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    The overrated and hyped Rishabh Pant

    The guy gets ridiculous hype, however I'm yet to see anything which deserves the hype.

    He's one of the worst, ugliest players I've ever seen, a downgraded version of Raina. Has no technique and is a back flipping Indian version of Umar Akmal.

    I don't take heed of performances in the TPL.

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    He is still very young to write off .I think he is a better long format player then limited overs however I think his technique will eventually be found out at the top level. I think what he has going for him like many new young indian players he is mentally strong aware of his strength and confident, growing up in IPL culture has instilled this in young indian players.

    Too early to make a call I think he will end up as a serviceable international cricketer with some highs here and there.

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    He is an outstanding talent. The best WK batsman to emerge from the subcontinent since Dhoni. Just like they persisted with Rohit and reaped the rewards, India will be patient with him and he will eventually come good in all formats.

    His performance in Australia and England as well as in IPL reflects his abilities and why the Indian management and selectors value him so highly.

    He hasn’t delivered in ODIs and T20 internationals yet but it is difficult to thrive in the Indian LOI team when you are batting behind what is probably the greatest top 3 in Limited Overs history.

    Pant is only 22 and he will be a vital cog of the Indian top-order once the likes of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli move on in the next 5-6 years. He will play for India for 15 years and people who wrote him off at the embryonic stage of his career would come across as a impatient.

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    HE tries to be too adventerous in WHITE BALL crkt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is an outstanding talent. The best WK batsman to emerge from the subcontinent since Dhoni. Just like they persisted with Rohit and reaped the rewards, India will be patient with him and he will eventually come good in all formats.

    His performance in Australia and England as well as in IPL reflects his abilities and why the Indian management and selectors value him so highly.

    He hasnít delivered in ODIs and T20 internationals yet but it is difficult to thrive in the Indian LOI team when you are batting behind what is probably the greatest top 3 in Limited Overs history.

    Pant is only 22 and he will be a vital cog of the Indian top-order once the likes of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli move on in the next 5-6 years. He will play for India for 15 years and people who wrote him off at the embryonic stage of his career would come across as a impatient.
    Weak excuse, he had the best part of 20 overs to bat today and flattered to deceive, again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post
    Weak excuse, he had the best part of 20 overs to bat today and flattered to deceive, again.
    Dont Mind @Mamoon Just look at his words How polite and Lovely.
    And look at him comparing him to Rohit Sharma Everyone knew Sharma Was Technically Gifted Player So He was bound to succeed.
    Fakhar Zaman over pant for loi Any day Lol
    Last edited by Saj; 15th January 2020 at 02:30.

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    You are just jealous. He is the next big thing. Just let him play 100 matches then he will start showing his potential to you guys.

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    It would be so PCB-esque if they drop him for MSD!

    In my opinion, India should persist with him. Give some time to get it right.

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    He has talent and he showed its glimpse when he came to bat at 80-3 in an ODI match and then scored a 71 at a 100+ Strike Rate. When someone does that, then it means we have got some majors talent coming. In a Pakistan setup, he might have turned out to be Umar Akmal but he should do well in Indian setup. He is just 22 now and with time he will evolve himself.

    He is unreliable right now but still affordable when you have Kohli and Iyer at 3 & 4. What India needs is a good no.6 and that will seal it for us.

    The problem that bowlers can't even hold a bat is turning out to be a major one for us.

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    I wonder why Samson does not get a chance.

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    K.L. Rahul had to stand behind the stumps after Rishabh Pant had a concussion while batting and could not keep wickets in the first ODI against Australia on Tuesday.

    Pant scored 28 off 33 balls, crafting his innings with a couple of fours of a six, to help India reach 255. However, soon after the first innings, the BCCI issued a statement on Pant’s concussion.

    “Rishabh Pant has got a concussion after being hit on his helmet while batting. K. L. Rahul is keeping wickets in his absence. Pant is under observation at the moment,” the statement read.

    Pant's progress will be tracked overnight. A specialist has been consulted and an update will be given accordingly.

    https://sportstar.thehindu.com/crick...le30567958.ece


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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post
    The guy gets ridiculous hype, however I'm yet to see anything which deserves the hype.

