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    Is Babar Azam the benchmark in batting for his generation?

    We have number of threads of different batsmen being compared to Babar who are mostly aged between 25-27:

    Babar Azam vs QDK
    Babar Azam vs Rahul
    Babar Azam vs Iyer
    Babar Azam vs Shai Hope
    Babar Azam vs Kusal Mendis

    Looks like Babar has already set the benchmarks for his generation as he is someone who is constantly compared with.

    Comparisons sometimes arent exactly very relevant but they still keep on coming, which to be honest is understandable as there isnt anyone to compare with. QDK keeps and bats down the order in tests (Completely different game required), Rahul now keeps on ODIs and plays as a floater and doesnt seem to be playing tests, Iyer has just started and hasnt debuted in tests, Kusal Medis averages 29 in ODIs while Shai Hope averages 27 in tests. However, even when all of these are to be compared with someone Babar Azam is the one who they are compared with irrespective of the differences.

    So is Babar Azam already the benchmark for his generation and we are gonna see many such comparisons in future as well?
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    On this forum, sure.

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    Yes he is the best bat from current generation. So drawing parallels with his contemporaries is natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diffusion View Post
    On this forum, sure.
    Who is the benchmark for the batsmen aged below 27 elsewhere? As I personally cant think of many names.

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    Babar is the only good bat Pak have.So he's compared to everyone from Kohli to Labushagne


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    He is a batting genius and the only batsman in the world who is ranked top 5 in every format. He has scored runs everywhere. He is respected all over the world. The new generation looks up to him. So yes, he is the benchmark.

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    Only on Pakpassion

    Babar Azam has lot to prove before he becomes a benchmark or anything. England & New Zealand test series and T20 world cup can be the turning point of his career

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    Absolutely. I was at the game at Aitchison today and everyone was all praise for him.8 heard two young boys who would be in middle school praising his immaculate and methodical way of approaching an innings at such a young age and Ehsan Mani also told me they are grooming him as all format skipper and he is exceptionally talented. Even a middle aged woman was going around asking if he will be present because she wanted a photographer with her and so did her children.

    Superstar.

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    First time I saw Babar Azam play an impactful and game changing innings was against NZ in the WC2019, he needs a lot more like this

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    Pakpassion is a Pakistani forum. So, the best all format talent Pakistan has produced across past two decades has to be compared with every young talent across the world.

    He is hoped to reach the level of Kohli but IMO it's too early to make a point on that. I personally think he will end up being as good as Root and Kane and Quinton de kock should also end up around about there as a player.

    Too early to conclude on Rahul as he hasn't made his return to test team.

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    He is very consistent and one of the better batsmen we have produced in a long time. However, he needs to prove himself in NZ,SA and AUS and really win some big games himself and show his class.

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    he did quite well in Australia recently, but he needs to work on getting big hundreds.

    He played well in england in 2018 before he got injured.

    South Africa he did well. Look at his shots against Dale Steyn - he totally dominated him.

    NZ is the only country left in test matches.


    Best thing about him is he is not arrogant and has worked on his game a lot. I hope our batsmen learn that more than anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Pakpassion is a Pakistani forum.
    While its true but threads of comparison with Rahul, Iyer and Mendis were started by Indian posters. So its not like only Pakistani posters or fans compare him and to be honest as I said that it pretty understandable as well to compare a good young prospect with him as he has been setting the bar for young players.

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    Babar Azam is the most humble, non-controversial, and efficient Pakistani batsman I have seen in my lifetime. I think he should be the benchmark as of now.


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    For sure. He is the next sensation after Kohli/Smith, so benchmarks are natural.

    Our parosis try to stuff Kapil in every ATG allrounder comparisons on the other hand (ATG teams). That too when Dev bhai isn't included in any credible ATG lists by any of the greats or esteemed authors.

    So... it's unfair to say "It's a PAK forum".

