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    The biggest loser of them all is Saliba.

    He is 19 years old and has not even played 50 professional matches and he is moaning because he hasnít become a starter in his first season in the Premier League, that too at Arsenal.

    To make it big, you have to grind and work hard. How about impressing Arteta in training instead of mocking him on Twitter?

    With this pathetic mentality, it is obvious that he will never make it at a big club. I hope Arteta boots him out for good and he continues to rot in bottom half French clubs for the rest of his career.

    Next Varane my ***.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    All losers are joining hands to force Arteta out of the club. The irony is that these losers (except Saliba) are responsible for this situation.

    Ozil - a coward who was finished 5 years ago. The guys gets bullied on the pitch by players earning a fraction of what he does, he got a verbal thrashing by the CEO of the biggest club of his country (Bayern) and now is trying hard to revive his Turkish roots after rejecting their national team in the first place.

    After failing to get a big move because no big club was willing to sign him, he has started to feign loyalty to Arsenal and is trying to become a PR angel.

    Torreira - a useless midget who made no effort to acclimatize to English football and learn a word of English. He started crying after a few months and has wanted out for a year now.

    Guendouzi - a headless chicken with no discipline on and off the pitch. All he does is run around and get into fights. An average play who thinks he is the next Pogba. Another player who will never make it at a big club. He is currently playing at his level.
    Both Torreira and Guendouzi need to be permanently sold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetroDollars View Post
    mainly because many of europes top sides are struggling and have managerial positions which will be vacant soon, and the better available managers will wait for the right job.

    Arsenal are better abandoning this failed project with arteta, and getting a decent mid-level manager to steer the club out of this mess arteta has created and then maybe try and get a top manager after.

    Not only is arteta rubbish at managment but hes trashing the club and making a toxic enviroment, which will be a terribly place to be for the next manager, this is worse than what a fed up mourinho does.
    At the moment I would just sack Arteta and make Ozil interim manager until the end of his contract if needed, and work on Allegeri as the 2021 and beyond manager. Iím sure Ozil knows football better than this Spanish pretender!

    Bang average footballer, always second to Fabregas/Xavi during his playing career and now proving to not even be the 2nd to Pep Guardiola.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The biggest loser of them all is Saliba.

    He is 19 years old and has not even played 50 professional matches and he is moaning because he hasn’t become a starter in his first season in the Premier League, that too at Arsenal.

    To make it big, you have to grind and work hard. How about impressing Arteta in training instead of mocking him on Twitter?

    With this pathetic mentality, it is obvious that he will never make it at a big club. I hope Arteta boots him out for good and he continues to rot in bottom half French clubs for the rest of his career.

    Next Varane my ***.
    In what way does Arteta reward good form...what kind of meritocracy is there at the club?...

    How do you know Saliba isn’t training well?...

    Are you honestly going to tell me that a player who outperformed Fofana last season doesn’t at least deserve an opportunity ahead of Luiz, Mustafi, Holding...it’s an absolute shambles...

    No wonder he is disillusioned ...

    Imagine being one of the guys who performs in the Europa games...and then being rewarded with nothing ...it’s understandable not breaking into a side that are in form but imagine how it must feel to not be able to dislodge Bellerin lol ...

    Mate face it ...you have fallen for this ...Arteta looks tactically inept and poor as a manager...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    In what way does Arteta reward good form...what kind of meritocracy is there at the club?...

    How do you know Saliba isnít training well?...

    Are you honestly going to tell me that a player who outperformed Fofana last season doesnít at least deserve an opportunity ahead of Luiz, Mustafi, Holding...itís an absolute shambles...

    No wonder he is disillusioned ...

    Imagine being one of the guys who performs in the Europa games...and then being rewarded with nothing ...itís understandable not breaking into a side that are in form but imagine how it must feel to not be able to dislodge Bellerin lol ...

    Mate face it ...you have fallen for this ...Arteta looks tactically inept and poor as a manager...
    At this point, Saliba is a nobody. Instead of mocking his manager on social media, he needs to try and win his trust.

    His entitled attitude is disgraceful to say the least. You can bash Arteta as much as you want, but Salibaís attitude will not fly at any club.

    If he is disillusioned after a 3-4 months of his career at Arsenal when heís only 19 and doesnít even have 50 professional games under his belt, he clearly doesnít have the patience and the heart to become a top player.

    On the other hand, take a look at E. Martinez. This guy waited 8 years for his chance, went through 6 loans and finally got his opportunity last season and grabbed it with both hands.

    When Arteta told him Leno will be first-choice, he didnít mock him on Twitter and moved to Villa where he has been excellent so far. If he keeps this up, he can become Argentina number 1 at the World Cup in Qatar and also earn a move at a decent European club.

    This is how you built a successful career. This is the character that you need, not the entitled nonsense like Saliba where he is happy to mock his manager on social media because he didnít get a chance in his 3-4 months.

    You clearly donít rate Arteta and you will side with any player who goes against him, but if anyone defends Saliba he is clearly being disingenuous.
    Last edited by Mamoon; 14th December 2020 at 21:49.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    At this point, Saliba is a nobody. Instead of mocking his manager on social media, he needs to try and win his trust.

    His entitled attitude is disgraceful to say the least. You can bash Arteta as much as you want, but Saliba’s attitude will not fly at any club.

    If he is disillusioned after a 3-4 months of his career at Arsenal when he’s only 19 and doesn’t even have 50 professional games under his belt, he clearly doesn’t have the patience and the heart to become a top player.

    On the other hand, take a look at E. Martinez. This guy waited 8 years for his chance, went through 6 loans and finally got his opportunity last season and grabbed it with both hands.

    When Arteta told him Leno will be first-choice, he didn’t mock him on Twitter and moved to Villa where he has been excellent so far. If he keeps this up, he can become Argentina number 1 at the World Cup in Qatar and also earn a move at a decent European club.

    This is how you built a successful career. This is the character that you need, not the entitled nonsense like Saliba where he is happy to mock his manager on social media because he didn’t get a chance in his 3-4 months.

    You clearly don’t rate Arteta and you will side with any player who goes against him, but if anyone defends Saliba he is clearly being disingenuous.
    He was one of the leading players in Ligue 1 last season...he is not a nobody...he has been compared to Varane for a reason ...

    He’s returned to Arsenal and it’s understandable to wait for your opportunity when you’re in a quality team ...but he must be disillusioned when he can’t get in ahead of these fools...

    Funny thing is if you loan him out ...There will be clubs better than you vying for his signature...

    The Emi example is silly...Emi wasn’t quality when he started at Arsenal...and the keepers ahead of him were better ...

    Saliba IS better than the players Arteta currently picks...his disillusionment is understandable ...mate Mustafi is ahead of him in Arteta’s eyes...

    Fofana is 19 and killing it for Leicester who are challenging for CL ...while a player who outperformed him last season hasn’t been given a single opportunity ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    He was one of the leading players in Ligue 1 last season...he is not a nobody...he has been compared to Varane for a reason ...

    He’s returned to Arsenal and it’s understandable to wait for your opportunity when you’re in a quality team ...but he must be disillusioned when he can’t get in ahead of these fools...

    Funny thing is if you loan him out ...There will be clubs better than you vying for his signature...

    The Emi example is silly...Emi wasn’t quality when he started at Arsenal...and the keepers ahead of him were better ...

    Saliba IS better than the players Arteta currently picks...his disillusionment is understandable ...mate Mustafi is ahead of him in Arteta’s eyes...

    Fofana is 19 and killing it for Leicester who are challenging for CL ...while a player who outperformed him last season hasn’t been given a single opportunity ...
    You are mistaken if you think the top clubs will make a beeline for him after how he is mocking his manager on social media.

    He has achieved nothing in football but he has the attitude of a Ballon díOr winner. He is not only sabotaging his Arsenal career but his career in general.

    The big clubs will not tolerate such crass behavior because a loser like him will start crying on social media whenever the going get tough and things do not go his way.

    If Varane had his attitude he would not be a Madrid and French legend today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    You are mistaken if you think the top clubs will make a beeline for him after how he is mocking his manager on social media.

    He has achieved nothing in football but he has the attitude of a Ballon d’Or winner. He is not only sabotaging his Arsenal career but his career in general.

    The big clubs will not tolerate such crass behavior because a loser like him will start crying on social media whenever the going get tough and things do not go his way.

    If Varane had his attitude he would not be a Madrid and French legend today.
    The only loser from all this is going to be Arteta...Saliba, Guendouzi will do just fine ...

    Clubs will be as confused as fans are as to how Saliba can’t start for this banter team ...

    He is most certainly not a nobody...he was among the best centre backs in Ligue 1 ...not some prospect for the u23s...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    The only loser from all this is going to be Arteta...Saliba, Guendouzi will do just fine ...

    Clubs will be as confused as fans are as to how Saliba can’t start for this banter team ...

