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    South Africa under Quinton de Kock's leadership

    CSA name De Kock as Proteas ODI captain & announce ODI squad to play England

    Tuesday, 21 January 2020

    Cricket South Africa (CSA) is pleased to name Quinton de Kock as the new Standard Bank Proteas One-Day International captain.

    He made his international debut in December 2012 after an impressive showing at that year’s ICC U19 Cricket World Cup in Australia and was called up into the ODI squad just a short month later.

    The 27-year-old wicket-keeper batsman boasts 115 ODI caps with 4 907 runs. An exciting talent from the beginning, De Kock has been one of South Africa’s standout and most consistent batsmen for several seasons with an ODI average of 45.01, 14 centuries, 24 half-centuries and a high score of 178 (off 113 balls, 16x4, 11x6s) which he made against Australia at SuperSport Park in September 2016.

    CSA Acting Director of Cricket Graeme Smith commented;

    “We all know the quality of the player that Quinton de Kock has grown to become. Over the years, we have watched him grow in confidence and become one of the top ODI wicket-keeper batsmen in the world. He has a unique outlook and manner in which he goes about his business and is tactically very street smart. We are confident that the new leadership role will bring out the best in him as a cricketer and that he can take the team forward into the future and produce results that South Africans the world over can be very proud of. We wish him the very best in this new role and look forward to watching him make his mark in this series against the World Cup Champions.”

    With two weeks to go until the start of the ODI series against the reigning ICC World Cup Champions, CSA is delighted to also announce the following players who will make up the 15-man squad:

    Quinton de Kock (captain, Momentum Multiply Titans), Reeza Hendricks (Imperial Lions), Temba Bavuma (Imperial Lions), Rassie van der Dussen (Imperial Lions), David Miller (Hollywoodbets Dolphins), Jon Jon Smuts (Warriors), Andile Phehlukwayo (Hollywoodbets Dolphins), Lutho Sipamla (Warriors), Lungi Ngidi (Momentum Multiply Titans), Tabraiz Shamsi (Momentum Multiply Titans), Sisanda Magala (Warriors), Bjorn Fortuin (Imperial Lions), Beuran Hendricks (Imperial Lions), Janneman Malan (World Sports Betting Cape Cobras), Kyle Verreynne (World Sports Betting Cape Cobras).

    It is a young and exciting squad that boasts the cream of the South African domestic set-up’s crop. It is with great pride that the selectors have identified five players who are receiving an ODI call-up for the very first time, they are; Lutho Sipamla, Sisanda Magala, Bjorn Fortuin, Janneman Malan and Kyle Verreynne. CSA endeavours to reward consistently good performances and saw this series as an opportunity to reward youngsters who have excelled in the domestic structures for some time, while giving senior members of the Proteas team a rest in the heavily scheduled international season that faces them.

    Four of the named players’ selection is dependent on their passing a fitness test as they work in the CSA Centre of Excellence in Pretoria to be match ready by the time the team meets in Cape Town on 31 January. Those players are Lungi Ngidi (who is making a comeback from injury), Sisanda Magala, Tabraiz Shamsi and Jon Jon Smuts.

    CSA Independent Selector Linda Zondi said;

    “We are really pleased with the squad we have selected, it is a good indication of the depth that we have in the country. The road towards the 2023 Cricket World Cup starts now and we want players doing well in our domestic structures to see the rewards of the hard work that they have put in. The pool that we build going forward is going to be vital in the selection of that 2023 World Cup squad but also without looking too far ahead, we are confident that we have players that will make South Africa proud in this ODI series against a confident England team.”

    Mr Zondi will be available for interviews over the phone for the remainder of the day until 18:00 on +27 71 869 7510.
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    Will be interesting to see how QdK progresses now as a leader.

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    It was inevitable and the only question was when it will happen.

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    This Sisanda Magala guy weighs at least 120kg and is in the team. I have no idea how a player like him could make the team. Thankfully there are players like Malan and Verreyne too.

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    Good luck to QdK.

    Awkward how Faf has been both sacked as ODI captain and dropped from the squad, and he does not even feature in the statements from CSA. :-/

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    He is one of the best players in the world already, and hopefully the added responsibility of captaincy will spur him to have an absolutely monstrous peak over the next 5-6 years.

    He needs to score 10,000+ runs in ODIs with 30+ hundreds. While the likes of Buttler and Pant are phenomenal, De Kock is the true heir to Gilchrist’s throne.

