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    Is Akhtar speaking of similar kind of treatment that Akhtar believe he never received, ďMujay Star nahi banaiaĒ, still trying to figure out what else needed for him to believe he was a star? Bent over side way for him?

    Initially followed his YouTube but have Unsubscribed due to display of narcissistic personality in each video.

    On Kaneria, Iím sure many have tried to influence him to convert.
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    A lot of beans spilled by Shoaib and Asim about regional bias and how a certain group will always take average players and try to turn them in to legends. Case in point: Kami, Junior, Shehzad, Malik, Hafeez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shariqnoor View Post
    This is exactly like when women who are harassed talks about it after 15 years and the privileged segment of the society comments "it took them 15 years to remember. Why didn't they talk about it at that time?"

    Completely up to the victim to come up whenever they feel they are ready to come out. We are no one to question their intentions. If Kaneria faced all this as Shoaib says, then we as a society should hang our heads in shame.
    Thank you.....so we'll put always the victims fault

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy0204 View Post
    If I remember Only 2 Hindus played in Pakistan squad in their entire cricket history,
    One was Anil Dalpat another was Danish Kaneria.
    Uncle and nephew. And the uncle was an awful keeper

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    Shoaib will throw whatever rubbish comes out of his mouth to get some attention and some easy money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Firstly, there is a big difference between getting superstar status and getting due respect.

    No one is saying that Kaneria should have been a superstar and should have been an icon of Pakistan cricket. After all, he was a Test specialist and wasnít charismatic so it is understandable that he didnít have a significant fan following.

    The comparisons of Misbah and Younis have no relevance with relation to Kaneria.

    Misbah became a villainous figure for many people because of the Mohali performance and the subsequent tuk tuk culture under his captaincy.

    Younis is not disliked or disrespected by the general public. Yes he is not a star like Afridi of Akhtar, but he is generally admired because of his record in Test cricket. He is criticized only by a small section of ardent fans who are aware of his antics and behavior.

    Kaneria was one of the least controversial players in the team during his playing career. Unfortunately, many people disliked him simply because he was a Hindu. If he wasnít a Hindu, he would not be a superstar but he would definitely have been more popular than he is now.

    Sadly, it is a reflection of our intolerant society.
    Danish Kaneria should have been kicked out of the team a long time before 2010, but was preferred by Inzi time and again. Some of his performances, when he was supposed to be our trump card, were diabolical. Run your mind back to the 2006 tour of England, where he averaged around 50, and got massacred even though the bloke was supposed to carry a weak bowling attack.

    Heck, Inzi somehow ended up getting him selected for the World Cup in 2007, where he inevitably underperformed. He was never an LOI spinner, and he was constantly forced down our throats by Inzi and Woolmer.

    There is no proof whatsoever that Kaneria was disliked for the vile reasons you are parrotting here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasimjunior View Post
    Mamoon is talking some serious drivel here.
    He is just trying to get some browny points on an online forum. Its really sad that someone has to act in this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    and his involvement in fixing maybe, I dunno.
    Fixing and getting involved in fixing is not a big deal for Pakistani fans. You see the adulation Amir gets. @Mamoon has a point here.

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    Kaneria under appreciated? No chance. He was appreciated in Pakistan according to his skill level - which was good but not great. I remember discussions with my friends about how he will probably get a fifer, but for 230 runs for Inzi. His religion was never an issue in his assessment as a cricketer in Pakistan. Total **.

    However, wherever Shoaibís intentions are, it is good he has brought forward an issue of Muslims and Hindus/Christians eating together in Pakistan. I do believe it has truth.

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    Could be true. I remember the tableeghi culture of that team where even Shoaib was under pressure to grow a beard. There will always be some players in that team who would be intolerant to a non Muslim.


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    Loving the fact Akhtar is getting success, money, even more fame and most importantly under people's skin even after retirement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corridor of Uncertainty View Post
    Kaneria under appreciated? No chance. He was appreciated in Pakistan according to his skill level - which was good but not great. I remember discussions with my friends about how he will probably get a fifer, but for 230 runs for Inzi. His religion was never an issue in his assessment as a cricketer in Pakistan. Total **.

    However, wherever Shoaibís intentions are, it is good he has brought forward an issue of Muslims and Hindus/Christians eating together in Pakistan. I do believe it has truth.
    I haven't seen a spin bowler since him even LOOK like winning tests in Australia. Kaneria used to make enough chances to win 1.5 games but Kami would miss them all.

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    Danesh was one of the best spinners ever. A world class talent. He should be a staple of most Pakistan XI teams, but religion was the reason for constant segregation.

