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    And those going on about excuses..

    I'm pointing out we don't know how to bowl with the dimensions here hence why we've won 1 game in 9 and have been unable to defend 200 twice.

    1 in 9 for a home ground is appalling so obviously you'll look to reasons why NZ struggle here despite knowing the ground.

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    Expecting Saini in next T20.

    Bad day for Shami. Indian fielding should improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    And those going on about excuses..

    I'm pointing out we don't know how to bowl with the dimensions here hence why we've won 1 game in 9 and have been unable to defend 200 twice.

    1 in 9 for a home ground is appalling so obviously you'll look to reasons why NZ struggle here despite knowing the ground.
    Yeah . That doesn't sound like your usual excuse at all, Aman. Last time we destroyed your full strength team 4-1 in the ODIs, were all the matches at Eden park? Oh yeah I forgot. Its because guptill was out of form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    Yeah . That doesn't sound like your usual excuse at all, Aman. Last time we destroyed your full strength team 4-1 in the ODIs, were all the matches at Eden park? Oh yeah I forgot. Its because guptill was out of form.
    But sheep and rugby shugby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    But sheep and rugby shugby.
    Sheep and shugby Are this games played in Newzealand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    But sheep and rugby shugby.
    Still in shock after the mauling they got in Australia is Aman. Thought his team of 'Wagner and the 10 hobbits' would just hop across the pond and find success. Suppose he has found his coping mechanism by assuming that India are no better

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    Win Toss win game type of wicket - Flat wicket and short boundaries mean bat second and its difficult to lose the game. Specially with third choice NZ bowling line up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy0204 View Post
    Sheep and shugby Are this games played in Newzealand?
    Two comebacks that our friend has. One, in NZ, there are more sheep than men. Second, thereís a sport called Rugby, so not having any trophies in Cricket doesnít pain.

    In short - Que. You guys lost badly today. How do you feel?
    Ans. Sheep and rugby shugby.
    Last edited by BreadPakoda; 24th January 2020 at 18:44.

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    True, there aren't many bowler friendly wickets or conditions in LOIs. But I hope you know what I mean. I dont feel so cozy with him as our sureshot No:4 YET, like I am with top 3 (Rohit, Shikhar, Virat) and to an extent KL Rahul. Maybe with a few more performances like this and against quality opposition in SENA conditions or World cup, I can be more confident. But for now, he is doing quite well.
    Quote Originally Posted by HydratedTurnip View Post
    Pray tell us where have you seen non-batting pitches in white ball cricket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    Two comebacks that our friend has. One, in NZ, there are more sheep than men. Second, thereís a sport called Rugby, so not having any trophies in Cricket doesnít pain.

    In short - Que. You guys lost badly today. How do you feel?
    Ans. Sheep and rugby shugby.
    I know about Rugby,
    Its nothing new,I have seen on different media platforms where Australian,English people said we are better than you in other sports when they were losing and even if they were winning.

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    Southee as death bowler is the meme that keeps on giving. Without Lockie and Boultie, we are pretty much useless.

    Great performance by Iyer. A quality middle order performer unearthed by India.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Test lover View Post
    We are here talking about cricket, isn't it??
    Come on, be gracious. NZ certainly does great considering it has a small population.

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    KL Rahul and Shreyas Iyer scored fifties, as India chased down New Zealand's 203/5 with an over to spare in the first of the five T20Is in Auckland on Friday, 24 January.

    This was India's fourth successful chase of 200 or more in the format, a feat no other team has achieved more than twice. The visitors showed early intent in their innings, scoring 21 off the first two overs, but lost Rohit in the process, who miscued one to Ross Taylor at backward point off Mitchell Santner, giving the bowler his 50th T20I scalp.

    Skipper Virat Kohli (45) then joined KL Rahul and the pair continued to accelerate as India reached 65/1 at the end of the Powerplay. New Zealand had their chances though; on the second ball of the sixth over, a horrible mix-up between the two right-handers presented an opportunity to run out either man, only for the fielders to make a mess of it. Two overs later, Ish Sodhi failed to get his hands onto a skier to give Kohli a reprieve on 33.