    I would personally like him to become the Test captain as well. However, it would be advisable if he drops the gloves and move up to #4. I am not sure if South Africa have a Test class WK waiting in the wings though.

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    The best under-29 batsmen in the world finally gets the responsibility of leading his team in International cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Good luck to QdK.

    Awkward how Faf has been both sacked as ODI captain and dropped from the squad, and he does not even feature in the statements from CSA. :-/
    I don't think he's dropped but rested like Rabada and other players as well who are not in ODI squad. Looks like a very T20 squad.

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    What happened to Faf?

    Sacked + dropped? WHY?

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    He is not a captaincy material. Do not see that command/gravity in his body language.
    Good luck to him though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    What happened to Faf?

    Sacked + dropped? WHY?
    SA are planning for the future and Faf is not a long term player at this point.

    Perhaps he has been rested, but i wouldn't be surprised if he was phased out.

    ODI is his best format though so it is somewhat questionable.

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    He is too irresponsible as is shown in his batting. This may backfire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is one of the best players in the world already, and hopefully the added responsibility of captaincy will spur him to have an absolutely monstrous peak over the next 5-6 years.

    He needs to score 10,000+ runs in ODIs with 30+ hundreds. While the likes of Buttler and Pant are phenomenal, De Kock is the true heir to Gilchrist’s throne.

    I would personally like him to become the Test captain as well. However, it would be advisable if he drops the gloves and move up to #4. I am not sure if South Africa have a Test class WK waiting in the wings though.
    Well, Heinrich Klassen is considered the best pure gloveman in the SA domestic circuit so he could bat lower down the order for SA. He also has a fc average of 44, so SA arent losing anything by making QDK drop his gloves.

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    The added responsibility should improve him further as a player. Good decision by South Africa.

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    Not a player for the big occasion. Failed in 2 ODI World Cups but then SA does not have many options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danyaalr01 View Post
    He is too irresponsible as is shown in his batting. This may backfire.
    This poster speaks the truth. I recently read an article about QdK, and he most definitely is not captain material in my eyes. They speak of his "intelligence" or lack thereof, and the fact that he didn't finish school, etc. It is a worthy read.

    Anyway, I do not think he's the best choice and I hope not the long term solution. We need a feisty upstart, like Graeme Smith use to be, to build a champion team.
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    Good luck to him, hope he can make SA a major power again. Cricket can't afford a weak South African team.

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    Doesn't come across as a thinking player to me. Maybe SA selectors saw some strategic genius hidden behind the blank face.

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    MODs can you change the topic to: Quinton appointed captain for England ODI series? It has been confirmed by Zondi that Faf has been rested and not dropped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minamino View Post
    MODs can you change the topic to: Quinton appointed captain for England ODI series? It has been confirmed by Zondi that Faf has been rested and not dropped.
    Quinton is confirmed as permanent ODI captain.

    Faf is rested but he is no longer captain.

    Graeme Smith confirmed that Faf is still T20 captain.


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    No other options, had to go with QDK...

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    South Africa under Quinton de Kock's leadership

    This team looks so very different from SA teams of recent past. Gives the vibes of Cronje lead South Africa.
    If given a longer run, Quinton de Kock can build up a quality team.

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    They look a good LO side. They will be average in tests but expecting them to be a top LO side. They need to get JP Malan in the side. Also Norje should be playing more.

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    And he wins series against Australia.

    Quinton de Kock is in many ways different from SA Captains of recent past. He has a bit of both Smith and Cronje.

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    Insecurity of Quinton De Kock?

    He has bowled Klaasen in this match even though he's a wicketkeeper. The only thing I can get out of this is that he feels his own place will be under threat if Klaasen keeps on performing and will replace him as the keeper due to the quota system.

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    He looks like a nervous individual, I think Rabada should captain. He is a confident young man

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    Quinton de Kock won't captain South Africa in Tests: CSA Director of Cricket Graeme Smith

    Cricket South Africa Director of Cricket Graeme Smith has confirmed that the country's white-ball captain Quinton de Kock won't be leading the Test side. While the wicketkeeper-batsman was appointed the skipper of the South Africa ODI and T20I sides after former captain Faf du Plessis resigned 2 months ago, Smith confirmed on Friday that the board will be looking for a new successor in the longest format.

