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    Naseem Shah or Shaheen Shah Afridi - Who is more talented?

    1. Who is more talented?

    2. Who will take the most international wickets?

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    shaheen

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    tall, fast, possesses bounce, variation, outswing and reverse swing.

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    The synonym of Afridi is talent/ability.
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    Shaheen is more well rounded but I think Naseem has *it*factor. Not everyone has "it" and "it" is no guarantee for success but "it" is there in Naseem let's hope he makes full use of "it"

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    I think the best answer is they both compliment each other really well, one being tall , bounce, good skill set, the other short , skiddy, excellent skill set.

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    Naseem has a better action and is more talented.

    But Shaheen will take 200 more Test wickets at a better average and a much better economy rate, simply because he is 6’6 while Naseem is only 5’10.

    Those eight inches will make a massive difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Naseem has a better action and is more talented.

    But Shaheen will take 200 more Test wickets at a better average and a much better economy rate, simply because he is 6’6 while Naseem is only 5’10.

    Those eight inches will make a massive difference.
    Shaheen will take 450 Test wickets in 110 Tests at 23, with an economy rate of under 3.

    Naseem will take 250 Test wickets in 60 Tests at an average of 28, with an economy rate of almost 4. In contrast with Shaheen, he will suffer career-threatening back injuries and he will have a sharp deterioration in his performance after the fake age of 25, as he loses his pace.

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    Talent wise, its difficult to judge at the min, but current skill level, SSA is miles ahead due to his exposure to international cricket

    NAseem Shah could catch up... maybe 10 tests 10 ODIz down the line we can judge them ... but currently SSA anyday everyday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post

    Those eight inches will make a massive difference.
    Not the first time someone has said it, and definitely not the last time as well

    The problem in Pakistan cricket is the absence of desire and mentors. Players are okay for a season or two and then they get distracted. Not many are willing to put their body on the line and achieve greatness so we can never be confident of any Pakistani cricketer anymore.


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    Shaheen is the better bowler.

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    On pure talent naseem is slightly ahead but shaheen is more polished

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    Shaheen easily
    Though Naseem is not that far and has a lot of potential.

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    Naseem started ahead in terms of skills if we talk about junior level year or two ago however Shaheen debuted in international cricket around 1.5 years ago and being a quick learner he is, he has made it more neck to neck now or maybe is ahead if we talk about pure skills with ball in hand.

    Both were prodigies to be honest but what always amazed be during QAE19 and still amazes me is that how at such a young age without international development pf 1.5 years which Shaheen has, Naseem was already moving the ball in and out from good length. Made veterans like Asad Shadiq, Abid Ali, Fawad Alam etc clueless against some of his deliveries in QAE.

    So natural talent wise I guess Naseem was superior but Shaheen is a quick learner and has almost got most things covered except for reverse swing which will come with time but Naseem does have that ability too. Shaheen has pretty deceptive slower though which Naseem needs to work upon.

    So can be a good internal rivalry going forward.
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    Shaheen has come a long way since the first time i saw him play, if naseem can have a similar journey then i dont care who will be better because it will mean Pak has 2 world class pacers.

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    Afridi. Taller and less injury prone I think. Also knows how to set a batsman up. Clever bowler. His ceiling is higher.

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    Well if you look at their bowling naseem gives that pure pakistani fast bowler vibes coz his action is delightful and he is faster.
    But i think shaheen will retire as a better bowler coz he is difficult to score.

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    Pakistan’s bowling resources in the next 5 years

    Shaheen (premier)

    Naseem (Premier, needs to stay fit)

    Rauf (Very good limited overs bowler)

    Hasnain (Needs work, can be excellent)

    Musa (Needs work + needs to add an extra dimension to his cricket by offering with the bat)

    - - - -

    Hassan Ali

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    Afridi. Taller and less injury prone I think. Also knows how to set a batsman up. Clever bowler. His ceiling is higher.
    Plus he is also a more confident lower order batsman. This may have been irrelevant in the past but Pakistan could do with a decent number 8-9

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    Shaheen. He has all the talent required to become world class. Just needs to stay fit and focused.