    Rahul reached his fifty in the same over, taking full toll of a free-hit from Blair Tickner to send it soaring into the long-on stands. He fell to Sodhi in the next over before Guptill's outstanding catch at the deep mid-wicket fence off Blair Tickner's bowling helped dismiss Kohli to bring the hosts back in business. Shivam Dube, sent in ahead of Manish Pandey, hit a four and a six, but when Sodhi removed him on 13, India still needed 61 off 40 balls.

    Shreyas Iyer then took charge, finding the ropes at regular intervals with support from Pandey (14*) at the other end. With 18 needed off the final two, Iyer first dismissed Tim Southee for a six and a four, the second of which got him to his second T20I fifty. He finished the game in that same over with another massive hit over cow corner to complete a six-wicket win.

    Earlier, openers Martin Guptill (30) and Colin Munro (59) gave Indian bowlers a run-around, after Kohli won the toss and opted to bat. They were particularly severe on Mohammad Shami and Shardul Thakur, who collectively leaked as many as 53 runs from four overs in the powerplay.

    Rohit grabbed a fine take at the edge of the deep square leg fence to dismiss Guptill, while Munro fell not long after reaching his 10th fifty. Ravindra Jadeja then got the better of Colin de Grandhomme, before the senior batsmen, skipper Kane Williamson and Ross Taylor, both scored quickfire fifties to power New Zealand past 200. Williamson took some time early on, managing just a single from his first five balls before hitting out, while Taylor's innings was highlighted with some trademark swats over the square-leg boundary.

    The second of the five T20Is will be played on Sunday, 26 January at the same venue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    it is? it isn't now? jamodi and jamt20 matters rofl?
    If they don't matter why are you wasting your and forum's bandwidth by posting in a match thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    Just watching Iyer for the first time properly and boy what a player he is...
    But our fans rate Pant higher than him lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leatherface58 View Post
    Southee as death bowler is the meme that keeps on giving. Without Lockie and Boultie, we are pretty much useless.

    Great performance by Iyer. A quality middle order performer unearthed by India.
    You have to stop playing Southee against India. Career ER of 6.16 against India in the ODi, Around 9 in the T20. His lengths are ideal for Indian batsmen just like Malinga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    And yet this still happened



    Never going to forget, will gloat about it till the day I die or India get one back. One of the sweetest days ever as a cricket fan 👍 ♥️
    No shame in accepting that NZ outplayed us in that match and were robbed in the final.

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    About the match Tickner has some ingredients to work with. He reminds me of Andy Bichel. Decent carry. If he can add a bit more variations will be useful in Australian conditions.

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    Sodhi vs Santner. Which one they will go with or both. Santner has better batting credentials also a very good defensive bowler generally if not in the mould of Vettori.

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    Asian teams are predictable. They bat in a predictable fashion. Most dangerous side is West Indies on their day despite their abysmal ranking.
    Last edited by Abdullah719; 24th January 2020 at 23:38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Asian teams are predictable. They bat in a predictable fashion. Most dangerous side is West Indies on their day despite their abysmal ranking.
    Predictability is not the issue. I think India just lack the depth and firepower to be THE top white ball team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    Predictability is not the issue. I think India just lack the depth and firepower to be THE top white ball team.
    Gradually India is assembling a unit. With P.Shaw back in the reckoning Dhawan will be on his heels. Now Rahul has found his mojo. Iyer is also making the chances count. Pandya has to return with full fitness. Just the 2 spots in the middle has to be filled. Bowlingwise we are okay. Bhumrah, Bhuvi, Shami, Chahar, Saini, Kuldeep, Chahal, Jadeja, Sundar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Gradually India is assembling a unit. With P.Shaw back in the reckoning Dhawan will be on his heels. Now Rahul has found his mojo. Iyer is also making the chances count. Pandya has to return with full fitness. Just the 2 spots in the middle has to be filled. Bowlingwise we are okay. Bhumrah, Bhuvi, Shami, Chahar, Saini, Kuldeep, Chahal, Jadeja, Sundar.
    The issue is that these guys need to develop some part time bowling ability as well otherwise it messes up the team balance. We need a credible sixth bowling option to step up if a main bowler gets injured. I'm not a fan of playing 2 all-rounders and a wicketkeeper . It has to be 5 bats + keeper + all rounder + 4 bowlers. Can't go with a confused mindset anymore .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    The issue is that these guys need to develop some part time bowling ability as well otherwise it messes up the team balance. We need a credible sixth bowling option to step up if a main bowler gets injured. I'm not a fan of playing 2 all-rounders and a wicketkeeper . It has to be 5 bats + keeper + all rounder + 4 bowlers. Can't go with a confused mindset anymore .
    I am hoping Iyer can actually bowl okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhs View Post
    Win Toss win game type of wicket - Flat wicket and short boundaries mean bat second and its difficult to lose the game. Specially with third choice NZ bowling line up.
    True, I doubt India would've won if they had batted first. Ind would have posted a similar total, and NZ would've likely chased it. With the exception of Bumrah, India's bowling & fielding wasn't great either.

