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    Mohammad Hafeez's bowling action cleared by the ECB

    Mohammad Hafeez has been suspended from bowling in ECB competitions following a Bowling Review Group (BRG) appeal hearing at Lordís.

    The off-spinnerís suspension follows the process set out in the ECBís Regulations for the Review of Bowlers Reported with a Suspected Illegal Bowling Action.

    Hafeezís bowling action was reported by umpires following the Vitality Blast match between Somerset and Middlesex at Taunton on 30th August 2019 and the playerís action then underwent independent assessment at Loughborough University.

    That assessment, which was contested by Hafeez, found that the playerís elbow extension for his off-spin delivery exceeded 15 degrees as defined in the Illegal Bowling Regulations.

    The player has been advised to correct his action. Once this has occurred the player may request a re-assessment of his action. Until he is able to pass an independent re-assessment of his action the player is not eligible to bowl in ECB competitions.


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    Looks like its time to retire.

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    The guy has no shame. Countless times heís been caught cheating. PCB should ban him too.

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    Final nail in the coffin for him. Sadly, his international career is over.

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    His international career is over

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    Has been traveling all over the world to embarrass Pakistan. But then ICC gives him a clean chit every time.
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    jusy donít get it - when you have the batting talent of Sobers, the flamboyance of Lara, the swagger of Viv, the style of Zaheer Abbas and Bradmanís hunger for runs as a batsman , and score 100s so effortlessly against the best fast bowlers in world cricket in any format, you can just play as a specialist batsman and walk into any team in the world - why even bother to bowl and take the risk of being banned for your bowling action ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majid Khan View Post
    jusy donít get it - when you have the batting talent of Sobers, the flamboyance of Lara, the swagger of Viv, the style of Zaheer Abbas and Bradmanís hunger for runs as a batsman , and score 100s so effortlessly against the best fast bowlers in world cricket in any format, you can just play as a specialist batsman and walk into any team in the world - why even bother to bowl and take the risk of being banned for your bowling action ?
    we are talking about real cricket not EA cricket games.

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    Thank you icc .hopefully this is end of hafeez international career

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    Thank you icc .hopefully this is end of hafeez international career
    Not ICC, ECB. He is only banned from ECB competitions.


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    he was an exceptional part time bowler when he was chucking.

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    STATEMENT FROM MOHAMMAD HAFEEZ

    Mohammad Hafeez, who made four appearances for Middlesex in this summer's Vitality Blast campaign, has issued the following statement in response to the findings made by the ECB's Bowling Review Group...

    "I have received the ECB Bowling Review Group report on my bowling action. Despite identifying procedural testing flaws, which have been accepted by the review committee, as well as realising the findings will potentially affect my reputation as a world-proven all-rounder, I accept the Bowling Review Group findings.

    "As per ECB regulations, I am ready to appear for an independent analysis at an ICC-accredited centre so that I become eligible to play in ECB-organised events."

    https://www.middlesexccc.com/news/20...b-announcement


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    STATEMENT FROM MOHAMMAD HAFEEZ

    Mohammad Hafeez, who made four appearances for Middlesex in this summer's Vitality Blast campaign, has issued the following statement in response to the findings made by the ECB's Bowling Review Group...

    "I have received the ECB Bowling Review Group report on my bowling action. Despite identifying procedural testing flaws, which have been accepted by the review committee, as well as realising the findings will potentially affect my reputation as a world-proven all-rounder, I accept the Bowling Review Group findings.

    "As per ECB regulations, I am ready to appear for an independent analysis at an ICC-accredited centre so that I become eligible to play in ECB-organised events."

    https://www.middlesexccc.com/news/20...b-announcement


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    Good.

    Ban the chucking and chuckers. Hate it even more when chuckers defend themselves.

    But, off spin is also a lost art now. Need to make some changes either to the rules or testing procedures.

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    Dents Hafeezs' chances of being the 2023 World cup captain at age 43.

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    Chuckers should be banned forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    World proven all-rounder ? Now thatís a new one.