    Smith wants de Kock to remain fresh and that seems to be the key reason behind not having him lead all the 3 international sides at the same time.

    "He [de Kock] will be our white ball captain, not Test captain going forward. We want to keep him fresh and playing well," said Smith.

    "I can’t tell you who it’s going to be. We are in a debate over it. There is no one person you could pinpoint right now and say that’s the guy. There are lots of players vying for selection. When we do play cricket we will see who escalates themselves.

    Smith also said that CSA may ‘take a risk on someone and back them’, meaning even youngsters like Temba Bavuma and Aiden Markram and old heads like Dean Elgar are in line to take up the role.

    "We are trying to understand who has the leadership credentials and the respect. This is coming from a person who had a risk taken on then [when Smith was appointed as a young captain], it is something we would consider."

    Smith's comments came after the former South Africa captain's contract as CSA's Director of Cricket was been extended by 2 years till the end of March 2022. Cricket South Africa made the announcement public on Friday after Smith's initial 3-month contract which was supposed to last till the IPL drew to a close.

    Smith, himself was happy to be serving the board and sounded hopeful that South Africa would soon be "back to where it belongs" at the international level.

    "My appointment brings a degree of permanency to my position which makes planning the road ahead a lot easier. As Dr. Faul has said, there is a lot of work that still needs to be done, not just at international level but throughout our pipeline development pathways as well but I am determined to get South African cricket back to where it belongs as one of the world leaders at international level."

    It was in December 2019, when Smith initially took up the job after being reluctant initially. Since then, South Africa endured a Test series loss to England at home but received a shot in the arm by winning the ODI series vs Australia earlier this year.

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    While Graeme Smith was confirmed as Cricket South Africa's (CSA) full-time Director of Cricket, the more surprising news on Friday was that Quinton de Kock has been ruled out of the running to replace Faf du Plessis as Proteas Test captain.

    It is a decision that makes complete sense given that De Kock is already the captain, wicketkeeper and his side's best batsman in both limited overs formats, but even so he was still considered the frontrunner for the Test captaincy after Du Plessis announced in February that he would no longer be performing the role.

    While T20 cricket is the obvious priority right now for the Proteas with this year's T20 World Cup in Australia scheduled for October, it could be eight months before they play any Test cricket again. A two-Test tour for the West Indies is set for July, but with the ongoing global lockdown because of the coronavirus, that is seeming less likely to materialise with each passing day.

    It means that, at the very least, Smith and the Proteas leadership have time to mull over who the Test captain should be before they host Sri Lanka over the next festive season.

    At this stage, from the outside looking in, it looks like there are four realistic options: Aiden Markram, Temba Bavuma, Rassie van der Dussen and Dean Elgar.

    Elgar has captained the Proteas twice in Test cricket and at 32 he still has years ahead of him, and while he may not seem the likeliest option on the surface, a look at the complications surrounding the other options significantly enhances his chances.

    Markram has been tipped for leadership since his youth when he captained the SA U-19s to a World Cup win in 2014. For a long time, he was considered the natural successor to Du Plessis. It is no longer that straightforward, though, given his lack of form and absence through injury.

    Markram has not delivered on the hype that has accompanied him since his early days and his Test average has dropped from around 50 to just 38.48 in a little over a year. A hand injury in India last October and then a finger injury in the Boxing Day Test against England cut short his participation in both of those series, and in his absence, Pieter Malan was given an opportunity.

    While there is no doubt that the Proteas need Markram moving forward, he perhaps no longer commands a place at the top of the order as he used to.

    I have always believed that Markram would eventually move down the Test batting order to No 4, and maybe that time has come, but South Africa need him to be a run machine more than they need him to be a captain right now. Scoring runs and returning to form should be the 25-year-old's only priority at present, and that might convince the powers that be to look elsewhere for their captain.

    Enter Bavuma.

    A naturally level-headed, thoughtful cricketer, Bavuma has found an inner confidence of late and with 40 Test matches to his name, he has the experience. A respected captain at franchise level, Bavuma also comes with leadership credentials.

    The problem, though, has always been the run-scoring return and he average of just 30.75 saw him dropped from the side at the start of the England series. One thing that Bavuma does have is fight, something he showed in working his way back into the side four the fourth and final Test, and that is absolutely a quality that will be required from a Mark Boucher captain.

    As is the case with Markram, though, Bavuma could find himself in a place where weight of runs is prioritised, and that again could result in the leadership going in a different direction.