    Kaneria was a fixer after the fact, he was never given much respect when he was in the prime of his career and was also stuck with the Akmal curse of dropped catches.

    Other players have cheated and come back and gotten the backing of PCB, but Kaneria was thrown to the wolves with no protection whatsoever. That isn't to say he should not be given the ban and all, but there is definitely a lot of favoritism towards some and not others, and to say religion is not a big part of it would be dishonest.

    I honestly wonder what his living conditions are now.

    We as Muslims are to give love and respect to all, even if they have a different belief system than our own. It is sad to see any non-Muslim who has to struggle so much. We are all creatures of the same Allah and should give respect as such.

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    'Life not in good shape, need help', ex-Pakistan skipper Danish Kaneria reaches out to PM Imran Khan


    Having opened up over his treatment in the Pakistan national team during the playing days, former spinner Danish Kaneria has made a plea to the Prime Minister of the country, Imran Khan, to help him in this hour of need. Suggesting that his life is not in 'good shape', Kaneria has sought help from the cricket administration of Pakistan too.

    "My life is not in good shape and I approached many individuals in Pakistan and around the world to resolve my issues. Yet, I have not received any help. Issues of many cricketers of Pakistan have been resolved though. I gave everything possible for Pakistan as a cricketer and I am very proud of it. And in the hour of need I am positive that the people of Pakistan will help," Kaneria said.

    "I need support from all legendary players of Pakistan including Honourable Prime Minister Imran Khan, cricket administrators of Pakistan and other countries to get me out the mess. Please come forward and help me out," he added.

    While it is not yet clear as to what the exact situation is with Kaneria, the former cricketer seems to be in a desperate need of help.

    Earlier, Kaneria had reacted to former pacer Shoaib Akhtar's claims that the former wasn't treated well within the team for being a Hindu. The ex-spinner admitted that the claims were true and he is soon going to reveal the names of the players who treated him differently because of his religion.

    https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/...an-khan/532281

    Not sure about the ex-skipper bit

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    Danish Kaneria Thanks Shoaib Akhtar For "Telling Truth", Asks Pakistan PM To "Get Me Out The Mess"


    Danish Kaneria has said that Shoaib Akhtar's comments -- about the leg-spinner being discriminated within the Pakistan cricket team during their playing days because he was a Hindu -- is true. He, however, has urged people not to politicise the issue. In a statement, Danish Kaneria has also revealed that his life is "not in a good shape" and urged Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan and "other countries" to get him "out of the mess". "Today, I saw the interview of the legendary bowler Shoaib Akhtar. I personally thank him for telling the truth. At the same time, I am grateful to all the players who supported me wholeheartedly as a cricketer. Also thankful to media, genuine cricket administrators, and citizens of Pakistan who supported me regardless of my religious affiliation," he said.

    In an interview on PTV's show titled "Game on Hai", Shoaib Akhtar alleged that there were many who did not want Kaneria to be part of the Pakistan team because of his Hindu faith and that the spinner was never given due credit for his performances and was constantly humiliated by his teammates. Akhtar even said that some players even refused to partake food with Kaneria.

    Kaneria, who played for Pakistan between 2000 and 2010, is only the second Hindu player to play for Pakistan, the other being Anil Dalpat, incidentally Kaneria's uncle, was a wicketkeeper who played in the 1980s.

    "There were certain elements in the society who opposed. However, the opposition could not sustain against the people who loved me. I always remained positive in life and ignored such opposition," the leg-spinner said.

    The 39-year-old, who was suspended from cricket in 2012 for fixing allegations, further said that he approached many individuals in Pakistan to get his issues resolved, but his efforts went in vain.

    "At the same time, my life is not in a good shape and I approached many individuals in Pakistan and around the world to resolve my issues. Yet, I have not received any help. Issues of many cricketers of Pakistan have been resolved though."

    "I gave everything possible for Pakistan as a cricketer and I am very proud of it. And in the hour of need I am positive that the people of Pakistan will help me.

    "I need support from all legendary players of Pakistan including honourable Prime Minister Imran Khan, cricket administrators of Pakistan and other countries to get me out of the mess. Please come forward and help me out."

    Kaneria is fourth in the list of bowlers who have taken most Test wickets for Pakistan, behind only fast bowlers Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, and Imran Khan. With 261 wickets in 62 Tests, the leggie remains one of Pakistan's best spinners in recent times.

    https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/dani...e-mess-2155031

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Danish Kaneria should have been kicked out of the team a long time before 2010, but was preferred by Inzi time and again. Some of his performances, when he was supposed to be our trump card, were diabolical. Run your mind back to the 2006 tour of England, where he averaged around 50, and got massacred even though the bloke was supposed to carry a weak bowling attack.

