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    Wasim Khan 'fully expects' South Africa to play 2 Tests & 3 T20Is series in January 2021 in Pakistan

    South Africa delay Pakistan tour due to player workload

    “Both the boards are now exploring their FTPs to find gaps so that we can agree on the dates,” says Wasim Khan

    Lahore, 14 February 2020:

    Cricket South Africa have expressed their inability to tour Pakistan next month but assured the Pakistan Cricket Board that they will honour the commitment of sending their side as soon as it is reasonably possible.

    The proposed three-match T20I series was over and above two-Test and three-T20I series in January, next year, which is part of the Future Tours Programme.

    The CSA conveyed their decision to the PCB this afternoon after taking into account player workload.

    PCB Chief Executive Wasim Khan said: “While we were keenly looking forward to hosting South Africa next month, we respect Cricket South Africa’s reason for not sending their side next month. Managing player workload is a top priority for any cricket board, and from that perspective, their decision is understandable.

    “We are pleased that the CSA remains committed to rescheduling this short series as soon as practically possible. As there is a strong willingness and commitment, both the boards are now exploring their FTPs to find gaps so that we can agree on the dates.”
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    Ahhhhh disappointing but understandable

    SA have a heavy workload...... but hopefully we can get some other team to come in this window and get SA to tour at a later date

    their reason was atleast sensible ... rather than "middle east crisis" lol

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    Was bound to happen as I was surprised when the news broke out about the prospect of this happening as SA were playing and would literally not have much of a break.

    It is understandable they have done it now as it needs to be managed better when their players are mentally and physically ready to tour when it is best and suitable for both parties.

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    Hopefully it is successfully rescheduled at a later time.


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    That they cancelled it due to work load, means they are happy with security. So touring in near future shouldnot be an issue.

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    Not good----------------but what else can PCB do.

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    This was always a possibility due to the time frame. PSL finishes on 22nd March, IPL starts on 29th March.


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    Its a busy year so understandable, good thing is they have no other concerns and can have the tour later. SA tour of Pak around Jan 2021 which in includes tests as well can completely happen in Pak too if things go as per the plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    This was always a possibility due to the time frame. PSL finishes on 22nd March, IPL starts on 29th March.
    True. It was discussed on the possible tour thread as well that window was very limited.

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    Understandable

    Also PCB needs to avoid trying to stuff teams into a schedule.

    I would suggest that they try to arrange an ODI series with Ireland during the IPL

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    Poor planning by PCB. It was impossible to so many matches in March. There is PSL and then there is 2nd Bangladesh Test.

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    South Africa delay Pakistan tour due to player workload

    “Both the boards are now exploring their FTPs to find gaps so that we can agree on the dates,” says Wasim Khan

    Lahore, 14 February 2020:

    Cricket South Africa have expressed their inability to tour Pakistan next month but assured the Pakistan Cricket Board that they will honour the commitment of sending their side as soon as it is reasonably possible.

    The proposed three-match T20I series was over and above two-Test and three-T20I series in January, next year, which is part of the Future Tours Programme.

    The CSA conveyed their decision to the PCB this afternoon after taking into account player workload.

    PCB Chief Executive Wasim Khan said: “While we were keenly looking forward to hosting South Africa next month, we respect Cricket South Africa’s reason for not sending their side next month. Managing player workload is a top priority for any cricket board, and from that perspective, their decision is understandable.

    “We are pleased that the CSA remains committed to rescheduling this short series as soon as practically possible. As there is a strong willingness and commitment, both the boards are now exploring their FTPs to find gaps so that we can agree on the dates.”


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    well ok then here's what should be done.

    pull out of the asia cup. host south africa instead.

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    Far classier way to deal with this than Bdesh.

    Quick, decisive decision to delay tour for legitimate reasons instead of creating and prolonging drama.

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    At least security is not the issue.

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    Understandable. Much love to SA - many came for the World XI. Also, they used to always be my second favourite team. Big fan of QDK; ABD; Jacques; Smith. But of course, it is the love for fast bowling that makes us kindred spirits - Donald; Pollock; Rabada; Ntini; Nortje; Philander; Morkel. Phew! So many greats in such a short period of time post-apartheid.

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    I forgot to mention Gary Kirsten. He used to be one of my favourite batsmen growing up. I still don’t know why, but I was a big fan of the guy in his playing days! And of course, Herschelle Gibbs, who was super, super talented

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    Quote Originally Posted by warcry View Post
    well ok then here's what should be done.

    pull out of the asia cup. host south africa instead.
    Agreed.

    I’m not sure ACC even want PCB to be in the Asian cricket council. We are just a big headache for them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Agreed.

    I’m not sure ACC even want PCB to be in the Asian cricket council. We are just a big headache for them
    Why would that be?


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    Did CSA not know about this workload a few weeks ago when all the signs were that they will tour.




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    No one wants to get injured just before IPL. Better it got “postponed” instead of a B or C team touring Pakistan.

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    Fair enough


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    What workload? Its only T20s for God sake. Just send a combo of your A team/under 19 and a few senior pros. That would have been good enough to give Pakistan a tough fight..

    .missed opportunity for SA to nourish their new talent...