    When parosis e.g. @Ab Fan are forcibly including Kapil's name even when nobody else (respected neutral) includes him (though he was obviously quite good!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    Still waiting for your claim that Bangladesh produces the second most talented batsmens after India in SC.
    lol, im curious too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    For sure. He is the next sensation after Kohli/Smith, so benchmarks are natural.
    Babar has just 1 test century away from home...
    And he is next sensation after Smith and Kohli ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiderreddy View Post
    Babar has just 1 test century away from home...
    And he is next sensation after Smith and Kohli ?
    Well pointed out, usual brain fade comment from @Hawkeye

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiderreddy View Post
    Babar has just 1 test century away from home...
    So 1 test ton away from home and yet he is a benchmark in this forum. What could be the reason?


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    No. lol We are also having a lot of Umar Akmal vs ... threads as well.

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    Is Babar Azam is a world class bat? Yes!
    Is Babar Azam is the benchmark? No!
    Is Babar Azam a match-winner? No again!

    Even Shahid Afridi despite being an epitome of inconsistency, won matches on his day for his country. What has Babar achieved for Pakistan besides that one semi-final game against NZ? Zilch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    So 1 test ton away from home and yet he is a benchmark in this forum. What could be the reason?
    even that was a 'useless' ton if we apply certain logic used here


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    So 1 test ton away from home and yet he is a benchmark in this forum. What could be the reason?
    He is humble.
    He is non-controversial.
    He has been quite efficient and consistent in LOI.
    He is an anomaly because normally Pakistani batsmen become disorganized after a while (like Umar Akmal).

    I think he should be an ODI benchmark for future generations. I think he is on his way to be a Pakistani ATG.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    He is humble.
    He is non-controversial.
    He has been quite efficient and consistent in LOI.
    He is an anomaly because normally Pakistani batsmen become disorganized after a while (like Umar Akmal).

    I think he should be an ODI benchmark for future generations. I think he is on his way to be a Pakistani ATG.
    Correction: ODI benchmark for future generations in Pakistan. Others have better benchmarks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    For sure. He is the next sensation after Kohli/Smith, so benchmarks are natural.

    Our parosis try to stuff Kapil in every ATG allrounder comparisons on the other hand (ATG teams). That too when Dev bhai isn't included in any credible ATG lists by any of the greats or esteemed authors.

    So... it's unfair to say "It's a PAK forum".

    When parosis e.g. @Ab Fan are forcibly including Kapil's name even when nobody else (respected neutral) includes him (though he was obviously quite good!).
    Good to know this today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Correction: ODI benchmark for future generations in Pakistan. Others have better benchmarks.
    I believe this thread was created with Pakistani generations in mind. Other countries obviously have other players to look forward to.


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    Babar is a world class player, but he is capitalizing on Pakistanís mediocrity. If Pakistan wasnít a rubbish team in all formats and if he wasnít the only world class batsman in the country, it would be hard for him to stand out.

    If Iyer was in Pakistan and Babar was in India, Iyer would be Babar today and Babar would be Iyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Babar is a world class player, but he is capitalizing on Pakistanís mediocrity. If Pakistan wasnít a rubbish team in all formats and if he wasnít the only world class batsman in the country, it would be hard for him to stand out.

    If Iyer was in Pakistan and Babar was in India, Iyer would be Babar today and Babar would be Iyer.
    Iyer's footwork alone (or the lack of it) makes him a way inferior player to Babar Azam.

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    No need for mental gymnastics here.

    Which batsman who is around 25 years old (say between 23 and 27) is better than him at the moment?

    A straightforward question.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    No need for mental gymnastics here.

    Which batsman who is around 25 years old (say between 23 and 27) is better than him at the moment?

    A straightforward question.
    If you ask a certain poster. He'll tell you that Iyer, Rahul ,Gill are all way better and versatile than babar. Who by a fluke is ranked higher than all indian batters except kohli in tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    No need for mental gymnastics here.