    Heck, Inzi somehow ended up getting him selected for the World Cup in 2007, where he inevitably underperformed. He was never an LOI spinner, and he was constantly forced down our throats by Inzi and Woolmer.

    There is no proof whatsoever that Kaneria was disliked for the vile reasons you are parrotting here.
    Kaneria was a key component of our wins in the 2000s. He helped beat South Africa in 2003, England in 2005, helped beat India in Bangalore and also produced some quality spells in countries like Australia and even New Zealand. He was 100 times better than Yasir and Ajmal in Australia.

    He was actually misused by Inzamam and Woolmer. They ran him into the ground and should have partnered him with a specialist spinner instead of forcing Malik and Afridi into the Test team. Not to mention no bowler has suffered more due to poor keeping than he did.

    He was no Warne but he was far better than what some think. Clearly better than Yasir and Ajmal (Tests). I remember in Sri Lanka in 2009, he was dropped for Ajmal in the first Test who was really poor, and then he came in the second Test and took a 6 wicket haul.

    He was very unlucky to miss out on the UAE era. He would have formed a lethal combo with Ajmal.

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    3 Khans spoke about intolerence in India and they were called anti nationals, endorsements taken away and slogans of them going to Pakistan. They are now absoutely mum about the current suitation. They are scared and have to prove their loyalty, Aamir Khan had to step up a pani foundation to prove his love for his country
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    Good to see Pakistan doesn't have the same problem. Celebs can say whatever they want

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    This thread is a sad reflection of our society.

    - Kaneria was mediocre and should have been dropped earlier

    - He is a fixer

    - Akhtar is catering to his Indian audience etc.

    But very few are willing to admit that minorities are discriminated in Pakistan and it is a real issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    This thread is a sad reflection of our society.

    - Kaneria was mediocre and should have been dropped earlier

    - He is a fixer

    - Akhtar is catering to his Indian audience etc.

    But very few are willing to admit that minorities are discriminated in Pakistan and it is a real issue.
    It is kind of embarrassing that Danish Kaneria has been persisted throughout the career overrode Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmad, and even kept Saeed Ajmal at bay for years.

    Then Danish Kaneria committed spot fixing and got caught. Then ECB ended his career and made the living example of him.

    Pakistani Awaam wasnít exception with trio either except Amir got lucky because of his age, and then he did the crime and came back.

    If anything, it is Pakistani Awaam that has been betrayed here. They feel discriminated for supporting Danish Kaneria despite of his religion and despite the legends like Saqlain and Mushtaq, yet the Awaam supported him over them and instead they got betrayed much like trio spot fixing.

    There is no discrimination here. If Danish Kaneria was playing for India, you could argue that he could have gotten the treatment of Sachin Tendulkar or Mohammad Azharuddin.

    In Danish Kaneriaís case, it was ECB sealed his fate as similar to the fate of Kevin Peiterson.

    There is no place for treason. And we cannot allow him to come back at the risk of sounding racist because that would be discriminatory.
    Last edited by mgtow; 27th December 2019 at 12:46.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    This thread is a sad reflection of our society.

    - Kaneria was mediocre and should have been dropped earlier

    - He is a fixer

    - Akhtar is catering to his Indian audience etc.

    But very few are willing to admit that minorities are discriminated in Pakistan and it is a real issue.
    Literally most people on the thread are saying minorities donít have it easy in Pakistan and are discriminated. They are just saying Kanerias cricket career did not suffer due this discrimination eventhough it probably did happen subtly. Literally no one has said minorities are not discriminated in Pakistan.

    Are you unable to read or are you just ignoring those posts?

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    Minorities are discriminated in india and pakistan and at the moment at state level in india. Nothing new.


    It is either a heartache or a headache ..Argh relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Kaneria was a key component of our wins in the 2000s. He helped beat South Africa in 2003, England in 2005, helped beat India in Bangalore and also produced some quality spells in countries like Australia and even New Zealand. He was 100 times better than Yasir and Ajmal in Australia.

    He was actually misused by Inzamam and Woolmer. They ran him into the ground and should have partnered him with a specialist spinner instead of forcing Malik and Afridi into the Test team. Not to mention no bowler has suffered more due to poor keeping than he did.

    He was no Warne but he was far better than what some think. Clearly better than Yasir and Ajmal (Tests). I remember in Sri Lanka in 2009, he was dropped for Ajmal in the first Test who was really poor, and then he came in the second Test and took a 6 wicket haul.