    Perhaps the dark horse in this race is Van der Dussen, who has been largely impressive ever since he first pulled on a Proteas jumper, regardless of the format. A relative latecomer to the international stage, Van der Dussen knocked the door down at domestic level for years before being given his opportunity.

    He has not looked back, and his ODI average of 70.70 after 21 caps shows just how well he has adjusted to international cricket.

    More impressive to some, though, is Van der Dussen's maturity and composure on and off the field. During last year's World Cup in England, Du Plessis identified Van der Dussen as a man who could potentially captain the Proteas in the future and there are many in South African cricket's inner circles who agree.


    He may only have played four Test matches to date, but Smith will know better than anyone that number of caps need not be a factor. Now 31, Van der Dussen knows his game better than ever and in a period of struggle and then renewal, he has looked more at home than most in Proteas colours.

    Whichever way Smith and Boucher decide to go, they have the time to make sure they get this one right, and they need to if they are to place the Test side in good hands in the years to come.

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    De Kock growing into South Africa captaincy

    CAPE TOWN: Quinton de Kock says he has eased into the South African captaincy in limited-overs formats and feels the Twenty20 side is on the right track for this year's World Cup in Australia.

    De Kock has taken over leading the side from Faf du Plessis in white-ball cricket, and had a baptism of fire with three one-day internationals and three Twenty20 matches each against England and Australia in the last few months.

    They secured a 3-0 ODI series victory over the touring Australians and De Kock feels there has been progress.

    "I took it pretty slowly, I am still trying to get a feel of how to go about things. I have learnt quite a bit and I didn't do too badly," he said in audio released by Cricket South Africa on Tuesday.

    "It was more about taking it step-by-step, not just throwing out what I think straight away to the team. We are busy rebuilding as a limited overs team, especially ODIs. Twenty20 I think we know what is going on.

    "The series against Australia ... we had quite a young team and they had a powerhouse side, so for us to beat them 3-0 was a highlight."

    De Kock has emerged as South Africa’s most accomplished batsman in all forms of the game in the past two seasons and they have become heavily reliant on his runs.

    He admits, however, that his goal is to convert more good starts into hundreds.

    "I played decently, there was a time when I was starting to get grumpy at not converting my starts into big scores, especially in the test series against England," De Kock said.

    "I want to get better, to start scoring big hundreds for the team, that is the most important thing to get going now."

    South Africa are scheduled to tour the West Indies for two test matches and five Twenty20 internationals in late July and August, but that, and the World Cup in October, is subject to the COVID-19 pandemic.

    "I’m not sure what will happen, every country has their regulations they must adhere to. It is just a matter of waiting for this to go past and then we can get on with the game again," De Kock said.

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    South African and West Indian officials remain hopeful that a South African Test and Twenty20 tour of the West Indies will take place this year - despite announcing on Wednesday that tours by South Africa's women and the men's A team had been postponed.

    The women were due to play five one-day internationals in Jamaica and Trinidad, starting at the end of May, while the men's A team were due to start their tour in Antigua in June. Both tours were postponed because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

    A statement released by Cricket South Africa on Wednesday quoted Johnny Grave, chief executive of Cricket West Indies, as saying discussions were continuing with CSA about the feasibility of the senior men's tour, due to start on 15 July.


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    Cricket South Africa (CSA) today expressed its appreciation to Sport and Recreation South Africa (SRSA) and, in particular, to the Minister of Sport, Arts and Culture, the Honourable Nathi Mthethwa, for their support in enabling professional cricket to return to training and playing.

    The regulations for return to training and playing of professional non-contact sport were announced by the Minister at a media briefing this morning.

    “This is a big boost for the operational side of our cricket,” commented CSA Acting Chief Executive Dr. Jacques Faul. “We have been in regular contact with SRSA and the Minister and they have been very supportive of the game in these difficult times.

    “At this stage these regulations apply only to professional cricket and our next step will be to draw up a protocol covering the return to training and playing and submit it to SRSA for approval. I will immediately be calling a meeting of our Covid Steering Committee on Monday to get this process under way.

    “Both our national teams and our franchises will in due time be given the green light to return to training.

    “I have already had discussions with the South African Cricketers’ Association (SACA) and I would like to stress that no player, coach, support staff or administrator will be forced to return to training if they are uncomfortable with it at this stage,” concluded Dr. Faul.