    Which batsman who is around 25 years old (say between 23 and 27) is better than him at the moment?

    A straightforward question.
    Labuschagne in Tests definitely. KL Rahul T20. De kock in one dayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Labuschagne in Tests definitely. KL Rahul T20. De kock in one dayer.
    We are talking about all 3 formats here. Smith is better than Kohli in Tests and there are numerous players better than Kohli in t20s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    No need for mental gymnastics here.

    Which batsman who is around 25 years old (say between 23 and 27) is better than him at the moment?

    A straightforward question.
    Not as a pure batsmen but a wicket keeper batsmen Quinton de Kock.

    15 ODI hundreds Vs 11 to Babar and at higher Strike Rate.

    In tests, the benchmark set by Gilchrist for greatness of keeper batsmen at no.7 is 15 test hundreds and average around 45. de Kock has 5 already and averages 39 with his peak days ahead of him. He has a hundred each in India and Australia and both were really phenomenal innings and not just away hundreds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smudger View Post
    We are talking about all 3 formats here. Smith is better than Kohli in Tests and there are numerous players better than Kohli in t20s
    So basically he is the benchmark when you use filters like all three formats + 25-27 age group. I am comparing only within that group. Even within that group he is not far and above any players. We are not even talking about Warner, Kohli, Root, Williamson, Finch, Rohit sharma, Dhawan and so many guys in other age groups. Among all the age groups Smith is probably the only one better than Kohli. But if you include all the age group in each format many players are better than Babar who has full control over his batting position. He will definitely keep scoring runs just like everyone else in different formats. He has to do a lot more to stand out.

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    Babar is certainly a benchmark for his team and future Pakistan players. not the world ..

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    The hate and jealousy by Indians in regards Babar is in full display. Long may it continue.

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    To answer the OP. Yes he is comfortably at the moment.

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    It amazes how even the most knowledgeable cricket fans lack the ability to spot talent.

    Babar has been criticized since he made his debut and he has yet lived up to all expectations of him.

    Yes, he is Pakistani but his talent has been noticed and appreciated wherever he has gone.

    Does he have a long way to go before he can ďset benchmarks for battingĒ? Absolutely.

    But is he better than anyone outside the Fav 4 across all three formats? Yes he is.

    Average of 50+ in LOís and 45 in Test is no small feat for a 25 year old who has been playing international cricket for ~5 years.

    And I love how after one T20 series, QDK is all of a sudden better even though he averages less in all three formats despite playing 2 1/2 years more simply because he can play at a better SR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Labuschagne in Tests definitely. KL Rahul T20. De kock in one dayer.
    So 3 players good in each format respectively had to be combined to take down Babar. This itself shows how good Babar has been overall.

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    Babar is a class act no doubt , and he has humility in abundance which is a great trait to have to ensure further success and longevity.

    At the moment though itís fair to say Babar is going through a purple patch in all forms.

    The tests will come in the next few years . Thereís two t20 world cups and tough test series .
    For me whatís missing is Babar leading Pak in a high scoring pressure run chase . I believe itís yet to happen and especially in a ICC event .

    The New Zealand World Cup was a great Knock ( I was there) but it was a middling score.

    If he can lead Pakistan to victory chasing a 170-180 plus in a t20 pressure game then that would a another feather in his cap . Inshallah


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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    The hate and jealousy by Indians in regards Babar is in full display. Long may it continue.
    Not hate. It is a fact. you try to project him as numero uno for the entire world. That is what some disagree with. Otherwise no other disagreements. When you talk about benchmark you should not use "age limit". Williamson is only 3 years older than Babar Azam. You sound like he is like 10 years old than him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenKhan View Post
    Babar is a class act no doubt , and he has humility in abundance which is a great trait to have to ensure further success and longevity.

    At the moment though it’s fair to say Babar is going through a purple patch in all forms.

    The tests will come in the next few years . There’s two t20 world cups and tough test series .
    For me what’s missing is Babar leading Pak in a high scoring pressure run chase . I believe it’s yet to happen and especially in a ICC event .