    He was very unlucky to miss out on the UAE era. He would have formed a lethal combo with Ajmal.
    Yes, one or two tours. Yasir has been more of a match-winner than Kaneria, while Ajmal was on a whole other level, specially in LOI cricket. Yeah I agree he was unlucky to miss out on the UAE era, but do keep in mind his style of bowling might not have been conducive to the UAE wickets, so while he would definitely have boosted his stats, he wouldn't have been as effective as Yasir. While Yasir relies more on side-spin and thrives on the low bounce, Kaneria had a lethal stock ball, but relied on over-spin and bounce. Which is why his numbers are better than Yasir in Australia. Kaneria was as inconsistent as Yasir has been overseas in terms of length. Atleast Yasir did exceptionally well on the 2016 England tour, while I don't remember any exceptional overseas performance by Kaneria.

    Ajmal replaced Kaneria for good in 2010 England tour I believe, when the latter looked toothless. At the time, everyone wanted Kaneria gone. He was essentially deemed replaceable in our eyes EVEN BEFORE the match-fixing allegations. And it certainly was not because he was a Hindu. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about here.

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    This guy talks rubbish for a living and seeks constant attention. If Danish was treated indifferently because he was a Hindu then he wouldn't have been picked in the first place! Especially considering how hard it is to get selected for the Pakistani National team

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    The trouble with a story like this is that whilst the issue of minority discrimination is real and must be addressed, you've got two unreliable narrators.

    One is a shameless self-promoting charlatan who never resists the opportunity to show himself in the best possible light. The other is a match-fixer who denied the offence for years and claimed to be a victim of religious persecution, only to finally admit his offence years later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    It's taken them 14 years to remember this. Interesting.
    Does that make it false?

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    Instead of acknowledging the problem of intolerance towards others face, may be we are right in thinking Danish Kaneria wants to seek attention and is doing so in collusion with Shoaib Akhtar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leg-side-flick View Post
    Does that make it false?
    Does that make it true?, my opinion is keniria was always comfortable in the set up , and I certainly don't believe that religious prejudice was directed at him as if this was the issue then why select him

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    I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be pre planned, considering the civil war happening in India right now.

    Irrespective of the fact whether it happened or not, Shoaib Akhtar is a disgrace on the name of Pakistan. He can do anything to increase his subscribers and views.

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    Cricketer-turned-politician Gautam Gambhir, on Friday, slammed Pakistan for ill-treating its former spinner Danish Kaneria. The law-maker commented on the matter after place legend Shoaib Akhtar made a revelation regarding the treatment faced by Kaneria in the Pakistan dressing room.

    Gambhir said this is the real face of Pakistan and it is a shame that a player who has represented the country in so many matches had to go through this.

    “This is the actual face of Pakistan. We had Mohammad Azharuddin as captain of our side and he captained us in 80-90 Test matches. This shows the reality of Pakistan, they have a sportsman (Imran Khan) as their Prime Minister, still, people in their country have to go through this. Kaneria played 60 matches for Pakistan, and it is shameful,” Gambhir said.

    Following the revelation made by Akhtar, Kaneria soon released a statement, urging the Pakistan Prime Minister to help him in the current scenario.

    “My life is not in good shape and I approached many individuals in Pakistan and around the world to resolve my issues. Yet, I have not received any help. Issues of many cricketers of Pakistan have been resolved though. I gave everything possible for Pakistan as a cricketer and I am very proud of it. And in the hour of need, I am positive that the people of Pakistan will help,” Kaneria had said.

    “I need support from all legendary players of Pakistan including Prime Minister Imran Khan, cricket administrators of Pakistan and other countries to get me out the mess. Please come forward and help me out,” Kaneria's statement read.

    The 39-year-old Kaneria had played 61 Tests for Pakistan and is the second Hindu to feature in the Pakistani cricket team after Anil Dalpat.

    https://english.wahcricket.com/news/...ria-row-139499


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Cricketer-turned-politician Gautam Gambhir, on Friday, slammed Pakistan for ill-treating its former spinner Danish Kaneria. The law-maker commented on the matter after place legend Shoaib Akhtar made a revelation regarding the treatment faced by Kaneria in the Pakistan dressing room.

    Gambhir said this is the real face of Pakistan and it is a shame that a player who has represented the country in so many matches had to go through this.

    “This is the actual face of Pakistan. We had Mohammad Azharuddin as captain of our side and he captained us in 80-90 Test matches. This shows the reality of Pakistan, they have a sportsman (Imran Khan) as their Prime Minister, still, people in their country have to go through this. Kaneria played 60 matches for Pakistan, and it is shameful,” Gambhir said.

    Following the revelation made by Akhtar, Kaneria soon released a statement, urging the Pakistan Prime Minister to help him in the current scenario.