    Whatís the cricketing term to describe the likes of Imran, Botham, Kapil Dev , as clearly all-rounder means something else - eg, ďone who can hold a bat and one who can throw (no pun intended) the ball.Ē

    Iíve already accepted the existence of a parallel universe where Bradman is the 2nd best batsman of all time , now what is there another parallel universe where Imran and Sobers make the Top 3 world proven all rounders list covering spots 2 and 3 between them ?

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    A tolerance for match fixers means more will appear in the future.
    A tolerance for chuckers means more will appear in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyWarsFan View Post
    Dents Hafeezs' chances of being the 2023 World cup captain at age 43.
    Its over.

    Best to get tips from his pal Akhtar bhai on starting his YouTube channel and earn some good cash.


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    Well this is not new since this guy has had his action tested before. Does not deserve to being called a allrounder. Glad PCB got rid of him before he did it the international stage. Should quietly retire now.


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    Why are fans so happy about it? Did they not see what happens to Pakistan (in Australia) when you exclude Hafeez-Malik from t20s?

    Name one middle order (#4 or #5) who has better t20 records than Hafeez-Malik.
    P.S. Dont fool yourself by naming Haris Sohail or Sarfraz


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    Only shows how useless are ICC rules.

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    That news would have been better before ODI WC 2019.

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    All facets of the game should call it quits now.

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    Truly a national tragedy.

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    News Headline - year 2062 -ďMohammad Hafeez suspended from bowling in ICC competitions due to an illegal bowling action. Hafeez to contest charges as his reputation and livelihood are at stake. Pakistanís selector, Coach, PCB chairman, PHF chairman, LCCA head, owner of Islamabad United and Prime Minister Misbah-ul-Haq has backed Hafeez in his stance and has also pointed him out as an emerging talent for Pakistan team. Deputy selector and Vice Captain Shoaib Malik was also present on the occasion, as was newly returned to team Umar Akmal. They has just come back after attending the wedding of Fawad Alamís grandson - who is averaging 123 in domestic batting averages and knocking at the doors of test cricket for the last 12 years. Misbah-ul-Haq expressed confidence in his senior team though and urged youngsters to continue working hard.

    Pakistan team is currently at 27th spot in the ICC test teams table - working its way in division 3.Ē

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    This dishonest cheat has no shame.

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    Following received from Mohammad Hafeez's management:


    24th December 2019

    Mr Hafeez bowling action was reported by umpires following the Vitality Blast match between Somerset and Middlesex at Taunton on 30th August 2019. This is despite bowling in the full spotlight of International cricket during the past 18 months, including T20, ODI, Test Matches and the recent ODI World Cup. During this period, no comments have been made regarding his bowling action by ICC umpires during or after these International cricket fixtures.

    Mr Hafeez underwent independent analysis at Loughborough University on the 11th October 2019. The analysis concluded that his elbow extension angle for 6 out of the 24 off-spin deliveries exceeded 15 degrees as defined in the Illegal Bowling Regulations (five deliveries being 1 degree above and One deliver measured at 2 degrees above the 15 degree). Mr Hafeez and his team were very surprised by the findings of the test and, as entitled, appealed the ECB decision and asked for more information. He and his support team work continuously to make sure his bowling action meets the ICC guidelines.

    It transpired mistakes were made in the protocol followed on the day of the testing and the ball release identification and the ‘Elbow Extension Angle’ table presented within the signed report was incorrect and had not been checked by the Independent Assessor. In addition to this, the high speed video footage used to synchronise with the Vicon system was of such a poor quality, making it impossible to identify the correct ‘point of release’. These facts are simply indefensible and calls the testing protocol followed on 11th October 2019 into question.

    Despite presenting evidence regarding the poor video quality and the inability to accurately identify of the correct ‘point of release’ the BRG Panel refused a re-test. It is imperative that a bowlers action is based on true and accurate analysis and thus the results and findings beyond reproach. Unfortunately, The BRG Panel upheld the findings of the independent analysis at an appeal hearing at Lord’s on Friday 13th December 2019.

    Mr Hafeez wanted to bring this matter to the public attention as he feels his career and reputation will be negatively affected by the outcome of the assessment and review. He feels strongly that there were significant short comings with the testing procedure on the 11th October 2019 at Loughborough University.