    He is most certainly not a nobody...he was among the best centre backs in Ligue 1 ...not some prospect for the u23s...
    Saliba will have to change his attitude if he wants to succeed at the top level. This nonsense will not fly at any club.

    You cannot mock your manager on social media no matter what. Period.

    He is just a deluded kid who has been handed a reality check for the first time in his professional life. He doesnít know anything about respect and looks like he will learn the hard way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Saliba will have to change his attitude if he wants to succeed at the top level. This nonsense will not fly at any club.

    You cannot mock your manager on social media no matter what. Period.

    He is just a deluded kid who has been handed a reality check for the first time in his professional life. He doesn’t know anything about respect and looks like he will learn the hard way.
    I’ll happily say now that he will move on and there will be plenty of demand for him ...

    Most see that Arteta is at fault here not the player ...Arteta is getting mocked and with good reason...

    The manager has given no reason to be respected when he plays Mustafi and Holding ahead of Saliba ...

    Arsenal’s side are a shambles and Arteta rewards mediocrity ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    I’ll happily say now that he will move on and there will be plenty of demand for him ...

    Most see that Arteta is at fault here not the player ...Arteta is getting mocked and with good reason...

    The manager has given no reason to be respected when he plays Mustafi and Holding ahead of Saliba ...

    Arsenal’s side are a shambles and Arteta rewards mediocrity ...
    You cannot mock the manager on social media even if he is at fault. It is easy to be respectful when things are going your way.

    Saliba would be waxing lyrical today if Arteta would be starting him all the time, but his shallow character has shown through not that things havenít panned out as expected.

    I am happy to see him out of the door, and I hope he does well elsewhere, but he will need to show respect to reach the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    At the moment I would just sack Arteta and make Ozil interim manager until the end of his contract if needed, and work on Allegeri as the 2021 and beyond manager. I’m sure Ozil knows football better than this Spanish pretender!

    Bang average footballer, always second to Fabregas/Xavi during his playing career and now proving to not even be the 2nd to Pep Guardiola.
    Anyone will be better then Arteta, there has never been such a clueless manager in EPL history but im not sure about Ozil, arteta has made the environment so toxic, im not sure ozil can fix that for a new manager.

    Like i said before Arsenal should just bring wenger back rather then playing around with new experiments, sure even viera or t.adams would do a better job then this Spanish fraud but for me i think wneger is the best way forward for arsenal now.

    They actually have a good team, with a MF base of Guendouzi and Torreira, brining ozil back and getting Auba back to his best shouldnt be a difficult task for the new manager, if arsenal had ole they would most defiantly be in top 4 right now and probably be competing for top spot, even mourinho is with spurs who had a worser squad when he took over.


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    It is funny how the narrative has changed and Arsenal has suddenly become a world beating side that is being held back by Arteta.

    The agenda against Arteta is obvious. People will do anything to blame him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetroDollars View Post
    Anyone will be better then Arteta, there has never been such a clueless manager in EPL history but im not sure about Ozil, arteta has made the environment so toxic, im not sure ozil can fix that for a new manager.

    Like i said before Arsenal should just bring wenger back rather then playing around with new experiments, sure even viera or t.adams would do a better job then this Spanish fraud but for me i think wneger is the best way forward for arsenal now.

    They actually have a good team, with a MF base of Guendouzi and Torreira, brining ozil back and getting Auba back to his best shouldnt be a difficult task for the new manager, if arsenal had ole they would most defiantly be in top 4 right now and probably be competing for top spot, even mourinho is with spurs who had a worser squad when he took over.
    Ole should first find a way to beat Artetaís Arsenal before dreaming of taking these players to the top 4.

    Last time he came to the Emirates he was so intimidated by Arteta he was imitating his mannerism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Has he managed any matches for City or has always been the number 2? What are Arsenal doing!
    This was the first response in this thread,

    Turns out my gut instinct was correct. And my gut instinct tells me/Arsenal fans again that we need Allegeri at all costs if we want any chance to build that champions league philosophy again.

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    Arteta knew what he was signing up for when he was visited by the Indian man and Edu at his home in Manchester. There was no blank chequebook like Man City, he signed up to work with a restrained budget and the challenge of attracting world class players at a Europa league club.

    There are no excuses for him now, and especially not after losing 4 home games in a row. Even lower tier clubs in the premier league will hold out for a Draw at home against the likes of Barcelona and Madrid, simply because they will play with passion for the badge on their chest. I’m sorry but this is inexcusable, Arsenal are breaking all the records (negative) under Arteta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Ole should first find a way to beat Arteta’s Arsenal before dreaming of taking these players to the top 4.

    Last time he came to the Emirates he was so intimidated by Arteta he was imitating his mannerism.
    Ole should be 2 points away from top spot with his game in hand at sheffield, while Arteta is battling relegation but your concern is what happened in one game in a period where MU were having a bad patch. really sums you up, stick to supporting modi in political threads.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    This was the first response in this thread,

    Turns out my gut instinct was correct. And my gut instinct tells me/Arsenal fans again that we need Allegeri at all costs if we want any chance to build that champions league philosophy again.
    The number 2 argument is rubbish...

    How many of Fergie’s no2’s were successful ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetroDollars View Post
    Ole should be 2 points away from top spot with his game in hand at sheffield, while Arteta is battling relegation but your concern is what happened in one game in a period where MU were having a bad patch. really sums you up, stick to supporting modi in political threads.
    It’s kind of amusing now what situation the Arsenal fans find themselves in ...when Man U play Fulham now they’ll be hoping Man U win lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Arteta knew what he was signing up for when he was visited by the Indian man and Edu at his home in Manchester. There was no blank chequebook like Man City, he signed up to work with a restrained budget and the challenge of attracting world class players at a Europa league club.

    There are no excuses for him now, and especially not after losing 4 home games in a row. Even lower tier clubs in the premier league will hold out for a Draw at home against the likes of Barcelona and Madrid, simply because they will play with passion for the badge on their chest. I’m sorry but this is inexcusable, Arsenal are breaking all the records (negative) under Arteta.
    Emi has more clean sheets at the Emirates than Leno ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    The number 2 argument is rubbish...

    How many of Fergie’s no2’s were successful ?
    Disappointing man. This is what happens when you spend £5m a year on a manager whereas you have a free loader in the reserves earning £17M a year.

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    Sack Ozil and Arteta, add Xhaka and Bellerin’s wages to sign Allegeri on a 5 year contract. Enough of the nonsense. Add Edu’s wages into that as well!

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    Why isn't he getting the best out of the big name players?

    Ozil no sign of him.

    Aubameyang doesn't seem to know whether he's being asked to play as a winger or a striker.

    Lacazette looks laboured and a yard off the pace.

    Partey who was the big signing has been outclassed in most of the matches he has played.



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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    The number 2 argument is rubbish...

    How many of Fergie’s no2’s were successful ?
    They though he was learning from pep, but in the end he was just washing his laundry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Why isn't he getting the best out of the big name players?

    Ozil no sign of him.

    Aubameyang doesn't seem to know whether he's being asked to play as a winger or a striker.

    Lacazette looks laboured and a yard off the pace.

    Partey who was the big signing has been outclassed in most of the matches he has played.
    Because he lacks experience and I can only assume that his tough training will be irking the seniors...

    He only has a very small window of opportunity and the only way he can take it is by picking the right team which means no more Edu's friend (Willian)... he simply has to go with the youngsters. it will be the youngsters that fully buy into his methods
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    Edu: "Arteta is doing a great job. We are in the process to have a beautiful future with Mikel. If you can sign 20 players, which we’re not going to do, that’s not going to work anyway. Why people expect a magician to go ‘Boom! Come here, Messi’? That’s not going to happen"

    Hahaha truly a banter club ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Edu: "Arteta is doing a great job. We are in the process to have a beautiful future with Mikel. If you can sign 20 players, which we’re not going to do, that’s not going to work anyway. Why people expect a magician to go ‘Boom! Come here, Messi’? That’s not going to happen"

    Hahaha truly a banter club ...
    One fraud defending another.

    They are all as Clueless as each other

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    Guendouzi and Saliba mocking Arteta on Instagram and now Ozil on Twitter. Also Lucas Torreira Ďlikedí that Ozil tweet before Ozil deleted it.

    Embarrassing for the club.
    Turns out the Ozil tweet was from a fake account and Torreira fell for it.

    According to reports, Atletico is canceling his loan and sending him back to Arsenal because Simeone is not impressed with him.

    Imagine his walk of shame back to Arsenal. Not only is he not good enough, he is also a third grade loser who couldnít cut it at Arsenal and Atletico.

    This crying midget belongs to a bottom-half Italian team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Edu: "Arteta is doing a great job. We are in the process to have a beautiful future with Mikel. If you can sign 20 players, which we’re not going to do, that’s not going to work anyway. Why people expect a magician to go ‘Boom! Come here, Messi’? That’s not going to happen"

    Hahaha truly a banter club ...
    Well said. As expected, the club is fully behind Arteta because they can see his incredible qualities as a manager and they can also see that the problem is with the players.