    “My life is not in good shape and I approached many individuals in Pakistan and around the world to resolve my issues. Yet, I have not received any help. Issues of many cricketers of Pakistan have been resolved though. I gave everything possible for Pakistan as a cricketer and I am very proud of it. And in the hour of need, I am positive that the people of Pakistan will help,” Kaneria had said.

    “I need support from all legendary players of Pakistan including Prime Minister Imran Khan, cricket administrators of Pakistan and other countries to get me out the mess. Please come forward and help me out,” Kaneria's statement read.

    The 39-year-old Kaneria had played 61 Tests for Pakistan and is the second Hindu to feature in the Pakistani cricket team after Anil Dalpat.

    https://english.wahcricket.com/news/...ria-row-139499
    The PCB should order an inquiry and nail the culprits if its true. The fact that there are only 5 players that were regular players who could have done it should make the job easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leg-side-flick View Post
    Does that make it false?
    Does it make it true?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    The PCB should order an inquiry and nail the culprits if its true. The fact that there are only 5 players that were regular players who could have done it should make the job easier.
    I am not sure if you could do that in a "he said she said" scenario. You need evidence to prove these things right? Of course, nobody is going to admit they did it. Danish needs 3 or 4 people who can corroborate his statement. It might have actually happened. We already have been talking about casual racism, colorism (eg. sarfraz, shaheen).

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    Afridi wrote about someone ( great batsman ) organizing a coup against Younis Khan. Pakistan team is known for impulsive, narcissistic individuals in the dressing room. A reason why so many infights happened over the years. Nothing is beyond the capabilities of these players.

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    Not to dismiss the claims of discrimination entirely, because there is definitely the potential for this to happen, but I donít see it in Kaneriaís case - he was backed to the hilt, and played a lot of Tests despite sometimes proving ineffective in big games.

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    Players of Shoaib Akhtar and Danish Kaneria’s Time Should Respond to Religious Discrimination Charges: PCB

    The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has strayed away from the Danish Kaneria row since Pakistan pace legend Shoaib Akhtar revealed about Kaneria being ill-treated by his fellow players for being a Hindu. The PCB said that they cannot be answerable for the allegation.

    Akhtar triggered a controversy when he said that Kaneria was humiliated by some players because he was a Hindu, was not given due credit and some even refused to eat food with him because of his faith.

    Former spinner Kaneria, who is serving a life ban for his involvement in the spot-fixing scandal since 2012, too admitted that Akhtar’s statement was true and he would soon reveal names of the players who mistreated him because of his religion.

    “Shoaib Akhtar has always been very blunt. I did not have the courage to speak about it but Shoaib bhai spoke about. I am proud that I have played for Pakistan and I have achieved so much against all the odds,” Danish said.

    “But I would like to add that Inzamam-ul-Haq, Mohammad Yousuf (formerly Yousuf Youhan),Younis Khan and Shoaib Akhtar always supported me for my cricketing abilities. I had never had any issues from their sides. I would like to clear this thing.”

    A PCB official, on the condition of anonymity, said that Akhtar and Kaneria are free to voice their opinion since they are not contracted players anymore. “Look both Akhtar and Kaneria are retired players they are not contracted to us so they can do or say what they want. It is their opinion. And they are making allegations about behaviour of some players not about the entire Pakistan cricket set-up or board,” a Board spokesperson said.

    “Inzamam-ul-Haq, Rashid Latif, Younis Khan, Mohammad Yousuf, all these guys captained Pakistan when Kaneria was playing. They should respond to what Akhtar and Kaneria are saying. Why should the board get involved?” he questioned.

    Akhtar and Kaneria got the support of former Test players Iqbal Qasim and Mohsin Khan. “If some players have mistreated Kaneria only because of his religion than they must be exposed,” Qasim said.

    “A player should only be judged on his cricketing ability and commitments to the team not his religion, colour or creed,” added former Test opener Mohsin Khan.

    https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...ges-pcb-910541

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Afridi wrote about someone ( great batsman ) organizing a coup against Younis Khan. Pakistan team is known for impulsive, narcissistic individuals in the dressing room. A reason why so many infights happened over the years. Nothing is beyond the capabilities of these players.
    Every team when going through a rough spell can form infighting in pockets, shoaib a loud mouth of a commentator and when in a such previlage he used to be in the field he was a complete disgrace as a professional and in a team environment, kaneria was comfortable in the set up and through that he got a luxurious county contract WHERE UNFORTUNATELY HE DISGRACED HIMSELF

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    Interesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Manunited18 View Post
    Every team when going through a rough spell can form infighting in pockets, shoaib a loud mouth of a commentator and when in a such previlage he used to be in the field he was a complete disgrace as a professional and in a team environment, kaneria was comfortable in the set up and through that he got a luxurious county contract WHERE UNFORTUNATELY HE DISGRACED HIMSELF
    These are highly sensitive things that generally don't come out immediately. We are talking about good 12 to 14 years back. Pakistan had factions there were a lot of fractions. A lot of hot-headed individuals Akhtar being one among them. But even as much as a narcissist he is, i am not sure he would make up a complete utter lie to gain attention given that it can totally backfire on him. Now that Kaneria admits to that and also explains how he was able to get through that. Basically few have discriminated him. Few supported him. He got through with the help of those who supported him.