    The New Zealand World Cup was a great Knock ( I was there) but it was a middling score.

    If he can lead Pakistan to victory chasing a 170-180 plus in a t20 pressure game then that would a another feather in his cap . Inshallah
    I think you are 100% correct here.

    Babar is not yet a finished product. He has huge potential and his real tests will likely begin in the upcoming tours. He has the chance to cement his legacy permanently.

    He has age on his side and hence he can grow year by year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    So 3 players good in each format respectively had to be combined to take down Babar. This itself shows how good Babar has been overall.
    In that age group 25 to 27. WIthin that age group where he doesn't have competition, he should dominate atleast in one format. He is consistent. Being consistent is just enough to maintain an average is not benchmark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    In that age group 25 to 27. WIthin that age group where he doesn't have competition, he should dominate atleast in one format. He is consistent. Being consistent is just enough to maintain an average is not benchmark.
    What are you talking about? Babar has been dominating T20Is for the past 2 years, as shown by the ICC rankings. Since Babar has been number 1, Pakistan has also been number 1 in T20Is. In ODIs, he is number 3, was number 2 at one point. In test, he is number 5 (has a higher average then fab 4 in the last 2 years).

    Babar is the only one who is dominating. The others aren't even in the top 20 in all formats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Babar is a world class player, but he is capitalizing on Pakistan’s mediocrity. If Pakistan wasn’t a rubbish team in all formats and if he wasn’t the only world class batsman in the country, it would be hard for him to stand out.

    If Iyer was in Pakistan and Babar was in India, Iyer would be Babar today and Babar would be Iyer.
    By your logic if Babar stands out as a player in a multi teams tournament then you would concede to the fact that he is the batting benchmark? Let's say we have 2 T20 WCs and a ODI WC in the next few years, if Babar is the standout bat in these tournaments then we agree that he is the batting benchmark of this generation?

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    Every chance he will get even better, but there will be tough times and bad patches too.

    However I fully expect him to be one of Pakistan's greatest ever batsmen.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    What are you talking about? Babar has been dominating T20Is for the past 2 years, as shown by the ICC rankings. Since Babar has been number 1, Pakistan has also been number 1 in T20Is. In ODIs, he is number 3, was number 2 at one point. In test, he is number 5 (has a higher average then fab 4 in the last 2 years).

    Babar is the only one who is dominating. The others aren't even in the top 20 in all formats.
    T20 Ranking holds very little. They use the same formula they use for ODI/Tests. It is incorrect. He is no giant in T20. Not even close to the atleast 5 English batsmen they have in their line up. It is a format for impact players. Raking up numbers there don't really help your side much. He comes below guys like Aaron Finch and many other T20 dashers. You seriously think anyone will aspire to be Babar Azam in T20 not Chris Gayle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    I think you are 100% correct here.

    Babar is not yet a finished product. He has huge potential and his real tests will likely begin in the upcoming tours. He has the chance to cement his legacy permanently.

    He has age on his side and hence he can grow year by year.
    Thanks ! Yes he has time on his side and Iím sure he can step up to the plate . Iím sure he will have blips , but a few good solid batsman along side Babar well help Pakistan overcome those blips .
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    Babar is now scoring runs in tests, which a makes him a top three format player. Not much people are better than him if you look at three formats combined. He is the best batsman in his age group. QDK is more destructive than Babar, but he has failed on the big stage and Babar is more consistent. This is why he is the benchmark amongst his generation as he is consistently good across formats, and he did well in his only WC so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    T20 Ranking holds very little. They use the same formula they use for ODI/Tests. It is incorrect. He is no giant in T20. Not even close to the atleast 5 English batsmen they have in their line up. It is a format for impact players. Raking up numbers there don't really help your side much. He comes below guys like Aaron Finch and many other T20 dashers. You seriously think anyone will aspire to be Babar Azam in T20 not Chris Gayle?
    A guy who averages 57.23 @ 131.44 against SENA and has been consistently number 1 for the past couple of years isn't even among the top players?... I don't believe you...i'll stick with the ICC rating which takes everything from the opposition to SR into account and determines the top players in the world.