    Arteta will be given the opportunity over the next 3-4 windows to build his own team and create an identity.

    Now it is down to the owners and how much money they are willing to invest, because Arteta can take Arsenal to the top in 4-5 years. He has all the qualities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Arteta knew what he was signing up for when he was visited by the Indian man and Edu at his home in Manchester. There was no blank chequebook like Man City, he signed up to work with a restrained budget and the challenge of attracting world class players at a Europa league club.

    There are no excuses for him now, and especially not after losing 4 home games in a row. Even lower tier clubs in the premier league will hold out for a Draw at home against the likes of Barcelona and Madrid, simply because they will play with passion for the badge on their chest. Iím sorry but this is inexcusable, Arsenal are breaking all the records (negative) under Arteta.
    Arteta also knew he will not be judged after a year and without even a full season when football is hampered by COVID.

    This is a long-term project and both Arteta and the club are clear on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Well said. As expected, the club is fully behind Arteta because they can see his incredible qualities as a manager and they can also see that the problem is with the players.

    Arteta will be given the opportunity over the next 3-4 windows to build his own team and create an identity.

    Now it is down to the owners and how much money they are willing to invest, because Arteta can take Arsenal to the top in 4-5 years. He has all the qualities.
    You are delusional ...

    What basis do you have for your claims that he is a good manager?...you mentioned some stuff about him learning from Pep...being a no2 is no indicator of how you will be as a no1...you actually have no basis whatsoever cos he actually has no CV prior to Arsenal ...

    Did you use the players argument when Emery was around?...this is what I find funny about Arsenal fans...when a weaker team than this got 5th and a final under Emery then he was a terrible coach ...it wasn’t the players then ...but when it’s Arteta then nothing is his fault but it’s all the players...

    Arsenal are not a top 4 team player wise but are you honestly saying this is a 15th team?...

    Anyhow let’s here your reasoning for what makes Arteta a good coach...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    You are delusional ...

    What basis do you have for your claims that he is a good manager?...you mentioned some stuff about him learning from Pep...being a no2 is no indicator of how you will be as a no1...you actually have no basis whatsoever cos he actually has no CV prior to Arsenal ...

    Did you use the players argument when Emery was around?...this is what I find funny about Arsenal fans...when a weaker team than this got 5th and a final under Emery then he was a terrible coach ...it wasn’t the players then ...but when it’s Arteta then nothing is his fault but it’s all the players...

    Arsenal are not a top 4 team player wise but are you honestly saying this is a 15th team?...

    Anyhow let’s here your reasoning for what makes Arteta a good coach...
    You are asking the same questions in two threads, but here is my answer. You can call me delusional if you want, that is your choice. However, I guarantee you that if Arsenal back Arteta, he will bring glory back to the club.

    By backing I donít just mean not sacking him, but actually supporting him in the transfer market.

    Emeryís situation was different. He is a good manager but his problem at Arsenal was the communication barrier. If he improves his English he can return to English football in the future and do a better job this time around.

    Arteta has been in English football for 15 years now. As soon as he arrived in Everton, he became a leader in the dressing room and regularly deputized for P. Neville. He also ended up captaining Arsenal.

    He was always a leader with a great understanding of football and his mentality has been praised by pretty much everyone who worked with him. He was touted as a future manager by his managers long before he retired.

    But after a few bad months, armchair critics who cannot manage a team on a football game have come to the conclusion that he cannot cut it.

    This is part and parcel of football. Yes the Arsenal team is not bad enough to be 15th, but neither was the Chelsea side that the experienced and proven winner Mourinho took to 10th place in 2015-16.

    But you are having a laugh if you think Arsenal will be relegated. They will still finish in top 10 even if there is no transfer activity in January.

    At one point, every manager is inexperienced. Pep was also inexperienced when he took over at Barcelona in 2008. They had finished 19 points behind Madrid in 07-08,

    they had an aging squad, and people were skeptical because Pep had no top flight coaching experience. Zidane was also inexperienced when he became Madrid manager.

    Not everyone number 2 becomes his own man, but several do. I have no doubt in my mind that Arteta will be a top class manager, but I hope the club is patient enough to see that happen at Arsenal.

    The toxicity of Arsenal fans and AFTV should be best ignored for now. Few wins and they will start singing songs again.

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    Lampard was also criticized, inexperienced, clueless etc., but look at what heís doing this season after getting backing in the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Lampard was also criticized, inexperienced, clueless etc., but look at what he’s doing this season after getting backing in the market.
    Lampard nearly brought Derby promotion...he also made no signings in his first season at Chelsea...he took them to the Champions League...your comparison isn’t remotely apt ...Arteta got 8th...and was backed this summer and is currently in 15th...Lampard has proved his doubters wrong...Arteta has been a flop...

    You’re purporting another myth ...the one of Arteta not being backed...you honestly going to claim he’s been backed less than Emery?...

    The club have supported him...they have got rid of Guendouzi, Torreira and let him move Martinez on...

    He has bought Partey and Gabriel in...also Soares for some reason...Willian...an extension of Luiz’s contract ...Convinced Xhaka to stay...stopped the sale of AMN and not played him...

    Emery had none of this wiggle room...Arteta has been properly backed this summer...and these are the results ...

    Your stuff about Everton is completely irrelevant ...

    You haven’t actually provided a single valid reason for how Arteta is good ...don’t talk about Pep...it’s irrelavant to this discussion...what in the 12 months of Arteta’s reign suggests he’s upto the job?...

    This btw is from today...so he’s publicly backed Xhaka a few days after absolutely lambasting Pepe...

    Arteta: "I am here as well to protect the players when I see that they deserve that and for sure, Granit is one of them for the way he approaches every training session and the way he wants to do things in the right way all the time and the professional that he is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Lampard nearly brought Derby promotion...he also made no signings in his first season at Chelsea...he took them to the Champions League...your comparison isnít remotely apt ...Arteta got 8th...and was backed this summer and is currently in 15th...Lampard has proved his doubters wrong...Arteta has been a flop...

    Youíre purporting another myth ...the one of Arteta not being backed...you honestly going to claim heís been backed less than Emery?...

    The club have supported him...they have got rid of Guendouzi, Torreira and let him move Martinez on...

    He has bought Partey and Gabriel in...also Soares for some reason...Willian...an extension of Luizís contract ...Convinced Xhaka to stay...stopped the sale of AMN and not played him...

    Emery had none of this wiggle room...Arteta has been properly backed this summer...and these are the results ...

    Your stuff about Everton is completely irrelevant ...

    You havenít actually provided a single valid reason for how Arteta is good ...donít talk about Pep...itís irrelavant to this discussion...what in the 12 months of Artetaís reign suggests heís upto the job?...

    This btw is from today...so heís publicly backed Xhaka a few days after absolutely lambasting Pepe...

    Arteta: "I am here as well to protect the players when I see that they deserve that and for sure, Granit is one of them for the way he approaches every training session and the way he wants to do things in the right way all the time and the professional that he is."
    Arteta was not backed in the market. Throughout the window, he implored for a creative midfielder because he knows this Arsenal team has no creativity.


    He wanted Coutinho or Aouar, and the club failed to sign either of the two. Instead, they brought back Ceballos and a washed up Willian. Partey is an excellent DM, but the lack of creativity is a much bigger problem.

    Which top 6 PL club loans a player for two years in a row with no buy clause? Ceballos is not even an Arsenal player and never will be. He is not even good, and Arteta never wanted him back.

    The club brought him back after they failed to sign a creative player, and he was the easiest option because Madrid had failed to offload him in the summer and he wanted to come back to the club.

    Now, Arteta wants Isco/Sabitzer in January, letís see if the club can deliver.

    You cannot judge Arteta unless you give him the players he needs.

    Emery was not backed either. He wanted Zaha but they got Pepe. He even wanted Maguire before United swooped for him. He also wanted Kondogbia over the crying midget Torreira.

    However, getting his own players wouldnít have solved the communication problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Arteta was not backed in the market. Throughout the window, he implored for a creative midfielder because he knows this Arsenal team has no creativity.


    He wanted Coutinho or Aouar, and the club failed to sign either of the two. Instead, they brought back Ceballos and a washed up Willian. Partey is an excellent DM, but the lack of creativity is a much bigger problem.

    Which top 6 PL club loans a player for two years in a row with no buy clause? Ceballos is not even an Arsenal player and never will be. He is not even good, and Arteta never wanted him back.

    The club brought him back after they failed to sign a creative player, and he was the easiest option because Madrid had failed to offload him in the summer and he wanted to come back to the club.

    Now, Arteta wants Isco/Sabitzer in January, let’s see if the club can deliver.

    You cannot judge Arteta unless you give him the players he needs.