    He's one of the worst, ugliest players I've ever seen, a downgraded version of Raina. Has no technique and is a back flipping Indian version of Umar Akmal.

    I don't take heed of performances in the TPL.
    You can make a list of Indian cricketers that do not deserve hype which would be longer than those who doe.

    Every young player that comes through is apparently the best ever.

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    He needs to work on his WK skills , and should bat at number 7 . A kind of dasher towards the end.

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    He needs to go back to FC and bat at a different position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is an outstanding talent. The best WK batsman to emerge from the subcontinent since Dhoni. Just like they persisted with Rohit and reaped the rewards, India will be patient with him and he will eventually come good in all formats.

    His performance in Australia and England as well as in IPL reflects his abilities and why the Indian management and selectors value him so highly.

    He hasnít delivered in ODIs and T20 internationals yet but it is difficult to thrive in the Indian LOI team when you are batting behind what is probably the greatest top 3 in Limited Overs history.

    Pant is only 22 and he will be a vital cog of the Indian top-order once the likes of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli move on in the next 5-6 years. He will play for India for 15 years and people who wrote him off at the embryonic stage of his career would come across as a impatient.
    Please give me whatever youíre smoking. Seriously again another useless essay. You seriously did not say best wk batsman to emerge from the subcontinent since dhoni mushifqur is miles ahead of him plus so youíre rating him above sangakara as well lol I just cannot even indian posters are just gonna laugh at this.
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    Does India not have any other option for wicket keepers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    I wonder why Samson does not get a chance.
    Does he have the swagger and cheeky smile of Rishabh Pant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is an outstanding talent. The best WK batsman to emerge from the subcontinent since Dhoni. Just like they persisted with Rohit and reaped the rewards, India will be patient with him and he will eventually come good in all formats.

    His performance in Australia and England as well as in IPL reflects his abilities and why the Indian management and selectors value him so highly.

    He hasnít delivered in ODIs and T20 internationals yet but it is difficult to thrive in the Indian LOI team when you are batting behind what is probably the greatest top 3 in Limited Overs history.

    Pant is only 22 and he will be a vital cog of the Indian top-order once the likes of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli move on in the next 5-6 years. He will play for India for 15 years and people who wrote him off at the embryonic stage of his career would come across as a impatient.
    Spoken like a true Indian supporter (as always)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Spoken like a true Indian supporter (as always)
    He’ll be surprised when he doesn’t become a great batsman his best format is tests where he can be above average but in ODIs he’s nowhere near Dhoni who was one of the best finishers of all time.

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    Sanju Samson should be given a chance now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is an outstanding talent. The best WK batsman to emerge from the subcontinent since Dhoni. Just like they persisted with Rohit and reaped the rewards, India will be patient with him and he will eventually come good in all formats.

    His performance in Australia and England as well as in IPL reflects his abilities and why the Indian management and selectors value him so highly.

    He hasn’t delivered in ODIs and T20 internationals yet but it is difficult to thrive in the Indian LOI team when you are batting behind what is probably the greatest top 3 in Limited Overs history.

    Pant is only 22 and he will be a vital cog of the Indian top-order once the likes of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli move on in the next 5-6 years. He will play for India for 15 years and people who wrote him off at the embryonic stage of his career would come across as a impatient.
    You have a lot of spare time my friend

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    Rubbish pant


    Waiting for the day when there will be no p....i player in a green shirt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is an outstanding talent. The best WK batsman to emerge from the subcontinent since Dhoni. Just like they persisted with Rohit and reaped the rewards, India will be patient with him and he will eventually come good in all formats.

    His performance in Australia and England as well as in IPL reflects his abilities and why the Indian management and selectors value him so highly.

    He hasn’t delivered in ODIs and T20 internationals yet but it is difficult to thrive in the Indian LOI team when you are batting behind what is probably the greatest top 3 in Limited Overs history.

    Pant is only 22 and he will be a vital cog of the Indian top-order once the likes of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli move on in the next 5-6 years. He will play for India for 15 years and people who wrote him off at the embryonic stage of his career would come across as a impatient.
    Will come back to this in 5 years

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    Rishabh Pant more like Pishab Pant amirite.