    Even some random players with power-hitting can play impactful innings here and there. Moen Ali scored 39 from 11 balls, I suppose he is better than Babar as well....not that Moen Ali is just random or a bad player.

    While Babar has dominated the T20 format for a while now, Rahul may overtake him if he keeps performing the way he is. Rahul's performances have been great, and the rankings clearly show that. When/If he overtakes Babar in the ranking then he will have earned the right to be called the best T20 player at that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Extra_Cover View Post
    By your logic if Babar stands out as a player in a multi teams tournament then you would concede to the fact that he is the batting benchmark? Let's say we have 2 T20 WCs and a ODI WC in the next few years, if Babar is the standout bat in these tournaments then we agree that he is the batting benchmark of this generation?
    Not really. For example, Iyer might be in even better form, but he might not get the chance to shine if Rohit, Rahul/Dhawan and Kohli are in form in the top 3.

    On the other hand, Babar will always get the opportunity to capitalize on his good form and make an impact because our openers will never score enough, or spend enough time at the crease, to steal Babarís runs and prevent him from getting the spotlight.

    A world class player playing for a pathetic team can be a blessing and a curse. The blessing for Babar is that he gets a lot of attention and his performance is highlighted more since pretty much everyone around him is awful.

    The curse for Babar is that a lot of his good performances wonít end up as match-winning efforts, since his runs will be countered by the failures of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    A guy who averages 57.23 @ 131.44 against SENA and has been consistently number 1 for the past couple of years isn't even among the top players?... I don't believe you...i'll stick with the ICC rating which takes everything from the opposition to SR into account and determines the top players in the world.

    Even some random players with power-hitting can play impactful innings here and there. Moen Ali scored 39 from 11 balls, I suppose he is better than Babar as well....not that Moen Ali is just random or a bad player.

    While Babar has dominated the T20 format for a while now, Rahul may overtake him if he keeps performing the way he is. Rahul's performances have been great, and the rankings clearly show that. When/If he overtakes Babar in the ranking then he will have earned the right to be called the best T20 player at that time.
    Look at the rankings of T20

    Babar Azam , Rahul, Finch, Munro, Malan, Maxwell, Evin Lewis, Zazal , Kohli, Rohit. How do you think Zazai got ahead of Kohli, Rohit, Morgan. He bullied Ireland with 162 , 74, 82. Never played against any big teams and scored. Are we supposed to think this guy is better than so many other guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Look at the rankings of T20

    Babar Azam , Rahul, Finch, Munro, Malan, Maxwell, Evin Lewis, Zazal , Kohli, Rohit. How do you think Zazai got ahead of Kohli, Rohit, Morgan. He bullied Ireland with 162 , 74, 82. Never played against any big teams and scored. Are we supposed to think this guy is better than so many other guys?
    This doesn't apply to Babar because his performance against top teams are great. Also, his ranking in Test and ODI validates his T20 ranking.

    Players like Rohit, Roy, Butler, and even Jonny have not been consistent enough to be in top 5. It's great that they can score at a SR of > 180 but if they go missing for several innings then clearly that will affect their ranking. Some of these player average low 30s or mid 20s, that shows their reliability.

    I've seen some of these impact players in PSL play couple of great innings but they mostly failed and their team was knocked out of the tournament before they could even qualify for the play-offs.

    Zazai has only played few matches but his performance against Ireland is probably the greatest performance in a series against a team, even though the team is clearly weak, but once he plays top oppositions his ranking will be adjusted depending on how he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    This doesn't apply to Babar because his performance against top teams are great. Also, his ranking in Test and ODI validates his T20 ranking.