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    Appointed Test captain as well. As I said earlier, making him the all-format captain was the right choice. He is the only natural option.

    G. Smith jumped the gun when he stated that he won’t be appointed Test captain. South Africa do not have alternatives.

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    Captain, main batsmen and keeper. Lets see how he handles the pressure of all 3 roles. In White ball cricket he will likely have no issues. But it will be a lot tougher in test cricket where side is not as strong as competitive.

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    There is no way De Kock is going to captain in all 3 formats as skipper. He will definitely give up the gloves in 1 format or may not even be permanent captain in tests as it only says he will be captain for the 2020/2021 South African season.

    Probably a sensible decision for now. But if South Africa in over 10 months have not been able to decide a permanent captain after saying De Kock won't captain in tests, I have a feeling De Kock will be the permanent test captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    There is no way De Kock is going to captain in all 3 formats as skipper. He will definitely give up the gloves in 1 format or may not even be permanent captain in tests as it only says he will be captain for the 2020/2021 South African season.

    Probably a sensible decision for now. But if South Africa in over 10 months have not been able to decide a permanent captain after saying De Kock won't captain in tests, I have a feeling De Kock will be the permanent test captain.
    He will be the permanent captain and CSA already knows that. The problem is that they jumped the gun quickly and publicly stated that he will not be the captain without first thinking about the alternatives.

    Had they thought this through, they would have arrived at the conclusion long ago because they have no alternatives at the moment.

    It is difficult for them to take a U-turn right away so they are easing into it. Pretty shambolic stuff and disrespectful to de Kock.

    Keeping and captaining all formats is a challenge but it has been done before, and de Kock is one of the most talented WK batsmen ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He will be the permanent captain and CSA already knows that. The problem is that they jumped the gun quickly and publicly stated that he will not be the captain without first thinking about the alternatives.

    Had they thought this through, they would have arrived at the conclusion long ago because they have no alternatives at the moment.

    It is difficult for them to take a U-turn right away so they are easing into it. Pretty shambolic stuff and disrespectful to de Kock.

    Keeping and captaining all formats is a challenge but it has been done before, and de Kock is one of the most talented WK batsmen ever.
    Kyle Verreynne has been in recent squads and he is in the test squad for the Sri Lanka series. So South Africa management is definitely thinking about De Kock playing as a specialist batter in at least one format.

    It sounds reasonable what you are saying but they were pretty adamant he wouldn't captain in tests. They clearly don't have trust in Bavuma as a captain as he was probably the favourite for the test job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He will be the permanent captain and CSA already knows that. The problem is that they jumped the gun quickly and publicly stated that he will not be the captain without first thinking about the alternatives.

    Had they thought this through, they would have arrived at the conclusion long ago because they have no alternatives at the moment.

    It is difficult for them to take a U-turn right away so they are easing into it. Pretty shambolic stuff and disrespectful to de Kock.

    Keeping and captaining all formats is a challenge but it has been done before, and de Kock is one of the most talented WK batsmen ever.
    Which players in history of the game done all 3 jobs well and successfully in one go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Which players in history of the game done all 3 jobs well and successfully in one go?
    You wrote this because you do not rate Dhoni as a Test captain and Test cricketer. However, I will have to disagree with you - Dhoni was very good in Test cricket as well but he raised the bar very high both with his leadership and his batting in Limited Overs cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    You wrote this because you do not rate Dhoni as a Test captain and Test cricketer. However, I will have to disagree with you - Dhoni was very good in Test cricket as well but he raised the bar very high both with his leadership and his batting in Limited Overs cricket.
    I actually think Dhoni was an excellent cricketer in white ball formats both as a player and a captain. So me asking the question had nothing to do with Dhoni. My question was a general one it terms of captain/keeper/players who have done well in all 3 facets in one go.

    Barring Dhoni there maybe the odd other but the game samples tend to be small, purely because doing all 3 jobs at international level over a perlonged period is tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    I actually think Dhoni was an excellent cricketer in white ball formats both as a player and a captain. So me asking the question had nothing to do with Dhoni. My question was a general one it terms of captain/keeper/players who have done well in all 3 facets in one go.

    Barring Dhoni there maybe the odd other but the game samples tend to be small, purely because doing all 3 jobs at international level over a perlonged period is tough.
    The reason the sample is small is because T20 cricket at the international level is still in its early days.