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    Totally agree with Gambhir. Our society would never accept a Hindu player captaining the team for a decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    I am not sure if you could do that in a "he said she said" scenario. You need evidence to prove these things right? Of course, nobody is going to admit they did it. Danish needs 3 or 4 people who can corroborate his statement. It might have actually happened. We already have been talking about casual racism, colorism (eg. sarfraz, shaheen).
    But Danish and SA surely have names and they need to be exposed. We would some idiot claiming that Danish was liked by PK fans( because he was a Hindu) , which I can tell you for fact wasn't true from the fans I know and look through the pages on here from the time and you will see that it wasn't true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    These are highly sensitive things that generally don't come out immediately. We are talking about good 12 to 14 years back. Pakistan had factions there were a lot of fractions. A lot of hot-headed individuals Akhtar being one among them. But even as much as a narcissist he is, i am not sure he would make up a complete utter lie to gain attention given that it can totally backfire on him. Now that Kaneria admits to that and also explains how he was able to get through that. Basically few have discriminated him. Few supported him. He got through with the help of those who supported him.
    The main players of that age were Inzi, MY, YK and Akhtar and they supported him. The other players were Kami, Sami, Gul, Butt, Asif and Razzaq. Danish needs to name names.

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    People in this thread are not upset at the issue of religious descrimination in Pakistan society being highlighted. Everyone knows it is a fact. People are jealous of the fact that Shoaib is getting the accolades and kuddos from the rest of the world for highlighting it. They would have preferred it to be someone else but him

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    Imagine the high-fiving, butt-slapping , seemingly happy Shami coming out 14 years from now alleging anti-muslim bias from the predominantly Hindu team. If he indulges in match fixing, gets caught and then when he has financial problems he starts speaking of prejudice after the rants of a former Hindu superstar (e.g. Kohli) to gain favour from the now wealthy and prosperous Pakistan. What would the Hindus in India think? Be honest. Now, reverse that imagined scenario and you'll have honest answers.

    I think I know how the reaction will be to this hypothetical Shami situation based on the denial of the real atrocities in Kashmir and rest of Muslim India.

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    Lol at Gambhir taking credit for Azharuddin when same Azharuddin was unceremoniously dumped from the Indian team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    The main players of that age were Inzi, MY, YK and Akhtar and they supported him. The other players were Kami, Sami, Gul, Butt, Asif and Razzaq. Danish needs to name names.
    These were the guys to play the most matches alongside Kaneria:

    Mohammad Yousuf 66
    Younis Khan 55
    Inzamam-ul-Haq 51
    Kamran Akmal 51
    Abdul Razzaq 45
    Shoaib Malik 44
    Mohammad Sami 39
    Imran Farhat 33
    Salman Butt 33
    Umar Gul 31
    Shoaib Akhtar 30
    Yasir Hameed 28
    Shahid Afridi 23
    Taufeeq Umar 22
    Faisal Iqbal 20
    Mohammad Asif 20

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    Shameful but expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Lol at Gambhir taking credit for Azharuddin when same Azharuddin was unceremoniously dumped from the Indian team.
    The same Gambhir who criticized him


    Last edited by MenInG; 27th December 2019 at 20:27.

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    Lessons need to be learned. Couldn't care less if it is Hindu, Muslim or Sikh that is captain of the Pakistan team as long as he is fit for the role.

    Pakistan should never go down the discriminatory and fascist route of India. And iA, it never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy0204 View Post
    The same Gambhir who criticized him

    lol, not surprising though, gambhir personifies hypocrisy.
    Last edited by MenInG; 27th December 2019 at 20:27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg111 View Post
    lol, not surprising though, gambhir personifies hypocrisy.
    No. He is a straight shooter. He has gone after every player.