    Players like Rohit, Roy, Butler, and even Jonny have not been consistent enough to be in top 5. It's great that they can score at a SR of > 180 but if they go missing for several innings then clearly that will affect their ranking. Some of these player average low 30s or mid 20s, that shows their reliability.

    I've seen some of these impact players in PSL play couple of great innings but they mostly failed and their team was knocked out of the tournament before they could even qualify for the play-offs.

    Zazai has only played few matches but his performance against Ireland is probably the greatest performance in a series against a team, even though the team is clearly weak, but once he plays top oppositions his ranking will be adjusted depending on how he does.
    Aaron Finch score in recent times are 64, 0, 37, 37*, 17, 52*. Before that 1,0,3,1,7,27,0,28,0,8. It is astonishing that he just needed a couple of good innings to become world no.3 ranked player in T20. Since 2014 Finch has never dropped below 5 rank. It definitely needs to be revised. Even that run of low scores didn't kick him out of top 10 ranking. one theory is many of the top players don't participate in every series or every match of a series. They play one match here and there. The calculation is based on series as well not just match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Aaron Finch score in recent times are 64, 0, 37, 37*, 17, 52*. Before that 1,0,3,1,7,27,0,28,0,8. It is astonishing that he just needed a couple of good innings to become world no.3 ranked player in T20. Since 2014 Finch has never dropped below 5 rank. It definitely needs to be revised. Even that run of low scores didn't kick him out of top 10 ranking. one theory is many of the top players don't participate in every series or every match of a series. They play one match here and there. The calculation is based on series as well not just match.
    In 2018 and 2019, he averaged 40.85 @ 176.41 and 35.83 @ 158.09. Those are great numbers when you look at the SR. I believe ICC also considers "not outs".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Aaron Finch score in recent times are 64, 0, 37, 37*, 17, 52*. Before that 1,0,3,1,7,27,0,28,0,8. It is astonishing that he just needed a couple of good innings to become world no.3 ranked player in T20. Since 2014 Finch has never dropped below 5 rank. It definitely needs to be revised. Even that run of low scores didn't kick him out of top 10 ranking. one theory is many of the top players don't participate in every series or every match of a series. They play one match here and there. The calculation is based on series as well not just match.
    It's not a theory. For every match missed you lose points. For skipping entire series having 4-5 T-20, you will lose lots of points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    It's not a theory. For every match missed you lose points. For skipping entire series having 4-5 T-20, you will lose lots of points.
    yes. Many top players miss a lot of matches for their countries. Kohli in last 3 years out of 53 matches played by India he missed 21 matches. Root in the last 3 years has missed 17 of the 25 matches. Williamson has missed 13 of the 35 matches NZ played. KL Rahul missed 19 matches out of 53 matches in the last 3 years.

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    Home track bullying against second string Bangladesh or comparable sides won't make him a benchmark for anyone. Like a couple of posters said, he is lucky to play for Pakistan or his Test career would have been done by now.

    As for ODIs, he is very consistent there, and surely one of the top 5 statistically. However, he is still not an impact player and lacks a couple of gears to be an elite ODI player. Still very good though, specially by Pakistani standards.

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    Too young and unproven to be benchmark but he is the best batsman in his age group. First time that can be said about any Pakistani batsman I guess, this guy is going to be a legend.

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    He is the best of his generation so far. That said, I see a lot about T20s on this thread. Players like Babar are not good at T20s, just like Root, Kohli, Smith etc. are not either. The whole English T20 batting line up is more useful to have than someone with a strike rate of 128 in T20s, unless you're chasing a low total

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    Quote Originally Posted by viveks View Post
    He is the best of his generation so far. That said, I see a lot about T20s on this thread. Players like Babar are not good at T20s, just like Root, Kohli, Smith etc. are not either. The whole English T20 batting line up is more useful to have than someone with a strike rate of 128 in T20s, unless you're chasing a low total
    Kohli's T20I career avg: 51, SR : 138. He has multiple gears. He has played many innings with a SR of more than 170.