    Emery was not backed either. He wanted Zaha but they got Pepe. He even wanted Maguire before United swooped for him. He also wanted Kondogbia over the crying midget Torreira.

    However, getting his own players wouldn’t have solved the communication problem.

    You haven’t answered the question ...I didn’t ask ‘did Arteta get everyone he wanted?’
    I asked whether he’s been backed more than Emery...
    Our manager at Villa has been backed but we didn’t land one of our main targets ...

    I suppose we shouldn’t judge Lampard yet because he didn’t land Rice...

    Arteta has been backed more than Wenger ...honestly can’t believe ‘he’s not been backed’ is your argument...it’s just so obviously untrue ...

    And you prove my point with your penultimate paragraph ...Emery wasn’t backed ...

    Again you haven’t provided an actual reason why Arteta is a good managed ...’if’ is not how to construct an argument ...

    Btw you make the point about Emery not being able to communicate ...seems Arteta seems to be alienating half the squad at present ...so what are his assets...his man management?...if so give me examples ...

    Is it his playing style?...if so actually tell me what his philosophy is ...

    You have made plenty of posts defending Arteta but aren’t actually giving any reasons...

    He hasn’t signed everyone he wants is not a reason...otherwise no managed can be judged...

    Did you blame the players or Emery when he got sacked?...

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    Again let this act as a reminder...

    Arsenal were in 8th when Emery was sacked ...1 point behind Wolves in 5th...

    He finished in 5th...and missed out on the CL by 1 point ...and got to a European final ...

    Arteta started in 8th and finished in 8th...and is now in 15th after a summer where he was backed in the transfer market...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Arteta was not backed in the market. Throughout the window, he implored for a creative midfielder because he knows this Arsenal team has no creativity.


    He wanted Coutinho or Aouar, and the club failed to sign either of the two. Instead, they brought back Ceballos and a washed up Willian. Partey is an excellent DM, but the lack of creativity is a much bigger problem.

    Which top 6 PL club loans a player for two years in a row with no buy clause? Ceballos is not even an Arsenal player and never will be. He is not even good, and Arteta never wanted him back.

    The club brought him back after they failed to sign a creative player, and he was the easiest option because Madrid had failed to offload him in the summer and he wanted to come back to the club.

    Now, Arteta wants Isco/Sabitzer in January, let’s see if the club can deliver.

    You cannot judge Arteta unless you give him the players he needs.

    Emery was not backed either. He wanted Zaha but they got Pepe. He even wanted Maguire before United swooped for him. He also wanted Kondogbia over the crying midget Torreira.

    However, getting his own players wouldn’t have solved the communication problem.
    It's not Sabitzer we want. It is Szoboszlai but he wants to join Leipzig anyway. And I don't want Isco. Real Madrid are desperate to get rid of him for a reason.

    I would love to see us go for James Maddison. I think he has the qualities we are missing, he is young enough to improve further, and he knows the Premier League.

    I think we need to try and sign some proven Premier League players. The target should be to get into the champions league through the league. Signing PL players will help in this aspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    It's not Sabitzer we want. It is Szoboszlai but he wants to join Leipzig anyway. And I don't want Isco. Real Madrid are desperate to get rid of him for a reason.

    I would love to see us go for James Maddison. I think he has the qualities we are missing, he is young enough to improve further, and he knows the Premier League.

    I think we need to try and sign some proven Premier League players. The target should be to get into the champions league through the league. Signing PL players will help in this aspect.
    The issue you have is why would Maddison join you ?...he’s at a side challenging for the top 4...

    Also proven premiership quality is significantly more expensive than going abroad ...

    Szob to Leipzig has been confirmed by Fab...that’s an extra realisation that Arsenal has little pull at present ...winning the league 16 years ago isn’t a sell...neither is being 15th with a rookie manager and all kinds of internal problems and player issues ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Arteta was not backed in the market. Throughout the window, he implored for a creative midfielder because he knows this Arsenal team has no creativity.


    He wanted Coutinho or Aouar, and the club failed to sign either of the two. Instead, they brought back Ceballos and a washed up Willian. Partey is an excellent DM, but the lack of creativity is a much bigger problem.

    Which top 6 PL club loans a player for two years in a row with no buy clause? Ceballos is not even an Arsenal player and never will be. He is not even good, and Arteta never wanted him back.

    The club brought him back after they failed to sign a creative player, and he was the easiest option because Madrid had failed to offload him in the summer and he wanted to come back to the club.

    Now, Arteta wants Isco/Sabitzer in January, let’s see if the club can deliver.

    You cannot judge Arteta unless you give him the players he needs.

    Emery was not backed either. He wanted Zaha but they got Pepe. He even wanted Maguire before United swooped for him. He also wanted Kondogbia over the crying midget Torreira.

    However, getting his own players wouldn’t have solved the communication problem.
    Oh yeah the club lacks creativity but let’s phase out our only creative midfielder into the reserves until his contract runs out even though we have failed to replace him.

    This is the cockiness of this guy and look at how it has come back to bite him! He would have been sacked by now had he been the manager at Chelsea.

    Arsenal football club as your first assignment as a head coach. My God what a disaster! Why are the board intent on taking its loyal fans for granted!?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Oh yeah the club lacks creativity but let’s phase out our only creative midfielder into the reserves until his contract runs out even though we have failed to replace him.

    This is the cockiness of this guy and look at how it has come back to bite him! He would have been sacked by now had he been the manager at Chelsea.

    Arsenal football club as your first assignment as a head coach. My God what a disaster! Why are the board intent on taking its loyal fans for granted!?!?
    Tbf that’s also a cop out ...your fans are obsessed with 10s and a lot of sides are successful without one...what creative players do Liverpool have?...Chelsea don’t play with a 10 even though they have signed one ...cos you had Ozil and cos Utd have Fernandes you feel you need a 10 to score goals ...you don’t ...it’s your style of play which prevents you from scoring goals...not your lack of a creative player ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    You haven’t answered the question ...I didn’t ask ‘did Arteta get everyone he wanted?’
    I asked whether he’s been backed more than Emery...
    Our manager at Villa has been backed but we didn’t land one of our main targets ...

    I suppose we shouldn’t judge Lampard yet because he didn’t land Rice...

    Arteta has been backed more than Wenger ...honestly can’t believe ‘he’s not been backed’ is your argument...it’s just so obviously untrue ...

    And you prove my point with your penultimate paragraph ...Emery wasn’t backed ...

    Again you haven’t provided an actual reason why Arteta is a good managed ...’if’ is not how to construct an argument ...

    Btw you make the point about Emery not being able to communicate ...seems Arteta seems to be alienating half the squad at present ...so what are his assets...his man management?...if so give me examples ...

    Is it his playing style?...if so actually tell me what his philosophy is ...

    You have made plenty of posts defending Arteta but aren’t actually giving any reasons...

    He hasn’t signed everyone he wants is not a reason...otherwise no managed can be judged...

    Did you blame the players or Emery when he got sacked?...
    Lampard didnít get Rice but he got Werner, Ziyech, Havertz and Thiago Silva. Four players that he wanted and werenít forced on him by the board. He got what he wanted and he has started to show results.

    If he wasnít backed in the market, he would be struggling today and people like you would be calling him a bad manager, because you donít have the vision to look beyond shot-term results.

    I have already given you the reasons why I think Arteta has all the qualities to be a top manager. For your convenience I will list them again.

    He showed a lot of leadership throughout his playing career. He was a leader at Everton, and he was a leader at Arsenal + official club captain.

    Every manager that has worked with him has always backed him to become a great manager one day. Listen to what Pochettino has said about Arteta.

    He was in PSG when Arteta joined the club as a teenager, and Pochettino said he had the brain of a 30 year old and spoke like a manager even then.

    As a player he was always extremely intelligent and made the most of his limited physical talent. A physically talented player with Artetaís brain would have done wonders.

    He was handpicked by Guardiola to be his number 2 because he saw qualities in him. The likes of Sterling and Sane have explicitly praised his impact and how much he helped them at an individual level.

    At City, he also showed his tactical nous. Many times after scoring goals, Pep would point to Arteta and praise his assistance. In 2017-18 and 2018-19, City scored a lot of goals with cutback crosses, and it was Arteta who advised that tactic.

    This isnít the only instance where he has shown his value in terms of in-game tactics. He was quite cleverly more than just a laundry man or iPad merchant at Man City, that is a cry ignorant opinion.

    All of these reasons have me convinced that Arteta will be a great manager as long as he is backed by the board in the market. No manager in the world can win trophies without getting the players that he needs.

    You will of course discard all of this because you made up your mind that Arteta is crap, and that is why I ignored your question when you asked me to prove his credentials.

    I cannot change your mind over his credentials as a coach just like you cannot change my mind. So where do we go from here? You can say what you want now, but letís see who will have the last laugh.

    I will bump this thread in the future when he turns things around, just you like you will bump it if he gets sacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Oh yeah the club lacks creativity but let’s phase out our only creative midfielder into the reserves until his contract runs out even though we have failed to replace him.