    Mr Hafeez passed an unofficial 3D analysis on his bowling action on the 10th October 2019 and another one analysed in the ICC accredited laboratory in Lahore Pakistan on the 26th October 2019. Mr Hafeez will undertake an official ICC test as soon as possible so to become eligible to play in ECB organised events.


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    Hafeez's case is a prime example of ICC's incompetence. He has been reported like 10 times during his international career, gets his action sorted out in a month, comes back to international cricket and starts chucking again.

    He has truly made ICC look like a bunch of jokers.

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    What a clown, retire already.

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    How embarrassing would it be if PCB let him bowl in domestic or PSL when ECB have convicted him.

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    Where are those who attacked SIF for calling out Hafeez's chucking during the WC Eng game?

    When it comes to chucking, SIF will always always always WIN in the end.

    No coincidence he has a 100% success rate.

    P.S - Work and personal reasons kept me away from PP but i will soon be back. Hav a lot of posts to respond to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SARJ_BD View Post
    Why are fans so happy about it? Did they not see what happens to Pakistan (in Australia) when you exclude Hafeez-Malik from t20s?

    Name one middle order (#4 or #5) who has better t20 records than Hafeez-Malik.
    P.S. Dont fool yourself by naming Haris Sohail or Sarfraz
    I prefer Pakistan keeps losing for 2 years and in process finds future stars rather than playing Hafeez and Malik again.

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    and you will see him bowl in PSL if not banned by ICC.


    جاگن والیاں رجّ کے لٹیا اے،
    سوئے تسیں وی او، سوئے اسیں وی آں۔

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Where are those who attacked SIF for calling out Hafeez's chucking during the WC Eng game?

    When it comes to chucking, SIF will always always always WIN in the end.

    No coincidence he has a 100% success rate.

    P.S - Work and personal reasons kept me away from PP but i will soon be back. Hav a lot of posts to respond to.
    Agreed. England sent left hander stokes to face his chucking and he struggled. Had they promoted buttler instead, they would have won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    Agreed. England sent left hander stokes to face his chucking and he struggled. Had they promoted buttler instead, they would have won.
    Man Bhajji chucked throughout the 2011 WC. You cant take away the world cup or matches because of something ICC was unable to identify on particular occasions.

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    Hafeez averages 23 in T20 internationals. To make it worse he averages 20 across 4 T20 world Cups with only 1 50. Thanks but no thanks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    STATEMENT FROM MOHAMMAD HAFEEZ

    Mohammad Hafeez, who made four appearances for Middlesex in this summer's Vitality Blast campaign, has issued the following statement in response to the findings made by the ECB's Bowling Review Group...

    "I have received the ECB Bowling Review Group report on my bowling action. Despite identifying procedural testing flaws, which have been accepted by the review committee, as well as realising the findings will potentially affect my reputation as a world-proven all-rounder, I accept the Bowling Review Group findings.

    "As per ECB regulations, I am ready to appear for an independent analysis at an ICC-accredited centre so that I become eligible to play in ECB-organised events."

    https://www.middlesexccc.com/news/20...b-announcement
    If there is any cricketer with no shame, it's him.


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasn't arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    STATEMENT FROM MOHAMMAD HAFEEZ

    Mohammad Hafeez, who made four appearances for Middlesex in this summer's Vitality Blast campaign, has issued the following statement in response to the findings made by the ECB's Bowling Review Group...

    "I have received the ECB Bowling Review Group report on my bowling action. Despite identifying procedural testing flaws, which have been accepted by the review committee, as well as realising the findings will potentially affect my reputation as a world-proven all-rounder, I accept the Bowling Review Group findings.

    "As per ECB regulations, I am ready to appear for an independent analysis at an ICC-accredited centre so that I become eligible to play in ECB-organised events."

    https://www.middlesexccc.com/news/20...b-announcement
    World proven all-rounder....Oh the self praise

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Following received from Mohammad Hafeez's management:


    24th December 2019

    Mr Hafeez bowling action was reported by umpires following the Vitality Blast match between Somerset and Middlesex at Taunton on 30th August 2019. This is despite bowling in the full spotlight of International cricket during the past 18 months, including T20, ODI, Test Matches and the recent ODI World Cup. During this period, no comments have been made regarding his bowling action by ICC umpires during or after these International cricket fixtures.