    Jokes aside, he's a real talent and needs to be persisted with. He's still 22 and when the Dhawan/Sharma/Kohli trio starts to fade away, that's when he'll be hitting his peak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mujtaba2900 View Post
    And look at him comparing him to Rohit Sharma Everyone knew Sharma Was Technically Gifted Player So He was bound to succeed.
    Easy to say that now and not before 2013 when he was averaging 30 at a strike rate of 78 after 80+ ODIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNAmarkFromIndia View Post
    Easy to say that now and not before 2013 when he was averaging 30 at a strike rate of 78 after 80+ ODIs.
    But Those days were different indian cricket didnít have money for players like it has now in domestic or IPL. Playing for India was the biggest priority for them as that would only mean a stable income for them they had motivation. Players now are already millionaires before wearing the indian jersey itís so much easier. Players in the indian domestic would be happy enough to play IPL only as that would provide them with a substantial income. Times have changed work ethic and priorities have changed. Pant is just mentally not strong enough to change his game though to be fair his natural game is hacking as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNAmarkFromIndia View Post
    Easy to say that now and not before 2013 when he was averaging 30 at a strike rate of 78 after 80+ ODIs.
    Rohit Sharma is an exception which produced as a result of master stroke from Dhoni when he decided to open with him. There is one example of Rohit Sharma while countless talented players who couldn’t fulfill there potential, so Sharma cant be the benchmark.

    That being said, all is not doom and gloom in Pant’s case yet as he is young and has time on his side but it wont remain on his side for ever. He does have potential but he has also shown brain fades and lack of temperament as of now in LOIs. In tests with no scoring rate pressure and closed in fields with open gaps for most attacking strokes makes it bit easier for him to handle his nerves.

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    Thereís been no Indian wicketkeeper bar Dhoni that has been noteworthy. Pantís got a long way to go.

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    mumbai, gujarat, delhi, U.p lobbies are the strongest in Indian cricket set up. He has the backing of delhi guys. Just like rohit had mumbai's & ishant had delhi's. He is not going to be dropped if one thinks of the backgrounds. It is just wishful thinking. Long rope for Rohit,- 5 yrs , raina - 4 years, jadeja 5 years before they came good. Many people will have their careers ended in that time period.

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    this kid has potential. he has time to rebound. You don't just score centuries in England and australia on your first tour unless You are a good player.

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    He is 22 years old and you people except him to score every game. You have to be patient with these players.

    Indian management doesn't always make good calls but if they are sticking with Pant its for a good reason. I think he will be a good player for India anyway but I would rather trust the Indian management than Pakistan supporters.

    And calling a 22 year old one of the worst players you have seen is not a very intelligent comment to make. Not every player develops the same way. Some develop after more experience.

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    He is too young and comes too late. He is no Dhoni, that he will finish games like he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mean&Green View Post
    Please give me whatever youíre smoking. Seriously again another useless essay. You seriously did not say best wk batsman to emerge from the subcontinent since dhoni mushifqur is miles ahead of him plus so youíre rating him above sangakara as well lol I just cannot even indian posters are just gonna laugh at this.


    How does Sangakkara belong to the ďsince DhoniĒ category? He made his debut 4 years before Dhoni.

    Please get your facts right before indulging me. I have better posts to respond to.

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    Gill, Shaw and Pant are future stalwarts of Indian cricket.

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    His last three odi scores are:
    71(62)
    39(17)
    28(33)

    He is showing improvement what else you want.

    Secondly @London_Lahori have you taken a look at his test stats.
    An avg of 45 with 2 overseas centuries.

    He was also awarded the icc emerging player of the year award in 2018,so its obvious that he had a tremendous start to hia career, he is hyped and he has showed in his first year itself that he deserved that hype.

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    What some PP posters here are not understanding is that although we have a lot of options at the top order- (Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Rahul, Agarwal, Shaw, Gill), we don't have quality at all in the middle order.

    I have seen all the players (All-Rounders, bit and pieces, specialist bats) tried out and have come to the conclusion that the best we have now is Shreyas Iyer and Rishabh Pant in the middle order and there is really no point in dropping them from the squad if they fails in few games. Iyer has been given the role to be the rock in this lineup if India loses a couple of early wickets and bring stability while Pant although unreliable has been given a more dynamic role, i.e to take on the bowlers and make impact with his aggressive batting. This is exactly what you need at those position.