    This is the cockiness of this guy and look at how it has come back to bite him! He would have been sacked by now had he been the manager at Chelsea.

    Arsenal football club as your first assignment as a head coach. My God what a disaster! Why are the board intent on taking its loyal fans for granted!?!?
    Ozil has been frozen out by the club because of his comments on China which cost the club millions. Even if Arteta to play him, he doesnít have the authority to pick him. He cannot overrule the higher ups.

    Whether Ozil returns to the team or not depends on the decision that the board makes.

    Besides, Ozil does not solve any problems especially not at the wage he is at. He is washed up and his best is behind him. You do not need to pay 350k to find a better CAM than a 2020 version of Ozil. You can sign two players on that money with better work rate and goal threat than him.

    Wenger made two huge transfer blunders in his last two years and it is still costing the club.

    First, the decision to sign Lacazette and Aubameyang in consecutive windows was nonsensical. Arsenal only needed one of the two. The other portion of the fee should have been used on a winger.

    If he had the chance to sign Aubameyang he shouldnít have wasted money on Lacazette.

    Second, he should have sold Ozil alongside Sanchez. Since Sanchez was desperate to leave, Ozil blackmailed the club into paying him whatever he demanded because Wenger did not want a repeat of 2011 when he lost both Fabregas and Nasri in successive windows.

    But Ozil was very much replaceable in 2018 and was certainly not worth 350k/week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    It's not Sabitzer we want. It is Szoboszlai but he wants to join Leipzig anyway. And I don't want Isco. Real Madrid are desperate to get rid of him for a reason.

    I would love to see us go for James Maddison. I think he has the qualities we are missing, he is young enough to improve further, and he knows the Premier League.

    I think we need to try and sign some proven Premier League players. The target should be to get into the champions league through the league. Signing PL players will help in this aspect.
    Most of the time, buying from PL clubs is not a sensible option because you donít get value for money. The likes of Maddison and Grealish are very good and they probably wonít come to Arsenal, but even if they do, they are not worth the money Leicester and Villa would command.

    You can find better/equivalent players in Europe for half the money.

    Panic buys from within Premier League is not the way forward. Liverpool have learned it the hard way over the last 10-15 years in spite of the signing of VVD.

    In the last 4 years, Arsenal have wasted a lot of money on signings like Pepe, Xhaka, Mustafi, Lacazette, Torreira etc. as well as Ozilís wages. Player identification is a massive problem at the club - that money could and should have been utilized in a much better way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Most of the time, buying from PL clubs is not a sensible option because you don’t get value for money. The likes of Maddison and Grealish are very good and they probably won’t come to Arsenal, but even if they do, they are not worth the money Leicester and Villa would command.

    You can find better/equivalent players in Europe for half the money.

    Panic buys from within Premier League is not the way forward. Liverpool have learned it the hard way over the last 10-15 years in spite of the signing of VVD.

    In the last 4 years, Arsenal have wasted a lot of money on signings like Pepe, Xhaka, Mustafi, Lacazette, Torreira etc. as well as Ozil’s wages. Player identification is a massive problem at the club - that money could and should have been utilized in a much better way.
    Liverpool success has come due to making smart purchases from the Premier League. We desperately need a couple of players to come in and hit the ground running. Grealish is out of price range but I think If we tried for Maddison he may come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    The issue you have is why would Maddison join you ?...he’s at a side challenging for the top 4...

    Also proven premiership quality is significantly more expensive than going abroad ...

    Szob to Leipzig has been confirmed by Fab...that’s an extra realisation that Arsenal has little pull at present ...winning the league 16 years ago isn’t a sell...neither is being 15th with a rookie manager and all kinds of internal problems and player issues ...

    I'm sure Maddison would be tempted to join Arsenal. Let's be honest he didn't growing up dreaming of playing for Leicester. He is there to develop and move to a bigger club.

    PL players are more expensive. But Arsenal need a couple of players who will come in and make an impact straight away. Premier league proven players are more likely to do this than players from a European league.

    Szoboszlai was always likely to join Leipzig due to them and Salzburg having a relationship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Lampard didn’t get Rice but he got Werner, Ziyech, Havertz and Thiago Silva. Four players that he wanted and weren’t forced on him by the board. He got what he wanted and he has started to show results.

    If he wasn’t backed in the market, he would be struggling today and people like you would be calling him a bad manager, because you don’t have the vision to look beyond shot-term results.

    I have already given you the reasons why I think Arteta has all the qualities to be a top manager. For your convenience I will list them again.

    He showed a lot of leadership throughout his playing career. He was a leader at Everton, and he was a leader at Arsenal + official club captain.

    Every manager that has worked with him has always backed him to become a great manager one day. Listen to what Pochettino has said about Arteta.

    He was in PSG when Arteta joined the club as a teenager, and Pochettino said he had the brain of a 30 year old and spoke like a manager even then.

    As a player he was always extremely intelligent and made the most of his limited physical talent. A physically talented player with Arteta’s brain would have done wonders.

    He was handpicked by Guardiola to be his number 2 because he saw qualities in him. The likes of Sterling and Sane have explicitly praised his impact and how much he helped them at an individual level.

    At City, he also showed his tactical nous. Many times after scoring goals, Pep would point to Arteta and praise his assistance. In 2017-18 and 2018-19, City scored a lot of goals with cutback crosses, and it was Arteta who advised that tactic.

    This isn’t the only instance where he has shown his value in terms of in-game tactics. He was quite cleverly more than just a laundry man or iPad merchant at Man City, that is a cry ignorant opinion.

    All of these reasons have me convinced that Arteta will be a great manager as long as he is backed by the board in the market. No manager in the world can win trophies without getting the players that he needs.

    You will of course discard all of this because you made up your mind that Arteta is crap, and that is why I ignored your question when you asked me to prove his credentials.

    I cannot change your mind over his credentials as a coach just like you cannot change my mind. So where do we go from here? You can say what you want now, but let’s see who will have the last laugh.

    I will bump this thread in the future when he turns things around, just you like you will bump it if he gets sacked.
    Your reasons aren’t very good...

    1 - he was a club captain?...how did Roy Keane do as manager?...how was Mourinho’s playing career?...

    2 - manager recommendations ...they come a dime a dozen...you know Arsene Wenger rated Remi Garde as a potential manager ...do you remember how that ended up for my club?...

    3 - the number 2 argument?...seriously?...how did Brian Kidd do as manager?...or Querioz?...excellent assistant managers...players loved them ...and they did terribly as managers...

    4 - Shakespeare at Villa has helped us to become more direct ...he assists ...the amusing thing about your cross point is it’s arguably one of the things Arsenal do really badly...

    5 - So he needs the players he wants...don’t all managers...who did Lampard sign in his first season?...he’s been backed in his second season which he earned by finishing in the top 4...again simple question...has Arteta been backed more or less than Emery?...was the PE teacher backed in this window?...he’s outdoing your boy atm...

    None of the criteria you have listed are remotely unique and the proof is in the pudding ...he’s been backed more than Emery...you are 15th in the table and he has lost the dressing room ...

    This isn’t some internship ...at what point does this become unacceptable to you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Liverpool success has come due to making smart purchases from the Premier League. We desperately need a couple of players to come in and hit the ground running. Grealish is out of price range but I think If we tried for Maddison he may come.
    Arsenal signed Xhaka for the same fee that Liverpool signed Mane in the same transfer window.

    But more than spending money wisely on PL players, Liveroool have been excellent at identifying the right players unlike Arsenal.

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    He's a flip flopper and stooge. Finnish senior board management doesn't help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Arsenal signed Xhaka for the same fee that Liverpool signed Mane in the same transfer window.

    But more than spending money wisely on PL players, Liveroool have been excellent at identifying the right players unlike Arsenal.
    Yes that is a fair point. Let's see what Edu and Arteta have planned.

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    ďArsenal doesn't have a manager to lead this club in the next years better than him.

    I don't have to give my support, because he has it and knows that he has it.

    He is one of the best managers I ever worked with, of course, and seen directly - for his personality, his commitment, his love for his club.

    Without his love for his club, he still would be here.

    I'm pretty sure he will turn it over and do it like everyone expects.

    Sometimes when a club comes from not a good period, it needs time. I know in this world, people think it doesn't need time.

    If I was part of the board at Arsenal, I would not have any doubts about his quality and capacity to put Arsenal in the place that Arsenal deserves to be."

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    Arsenal have Southampton tomorrow and then Chelsea away on the 26th. Looks like we will only add a maximum of 3 points before the new year. Deeply concerning times, there is no gaurentee a new manager will get us out of this mess as well.

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    I agree with Mamoon that we should stick with Arteta and that he will be a top class manager. But I think fans have a right to be concerned about his man management and some other decisions he has made. He is a young coach so hopefully he learns. But I really don't like the treatment of certain players. Arteta really needs to improve his man management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    “Arsenal doesn't have a manager to lead this club in the next years better than him.