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    Kaneria on his latest video:

    "I represented Pakistan in cricket and this was big thing for me to do which is to represent my country"

    "I represented Pakistan at the highest level and brought victories to Pakistan as you all must have seen"

    "And a lot of Pakistan victories were due to our [Shoaib Akhtar and myself] partnership"

    "There were definitely players who used to think and talk like that about me" [doesnt say what they said]

    "What Shoaib Akhtar has said is not without reason; he must have seen this happen with this guy so that's what he said that on TV"

    "At that time, I ignored all these things and kept my focus on cricket and on my bowling; I was bringing new changes to my bowling on a day-by-day basis to make it better"

    "My focus was to see how I could get victory for my country and I ignored what was said behind my back"

    "Shoaib Bhai spoke very well about the excesses done on me, and he is the best person to tell us the name of the person(s) he was speaking of"

    "Due to my performance, my captain at that time Inzamam-ul-Haq Sahib used to support me"

    "after him Mohammad Yousuf, Younis Khan and Shoaib Akhtar all supported me; It was due to my abilities where I got Pakistan into winning positions that I used to get support"

    "I brought success to Pakistan in Tests with my abilities and this is the reason I am a proud Pakistani and I am proud Hindu, and I am very proud of the fact that I represented my country"

    "I would like to ask that any statement from me should not be used in a political way and no political angle should be given to that"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Totally agree with Gambhir. Our society would never accept a Hindu player captaining the team for a decade.
    Of course you would you both share very similar views. In my opinion we know Pakistanis as a nation do have a tendency to discriminate against the grain, so do our neighbors across the border, it is part of our culture.so i wont disagree with shoaib however Kaneria was no saint and i can almost guarantee he was fixing way before he got caught, i have socialized with him a few times in casinos over the years and the victim card he paints on tv and news is different to his actual attitude behind the media. so to call azhar a fixer and kaneria as non controversial cricketer is wrong, they both should be painted with the same brush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Kaneria on his latest video:

    "I represented Pakistan in cricket and this was big thing for me to do which is to represent my country"

    "I represented Pakistan at the highest level and brought victories to Pakistan as you all must have seen"

    "And a lot of Pakistan victories were due to our [Shoaib Akhtar and myself] partnership"

    "There were definitely players who used to think and talk like that about me" [doesnt say what they said]

    "What Shoaib Akhtar has said is not without reason; he must have seen this happen with this guy so that's what he said that on TV"

    "At that time, I ignored all these things and kept my focus on cricket and on my bowling; I was bringing new changes to my bowling on a day-by-day basis to make it better"

    "My focus was to see how I could get victory for my country and I ignored what was said behind my back"

    "Shoaib Bhai spoke very well about the excesses done on me, and he is the best person to tell us the name of the person(s) he was speaking of"

    "Due to my performance, my captain at that time Inzamam-ul-Haq Sahib used to support me"

    "after him Mohammad Yousuf, Younis Khan and Shoaib Akhtar all supported me; It was due to my abilities where I got Pakistan into winning positions that I used to get support"

    "I brought success to Pakistan in Tests with my abilities and this is the reason I am a proud Pakistani and I am proud Hindu, and I am very proud of the fact that I represented my country"

    "I would like to ask that any statement from me should not be used in a political way and no political angle should be given to that"
    He also said these things likely happened behind his back and Shoaib akhtar is best person to ask who did so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Totally agree with Gambhir. Our society would never accept a Hindu player captaining the team for a decade.
    Maybe in your house hold they have these issues, as a society as a whole pakistanis are tolerant!

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    As I said earlier Danish and SA need to name names. We are not some fascist country like Ind and if any PK is discriminated against in any form then they should be humiliated publicly and banished from the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    As I said earlier Danish and SA need to name names. We are not some fascist country like Ind and if any PK is discriminated against in any form then they should be humiliated publicly and banished from the game.
    Danish has come out and said that it mostly would have happened behind his back so now onus is on Shoaib to give out names if there are any

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    He also said these things likely happened behind his back and Shoaib akhtar is best person to ask who did so
    Presumption is far fetched from the facts, let's discuss both shoaib and kaneria as individuals, shoaib hugely unprofessional, controversial, kaneria, match fixer, a liar, hardly trustworthy people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    As I said earlier Danish and SA need to name names. We are not some fascist country like Ind and if any PK is discriminated against in any form then they should be humiliated publicly and banished from the game.
    Good point, plus younis khan and Inzimam, mohammed yusuf need to comment to put this issue to bed

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy0204 View Post
    The same Gambhir who criticized him


    Hypocrisy personified.

    I am waiting for Afridi's next tweet so that he can rile up this midget once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Loving the fact Akhtar is getting success, money, even more fame and most importantly under people's skin even after retirement
    It's sad that he is getting more fame in his YouTube career than he ever got during his playing career.

    What's more sad is that he has to act like this after retirement to get some attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waleed93 View Post
    It's sad that he is getting more fame in his YouTube career than he ever got during his playing career.