    Mr Hafeez underwent independent analysis at Loughborough University on the 11th October 2019. The analysis concluded that his elbow extension angle for 6 out of the 24 off-spin deliveries exceeded 15 degrees as defined in the Illegal Bowling Regulations (five deliveries being 1 degree above and One deliver measured at 2 degrees above the 15 degree). Mr Hafeez and his team were very surprised by the findings of the test and, as entitled, appealed the ECB decision and asked for more information. He and his support team work continuously to make sure his bowling action meets the ICC guidelines.

    It transpired mistakes were made in the protocol followed on the day of the testing and the ball release identification and the ĎElbow Extension Angleí table presented within the signed report was incorrect and had not been checked by the Independent Assessor. In addition to this, the high speed video footage used to synchronise with the Vicon system was of such a poor quality, making it impossible to identify the correct Ďpoint of releaseí. These facts are simply indefensible and calls the testing protocol followed on 11th October 2019 into question.

    Despite presenting evidence regarding the poor video quality and the inability to accurately identify of the correct Ďpoint of releaseí the BRG Panel refused a re-test. It is imperative that a bowlers action is based on true and accurate analysis and thus the results and findings beyond reproach. Unfortunately, The BRG Panel upheld the findings of the independent analysis at an appeal hearing at Lordís on Friday 13th December 2019.

    Mr Hafeez wanted to bring this matter to the public attention as he feels his career and reputation will be negatively affected by the outcome of the assessment and review. He feels strongly that there were significant short comings with the testing procedure on the 11th October 2019 at Loughborough University.

    Mr Hafeez passed an unofficial 3D analysis on his bowling action on the 10th October 2019 and another one analysed in the ICC accredited laboratory in Lahore Pakistan on the 26th October 2019. Mr Hafeez will undertake an official ICC test as soon as possible so to become eligible to play in ECB organised events.
    This is all very interesting. I've been following the extra vigilance on bowling actions and there's still some question's around the whole thing.

    Firstly, the margins of error are very fine. Literally, there is no way an on-field call would be able tell the difference between a 15 degrees straigthening or 16/17 degrees one with the naked eye so even if he does get cleared and bowls every single ball at say 14 degrees, I'd imagine the same umpires would call him again.

    This also reiterates a point made by Hafeez (and others) before that unless every bowler is tested, any bowler being selected by an on-field umpire is unfairly being targeted (unless it's balatant but people like that would be filtered out well before making it to professional level).

    This also sheds some light on the testing methods, some of which have remained a mystery ever since the ICC decided to change the providers of the 'chucking test'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    STATEMENT FROM MOHAMMAD HAFEEZ

    Mohammad Hafeez, who made four appearances for Middlesex in this summer's Vitality Blast campaign, has issued the following statement in response to the findings made by the ECB's Bowling Review Group...

    "I have received the ECB Bowling Review Group report on my bowling action. Despite identifying procedural testing flaws, which have been accepted by the review committee, as well as realising the findings will potentially affect my reputation as a world-proven all-rounder, I accept the Bowling Review Group findings.

    "As per ECB regulations, I am ready to appear for an independent analysis at an ICC-accredited centre so that I become eligible to play in ECB-organised events."

    https://www.middlesexccc.com/news/20...b-announcement
    If he is world proven all-rounder then Shane Watson is an atg allrounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Man Bhajji chucked throughout the 2011 WC. You cant take away the world cup or matches because of something ICC was unable to identify on particular occasions.
    That was a time when everyone was chucking. Ajmal, bhajji, Botha were all guilty. Post 2014 crackdown, Hafeez has been the worst offender by far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wristy_Shuffler View Post
    This is all very interesting. I've been following the extra vigilance on bowling actions and there's still some question's around the whole thing.

    Firstly, the margins of error are very fine. Literally, there is no way an on-field call would be able tell the difference between a 15 degrees straigthening or 16/17 degrees one with the naked eye so even if he does get cleared and bowls every single ball at say 14 degrees, I'd imagine the same umpires would call him again.