    I don't have to give my support, because he has it and knows that he has it.

    He is one of the best managers I ever worked with, of course, and seen directly - for his personality, his commitment, his love for his club.

    Without his love for his club, he still would be here.

    I'm pretty sure he will turn it over and do it like everyone expects.

    Sometimes when a club comes from not a good period, it needs time. I know in this world, people think it doesn't need time.

    If I was part of the board at Arsenal, I would not have any doubts about his quality and capacity to put Arsenal in the place that Arsenal deserves to be."

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    Lol honestly is that your argument ...

    I was really excited when we got Garde as manager...you know why?...Wenger said he would be a brilliant manager ...and so did a lot of former Arsenal players...this is the kind of stuff that came out just prior to his appointment...

    ‘ Former Arsenal defender Adrian Clarke recalled Garde’s influence before leaving the club in 1997. "It was almost as if he was there to teach the rest of us what Wenger wanted in terms of his passing, movement and attitude," he told The Independent in 2011. "At a time when the old guard were sceptical about Wenger and his methods he was almost a link between them and the new gaffer."

    I do recall Wenger chatting to him one-on-one several times after training as we all wandered in," says Clarke. "He was 30 at the time, but he seemed much older. I think most of us saw him as a virtual player-coach, even though he wasn't part of the coaching team."

    When he took the head coach job at Lyon, Garde was instantly labelled the heir to Wenger’s Arsenal throne. And while there's still some way to go before he matches his former boss's achievements, he could take a step closer by bringing some smiles back to Villa Park. It's been a while.

    Wenger added ‘Remi is an intelligent man who is now experienced. He will try to get his ideas across and hopefully he can work. They have five or six French players who have not all had an impact.’

    Even when we were struggling Wenger said:

    He said: "Rťmi's team looked in good spirit with good cohesion but they are a bit short of confidence.

    "The people that are in charge here have worked at Arsenal and already knew him well.

    "I think he will do a good job and he needs to be given time here.

    "Time in the Premier League is difficult to get now but I encouraged him to come because I believe he has the intelligence and the quality.

    "He also has a good eye for football and a good personality."

    He also slammed us when we sacked him ...

    Now I’m not saying Arteta is as bad as Garde...but just showing that being bigged up by a top manager is meaningless...

    Thankfully we didn’t listen to Martinez when he spoke so highly of Henry...we went with Smith instead and Henry was appalling at Monaco...

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    Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta says his critics have the "right to hit me" and his team must be "brave" and put their "face and body on the line" to reverse their poor form.

    The Gunners have lost four of their past five Premier League matches and slipped to 15th during their worst start to a season for 46 years.

    Arteta dismissed talk of a relegation battle, describing the run as "a blip".

    "At the moment, I'm sorry, but we have to take the bullets," he said.

    "Dropping and dropping down the table is not the situation we want to be in. But this is our reality right now and we have to face it.

    "We have to face it being brave, fighting and no-one giving up or anything.

    "It's not time to hide - it's time to put your face and body on the line."

    The Gunners face high-flying Southampton on Wednesday (18:00 GMT kick-off), seeking to avoid losing five consecutive home games for the first time in their history.

    Arsenal's technical director Edu has called for patience from supporters as the club rebuilds under Arteta, while Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola has also offered a ringing endorsement of his former assistant.

    However, Arteta, who succeeded fellow Spaniard Unai Emery in December 2019, says he is happy to assume responsibility for their failings on the pitch.

    "We are not winning football matches and I have to put my chest there and you have to hit me," added the 38-year-old former Gunners captain in a news conference on Tuesday.

    "You have the right to hit me because I'm not winning.

    "So what else can I do? Put my head down, work harder and try to do things better and improve. That's how we have to approach things, in my opinion.

    "It's natural. I accept the criticism and it's part of the job.

    "You can explain whatever you want but, at the end of the day, you have to win football matches and this club is too big to accept this many losses in the last weeks.

    "So my chest is here - hit me, guys."

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    Gabriel has been a good signing, but there are still too many players not playing to their potential.

    A few rumours regarding some senior players aren't happy with Arteta.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Arteta will be be one of the best managers in the world. He is being let down by a dysfunctional squad with pathetic mentality. This is the most unlikable Arsenal squad ever. A bunch of entitled, average footballers with no work ethic and discipline.

    If the board have no patience and make Arteta a scapegoat it will be their loss in the long run. If not at Arsenal he will end up proving his worth at another club. Right now, no manager in the world can sort the hot mess that Arsenal is without proper investment in the market.

    If Arsenal sack him City will still look at him as a potential successor to Pep. They worked him with for 3 years, they saw what he is capable of, how much he helped players like Sterling and Sane and how his in-game management influenced Pep as well.

    In 2017-18 and 2018-19, City scored a lot of goals with cutback crosses, and it was Arteta who came up with that idea. It is just one example of his influence at City which armchair critics do not see.

    Pep is 9th with City this season after spending a fortune and spending 4 years at the club, but somehow Arteta is joker if he is currently 15th with this Arsenal squad without even having a full season with these nothing players and having no backing in the market.

    Experience is overrated. Wenger couldnít arrest Arsenalís decline in his last years in spite of being the most experienced manager in English football post SAF retirement.
    This is mere conjecture.

    I assume you've watched all Arsenal games this season?

    Arteta is clueless when it comes to tactics. He has no idea which style to play with the players he has, often asking his team to cross the ball into the box when he has no forwards who are great in the air. I could give you more examples but the game isnt about what if, it's what is he doing and it's all over the place.

    Arsenal 0 - 1 Southampton Half Time now.

    Another loss on it's way at home it seems.


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    Another red card with the game in the balance and 30 minutes left

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    Ends 1-1 , a good result for Arsenal. The players at least gave some effort for Arteta and with 10 men held on against a form Saints team.

    Tough games to come.

    Everton, City and Chelsea. He needs at least one win out of those 3 matches.


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    Arsenal celebrating a draw at home like Pakistan celebrating a draw away to England in Tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Arsenal celebrating a draw at home like Pakistan celebrating a draw away to England in Tests
    You watching rivals Fulham V Brighton? ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Another red card with the game in the balance and 30 minutes left
    Points to disciplinary problems without a doubt.



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    You know what makes a good coach?...when you see an improvement in players ...

    Look what Mourinho has done with Ndombele and Aurier ...even look at what Kane has been able to add to his game ...

    As a Villa fan look at how Smith along with Shakespeare have managed to develop players...look at Jack’s improvement since the start of last season...look at how terrible Douglas Luiz was and how much better he is now...Trez looks better...Targett was incapable of defending last season and has looked so much more solid...

    Bielsa is the best example of getting the best out of average players ...

    Which player hasn’t digressed under Arteta?...even Gabriel seems to have caught the bug...

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    There's only so much a manager can do. For example, I saw some Arsenal fans blaming Arteta for Gabriel's red card today due to his "stupid selections".

    I think Arsenal fans need to wake up and realize that it is the squads fault they are 15th and not Arteta's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhTwadi View Post
    There's only so much a manager can do. For example, I saw some Arsenal fans blaming Arteta for Gabriel's red card today due to his "stupid selections".

    I think Arsenal fans need to wake up and realize that it is the squads fault they are 15th and not Arteta's.
    Emery got a worse squad to 5th (1pt off Champions League)...and a European final...
    Emery was sacked with a worse squad when he was 1pt off 5th the following season...

    When he was sacked...the problem apparently wasn’t the players it was Emery...but Arteta with a better squad finished 8th...fair play won a trophy...but is now in 15th...

    Remember too that this is the same manager that dropped Martinelli...isn’t playing Saliba ahead of a player Newcastle wanted on loan...extended Luiz’s contract...refused to let Bellerin go out on loan...got rid of Guendouzi...tried to get Mustafi to extend his contract...signed Willian...

    He’s responsible for some of the deadwood being there...yet apparently he’s blameless...

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    The players donít have discipline and they also lack personal pride. The manager cannot do anything when the players donít respond.

    Blaming the coach and demanding his head to be chopped on a guillotine is an easy option but it is not always the solution.

    Arsenal need a massive clear-out because no manager can work with this pathetic bunch. The following players need to leave the club permanently within 1 year:

    Ozil, Willian, Lacazette, Luiz, Xhaka, Sokratis, Mustafi, Bellerin, Kolasinac and Torreira.

    In addition, no more loans for Ceballos. Madrid need to dump their useless midfielder elsewhere.

    The likes of Guendouzi and Saliba need to be told in clear terms that they must change their attitude if they want a future at this club.

    This nonsense of criticizing/mocking the manager on social media will not fly anywhere. If they are not willing to change then they also need to head for the exit door.

    Arteta needs to oversee this exodus and bring in new players with the right attitude and mentality.