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    Some people are just too impatient to allow a player to progress I guess. There is no one discounting Babar credentials. He is a fantastic young batsman and future potential great but not right now.
    You just canít call a player with just 5000 odd international runs across formats as benchmark, legend etc.. itís too early and he has to continue like this for 5 years atleast. You will just be disappointed in end if you set lofty standards and he cannot achieve..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    While its true but threads of comparison with Rahul, Iyer and Mendis were started by Indian posters. So its not like only Pakistani posters or fans compare him and to be honest as I said that it pretty understandable as well to compare a good young prospect with him as he has been setting the bar for young players.
    Indian posters know that they get mileage here if they start such threads...

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    Babar has long way to go.He needs to score few 150+ score in ODI, 200+in test against some good teams to be one of the benchmark.

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    abs joke.....

    for this current time, the benchmarks are

    Smith in tests
    Kholi in ODI
    Babar in T20

    Overall Benchmark - Kholi

    there are no questions abt this... anyone who does, well i pray for ur instant recovery

    Also, comparing Babar to anyone but Smith, Kholi and Williamson is a similar pile of bird poop

    He has out shined everyone else... its now upto babar where he wants to end up, does he want to take on King Kholi or test best smith .... or is he happy with the no4 position on Fab-4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Not really. For example, Iyer might be in even better form, but he might not get the chance to shine if Rohit, Rahul/Dhawan and Kohli are in form in the top 3.

    On the other hand, Babar will always get the opportunity to capitalize on his good form and make an impact because our openers will never score enough, or spend enough time at the crease, to steal Babar’s runs and prevent him from getting the spotlight.

    A world class player playing for a pathetic team can be a blessing and a curse. The blessing for Babar is that he gets a lot of attention and his performance is highlighted more since pretty much everyone around him is awful.

    The curse for Babar is that a lot of his good performances won’t end up as match-winning efforts, since his runs will be countered by the failures of others.
    Going by what you said if Babar has a standout world tournament in batting then he is better than the likes of Rohit but not so against the likes of Iyer?

    Bottomline is if Babar does end up having a great world tournament then his staunchest of critics would also have to concede to the fact that he is a batting superstar of this generation.

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    No, he is not. He has a lot to improve upon, but jokers here comparing him to every Tom, Dick and Harry need to give it a rest.

    But Babar is no way the benchmark for T20 cricket. He is the number one batsman because he is consistent, but until he learns how to dominate bowling attacks, there will always be question marks. He has it in him to dominate. The way he played Cummins and Starc in that short innings against Australia in the WC, is testament to that fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rellu_Katta View Post
    abs joke.....

    for this current time, the benchmarks are

    Smith in tests
    Kholi in ODI
    Babar in T20

    Overall Benchmark - Kholi

    there are no questions abt this... anyone who does, well i pray for ur instant recovery

    Also, comparing Babar to anyone but Smith, Kholi and Williamson is a similar pile of bird poop

    He has out shined everyone else... its now upto babar where he wants to end up, does he want to take on King Kholi or test best smith .... or is he happy with the no4 position on Fab-4
    T20I stats
    Kohli : 2794 runs, 50.80 avg, 138 SR
    Rahul : 1461 runs, 45.65 avg, 146 SR
    Finch : 1878 runs, 38.68 avg, 156 SR
    Babar : 1471 runs, 50.72 avg, 128 SR

    There are at least 3 batsmen who have better t20I stats than Babar...How can Babar be the benchmark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rellu_Katta View Post
    abs joke.....

    for this current time, the benchmarks are

    Smith in tests
    Kholi in ODI
    Babar in T20

    Overall Benchmark - Kholi

    there are no questions abt this... anyone who does, well i pray for ur instant recovery

    Also, comparing Babar to anyone but Smith, Kholi and Williamson is a similar pile of bird poop

    He has out shined everyone else... its now upto babar where he wants to end up, does he want to take on King Kholi or test best smith .... or is he happy with the no4 position on Fab-4
    Well I guess you havent really read the opening post or understood the title. No problem, let me explain.