    We have always been top heavy but lacked hitting power down the order which changed with Yuvi in the side and the combo of Yuvi Dhoni won us the WC. We have to be patient with current middle order right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    His last three odi scores are:
    71(62)
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    28(33)

    He is showing improvement what else you want.

    Secondly @London_Lahori have you taken a look at his test stats.
    An avg of 45 with 2 overseas centuries.

    He was also awarded the icc emerging player of the year award in 2018,so its obvious that he had a tremendous start to hia career, he is hyped and he has showed in his first year itself that he deserved that hype.
    And he didn't had the luxury to bat on Indian wickets this season where Jadeja boosted his stats like anything because Saha was a better keeper and they could have afforded a weaker Indian lower order batting at home.

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    A 22 years old with test centuries in England and Australia will have a bright future. The only reason people are frustrated with him is because Dhoni has just set the bar so high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    You can make a list of Indian cricketers that do not deserve hype which would be longer than those who doe.

    Every young player that comes through is apparently the best ever.
    Yeah but we have seen how Akmal , Shehzad ,Fakhar didn't get any hype at all eh? Lol @ every Indian, except Rahul and Pant , guys like Nair who hit a triple ton against Eng where are they now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Yeah but we have seen how Akmal , Shehzad ,Fakhar didn't get any hype at all eh? Lol @ every Indian, except Rahul and Pant , guys like Nair who hit a triple ton against Eng where are they now?
    None of them get the hype the Indian players do.

    Fakhar is still an active international cricketer with one of the best combinations of averages and sr in modern LO cricket. Get over it.

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    He will have to change his name to Rishabh Pants to describe his batting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    None of them get the hype the Indian players do.

    Fakhar is still an active international cricketer with one of the best combinations of averages and sr in modern LO cricket. Get over it.
    Like which Indian players? If anything Indian players get the most flak on this forum from Sachin to Kohli.

    Will wait till one of your batsmen score a triple against England and will see what you say.

    Rahul gets most hate from Indian posters just like Rohit did and even Pant , when Pant is playing on Indian grounds and he misses people shout Dhoni Dhoni.. Indian players Rohit and Virat have to come to defend Pant most of the time.

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    Wiketkeeper-batsman Rishabh Pant has been ruled out of 2nd ODI between India and Australia in Rajkot. Pant had suffered a concussion after getting hit on the helmet in the opening game of the series in Mumbai.

    Team India reached Rajkot for the 2nd ODI on Wednesday, however, Pant, who was supposed to join the team later, will now travel Bengaluru for rehabilitation.

    During India innings on Tuesday, Pant got hit on the helmet off pacer Pat Cummins's bouncer, which also led to his dismissal for 28 in the 44th over of India's innings. Pant had to seek treatment during the innings break and was kept out of the remaining match due to concussion.

    "He (Pant) is ruled out of the 2nd ODI. His availability for the final ODI will be based on how he responds during the rehabilitation protocol," BCCI said in a statement.

    "After getting hit on his helmet while batting in the 1st ODI, Rishabh got a concussion and took no further part in the game. He was then taken to the hospital for overnight monitoring under a specialist.

    "He is stable and all his scan reports are clear. He has been discharged from the hospital and will head to NCA, Bengaluru to undergo his rehabilitation protocol," the release further stated.

    The 2nd ODI between India and Australia will be played on Jan 17. India suffered a 10-wicket defeat in the opening ODI which was their biggest win against the sub-continental giants.

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    He has already showed glimpse of his ability with the 71 he got coming to bat at 80-3 at a 100+ SR outside of his test hundreds overseas. The guy is not reliable yet but when he gets going can be a game changer for his team. You just have to stop your hyprocisy and not make judgements after every game.

    If we drop players like that, we would never find a quality keeper batsmen. In terms of ability, we have picked the right one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    He has already showed glimpse of his ability with the 71 he got coming to bat at 80-3 at a 100+ SR outside of his test hundreds overseas. The guy is not reliable yet but when he gets going can be a game changer for his team. You just have to stop your hyprocisy and not make judgements after every game.