    I’m afraid Naseem will break a lot of excited hearts. I don’t see him succeeding against good lineups. He won’t make an impact in the upcoming England series.

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    Interesting views, I’ve had a “there’s something special about this kid” feeling after seeing a Pakistani speedster after many years as soon as I watched Naseem on test debut v Australia.

    As far as Shaheen Afridi, I feel the same way about him as I did about a young Umar Gul , a hard working and steady performer who will be handy in certain conditions but special? Unsure - but then appears many fans rate Gul very highly and much higher then I do. Can’t remember a single spell from Gul that I would want to go back and re-live if I could. Now compare with the truly ‘special’ fast bowlers over the years , see what I mean?

    Hoping Naseem goes on and showcases the genuine fast bowling talent he is blessed with, aside from pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majid Khan View Post
    Interesting views, I’ve had a “there’s something special about this kid” feeling after seeing a Pakistani speedster after many years as soon as I watched Naseem on test debut v Australia.

    As far as Shaheen Afridi, I feel the same way about him as I did about a young Umar Gul , a hard working and steady performer who will be handy in certain conditions but special? Unsure - but then appears many fans rate Gul very highly and much higher then I do. Can’t remember a single spell from Gul that I would want to go back and re-live if I could. Now compare with the truly ‘special’ fast bowlers over the years , see what I mean?

    Hoping Naseem goes on and showcases the genuine fast bowling talent he is blessed with, aside from pace.
    I think Gull-dozer is rated mainly for his spells in ODI and especially T20 cricket. Gul is, quite possibly, the greatest T20 fast bowler of all time, both statistically and in terms of entertainment. I preferred his reverse swinging yorkers to Malinga’s even. I watched a great spell he bowled against England at the Oval many years ago, and it was one of the best ODI games I have seen live. He stole victory from the jaws of defeat that day. But yeah, T20 is where he was absolutely lethal for some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majid Khan View Post
    Interesting views, I’ve had a “there’s something special about this kid” feeling after seeing a Pakistani speedster after many years as soon as I watched Naseem on test debut v Australia.

    As far as Shaheen Afridi, I feel the same way about him as I did about a young Umar Gul , a hard working and steady performer who will be handy in certain conditions but special? Unsure - but then appears many fans rate Gul very highly and much higher then I do. Can’t remember a single spell from Gul that I would want to go back and re-live if I could. Now compare with the truly ‘special’ fast bowlers over the years , see what I mean?

    Hoping Naseem goes on and showcases the genuine fast bowling talent he is blessed with, aside from pace.
    Well said.

    Shaheen is very good, but a steady bowler who is improving every day.

    Naseem just seems to have that ability to run through batting line-ups.

    Shaheen looks hell of a lot better right now due to 1.5 years of international experience, but if Naseem works hard and keeps his focus on the game, this is a special fast bowler for world cricket.

    With regards to his height, Naseem had Warner ducking and weaving in his first ever assignment of international cricket. He has a lethal bouncer, which is already proving to be difficult to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Well said.

    Shaheen is very good, but a steady bowler who is improving every day.

    Naseem just seems to have that ability to run through batting line-ups.

    Shaheen looks hell of a lot better right now due to 1.5 years of international experience, but if Naseem works hard and keeps his focus on the game, this is a special fast bowler for world cricket.

