old threads most you were are happy that amir has retired from test so that new talent could get a chance. Where is that new talent???

    Same people who were saying amir Is a trundler, he isn't fit and can't bowl more than 20 overs, he's a rubbish bowler are now complaining about his retirement from test lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by emranabbas View Post
    You can't blame amir for our poor show in Australia, he gave enough notice and did have test championship in mind and said he rather retire before the test championship so the management has enough time to replace him .

    It's a failure from management for not grooming anyone for this tour. What has management been doing since then and this tour other than chopping and changing everything?

    looking back at old threads most you were are happy that amir has retired from test so that new talent could get a chance. Where is that new talent???

    Same people who were saying amir Is a trundler, he isn't fit and can't bowl more than 20 overs, he's a rubbish bowler are now complaining about his retirement from test lol
    I don't actually think Amir is that great anyway, not since his return from the ban. That is why I think it is a bit rich for him to be retiring from test cricket like he is some precious superstar that needs to be handled with extreme care. He could retire from all forms of international cricket for all I care. We managed when he was banned, we can certainly manage now.


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    Ami played fair.

    PCB / Misbah etc. failed. And I do realize we lack quality but still their monumental failure is obvious.

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    Amir should be forced to be available for the Test squad. Either that or no central contract.
    It is upto the selectors to choose him to be part of the team.

    I believe he would be a great asset to limit scoring at the beggining of any innings. Also paired with a strike bowler, his own strike rate will likely improve.

    He has caused great pain to Pakistan cricket, I do not think he should have the right to demand to choose what he wants to play or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Hands up how many here would do what Amir did that is quit international Cricket for better money by playing in leagues around the world. We must make Pak Cricket more financially rewarding if we want to stop such things from continuing.
    Well at least Misbah-ul-Haq is cleaning up since he's bagged himself multiple roles.

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    Amir Amir Amir lol. These ex players are clueless, he was wicket less in the two test matches out of three in Australia in 2016-17 and was wicket less in the one test match in 2009-10. I have never seen a more over rated bowler in my life

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    Well at least Misbah-ul-Haq is cleaning up since he's bagged himself multiple roles.
    He is cleaning up what exactly? I am sure the Aussies would disagree


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    "I love playing franchise cricket but let me assure you that even if I could play hundreds of such games, it would never give me the personal satisfaction I would get from playing even one Test match for Nepal" : Sandeep Lamichhane in remarks to PakPassion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    "I love playing franchise cricket but let me assure you that even if I could play hundreds of such games, it would never give me the personal satisfaction I would get from playing even one Test match for Nepal" : Sandeep Lamichhane in remarks to PakPassion.
    Nepal's spin sensation Sandeep Lamichhane is slowly becoming a global star in the T20 franchise circuit. Lamichhane first made an impression in the 2018 edition of the Indian Premier League (IPL) for the Delhi franchise. He has since gone on to play in Australia's Big Bash League, the Caribbean Premier League, the Bangladesh Premier League and the Pakistan Super League. However, he said that while he enjoys playing in T20 leagues, playing Test cricket for Nepal would be more satisfying for him.

    "I love playing franchise cricket but let me assure you that even if I could play hundreds of such games, it would never give me the personal satisfaction I would get from playing even one Test match for Nepal," Pakistani journalist Saj Sadiq quoted him as saying in a tweet that the spinner retweeted.

    Pakistani fans used the quotes as an opportunity to slam fast bowlers Mohammad Amir and Wahab Riaz. Amir announced retirement from Tests earlier this year, while Wahab Riaz has taken an indefinite break from the longest format.

    "Mohammed Amir take note," one fan tweeted.

    "Is He Saying This Keeping In Mind Mohammed Amir?" another asked.

    "Someone really needs to see it. Sandeep wants to play a test match for his country and our national hero Amir and Wahab they want to play franchise cricket," wrote another.

    "Our so called super stars must learn this from this young boy," a user tweeted.

    Lamichhane has appeared in one first-class match, when Nepal took on Marylebone Cricket Club in November this year. Lamichhane picked up three wickets in the first innings even as his team lost the match.

    Lamichhane will turn out for Delhi Capitals in the upcoming season of the IPL, having been retained by the franchise.

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    Says Wasim Akram.

    This guy is the rudest person I've seen. I've seen him around 8-10 times. Each times, he has ignored fans. Never seen him take a photo with them. Always brushes them off and is rude to them.

    Secondly, is all about the money. One young reporter asked him for a minute to do an interview, Wasim gave his managers number and said to him to send money over before he does the interview.

    Lots of other things too.

    He is the one who selected Misbah to have all these roles.

    First game in Australia he said 'its a good choice to have Misbah, gives one man accountability' then at the last game where he realised its a terrible choice, he jokingly makes fun of the decision and hides away from it.


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