    If we drop players like that, we would never find a quality keeper batsmen. In terms of ability, we have picked the right one.

    Game changer match winner X factor these are the terms Iíve been hearing since he debuted for India. Not a single game heís won India so far but heís definitely lost them a lot with his brilliant keeping and terrible batting though. If a player has that match winning ability he shows it in his 3rd or 4th outing. Shivam dubey though the guy might be very limited with his bowling already won India a match and a series despite like 2 opportunities heís gotten so far. So all this wait and watch game is quite hilarious cause Iíve never seen a player get as many opportunities as heís gotten so far india. He will only decline because he just doesnít have it.

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    KL Rahul managed to thrive today in the same role, time to stop rolling out the excuses for Pant. @Mamoon

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    Rishabh Pant is DA BOMB.


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    He will come good. And it will honestly be so funny to see some posters have egg on their face when he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    He will come good. And it will honestly be so funny to see some posters have egg on their face when he does.
    Lol. Just a matter of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Lol. Just a matter of time.
    He is only 22. Has loads of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post
    KL Rahul managed to thrive today in the same role, time to stop rolling out the excuses for Pant. @Mamoon
    His time will come. He is outrageously gifted and BCCI knows it.

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    Has a struggle on his hands to displace KL Rahul from his role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post
    Has a struggle on his hands to displace KL Rahul from his role.
    For all his bravado strokes he has no game to rotate the strike. So he invariably plays a false shot. Ironically his game is more suited for Tests. Decent technique for a dasher. Once he establishes himself there he can come back to ODI. One good thing going for him is he is not a timid guy. He carries that typical Delhi swag (Gambhir, Sehwag, Kohli, Dhawan).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mean&Green View Post
    Game changer match winner X factor these are the terms Iíve been hearing since he debuted for India. Not a single game heís won India so far but heís definitely lost them a lot with his brilliant keeping and terrible batting though. If a player has that match winning ability he shows it in his 3rd or 4th outing. Shivam dubey though the guy might be very limited with his bowling already won India a match and a series despite like 2 opportunities heís gotten so far. So all this wait and watch game is quite hilarious cause Iíve never seen a player get as many opportunities as heís gotten so far india. He will only decline because he just doesnít have it.
    When did Dubey won India match and series?

    All the talks about Pant was done for KL Rahul also. Just like Rahul, Pant will also make a lot of older posts like these look hilarious. He is 22 and at this age, a player like Babar also hadn't won his team a single match. However, Pant has test century in both England and Australia at 22 but the same can't be said about Babar.

    I am not comparing Pant with Babar here as cricket is never a linear game but at 22, it's not that Pant has nothing to show off and doesn't have it in him in future as said in the above post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    When did Dubey won India match and series?

    All the talks about Pant was done for KL Rahul also. Just like Rahul, Pant will also make a lot of older posts like these look hilarious. He is 22 and at this age, a player like Babar also hadn't won his team a single match. However, Pant has test century in both England and Australia at 22 but the same can't be said about Babar.

    I am not comparing Pant with Babar here as cricket is never a linear game but at 22, it's not that Pant has nothing to show off and doesn't have it in him in future as said in the above post.
    Last t20 against Bangladesh shivam dubey won India that game and than the series as well cause it was the deciding t20 now good bye what kind of an Indian r u donít even watch your own matches properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mean&Green View Post
    Last t20 against Bangladesh shivam dubey won India that game and than the series as well cause it was the deciding t20 now good bye what kind of an Indian r u donít even watch your own matches properly
    Okay, I remember that..a T20 match lol. He is a fine talent but he also needs a lot of time. Need to improve in all three departments.

    Pant needs to work on his keeping once he does that he will be an integral member in all three formats and not just the tough overseas test series.

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    Pant tries too much in shorter formats. Should settle down as he plays more Test matches. Until then, keep him away from ODIs.

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    Excellent partnership this. Bringing back NZ in the game.

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    Tests are also likely not going to be the way back for Pant for a year or two. Wriddhiman Saha.

    Right now it's looking like only injury and/or fatigue (Rahul) may open a spot for him.

    So barring unforeseen events, I'm expecting he's out for a while. Will be good for him to work on his game out of so much scrutiny.

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    Saha won't last. He is already 35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    When did Dubey won India match and series?