    It has only been around for 15 odd years, and within this small timeframe, we have seen a very prominent example of Dhoni doing a great job balancing the triple act.

    Over the next 50 odd years, if cricket continues in its current triple format, you will see quite a few example of WKs captaining and keeping across all three formats.

    Also, it is not very common for a WK batsman to able to hold onto his spot in all three formats for long enough to be considered for all-format captains.

    De Kock, like Dhoni, has no genuine competition South Africa as far as his status as an all-format WK is concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The reason the sample is small is because T20 cricket at the international level is still in its early days.

    It has only been around for 15 odd years, and within this small timeframe, we have seen a very prominent example of Dhoni doing a great job balancing the triple act.

    Over the next 50 odd years, if cricket continues in its current triple format, you will see quite a few example of WKs captaining and keeping across all three formats.

    Also, it is not very common for a WK batsman to able to hold onto his spot in all three formats for long enough to be considered for all-format captains.

    De Kock, like Dhoni, has no genuine competition South Africa as far as his status as an all-format WK is concerned.
    As i mentioned earlier i think QDK will do well in white ball cricket and may keep all 3 roles.

    I think test cricket wise i think QDK will find it tough and if results arent great over a decent length of time he will have captaincy taken off him maybe for Markham, who was ear marked as a possible skipper before. Depends if he can establish himself as a regular in the side first again.

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    Quinton de Kock says he has too much on his plate to be South Africa Test captain on a long-term basis.

    The Proteas' white-ball skipper this month agreed to lead his country in the longest format for the 2020-21 season.

    De Kock will take on the duties for the encounters with Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Australia, replacing Faf du Plessis after the batsman stepped down in February.

    Wicketkeeper-batsman De Kock ruled out staying on as captain, but is happy to fill in until a full-time successor to Du Plessis is appointed.

    "When they [the South Africa selectors] told me the situation that we were in, I understood where they were coming from," De Kock said ahead of the first Test against Sri Lanka, which starts on Boxing Day.

    "Obviously, I didn't accept it immediately. I did think about it and I understood, it's just for now. For this season. It's not a long-term thing.

    "It's just [until] when we get someone who really puts up their hand, they will take over. The guys are looking for a long-term leadership role. I won't be doing that.

    "There does seem a lot on my plate but I am quite happy to do it for now."

    De Kock revealed he will retain the gloves in Test cricket, so it appears Kyle Verreynne will have to be patient before he is handed a debut.

    "I wasn't going to keep in the ODIs against England. We were going to give someone else a chance and now that I am looking after the Test team, we are looking at ways to get a lot of things off my shoulders," De Kock said.

    "But in Test cricket, I need to be there as keeper."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Quinton de Kock says he has too much on his plate to be South Africa Test captain on a long-term basis.

    The Proteas' white-ball skipper this month agreed to lead his country in the longest format for the 2020-21 season.

    De Kock will take on the duties for the encounters with Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Australia, replacing Faf du Plessis after the batsman stepped down in February.

    Wicketkeeper-batsman De Kock ruled out staying on as captain, but is happy to fill in until a full-time successor to Du Plessis is appointed.

    "When they [the South Africa selectors] told me the situation that we were in, I understood where they were coming from," De Kock said ahead of the first Test against Sri Lanka, which starts on Boxing Day.

    "Obviously, I didn't accept it immediately. I did think about it and I understood, it's just for now. For this season. It's not a long-term thing.

    "It's just [until] when we get someone who really puts up their hand, they will take over. The guys are looking for a long-term leadership role. I won't be doing that.

    "There does seem a lot on my plate but I am quite happy to do it for now."

    De Kock revealed he will retain the gloves in Test cricket, so it appears Kyle Verreynne will have to be patient before he is handed a debut.

    "I wasn't going to keep in the ODIs against England. We were going to give someone else a chance and now that I am looking after the Test team, we are looking at ways to get a lot of things off my shoulders," De Kock said.

    "But in Test cricket, I need to be there as keeper."

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    Cricket South Africa need to appoint another captain post-haste. de Kock is too uninterested to be a good captain. He clearly doesn't want the job either.

    The only way I see this being a success is if he's forced to give up the gloves. Otherwise, it's probably better to appoint someone like Elgar on an interim basis.