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    CSA AND PCB AGREE TO POSTPONE PROTEAS T20I TOUR

    Friday, 14 February 2020

    Cricket South Africa (CSA) and the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) have agreed to postpone the planned tour by the Standard Bank Proteas to Pakistan for a series of T20 International matches.

    “This has purely been done because of the heavy workload and international schedule our players are facing in the immediate future,” commented CSA Acting Chief Executive Jacques Faul. “I have assured my counterpart at the PCB, Wasim Khan, that the tour remains very much on our international schedule.

    “I would also like to stress that security was not an issue in asking the PCB for this postponement. We will now work together to find an appropriate window in the international cricket calendar,” concluded Dr. Faul.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Why would that be?
    Because they can’t seem to get things agree the way they would prefer especially with India in the mix and their added political tension.

    India is the bigger draw anyways and they are the bread winners for the ACC. They can keep India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka with Afghanistan emerging and make a decent amount of money with India and Bangladesh hosting the tournament.

    Pakistan bring nothing much to the table. Might as well just scrap this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Did CSA not know about this workload a few weeks ago when all the signs were that they will tour.
    Good point.

    I feel they have been kind to Pakistan in refusing to tour.

    Boy their has been some amazing excuses to not tour recently,

    ‘The Iran-US war’
    ‘Work load’
    ‘No venue in Islamabad’

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    Honestly I think the biggest issue is the 4 days difference between their series end and our PSL ending. They don't want to stay in Pakistan and we're probably not too keen to spend money in Dubai for them to stay for 4 days. I think if that gap didn't exist then this tour would've happened. Anyway, this wasn't even planned until recently so I have no feelings about it either way.

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    Why is nobody concerned that IPL is taking precedence over an international tour?

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    We want to face South Africa at full strength. So it's better to delay the tour if they are having scheduling issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Did CSA not know about this workload a few weeks ago when all the signs were that they will tour.
    The PCB approached them first, they have wanted time to speak to the players about it before giving the PCB their final answer. Tbh its fine that the tour isn't going ahead, the PCB admitted it posed logistical challenges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CleverSir View Post
    Honestly I think the biggest issue is the 4 days difference between their series end and our PSL ending. They don't want to stay in Pakistan and we're probably not too keen to spend money in Dubai for them to stay for 4 days. I think if that gap didn't exist then this tour would've happened. Anyway, this wasn't even planned until recently so I have no feelings about it either way.
    4 days in Dubai shouldn't be too big a deal, if it meant that SA would tour.

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    I believe South Africa will tour this year, at a later time. Not at all concerned about this issue.
    Current Pcb has shown steadfastness and resolve in playing international teams in Pakistan, there revenue and earnings depend on this so have no problem I'm actually happy finally Pcb personnel took a stand after 10 years so this will happen in Pakistan. No more matches needed in UAE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    Why is nobody concerned that IPL is taking precedence over an international tour?
    This tour isn't part of the future tours programme. It's being proposed as an additional tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    Why is nobody concerned that IPL is taking precedence over an international tour?
    The tour is not a part of the FTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    Why is nobody concerned that IPL is taking precedence over an international tour?
    What has IPL got to do here?

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    It is all well and good to take player workload excuse on good faith and in spirit of cooperation good that PCB and CSA making all right statements in media about only postponement and not cancellation.

    But I do hope PCB have hammered out legal commitment with CSA to hold them to their word. Too many times such things have burned PCB in past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    What has IPL got to do here?
    Presumably work loads would have taken IPL into account also?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Presumably work loads would have taken IPL into account also?
    Workload would have taken into account current series, the India serie,IPL, series after IPL too.

    Why mention IPL only?

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    I think South Africa will return. They are not too fussy about security like other SENA countries (Australia and NZ specially).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The PCB approached them first, they have wanted time to speak to the players about it before giving the PCB their final answer. Tbh its fine that the tour isn't going ahead, the PCB admitted it posed logistical challenges.
    Indications were they were happy to toyr, then suddenly the workload card. Very unprofessional.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Indications were they were happy to toyr, then suddenly the workload card. Very unprofessional.
    I guess it could be looked in multiple ways . . the talks were on going, but the main sticky point was which Wasim Khan himself admitted was that SA finish off their tour in India on the 18th and PSL runs until the 22nd . . that period of about a week in the middle was the issue and SA couldn't afford to go back . .

    So while we can speculate, the main issue was put on the table before the postponement and its not really that surprising!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Indications were they were happy to toyr, then suddenly the workload card. Very unprofessional.
    Was it an issue for pcb to put them up in Dubai for the intervening period?

    I would guess not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Indications were they were happy to toyr, then suddenly the workload card. Very unprofessional.
    Maybe they asked the players about the tour and going to Pakistan and they suggested workload issues?

    That's why these talks should be kept private. If the plans are confirmed, then great, you can announce it but it's nonsense seeing this talks and negotiations basically happening in public for something that may or may not happen.

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    Maybe they asked the players about the tour and going to Pakistan and they suggested workload issues?
    You'd think that discussions with the players would take place first before any hints are given that they will tour.



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    Some lessons here for Wasim Khan too, to not jump the gun regarding big statements on possible tours.



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