    All the talks about Pant was done for KL Rahul also. Just like Rahul, Pant will also make a lot of older posts like these look hilarious. He is 22 and at this age, a player like Babar also hadn't won his team a single match. However, Pant has test century in both England and Australia at 22 but the same can't be said about Babar.

    I am not comparing Pant with Babar here as cricket is never a linear game but at 22, it's not that Pant has nothing to show off and doesn't have it in him in future as said in the above post.
    Two completely useless innings. You play them at 22, 16 or 36 they were completely useless. Everytime he was needed to score some runs in those series, even little 50's, he failed.

    He might become better than Gilly, but so far he is a failure in all three formats and rightly out of the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Two completely useless innings. You play them at 22, 16 or 36 they were completely useless. Everytime he was needed to score some runs in those series, even little 50's, he failed.

    He might become better than Gilly, but so far he is a failure in all three formats and rightly out of the team.
    Lets not go two three steps ahead and bring in Gilly here. Understand the context of discussion first.

    Test hundreds in those countries tell us about the ability of the bloke. We can do micro-analysis but fact remains at age of 22, he has a test century in England and Australia.

    Once he fixes his keeping, he will be a long term solution for India in all formats and not just tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Two completely useless innings. You play them at 22, 16 or 36 they were completely useless. Everytime he was needed to score some runs in those series, even little 50's, he failed.
    You mean like Babarís hundred in Australia?

    Babar got out for 1 in the first innings of the first Test when the match was in the balance.

    His hundred in the second innings came when the match was already over, with Australia securing a 340 runs lead.

    Your bias against Indian players never fails to amuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Two completely useless innings. You play them at 22, 16 or 36 they were completely useless. Everytime he was needed to score some runs in those series, even little 50's, he failed.

    He might become better than Gilly, but so far he is a failure in all three formats and rightly out of the team.
    This point of urs is bookmarked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Lets not go two three steps ahead and bring in Gilly here. Understand the context of discussion first.

    Test hundreds in those countries tell us about the ability of the bloke. We can do micro-analysis but fact remains at age of 22, he has a test century in England and Australia.

    Once he fixes his keeping, he will be a long term solution for India in all formats and not just tests.
    You show ability or become good not by making hundreds but by scoring crucial knocks.
    These two hundreds were useless so don't know why people bring them all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    You mean like Babar’s hundred in Australia?

    Babar got out for 1 in the first innings of the first Test when the match was in the balance.

    His hundred in the second innings came when the match was already over, with Australia securing a 340 runs lead.

    Your bias against Indian players never fails to amuse.
    Pant's hundreds were useless. Don't you agree?
    We will talk about Babar's hundred later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    You show ability or become good not by making hundreds but by scoring crucial knocks.
    These two hundreds were useless so don't know why people bring them all the time.
    For a young Asian batsman, scoring a hundred on his first Australian tour is never useless. What did Babar achieve in his first Australian tour in 2016? He couldnít even score useless runs.

    Babar is and always will be a much better and most consistent batsman than Pant. However, Pant is an extremely talented WK batsman who will have a very long and successful international career.

    He is going through a rough patch at the moment, but it is part and parcel of playing international cricket at a young age.

    You know as well as I do that he will bounce back because he is too talented not to, and he has given enough exhibition of his talent already. Unfortunately, his only problem is that he is Indian, and that is enough for you to be dismissive of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Pant's hundreds were useless. Don't you agree?
    We will talk about Babar's hundred later.
    They werenít. Context matters.

    No hundred is useless for a young Asian batsman on his first Australian tour. Many quality batsmen cannot even manage a useless hundred on their first tour of Australia, for example Babar and many more.

    Scoring tons on first Australian and English tours is a rare and excellent achievement for a young Asian batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    For a young Asian batsman, scoring a hundred on his first Australian tour is never useless. What did Babar achieve in his first Australian tour in 2016? He couldnít even score useless runs.

    Babar is and always will be a much better and most consistent batsman than Pant. However, Pant is an extremely talented WK batsman who will have a very long and successful international career.

    He is going through a rough patch at the moment, but it is part and parcel of playing international cricket at a young age.