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    He looks disinterested on the pitch, nervous and awkward during press conferences and interviews. I'm not sure he is enjoying captaining right now. Not sure he really wants to captain in tests. South Africa should appoint Markham or Elgar if they Rabada doesn't want it. De Kock should be captain in LO and maybe drop the gloves in 1 of the formats to release some pressure off him.

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    It is so frustrating to watch him lead the time. CSA need to give him a good hiding just to knock some sense into his head.

    He is incredibly talented - as talented as any WK batsman who has ever played the game, and to see how disinterested he looks as Test captain is infuriating.

    He needs to grab this opportunity with both hands because he has South African cricket at his feet right now. He is their golden boy who will be a fixture in the side for as long as he wants.

    He looks so bored and zoned out in the field it is unbelievable. He really needs to switch on and if he cannot do that himself, CSA should take matters in their own hands.

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    Quinton de Kock struggling to balance all 3 roles?

    In terms of talent and ability i think Quinton De Kock is a brilliant cricketer however with him now been made South Africa captain i can see there will come a strain of trying to balance all 3 roles. When playing in home conditions and comforts he maybe able to get on with all 3 roles. However when South Africa are playing in conditions away, where his keeping in particular will come under scrutiny and his concentration levels will be more severly tested this will start to effect other parts of his game.

    Every one has a bad test match now and then however. Here he has:-

    Failed in both inns of test, 1st inns shot was really bad.

    His keeping hasnt been up to his usual standards, keeping to spin and pacers on slower and lower wickets will test you more than in SA.

    His use or reviews has been atrocious - Poor judgement / Desperation / Also seems to at times not give another authority and allows bowlers to overrule him on DRS calls.

    Hes seems irritated all game whether he is batting or keeping and that has also transmitted into poor performance. His captaincy during game has not been great.

    Overall a talent player, but having to do all 3 roles long term i think will be damaging to the player.

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    He did admit he doesn't want to captain the team in the longer format for long and that he has only agreed to it as a stop gap arrangement till the board decides on a permanent test captain. Maybe the selectors can consider giving it to Rabada.

    Decock also suffers from the fact that he just bats in a one dimensional aggressive fashion, he can't play a grinding innings for the team

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    As i mentioned in this thread i can see QDK struggling with all 3 roles in the side and he is, its to much of a strain on any player not matter what the talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    He did admit he doesn't want to captain the team in the longer format for long and that he has only agreed to it as a stop gap arrangement till the board decides on a permanent test captain. Maybe the selectors can consider giving it to Rabada
    A fast bowler and a black? Not gonna happen for SA.

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    Why was Faf removed ?

    Just like Babar, Qdk is not captaincy material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstorm View Post
    Why was Faf removed ?

    Just like Babar, Qdk is not captaincy material.
    Honestly man he really impressed me with his field placings during this test Match

    I also had low expectations from him but he surpassed it, decent captain
    Lets see how he builds the test team that'll be an important assessment of his captaincy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigboii View Post
    Honestly man he really impressed me with his field placings during this test Match

    I also had low expectations from him but he surpassed it, decent captain
    Lets see how he builds the test team that'll be an important assessment of his captaincy
    He was decent but SA gave us this match on a platter.
    Babar's issue is his excessive reverence for seniors. Additionaly, he is an overthinker and captaincy will most definitely effect his batting.
    We need Babar the batsman more than the captain.

    Qdk from what I have seen seems to be even worse than Babar. Rabada or Markram should replace him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstorm View Post
    Why was Faf removed ?

    Just like Babar, Qdk is not captaincy material.
    Faf stepped down. He wanted to concentrate on batting.

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    He will make a comeback in next test.

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    Seems a very ordinary captain

    Doesnt seem like someones who very authoritive or has leadership skills

    Just has a blank expression n no fight at all Very unsouth african in that respect


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    Misbah is lucky he got help from SA captain. de,Kock is the worst captain I have seen in recent times.

    Just look when he asks for LBW reviews , absolutely pathetic, and not just captain , he is keeper too.

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    Considering he has played all over the world for many years, this guy's body language is awful.

    I've watched his press conferences and he looks like a rabbit in the headlights.

    Early days, but he doesn't look captaincy material.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Considering he has played all over the world for many years, this guy's body language is awful.

    I've watched his press conferences and he looks like a rabbit in the headlights.

    Early days, but he doesn't look captaincy material.
    Not even close .

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    Is Dean Elgar not allowed to captain SA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Considering he has played all over the world for many years, this guy's body language is awful.