    But would've/could've/should've is all hypothesis, Ind won with an over to spare chasing a 200+ total, and that takes some doing.

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    Iyer and KL Rahul performances have improved the Indian LO team slightly .

    India are the team to beat for me at The World T20. They have match winners with bat and ball. Excellent in the field. A great captain. They just need to get over the mental hurdle of coming up short in big games.

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    Browsing through the reactiong of NZ fans. Generally funny reaction. Nobody gave any excuse. They just blamed the players responsible. One reaction was funny lol. May be i should use this for our non performing players

    "Santner Southee and Sodhi need to hand in there resignations they cost New Zealand the game"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    If they don't matter why are you wasting your and forum's bandwidth by posting in a match thread?
    because my only concern is injuries. don't want boomrah or any of the other top players get hurt. I barely posted in this thread.

    anyway I am glad pant is out. time for him to go back and play domestic tournaments.

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    Eden Park should not be allowed to host any cricket games, the stadium is designed for Rugby not cricket.
    WI will be unbeatable on this ground.

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    India should be too good for NZ. I can see India winning the T20I series 4-1 or even 5-0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandMaster View Post
    Eden Park should not be allowed to host any cricket games, the stadium is designed for Rugby not cricket.
    WI will be unbeatable on this ground.
    Only if they chase. Their bowling is very weak and canít defend any total on this ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    The issue is that these guys need to develop some part time bowling ability as well otherwise it messes up the team balance. We need a credible sixth bowling option to step up if a main bowler gets injured. I'm not a fan of playing 2 all-rounders and a wicketkeeper . It has to be 5 bats + keeper + all rounder + 4 bowlers. Can't go with a confused mindset anymore .
    This needing a 6th bowler is very true.

    This is where I thought Shankar at 5 could be a decent option. Without having this option, we are forced to play Jadeja at 7. I would rather we played KuLCha as they combine to form a deadly attacking duo. Bumrah + KulCha + Sainia/Shami/Bhuvi + Pandya is decent bowling attack. But one of these bowlers starts having a bad day or ends up with an injury, we do not have a fallback.

    Kohli/Rohit used to roll his arm a bit. What happened to that?

    Rohit + Shaw/Gill/Mayank + Kohli + Rahul + Iyer + XXX + Pandya + Sainia/Shami/Bhuvi + KulCha + Bumrah is a decent team.

    Just need to fix 2 things
    1. The XXX player needs to be able to bowl. So far its been Jhadhav. Not sure Jhadhav is an option for the long run. I guess that's why they are trying Dube.

    There was a time when we had Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvraj and Raina who could roll their arms very effectively in limited overs format. In fact, we only used to go with 4 bowlers then. Now, we do not have even 1 option.

    2. One of the bowlers, needs to be able to hold a bat. Bhuvi can, and so can Kuldeep Yadav. At least from Kuldeep's first class stats. He needs to be encouraged to take some more batting responsibility.

    Again, earlier we used to have Harbhajan and Zaheer who were super effective with the bat at 8 and 9. Now our tail starts at 8. Unfortunately, this has meant that we have had to play Jadeja instead instead of both Kuldeep and Chahal.