    You know as well as I do that he will bounce back because he is too talented not to, and he has given enough exhibition of his talent already. Unfortunately, his only problem is that he is Indian, and that is enough for you to be dismissive of him.
    The word useless was probably overboard but I mean you can't use these two innings to prove anything in favor of Pant.
    He surely isn't as bad as he has shown so far in the international arena, he has lot of things going for him. But so far I geniunly have not seen something that will make me think he will be a great of the game. For example, Nicholas Pooran, to me, is so much ahead in every department of the game. Composure, talent, defense, game awareness...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    The word useless was probably overboard but I mean you can't use these two innings to prove anything in favor of Pant.
    He surely isn't as bad as he has shown so far in the international arena, he has lot of things going for him. But so far I geniunly have not seen something that will make me think he will be a great of the game. For example, Nicholas Pooran, to me, is so much ahead in every department of the game. Composure, talent, defense, game awareness...
    Pooran is also an exceptional talent, but he is unlucky to be in West Indies. His talents will go to waste and he will probably not develop into a top player which he should.

    Pant is a rare talent and I donít see India letting him to go waste. In spite of some fans and non-Indians criticizing him and calling him overrated, BCCI have given him an A contract, which shows how highly they rate him.

    Rahul keeping in Limited Overs is a temporary arrangement.

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    Should be given a place and backed.Huge talent.Unfortunately Dhoni fans hound him on every miss so extra pressure on him

    Can't be worse than Jadhav as a finisher


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    He has a decent technique for Tests. Should be backed there. But for LOI he is still a short fuse. If he develops in Tests, he can carry that into LOIs

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    Being kept out of the side for a prolonged period will end up being beneficial to him, needs to go back to Domestic and work on his game.

    Any by domestic, I don't mean the IPL.

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    How many subcontinental batsmen struck centuries on their first tours of England and Australia? Exactly.

    He'll be a monster in subcontinent and well above average elsewhere. A 45+ test average bat, but most importantly, his runs will be impactful.

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    Just because he cannot find a place in strong Indian team, cannot be labelled useless.. he will be main stay in most other teams. If he wants to play as wicket keeper batsman in Indian team itís difficult, he has to only concentrate on batting now

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    Quote Originally Posted by globalcitizen View Post
    Just because he cannot find a place in strong Indian team, cannot be labelled useless.. he will be main stay in most other teams. If he wants to play as wicket keeper batsman in Indian team itís difficult, he has to only concentrate on batting now
    Strong Indian team that just lost 3-0 against NZ. And Jadhav was playing in the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Strong Indian team that just lost 3-0 against NZ. And Jadhav was playing in the series.
    Yeah the same strong indian team that whitewashed NZ 5 nil in T20Is. And also beat them 4-1 in ODIs in NZ last year.

    And not only Jadhav, even Vijay Shankar was playing in that team. And Kohli and Bumrah weren't. So there you go.

    Pant has a lot of growing up to do as a cricketer. A lot. But any self-proclaimed cricket fan who thinks that he is "nothing special" is only saying that out of spite because of his country of origin. Growing up, I've learnt that that kind of behaviour is called xenophobia/racism. Don't know what it's called in your neck of the woods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Strong Indian team that just lost 3-0 against NZ. And Jadhav was playing in the series.
    This is t20 wc year and teams are more serious about it.. losses in a short series happens now and then especially away where home teams rally well..
    Pakistan lost 5-0 here in last tour

    So credit to NZ because they are certainly better team than india currently. And WC win showed it too..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Strong Indian team that just lost 3-0 against NZ. And Jadhav was playing in the series.
    It wasn't india A either but I agree india shouldn't lose 3 0. Yes the focus was on t20 perhaps that explains why kohli asserted his stance on odi as just warmups this year. Stupid thing to say because that just discredits your opponents.

    No matter what india shouldn't lose 3 0 despite the series being meaningless and kohli needs to be blamed for his poor selections. New zeland also played with their B side and they still outplayed india.

    I don't mind us losing but atleast pick the best talents if you are going to try out players. Not thakur, jhadav etc. Both literally cost india the game twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Strong Indian team that just lost 3-0 against NZ. And Jadhav was playing in the series.
    We were also told by Pant fans that he can play as a batsman alone.


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