    This also reiterates a point made by Hafeez (and others) before that unless every bowler is tested, any bowler being selected by an on-field umpire is unfairly being targeted (unless it's balatant but people like that would be filtered out well before making it to professional level).

    This also sheds some light on the testing methods, some of which have remained a mystery ever since the ICC decided to change the providers of the 'chucking test'.
    Agreed. Good post. I’d love to know the procedures they have and whether they are independently verified to analyse 14 degrees, 15 degrees or 16 degrees. Whilst hafeez is at the end of his career it would be amazing to think that a young up and coming off spinner can have his career cut short through testing procedures that are not robust or transparent.

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    He's a shamless serial cheat who needs to be shamed by the Pakistani media, but instead they all lobby for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Oh no. Never seen a circus like this before.

    Hafeez will hold on and only bring back his illegal action in T20 world cup when it will be quite effective. Who cares about spirt of the game.

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    Great! We need his bowling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corridor of Uncertainty View Post
    Oh no. Never seen a circus like this before.

    Hafeez will hold on and only bring back his illegal action in T20 world cup when it will be quite effective. Who cares about spirt of the game.
    And you have to make up stuff and lie to make your point.

    How do you know that?

    As long as he bowls legally, I'm good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corridor of Uncertainty View Post
    Oh no. Never seen a circus like this before.

    Hafeez will hold on and only bring back his illegal action in T20 world cup when it will be quite effective. Who cares about spirt of the game.
    Inshallah

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    Iím baffled as how someone gets called out for throwing , yet passes these tests?

    What did Saeed Ajmal do wrong in these tests that the professor always gets cleared?

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    World proven all rounder.. he meant to say “world proven in all facets” ... this guy will indulge in self praise every time Without blinking an eye absolute cringe


    Waiting for the day when there will be no p....i player in a green shirt

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrous View Post
    Iím baffled as how someone gets called out for throwing , yet passes these tests?

    What did Saeed Ajmal do wrong in these tests that the professor always gets cleared?
    He got over confidence...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    And you have to make up stuff and lie to make your point.

    How do you know that?

    As long as he bowls legally, I'm good.
    We all know you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, but as a matter of fact this is your speciality. Take a look in the mirror before accusing others of dishonesty.

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    Now Hafeez perfectly fits in WT20 XI for Pakistan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrous View Post
    I’m baffled as how someone gets called out for throwing , yet passes these tests?

    What did Saeed Ajmal do wrong in these tests that the professor always gets cleared?
    What can happen is that they bowl differently when being tested compared with a match situation.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    What can happen is that they bowl differently when being tested compared with a match situation.
    Lol, the ICC is on to that now, they specifically demand in the bowling tests that you bowl with the same specific action that you were reported for, they even use video footage to confirm whether you are using the same action or not.

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    Like itís often said he is only ever marginally over the 15 degrees. This must mean heís bowling between 14-16 degrees. How the naked eye can tell the difference in a match situation is beyond me. When they put him into a test situation heís obviously watchful and bowls conservatively. Iím happy to see him in the T20 team. Itís not his fault that in the 10 years or so that heís been a regular that we havenít been able to find an adequate replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Lol, the ICC is on to that now, they specifically demand in the bowling tests that you bowl with the same specific action that you were reported for, they even use video footage to confirm whether you are using the same action or not.
    Virtually impossible to enforce though.



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    Good to see. We will need the youngster for the T20 WC this year and the 50 over WC in 2023.

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    Man this gives Misbah a reason to select him in all 3 formats for the next 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirpur express View Post
    World proven all rounder.. he meant to say ďworld proven in all facetsĒ ... this guy will indulge in self praise every time Without blinking an eye absolute cringe
    Just in time for the PSL too, hafeez must be licking his lips at the potential contracts he will get to sign
    This dude must have the most illegal action in pakistani history


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    They don’t call him the professor for nothing ��

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    He's a rubbish bowler now anyways.

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    Icc should ban permanently a bowler who has been reported thrice.
    No further tests

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    Hafeez is extremely cunning guy and he chucks deliberately.