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    NZ bowlers are horrible, letting a batsman like Shreyas Iyer look legit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    NZ bowlers are horrible, letting a batsman like Shreyas Iyer look legit
    But he smashed Starc and Cummins as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    But he smashed Starc and Cummins as well.
    Mark my words. If he tours either SA or AUS in the future, that will be the end of his career, highly unlikely you will hear about him again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Mark my words. If he tours either SA or AUS in the future, that will be the end of his career, highly unlikely you will hear about him again...
    He made a 30 at Port Elizabeth where even Kohli scratched around. Mone Morkel was the bowler. Also why do you think he will fail in Australia where even Jadhav, Jadeja, pandey did well atleast in one match. If anything AUstralia produces the best pattas. Only difference is ground is big. But this guy hits monsterous sixes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    . But this guy hits monsterous sixes.
    Not really, the grounds in NZ are tiny even then after some of his strokes to clear the boundary he looks like he was put of breath after the shot. I saw him against SA and he could barely put bat on ball when he was peppered with short stuff


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Mark my words. If he tours either SA or AUS in the future, that will be the end of his career, highly unlikely you will hear about him again...
    He averages more than 40 in ODIs with a SR of 100 plus. His first class average is 50 plus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Not really, the grounds in NZ are tiny even then after some of his strokes to clear the boundary he looks like he was put of breath after the shot. I saw him against SA and he could barely put bat on ball when he was peppered with short stuff
    Same with Kohli in West Indies in his first Test tour. People can improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    There was a time when we had Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvraj and Raina who could roll their arms very effectively in limited overs format. In fact, we only used to go with 4 bowlers then. Now, we do not have even 1 option.
    We have options. They can all bowl. We just don't go to them because we want bowlers to take responsibility and do what is expected of them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Not really, the grounds in NZ are tiny even then after some of his strokes to clear the boundary he looks like he was put of breath after the shot. I saw him against SA and he could barely put bat on ball when he was peppered with short stuff
    players like can improve you know bro? You know? people can get better lol.

    I agree though I am not fully convinced yet if he can anticipate the short ball as quick as I want him to be able to but he definitely haa improved. I am impressed. If he keeps continuing to grow then there is no stopping him.

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    India should go with

    Rohit
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    Kohli
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    Rahul
    Pant (wkt)
    Jadeja
    Kuldeep
    Saini
    Shami
    Bumrah

    in the first ODI match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    players like can improve you know bro? You know? people can get better lol.

    I agree though I am not fully convinced yet if he can anticipate the short ball as quick as I want him to be able to but he definitely haa improved. I am impressed. If he keeps continuing to grow then there is no stopping him.
    For starters he doesn't look like a mental midget. He also doesn't have the habit of "taking it deep". He just does the clean up job as quickly as possible like an italian gangster. You gotta look at what he brings to the table rather than what he won't. What he brings to the table completely overshadows what he doesn't bring. His game does have some risks. But we need risk takers. Not the safe tuk tuk players like Manish pandey. Pretty much every player we iterated in recent times doesn't have that big hitting ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    India should go with

    Rohit
    Agarwal
    Kohli
    Iyer
    Rahul
    Pant (wkt)
    Jadeja
    Kuldeep
    Saini
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    in the first ODI match.
    This team is the best we could assemble right now. Totally agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNAmarkFromIndia View Post
    We have options. They can all bowl. We just don't go to them because we want bowlers to take responsibility and do what is expected of them.
    Who are the options and when did they bowl?

    Its not about bowlers taking responsibility. We always have bowled a 6th bowler like Jadhav when one of the main bowlers has struggled. Sometimes a main bowler will have a bad day. We need to be able to cover that.

    More importantly, what happens when one of our bowlers gets injured mid way. If the 6th bowling options doesnt have some form of practice in game situation, it would be a massacre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    Who are the options and when did they bowl?

    Its not about bowlers taking responsibility. We always have bowled a 6th bowler like Jadhav when one of the main bowlers has struggled. Sometimes a main bowler will have a bad day. We need to be able to cover that.

    More importantly, what happens when one of our bowlers gets injured mid way. If the 6th bowling options doesnt have some form of practice in game situation, it would be a massacre.
    They are ALL options. Even Dhawan or Manish Pandey would roll their arm over if you ask them of it. But you don't bowl someone just to get them practice. You will always try to get the most overs out of your main bowlers with the assumption that they're more dependable.

    I would rather worry about the entire series/tournament and play 5 bowlers than worry about one match where a main bowler gets injured. If we lose an ICC knockout because our main bowler gets injured, I'd rather we just put it down to bad luck and deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    This team is the best we could assemble right now. Totally agree.
    Yes, let's see what India comes up with in ODI cricket. Rahul is a good opener but we need a lot of quality in middle order.


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