    With regards to his height, Naseem had Warner ducking and weaving in his first ever assignment of international cricket. He has a lethal bouncer, which is already proving to be difficult to deal with.
    Yeah well said naseem can be the bowler who can run through the batting lineup in short spells he took 4 wickets in less than 10 over and his 5 wicket hall came in just about 12 overs while it took shaheen about 20 overs to get 5 wickets

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    Naseem shah was clearly born to play cricket because he has the most vertical and efficient action I've ever seen
    Shaheen has a sloppier action but is blessed with height and is a more seasoned performer. I don't know, they're both very good. Naseem shah is more 'talented' though

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    shaheen will succeed in all formats,if groomed properly, he will be similar to wasim akram(obviously not as good as akram, akram had much more variation). naseem shah will be a test specialist, wont be so successful in limited overs.

    naseem , at his best form, will outbowl shaheen. but overall, shaheen will be more consistent. so shaheen is slightly more talented, his height plays a big factor

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    Knowing the PCB they're both gonna drop off and be irrelevant in 3 years, best not to dwell on them

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadharis1 View Post
    Knowing the PCB they're both gonna drop off and be irrelevant in 3 years, best not to dwell on them
    I get how you're feeling. Try to have faith though bro. I think naseem is going to make it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Shaheen will take 450 Test wickets in 110 Tests at 23, with an economy rate of under 3.

    Naseem will take 250 Test wickets in 60 Tests at an average of 28, with an economy rate of almost 4. In contrast with Shaheen, he will suffer career-threatening back injuries and he will have a sharp deterioration in his performance after the fake age of 25, as he loses his pace.
    I like the specificity. How would you rank them against a young Mohammad Amir?

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    Naseem is more talented but shaheen will pick up alot more wickets becouse he will play alot more matches

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    Don't listen to junaids. He is a clown
    Same guy who ruled out naseem being a gun because he is under 6 foot . Short skiddy bowlers thrive on slower pitches look at MM or steyn. You judge a bowler on their quality not their height
    Heck kemar roach is top 3 fast bowler in the world right now easily and hes only getting better with age

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    Quote Originally Posted by majiz View Post
    Don't listen to junaids. He is a clown
    Same guy who ruled out naseem being a gun because he is under 6 foot . Short skiddy bowlers thrive on slower pitches look at MM or steyn. You judge a bowler on their quality not their height
    Heck kemar roach is top 3 fast bowler in the world right now easily and hes only getting better with age
    if naseem really is 16 and if has good genes, he can reach 6 ft maybe even 6,1 . some people grow 4 inches after 16

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    Quote Originally Posted by sindhiboy View Post
    if naseem really is 16 and if has good genes, he can reach 6 ft maybe even 6,1 . some people grow 4 inches after 16
    He’s definitely not 16, this much is for sure. Too much of a paper trail with several witnesses from two to three years ago placing him at 16-17 then. He would likely be around 19 right now.

    This matches his body structure and muscle development which to the naked eye definitely don’t look 16. Dr. Nauman Niaz feels the same and I trust his qualifications

    I personally don’t mind him being 18 or 19 as he would still retain his record for youngest 5 wicket haul and youngest hat trick. It also gives him time to improve.

    At most, Naseem will grow one more inch at this point in time, assuming we are overestimating his age and underestimating a genetic late growth factor.

    But even then, he would remain at 5’11” at most. Not too bad (could have been worse like Musa Khan) but not extraordinary like Shaheen. I still highly rate him and think he provides an extra dimension to the attack. I would rather have Naseem’s x factor that allows him to run through an attack and trouble batsmen like Warner even on debut, than a Shaheen look alike.

    So even though Shaheen will probably be more successful in terms of pure stats, a Naseem+Shaheen combination is far more brutal than a combination with two identical Shaheens. This is better for Pakistan at the end of the day.

    My prediction is the two of them will end up highest wicket takers of the next World Test Champiomship cycle. Shaheen will get to Top 10 test bowlers first
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    Leave his age out of this discussion.


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    Shaheen will get number 1 test bowler first as well. Naseem will provide close competition and will always be right behind in the top 5. Will occasionally overtake shaheen over the span of his career, but not for prolonged periods. Shaheen will hit 300-400 wickets and Naseem will hit 200-300. Naseem will be in and out of the side as often as Shoaib Akhtar, and will end up being rotated with Hasnain probably once Hasnain builds up stamina for the Test Format.