    First, let me clear one thing first - bent elbow is not chucking. A bowler can bowl even with 30 degree bent elbow, as long as he doesn't use his elbow to generate power & torque (that means, straightening the bent elbow - ICC has set a maximum limit of 15 degree). The fundamental of bowling, is that the power will come from shoulder, not elbow - that's why it's called "Bowling", not "balling" or pitching like baseball. A baseball pitcher uses his shoulders and elbow to generate pace, but a bowler can use his shoulders and wrists.

    There are two types of chuckers - one group has chucking (read, straightening elbow over 15 degree) built in their bowling action. They have to remodel their action to correct that and often it results into loss of quality/pace. For example, Al Amin was clocking 140K+ with his complex action (which was judged to be illegal) - he went back to nets, worked with his trainers and came back with corrected action.... but lost his pace considerably. For spinner's version, Ajmal, lost his mojo completely once he had to remodel his action. The other type of chuckers are difficult to catch, because chucking isn't built in their action, rather they deliberately use it for an added advantage. Hafeez is in this category.

    If anyone analyzes Hafeez's bowling, he'll find that he doesn't spin much, rather he is a tight darter who can really pin down left-handers bowling round the wicket. His strength is not his turn, loop or flight, rather variation of speed and accuracy (plus, his bowling intelligence which is common for every action), which he achieves by the last minute push through the air (using elbow, by straightening from bent arm). He can bowl perfectly legal delivery but I doubt his legal off-spin will be any better than Asad's offie.


    Now, how he gets caught so many times on field and returns back every time after "correction"? Only explanation is that, he never had anything to correct - his bowling action will pass the test every time. It's that his use of elbow during match condition that has been called four or five times now by different umpires and all of them can't be wrong, neither biased. I understand, during test they ask the bowler to replicate his match condition action (for which he was caught) - that can be applicable for Ojha, Al Amin, Ajmal or Narine, because their action was flawed. What Hafeez does is, during Test condition, he doesn't use the elbow for that added speed & accuracy.

    Hafeez had a career economy of <4, which is outstanding at any scale - his advantage is that during test condition, there is no batsman batting against him, for that he doesn't go for 6-7 runs/over with a legal action that'll pass every time. This is an unique situation and ICC can't do much here either apart for banning him time to time and then clear him after "remodeling" his action. He has gone through 4 such remodels and I am waiting to see the 5th one - there has never been any significant change in his action despite going through so many remodels, because the guy doesn't need to change his action to pass the assessment, rather just needs to stop using power from elbow.

    If he keeps playing for 2-3 more years for PAK as "all-rounder", I am sure this is not his last call for "remodeling action" - he'll be called again when his bowling will be required to keep him in PAK colors.

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    The earlier poster in this thread was right, this is a circus.

    Ringmaster Hafeez has found a way to game the system, and the ICC testing process is creating great entertainment, as a circus should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Hafeez is extremely cunning guy and he chucks deliberately.

    First, let me clear one thing first - bent elbow is not chucking. A bowler can bowl even with 30 degree bent elbow, as long as he doesn't use his elbow to generate power & torque (that means, straightening the bent elbow - ICC has set a maximum limit of 15 degree). The fundamental of bowling, is that the power will come from shoulder, not elbow - that's why it's called "Bowling", not "balling" or pitching like baseball. A baseball pitcher uses his shoulders and elbow to generate pace, but a bowler can use his shoulders and wrists.

    There are two types of chuckers - one group has chucking (read, straightening elbow over 15 degree) built in their bowling action. They have to remodel their action to correct that and often it results into loss of quality/pace. For example, Al Amin was clocking 140K+ with his complex action (which was judged to be illegal) - he went back to nets, worked with his trainers and came back with corrected action.... but lost his pace considerably. For spinner's version, Ajmal, lost his mojo completely once he had to remodel his action. The other type of chuckers are difficult to catch, because chucking isn't built in their action, rather they deliberately use it for an added advantage. Hafeez is in this category.