    I've watched his press conferences and he looks like a rabbit in the headlights.

    Early days, but he doesn't look captaincy material.
    Some people are just shy and introverted. There is only so much they can do outside their comfort zone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Is Dean Elgar not allowed to captain SA?
    They probably knew de Kock will fail, after that they will bring in some black captain. Racial discrimination , now against the white cricketers , destroying SA cricket.

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    Looks lost . Doesn't inspire any confidence .

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    Rassie Van der dussen should be appointed as test captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Some people are just shy and introverted. There is only so much they can do outside their comfort zone
    In that case he shouldn't be skipper.



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    There's just too much on his plate at the moment. And he's not a particularly smart guy with leadership skills either. SA need his counter-attacking batting much more and that is being affected by the weight of captaincy. Give it to Rassie or Markram or someone. Won't change their fortunes much but it would free QDK up to play his natural game.


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    QdK is anything but a leader. I wouldn’t entertain the notion of him being a successful leader for a millisecond.

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    Pakistan should also look for someone other than Babar, probably Rizwan, to lead the test team. Both Qdk and Babar are extremely talented young cricketers but are not the captaincy material.

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    I really want him to succeed as a batsman keeper, they’re wasting him as captain which he isn’t made for. Let him play as a player, he’s too gifted.

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    Boucher said on the eve of the final Test in Rawalpindi:

    "When we get back after this tour we''ve got a bit of time before our next Test series so we can sit down and make a good, solid call on who can take over from him and release him [Quinton de Kock] from that burden and try and get the best out of him,"


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    If my skipper had the body language that de Kock had during the Test series, I would never want him to be captain again.

    Terrible attitude, body language - looked like he didn't want to be out there playing for his country.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    If my skipper had the body language that de Kock had during the Test series, I would never want him to be captain again.

    Terrible attitude, body language - looked like he didn't want to be out there playing for his country.
    Yep, he really had a "I don't care" attitude and i believe that attitude rubs off on the other players. I mean why on earth he held back Rabada to bowl on the 4th day is beyond me, just why?????

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    Not a leader, one of my favorite players currently, but not everyone should be made captain. He’s like Tendulkar in body language. Nice guy, friendly attitude (real life, not Twitter), and insanely talented, but that doesn’t mean he should lead.

    Let him play as a regular guy. Van der Dussen should be tried as captain, or they can make Markram captain, go the G Smith route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstorm View Post
    Why was Faf removed ?

    Just like Babar, Qdk is not captaincy material.
    Nah Babar is a decent captain. I’d say Rizwan is the best leader in the team, but I do not want another Sarfraz like fiasco happening where he crumbles under the pressure of captain + full time batsman + full time keeper. Not everyone is Dhoni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suleiman View Post
    Nah Babar is a decent captain. I’d say Rizwan is the best leader in the team, but I do not want another Sarfraz like fiasco happening where he crumbles under the pressure of captain + full time batsman + full time keeper. Not everyone is Dhoni.
    Leader? Most probably. Shrewd Captain? Most probably not.

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    SAF has no ATG level batsmen currently and FAF is on his last legs as well , Only Markaram and De Kock seems international level players and add Elgar in to the list as well. I can easily their batting is well below even Pak batting.

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    Where are the high calibre players like Kristen , Kallis , AB ,Amla or even Smith and Gibbs?

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    This was a rather disappointing South African lineup

    Im not denying that they have quality or they were a walk over in any way but this South African team is a shadow of what they have been in the past.
    I was used to seeing a Steyn steaming in, a Morkel or Chris Morris bouncing out the batsmen on any surface...and Philander.
    This Nortje guy wasn't as impressive and I also felt that Rabada looked a bit flat, not nearly as lethal as when I first saw him.
    Also the current batting lineup does not compare with De Villiers, Miller, Amla, Smith and Peterson.
    And where on earth was Imran Tahir ?

    All in all, I feel that had they these aforementioned players in the lineup, they would have clinched those moments in both matches where they lost the plot.


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    JP Malan and Zubayr Hamza need to be included in the team. Faf is a solid test player but I think JP Malan has a lot more potential. And Bavuma may need to be dropped as his average is too low for the amount of chances he has been given.

    The fast bowling seems pretty strong to me.

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    Body language is so important for a captain.

    Even when the chips are down, a good leader will stay positive and rally his troops.

    This guy always looks like he's about to burst into tears, which is hardly leadership material.




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