    He was part of a title winning environment at City for 3 years and he knows what the club needs to become a force and challenge at the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The players don’t have discipline and they also lack personal pride. The manager cannot do anything when the players don’t respond.

    Blaming the coach and demanding his head to be chopped on a guillotine is an easy option but it is not always the solution.

    Arsenal need a massive clear-out because no manager can work with this pathetic bunch. The following players need to leave the club permanently within 1 year:

    Ozil, Willian, Lacazette, Luiz, Xhaka, Sokratis, Mustafi, Bellerin, Kolasinac and Torreira.

    In addition, no more loans for Ceballos. Madrid need to dump their useless midfielder elsewhere.

    The likes of Guendouzi and Saliba need to be told in clear terms that they must change their attitude if they want a future at this club.

    This nonsense of criticizing/mocking the manager on social media will not fly anywhere. If they are not willing to change then they also need to head for the exit door.

    Arteta needs to oversee this exodus and bring in new players with the right attitude and mentality.

    He was part of a title winning environment at City for 3 years and he knows what the club needs to become a force and challenge at the top.
    Lmao this post is genuinely hilarious ...

    Let’s look at your list of players to be binned...

    Willian...who bought him?...
    Ceballos...who brought him back?...
    Xhaka...who convinced him not to leave in January?...
    Mustafi...who offered to extend his contract?...
    Bellerin...who refused to let him go to PSG?...
    Luiz...who extended his contract?...
    Laca...who had no interest in selling him despite interest?...

    Your messiah is responsible for the majority of the players you have listed still being at the club ...and playing ...

    Guendouzi who would walk into this side and is a young player has been shunned ...while an inferior player Xhaka is defended for doing a lot worse...
    Torreira has been binned...
    As for Saliba...good luck at St Etienne...he deserves a club that will treat him with the respect he deserves ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Lmao this post is genuinely hilarious ...

    Let’s look at your list of players to be binned...

    Willian...who bought him?...
    Ceballos...who brought him back?...
    Xhaka...who convinced him not to leave in January?...
    Mustafi...who offered to extend his contract?...
    Bellerin...who refused to let him go to PSG?...
    Luiz...who extended his contract?...
    Laca...who had no interest in selling him despite interest?...

    Your messiah is responsible for the majority of the players you have listed still being at the club ...and playing ...

    Guendouzi who would walk into this side and is a young player has been shunned ...while an inferior player Xhaka is defended for doing a lot worse...
    Torreira has been binned...
    As for Saliba...good luck at St Etienne...he deserves a club that will treat him with the respect he deserves ...
    Willian and Ceballos were forced on in him by Edu because the club failed to sign Aouar/Coutinho.

    He didnít sell the others because the transfer market was slow due to the pandemic and it was not possible to have a mass turnover of players.

    As things slowly get back to normal, this turnover will happen over the next 2-3 windows and Arteta must be given the chance to rebuild the squad and develop an identity with players who would pull up their socks on the pitch instead of crying on Twitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Willian and Ceballos were forced on in him by Edu because the club failed to sign Aouar/Coutinho.

    He didn’t sell the others because the transfer market was slow due to the pandemic and it was not possible to have a mass turnover of players.

    As things slowly get back to normal, this turnover will happen over the next 2-3 windows and Arteta must be given the chance to rebuild the squad and develop an identity with players who would pull up their socks on the pitch instead of crying on Twitter.
    Lol so you’re gonna keep passing the buck?...

    Willian may well be an Edu signing but it’s Arteta’s choice to play him ...why not start with Pepe or Nelson ...

    Ceballos...you’re reaching...

    Forget a large turnover...none of these players got moved on ...

    You have lots of centre backs...why did he try and extend Mustafi’s contract?...Why did he extend Luiz’s contract?...

    Why does he play Bellerin instead of Soares and AMN?...

    Why not sell Laca?...he refused to entertain the idea ...

    You’re actually making the excuse of not having too high a turnover?...I’m a fan of a club who let 12 mediocre players go in one window...

    Your outgoings are Emi (thank you ), Guendouzi, Torreira and Mkhitaryan ...you honestly going to use the ‘we couldn’t have high turnover’ excuse ...

    Why couldn’t Bellerin go when you have signed Soares and AMN...

    Why could none of your centre backs go when you have like a 100 of them ...honestly your argument really doesn’t hold up whatsoever ...

    The players you feel are mediocre are consistently picked by this amazing manager...this despite having players in reserve ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Lol so you’re gonna keep passing the buck?...

    Willian may well be an Edu signing but it’s Arteta’s choice to play him ...why not start with Pepe or Nelson ...

    Ceballos...you’re reaching...

    Forget a large turnover...none of these players got moved on ...

    You have lots of centre backs...why did he try and extend Mustafi’s contract?...Why did he extend Luiz’s contract?...

    Why does he play Bellerin instead of Soares and AMN?...

    Why not sell Laca?...he refused to entertain the idea ...

    You’re actually making the excuse of not having too high a turnover?...I’m a fan of a club who let 12 mediocre players go in one window...

    Your outgoings are Emi (thank you ), Guendouzi, Torreira and Mkhitaryan ...you honestly going to use the ‘we couldn’t have high turnover’ excuse ...

    Why couldn’t Bellerin go when you have signed Soares and AMN...

    Why could none of your centre backs go when you have like a 100 of them ...honestly your argument really doesn’t hold up whatsoever ...

    The players you feel are mediocre are consistently picked by this amazing manager...this despite having players in reserve ...
    Donít give examples of your small club that will always operate at a completely different level to Arsenal.

    Selling 12 players for Aston Villa and then recruiting replacements is different to a club like Arsenal whose supporters demand and expect UCL football.

    It was a slow summer for pretty much the entire top 6 clubs.

    Villa fansí heads are in the clouds these days because they got Grealish and put 7 goals past Liverpool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Don’t give examples of your small club that will always operate at a completely different level to Arsenal.

    Selling 12 players for Aston Villa and then recruiting replacements is different to a club like Arsenal whose supporters demand and expect UCL football.

    It was a slow summer for pretty much the entire top 6 clubs.

    Villa fans’ heads are in the clouds these days because they got Grealish and put 7 goals past Liverpool.
    Lmao ...I haven’t mentioned 12 players ...I’ve asked you why this excellent manager did the following:

    - convinced Xhaka to stay and not go to Hertha
    - offered a contract extension to Mustafi when you have too many centre backs as it is
    - blocked Holdings loan to Newcastle
    - refused to let Bellerin go to PSG when you have two other right backs in the squad
    - offered Luiz a contract extension

    Your posting absolute nonsense...you’ve made a list of players that you blame for the lack of success ...and these are players that Arteta has CHOSEN to keep at the club ...this is 5 players ...you’re saying these players couldn’t be let go?...

    Especially when for now what looks like a stupid signing...he also decided to bring in Soares and block AMN’s transfer ...
    Signed Mari and had Saliba back from loan...

    Do you actually think Xhaka and Elneny are better than Torreira and Guendouzi?...the latter are the players your messiah choose to let go ...and kept the former...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Lmao ...I haven’t mentioned 12 players ...I’ve asked you why this excellent manager did the following:

    - convinced Xhaka to stay and not go to Hertha
    - offered a contract extension to Mustafi when you have too many centre backs as it is
    - blocked Holdings loan to Newcastle
    - refused to let Bellerin go to PSG when you have two other right backs in the squad
    - offered Luiz a contract extension

    Your posting absolute nonsense...you’ve made a list of players that you blame for the lack of success ...and these are players that Arteta has CHOSEN to keep at the club ...this is 5 players ...you’re saying these players couldn’t be let go?...

    Especially when for now what looks like a stupid signing...he also decided to bring in Soares and block AMN’s transfer ...
    Signed Mari and had Saliba back from loan...

    Do you actually think Xhaka and Elneny are better than Torreira and Guendouzi?...the latter are the players your messiah choose to let go ...and kept the former...
    Arteta didnít retain these players because he rates then highly; he retained them because the club didnít give him the funds to recruit replacements. Arsenal had no intention of spending big in the Covid-hit market.

    The players that I listed will not be at the club in 12-24 months. That illustrates how little Arteta rates them.

    Elneny is not better than Torreira and Guendouzi, but the crying midget was desperate to leave. He made no effort to settle in and didnít learn a word of English.

    Besides, if he was any good, Simeone wouldnít be planning on sending him back midway through his loan.

    Guendouziís was loaned out due to disciplinary issues. He got into a fight with Brighton players and mocked them on their wages. Arteta demanded an apology and he refused. That is why he was loaned out.

    You have to establish standards and if players donít conform you cannot cater to them unless they are irreplaceable which Guendouzi clearly isnít.

    Elneny is the perfect squad player. Every club wants and needs players like him. Works hard positive attitude and doesnít complain about game time and wonít mock his manager on Twitter.