    If anyone analyzes Hafeez's bowling, he'll find that he doesn't spin much, rather he is a tight darter who can really pin down left-handers bowling round the wicket. His strength is not his turn, loop or flight, rather variation of speed and accuracy (plus, his bowling intelligence which is common for every action), which he achieves by the last minute push through the air (using elbow, by straightening from bent arm). He can bowl perfectly legal delivery but I doubt his legal off-spin will be any better than Asad's offie.


    Now, how he gets caught so many times on field and returns back every time after "correction"? Only explanation is that, he never had anything to correct - his bowling action will pass the test every time. It's that his use of elbow during match condition that has been called four or five times now by different umpires and all of them can't be wrong, neither biased. I understand, during test they ask the bowler to replicate his match condition action (for which he was caught) - that can be applicable for Ojha, Al Amin, Ajmal or Narine, because their action was flawed. What Hafeez does is, during Test condition, he doesn't use the elbow for that added speed & accuracy.

    Hafeez had a career economy of <4, which is outstanding at any scale - his advantage is that during test condition, there is no batsman batting against him, for that he doesn't go for 6-7 runs/over with a legal action that'll pass every time. This is an unique situation and ICC can't do much here either apart for banning him time to time and then clear him after "remodeling" his action. He has gone through 4 such remodels and I am waiting to see the 5th one - there has never been any significant change in his action despite going through so many remodels, because the guy doesn't need to change his action to pass the assessment, rather just needs to stop using power from elbow.

    If he keeps playing for 2-3 more years for PAK as "all-rounder", I am sure this is not his last call for "remodeling action" - he'll be called again when his bowling will be required to keep him in PAK colors.
    You make a lot of generalised statements without being specific if hafeez actually straightens his arm more than 15 degrees.

    Nobody can tell this with the naked eye Nobody can rightfully discern the difference between 14-16 degrees. Just because he darts the odd ball doesnít necessarily mean that those balls are chucked. All bowlers rely on variations of speed. This isnít a crime. I donít know why people have to malign hafeez by bringing ajmal into the conversation. Ajmal was blatant more like 40 degrees.

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    I see the wrist slitting has already started.

    Don't we love to hate on players. We sure do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    I see the wrist slitting has already started.

    Don't we love to hate on players. We sure do.
    I thought you were anti-chuckers. Don't tell me that it's a coincidence that he's been banned multiple times.

    The whole procedure is a farce. The first time you're caught chucking, you're suspended for a while. The next time, you're free to take a test at any time and 'clear it' and resume. Hilarious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    I thought you were anti-chuckers. Don't tell me that it's a coincidence that he's been banned multiple times.

    The whole procedure is a farce. The first time you're caught chucking, you're suspended for a while. The next time, you're free to take a test at any time and 'clear it' and resume. Hilarious.
    Yes, definitely against it. Ideally should've stayed away from bowling. But now he's cleared what else we can do.

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    Heís cracked the system

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    Pakistan all-rounder Mohammad Hafeez has been cleared to bowl again in England after his action was reported following a T20 Blast game last summer.

    The 39-year-old off-spinner was reported after playing for Middlesex against Somerset at Taunton in August.

    And Hafeez was subsequently banned from bowling after a Bowling Review Group hearing at Lord's.

    His action, though, has now passed an independent assessment and he can bowl again in all competitions in England.

    However, he does not, as yet, have a contract with a county for the 2020 season.

    Hafeez made four T20 appearances for Middlesex last summer, taking two wickets and hitting 115 runs, with a highest score of 48.

    The suspension only applied to England and Wales Cricket Board competitions, and he subsequently bowled in the Caribbean Premier League, Pakistan's domestic T20 competition and the Qatar T10 League.

    The assessment of his re-modelled action was carried out at a testing centre in Lahore and it was found he no longer exceeded the permitted 15-degree elbow extension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abid Z View Post
    You make a lot of generalised statements without being specific if hafeez actually straightens his arm more than 15 degrees.

    Nobody can tell this with the naked eye Nobody can rightfully discern the difference between 14-16 degrees. Just because he darts the odd ball doesnít necessarily mean that those balls are chucked. All bowlers rely on variations of speed. This isnít a crime. I donít know why people have to malign hafeez by bringing ajmal into the conversation. Ajmal was blatant more like 40 degrees.
    Not everything in life needs a measuring tape - I have been watching, following this game long enough to know exactly what he is doing. It canít happen that this guy has been called by different umpires at different places four/five times.