    What's more sad is that he has to act like this after retirement to get some attention.
    No harm in telling the truth

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    There is racism in Pakistan and other countries. A recent example of Aussies calling Moeen Osama comes to mind.

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ing-2015-Ashes

    However, it is no secret that Akhtar loves to say controversial things to get more YT viewers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Danish has come out and said that it mostly would have happened behind his back so now onus is on Shoaib to give out names if there are any
    Let SA tell us names. This is too important an issue for just YouTube videos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Totally agree with Gambhir. Our society would never accept a Hindu player captaining the team for a decade.
    While I am not completely sure about Kaneria's case but this is completely true. Pakistan will never allow its minorities to get to a significant position. Medieval mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    While I am not completely sure about Kaneria's case but this is completely true. Pakistan will never allow its minorities to get to a significant position. Medieval mentality.
    A bit rich coming from an Indian.
    How many muslim PMs have you had?
    Only one Muslim president that's it. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    While I am not completely sure about Kaneria's case but this is completely true. Pakistan will never allow its minorities to get to a significant position. Medieval mentality.
    Is being the Chief Justice of Supreme Court a significant position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronaldo7 View Post
    A bit rich coming from an Indian.
    How many muslim PMs have you had?
    Only one Muslim president that's it. Lol
    The comparison isnít apt to begin with

    Pakistan has 3-4% minorities. India has more minorities than Pakistan whole population put together. Obviously with that base you will get more people rising to the top eventhough as a whole itís not much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronaldo7 View Post
    A bit rich coming from an Indian.
    How many muslim PMs have you had?
    Only one Muslim president that's it. Lol
    Rich coming this from a Pakistani, you cannot have a Hindu President by constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Is being the Chief Justice of Supreme Court a significant position?
    Pakistan cannot have a Hindu President by constitution, no use of deflecting the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    The comparison isnít apt to begin with

    Pakistan has 3-4% minorities. India has more minorities than Pakistan whole population put together. Obviously with that base you will get more people rising to the top eventhough as a whole itís not much
    That is true.
    I see these ignorant indians say that there is no representation of our minorities in the media. We are 96% muslim FGS

    USA for example, how many muslims do you see in the media? They're so ignorant that they think Asians are people like the Chinese, korean etc. They think Pakistanis are arabs lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddy View Post
    Rich coming this from a Pakistani, you cannot have a Hindu President by constitution.
    Well Pakistan is Islamic republic (eventhough I personally think rule should be changed.)

    Atleast no hypocrisy where oopar se country is secular (lol) but inside itís on way to hindu rashtra

    And with 3% non Muslim population it wonít happen anyway tbh whatever the rules are

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddy View Post
    Rich coming this from a Pakistani, you cannot have a Hindu President by constitution.
    You can but still you haven't had a Muslim PM
    That's even more sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddy View Post
    Pakistan cannot have a Hindu President by constitution, no use of deflecting the truth.
    Stupid reply. Read the post I replied to

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    Regarding the objection to eating separately, if it was indeed Inzamam then it is very shocking. People used to respect him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Regarding the objection to eating separately, if it was indeed Inzamam then it is very shocking. People used to respect him.
    "Kaneria said there were players like Younis Khan, Inzamam-ul-Haq, Mohammad Yousuf, and Akhtar who were nice to him irrespective of his religion."

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/gulfn....1577431492345


    Stop assuming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Regarding the objection to eating separately, if it was indeed Inzamam then it is very shocking. People used to respect him.
    Was it during the tabliqi jamat days?

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    Shoaib Akhtar only cares about his YouTube subscribers. After making this controversial statement, he might be able to get additional 500,000 subscribers from India.

    Danish Kaneria or any player from Sindh/Karachi will always be an issue for PCB. If Danish Kaneria being Hindu or Sikh from Pakistani Punjab, It would have been no issue for PCB or players from Punjab. Yousuf Youhana being Christian played for Pakistan, we didn't hear anything controversial about that. Why? Because he was from Punjab.
    The mind set of Punjabi are that Sikh, Hindu or anyone from Indian Punjab are their lost brothers and anyone form Sindh/Karachi are their Sautela Bhai (step brother).

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    Danish Kaneria clearly crossed the line. Any respect I had for him has gone down the drains. Canít believe he is using discrimination as the result instead of taking responsibility for not able to better his skills and getting caught for fixings.

    Not to mention he was preferred over major superstars under the captaincy of Inzimam who was supposedly very extremely conservative Muslim who looked past the religions and selected and supported based on merits.

    Even Inzimam must be regretting today for what he has just learnt about Danish Kaneriaís statements and people linking his statements as political use to serve their goals.

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