    As far as Xhaka is concerned, he was convinced to stay because of his leadership qualities. He is captain of Switzerland and also captained Gladbach.

    Yes he is temperamental and that cost him his Arsenal captaincy, but he must have some qualities to get into leadership roles everywhere he goes.

    It is also important to note that City were interested in him the same summer Arteta and Pep as joined City and Xhaka ended up at Arsenal.

    Unfortunately, Xhaka isnít good enough as a player to be a starter but and he wonít accept a bench role because he can walk into a lot of lower half clubs and lead those teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Arteta didn’t retain these players because he rates then highly; he retained them because the club didn’t give him the funds to recruit replacements. Arsenal had no intention of spending big in the Covid-hit market.

    The players that I listed will not be at the club in 12-24 months. That illustrates how little Arteta rates them.

    Elneny is not better than Torreira and Guendouzi, but the crying midget was desperate to leave. He made no effort to settle in and didn’t learn a word of English.

    Besides, if he was any good, Simeone wouldn’t be planning on sending him back midway through his loan.

    Guendouzi’s was loaned out due to disciplinary issues. He got into a fight with Brighton players and mocked them on their wages. Arteta demanded an apology and he refused. That is why he was loaned out.

    You have to establish standards and if players don’t conform you cannot cater to them unless they are irreplaceable which Guendouzi clearly isn’t.

    Elneny is the perfect squad player. Every club wants and needs players like him. Works hard positive attitude and doesn’t complain about game time and won’t mock his manager on Twitter.

    As far as Xhaka is concerned, he was convinced to stay because of his leadership qualities. He is captain of Switzerland and also captained Gladbach.

    Yes he is temperamental and that cost him his Arsenal captaincy, but he must have some qualities to get into leadership roles everywhere he goes.

    It is also important to note that City were interested in him the same summer Arteta and Pep as joined City and Xhaka ended up at Arsenal.

    Unfortunately, Xhaka isn’t good enough as a player to be a starter but and he won’t accept a bench role because he can walk into a lot of lower half clubs and lead those teams.
    God almighty the number of holes in your argument ...

    So your point is Arteta had to keep these players he doesn’t want because the board wouldn’t provide replacements ...

    So let’s start with centre backs ...the board gave Arteta Gabriel as he wanted and Mari too ...this left you with a grand total of wait for it...9 centre backs...Gabriel, Saliba, Holding, Tierney, Mari, Chambers, Luiz, Sokratis and Mustafi ...

    So you bought two centre backs but didn’t sell two because you couldn’t replace them lol...obviously every club needs nine centre backs...

    But again proof is in the pudding...Saliba doesn’t play, Luiz does, Holding does and Mustafi was offered a contract ...but apparently he’s been forced into that by circumstance...

    And apparently he is forced into using Bellerin because no replacement was signed...I do wonder who Soares is...who apparently according to Arteta is the best crosser at the club ...and AMN...but you’re squad requires three right backs apparently...

    But of course despite having three right backs Arteta has no choice but to play Bellerin every game ...

    So how many central midfielders did you need...well your boy binned two himself...Guendouzi who refused to apologise cos he backed his teammate ...while Xhaka gets away with everything ...but let’s put aside the blatant favouritism ...

    So he binned Guendouzi and Torreira ...and brought in Partey ...and according to you was forced into taking Ceballos...in this sense I guess the question for you then is whether you prefer Elneny and Xhaka to the likes of Willock and ESR or even AMN...cos again how many centre mids do you need?...

    And of course it’s impossible to get rid of Laca cos of the massive shortage of strikers at the club...that I’ll let slide cos I presume then that you also think Martinelli, Nketiah and Balogun are surplus to requirements...

    As for Willian he has to play right cos of course Pepe and Nelson isn’t enough right wingers?...

    Which clubs btw would Xhaka walk into ...he wouldn’t get into my club...

    Which clubs would Elneny walk into ...he wouldn’t make our bench ...

    The fact that you’re comparing Torreira and Elneny is extremely suspect mate ...Napoli wanted Torreira ...Fenerbahce wanted Elneny...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    God almighty the number of holes in your argument ...

    So your point is Arteta had to keep these players he doesn’t want because the board wouldn’t provide replacements ...

    So let’s start with centre backs ...the board gave Arteta Gabriel as he wanted and Mari too ...this left you with a grand total of wait for it...9 centre backs...Gabriel, Saliba, Holding, Tierney, Mari, Chambers, Luiz, Sokratis and Mustafi ...

    So you bought two centre backs but didn’t sell two because you couldn’t replace them lol...obviously every club needs nine centre backs...

    But again proof is in the pudding...Saliba doesn’t play, Luiz does, Holding does and Mustafi was offered a contract ...but apparently he’s been forced into that by circumstance...

    And apparently he is forced into using Bellerin because no replacement was signed...I do wonder who Soares is...who apparently according to Arteta is the best crosser at the club ...and AMN...but you’re squad requires three right backs apparently...

    But of course despite having three right backs Arteta has no choice but to play Bellerin every game ...

    So how many central midfielders did you need...well your boy binned two himself...Guendouzi who refused to apologise cos he backed his teammate ...while Xhaka gets away with everything ...but let’s put aside the blatant favouritism ...

    So he binned Guendouzi and Torreira ...and brought in Partey ...and according to you was forced into taking Ceballos...in this sense I guess the question for you then is whether you prefer Elneny and Xhaka to the likes of Willock and ESR or even AMN...cos again how many centre mids do you need?...

    And of course it’s impossible to get rid of Laca cos of the massive shortage of strikers at the club...that I’ll let slide cos I presume then that you also think Martinelli, Nketiah and Balogun are surplus to requirements...

    As for Willian he has to play right cos of course Pepe and Nelson isn’t enough right wingers?...

    Which clubs btw would Xhaka walk into ...he wouldn’t get into my club...

    Which clubs would Elneny walk into ...he wouldn’t make our bench ...

    The fact that you’re comparing Torreira and Elneny is extremely suspect mate ...Napoli wanted Torreira ...Fenerbahce wanted Elneny...
    You keep repeating the same points when you are aware of what I will say in response. Looks like you are only interested in having the last word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    You keep repeating the same points when you are aware of what I will say in response. Looks like you are only interested in having the last word.
    Nope just exposing the fact that you’re acting like your squad is too small to sell players when in fact your squad is bloated ...

    Your excuses hold no weight whatsoever...

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    @Mamoon , Sokratis,Luiz,Mustafi, and Ozil are all out of contract at the end of the season so they are definitely gone. Kolasinac,Lacazette, and Elneny will all have 1 year left on their contract in the summer so they will either be sold or we have them for 1 more summer.

    Guendouzi and Torreira will be sold to raise funds.

    So a lot of incoming should be happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    @Mamoon , Sokratis,Luiz,Mustafi, and Ozil are all out of contract at the end of the season so they are definitely gone. Kolasinac,Lacazette, and Elneny will all have 1 year left on their contract in the summer so they will either be sold or we have them for 1 more summer.

    Guendouzi and Torreira will be sold to raise funds.

    So a lot of incoming should be happening.
    Sokratis and Ozil yeah ...who knows maybe the other two will get an extension ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Sokratis and Ozil yeah ...who knows maybe the other two will get an extension ;)
    Mustafi wants to leave. And apparently Luiz and Arteta have fallen out, so i doubt he will stay on.

    There is not even talk of a new contract being offered for either Luiz or Mustafi. Mustafi has not always been even getting on the bench for PL games. That tells you everything about his future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    @Mamoon , Sokratis,Luiz,Mustafi, and Ozil are all out of contract at the end of the season so they are definitely gone. Kolasinac,Lacazette, and Elneny will all have 1 year left on their contract in the summer so they will either be sold or we have them for 1 more summer.

    Guendouzi and Torreira will be sold to raise funds.

    So a lot of incoming should be happening.
    In all honesty, you can't trust this board to reach the right outcomes because Arsenal is the worst run club in the whole of the PL.

    I get that our owners don't want to spend money but at the same time we need to recruit smarter.

    Firstly, we have wasted in excess of £150m on Lacazette, Pepe, Xhaka and Mustafi.

    Secondly, we didn't bring in Arteta because we felt that he was going to be a top manager. We opted for him because he was cheaper than someone who is proven and established. Time will tell if he will succeed but we would have been doing a lot better if we had Mourinho instead.

    The bottom line is Arsenal need to stop experimenting with inexperience and washed up players and managers.
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    Imagine how much better Arsenal would be doing this season if they:

    1. Had signed Ziyech instead of Pepe
    2. Picked Mourinho over Arteta
    3. Kept Ozil in the team

    This in a nutshell summarises Arsenal's incompetence. We are basically the Pakistan Cricket Board of the Premier League.

    Ziyech's dream move was Arsenal but thanks to Sanllehi, we decided to splash over £70m on Gervinho 2.0 instead. This guy was the biggest cancer at Arsenal so good riddance to see the back of him.

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