    Tahir Hussain from the current U19 squad looks like he has a solid grip over lines and lengths, and him along with Hasan Ali, Sameen Gul, and very occasionally Haris Rauf, will rotate as the third pacer/seamer.

    The most often Test attack that Pakistan will play over the next 10 years assuming all players are at full strength is:
    Shaheen (spearhead)
    Naseem (new ball partner)
    Hasnain (third pacer, similar to Shoaib’s role at first change with Wasim and Waqar)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Leave his age out of this discussion.
    It’s arguably very relevant to the first question in the OP. Talent is judged as a metric of quality at a certain age level. Naseem would be more talented than Amir was at 17 if he was really 16, for example, but in reality Amir was the bigger talent.

    Similarly, Naseem would definitely be the bigger “talent” between him and Shaheen, unless the two of them are actually very similar in age, in which case Shaheen is more talented

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    Let's hope they stay fit and focused. I saw a video of Naseem with Butt, and it shook me to the core. Don't we ever learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Let's hope they stay fit and focused. I saw a video of Naseem with Butt, and it shook me to the core. Don't we ever learn.
    They play for the same domestic team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by majiz View Post
    I get how you're feeling. Try to have faith though bro. I think naseem is going to make it
    Yeah, I just know the more invested I am, the more disappointed I'll be if/when they fade away. I'm rooting for these two 100% but I'm not gonna hype them up as greats anytime soon.


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    I think Naseem is slightly better. Shaheen hasn't done that well against top oppositions.

    Both Naseem and Shaheen should have a big role to play in the upcoming England series.


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    Shaheen is more talented imo. he has all the tools to become a elite pacer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal_103 View Post
    Shaheen is more talented imo. he has all the tools to become a elite pacer.
    He needs to up his speed to 150kmh. He will get there eventually when he is 24-25

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    Shaheen has all the tools and nous to become a quality test bowler for many years.

    Naseem is still very raw and while talented is yet to display the range Shaheen has shown off

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    naseem is very talented so is shaheen but naseem has slight edge due to his pace he is already the fastest pacer in asia in tests.I hope both stay injury free and have long careers.

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    Shaheen is more talented as he has bigger skill and range to showcase, Naseem has pace on his side but still raw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Plus he is also a more confident lower order batsman. This may have been irrelevant in the past but Pakistan could do with a decent number 8-9
    Possibly. But Shaheen needs to focus on his bowling alone imo. I think he can gain a yard of pace and he'll be absolutely lethal. Lower order batting is overrated. Only Junaids hypes it like no tomorrow.

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    Shaheen will be more consistent but Naseem is likely to run through sides on his day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Shaheen. He has all the talent required to become world class. Just needs to stay fit and focused.

    I’m afraid Naseem will break a lot of excited hearts. I don’t see him succeeding against good lineups. He won’t make an impact in the upcoming England series.
    I agree with this. Shaheen has all the ingredients to become Pakistan's 4th ATG pacer after Wasim, Imran and Waqar. As for Naseem, he is still too raw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majid Khan View Post
    Interesting views, I’ve had a “there’s something special about this kid” feeling after seeing a Pakistani speedster after many years as soon as I watched Naseem on test debut v Australia.

    As far as Shaheen Afridi, I feel the same way about him as I did about a young Umar Gul , a hard working and steady performer who will be handy in certain conditions but special? Unsure - but then appears many fans rate Gul very highly and much higher then I do. Can’t remember a single spell from Gul that I would want to go back and re-live if I could. Now compare with the truly ‘special’ fast bowlers over the years , see what I mean?

    Hoping Naseem goes on and showcases the genuine fast bowling talent he is blessed with, aside from pace.
    There are numerous spells in T20 cricket alone which are memorable.

    In Tests there is the 2nd India Test in 2004 and ODIs the 6 wicket haul in England after spot fixing scandal. And ofcourse spells in 2011 WC.


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    How do you even measure talent? Shaheen is way ahead of Nasim atm and that’s all that matters.


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