    No, varying pace is not a crime and I didnít say that either - what is in question is how he achieves that. Ajmal got banned for chucking but that guy at least had the shame of it and tried to rectify which didnít work. This guy Hafeez is absolute shameless individual who has been caught four/five times now and youíll notice that he is often caught when his batting isnít enough to justify his spot in PAK team.

    15 degree is just a limit, set by ICC to avoid controversial calls - they wanted to keep it measurable so that there is a standard. In olden days, there was no such rule, still umpires could identify chickens from observing the action from close; only that often they (& their employers) didnít have the courage to call a bowler for chucking. 15 degree rule has restored confidence in umpires hence this guy Hafeez is caught five times & heĎll be caught again in future.

    ICC canít ban him for life without changing the rule and guy also knows that - he will keep doing it for rest of his career. A bowler being called five times should have been enough to know what is going on here, but he indeed passed the reassessment every time - that itself suggests he is well aware of what he is doing.

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    Shouldnt be picked again.. hes over 40 and his ship has sailed.

    Dont need this type of influence on future players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Not everything in life needs a measuring tape - I have been watching, following this game long enough to know exactly what he is doing. It can’t happen that this guy has been called by different umpires at different places four/five times.

    No, varying pace is not a crime and I didn’t say that either - what is in question is how he achieves that. Ajmal got banned for chucking but that guy at least had the shame of it and tried to rectify which didn’t work. This guy Hafeez is absolute shameless individual who has been caught four/five times now and you’ll notice that he is often caught when his batting isn’t enough to justify his spot in PAK team.

    15 degree is just a limit, set by ICC to avoid controversial calls - they wanted to keep it measurable so that there is a standard. In olden days, there was no such rule, still umpires could identify chickens from observing the action from close; only that often they (& their employers) didn’t have the courage to call a bowler for chucking. 15 degree rule has restored confidence in umpires hence this guy Hafeez is caught five times & he‘ll be caught again in future.

    ICC can’t ban him for life without changing the rule and guy also knows that - he will keep doing it for rest of his career. A bowler being called five times should have been enough to know what is going on here, but he indeed passed the reassessment every time - that itself suggests he is well aware of what he is doing.
    Should make a rule if u get called out a certain amount of times, you should be banned from bowling.

    It will set a precedent for the future players, this way they wont abuse the loophole like hafeez

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    Although i like Hafeez as a player, i think this is not good for Cricket, Pakistan Cricket or Hafeez.

    Hafeez is not that kind of a bowler that uses the extra bend in his arm for extra spin or speed. Afterall he is neither among those who spin the ball most or bowels fast darts.
    I remember I was surprised when he was reported the first time.

    The way Hafeez has been reported several times but still able to make so many comebacks is destroying the credibility of the system and reputation of Cricket, Pakistan Cricket and Hafeez own legacy.

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    They don't call him professor for no reason . The guy studies the game and finds loophole so he can remain somewhat relevant for as long as he can and represent team green. ICC definitely need to make an adjustment to their rule and it should be as simple as this:

    Caught Chucking 1st instance - Banned for 1 year
    Caught Chucking 2nd instance - Banned for 3 years
    Caught Chucking 3rd instance - Banned for life from bowling

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    Good for Lahore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    And you have to make up stuff and lie to make your point.

    How do you know that?

    As long as he bowls legally, I'm good.
    If you can't attack the argument, attack the person.

    That's just weak.

    There is countless evidence of Hafeez chucking at big moments in tournaments. Just go back to countless discussions on it in this very forum.

    But aside from all that, there is just a disproportional preponderance of chuckers, cheaters, fixers, age fudgers, endless briyani eaters, TV ranters and brainless fornicators in Pakistani team.

    A cleanup is long overdue.

    Otherwise, a circus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    I see the wrist slitting has already started.

    Don't we love to hate on players. We sure do.
    Your hero is selecting a known cheat. Have some shame.


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