    Kohli, Smith etc are not from Babar’s generation when we talk about cricketing generations. As mentioned in the opening post that generation we are talking about is below 27. Kohli is obviously the benchmark for everyone but the comparison here is for the next cricketing generation of batsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiderreddy View Post
    T20I stats
    Kohli : 2794 runs, 50.80 avg, 138 SR
    Rahul : 1461 runs, 45.65 avg, 146 SR
    Finch : 1878 runs, 38.68 avg, 156 SR
    Babar : 1471 runs, 50.72 avg, 128 SR

    There are at least 3 batsmen who have better t20I stats than Babar...How can Babar be the benchmark
    Kohli could be the #1 batsman in all three formats if he didn't skip T20 internationals. Would have been a cool achievement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    No need for mental gymnastics here.

    Which batsman who is around 25 years old (say between 23 and 27) is better than him at the moment?

    A straightforward question.
    A straightforward reply to this : No one.


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    Using age as a criteria is just pointless.
    Virat kohli, steve smith, kane Williamson are the best batsmen in the world and they are the benchmark.
    Babar is the best batsman aged 25 but that doesn't mean he is the benchmark, the fab four are the idols for all youngsters , i don't know any youngster who idolizes babar. Babar needs to continue this for 2-3 years more in order to get anywhere close to fab four.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waleed93 View Post
    A straightforward reply to this : No one.
    Marnus Rahul de Kock is the right answer it seems


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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    Using age as a criteria is just pointless.
    Virat kohli, steve smith, kane Williamson are the best batsmen in the world and they are the benchmark.
    Babar is the best batsman aged 25 but that doesn't mean he is the benchmark, the fab four are the idols for all youngsters , i don't know any youngster who idolizes babar. Babar needs to continue this for 2-3 years more in order to get anywhere close to fab four.
    I think young players from their respective countries will look to their own superstars be it the Virat Kohlis, KW's and Steve Smiths and that's no disrespect to Babar Azam by any means. He's a great player and now stamping his authority on the world map.

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    What does benchmark for his generation/age-group even mean? Do cricket fans or aspiring cricketers decide to rate or benchmark themselves against players based on age groups? LOL you guys.

    It's clear the lack of a single star player in Pakistan for well over a decade and a half has taken its toll on fans and threads/OPs like this one betrays this desperation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    No need for mental gymnastics here.

    Which batsman who is around 25 years old (say between 23 and 27) is better than him at the moment?

    A straightforward question.
    How do you freeze the age at around 25?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    How do you freeze the age at around 25?
    It's just a discussion point, no one is freezing anything.

    We can just phrase it as "Who is the best batsman in the world after the Fab 4 generation (who are all between 29 and 31)" if that helps.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    It's just a discussion point, no one is freezing anything.

    We can just phrase it as "Who is the best batsman in the world after the Fab 4 generation (who are all between 29 and 31)" if that helps.
    Saying that babbar azam is the 5th best batsman currently playing is a *wholly* different thing from being the benchmark for his generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Marnus Rahul de Kock is the right answer it seems
    Across formats, there is no comparison with Marnus who is basically a Test specialist until now. Rahul may slightly edge it in T20Is and QdK is a keeper-batsman so it's tough to compare Babar with him.

    If you combine the 3 formats, Babar is on another planet compared to Rahul and Labu.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Well I guess you havent really read the opening post or understood the title. No problem, let me explain.

    Kohli, Smith etc are not from Babar’s generation when we talk about cricketing generations. As mentioned in the opening post that generation we are talking about is below 27. Kohli is obviously the benchmark for everyone but the comparison here is for the next cricketing generation of batsmen.
    was sayig joke abt other posters...

    but its unfair to compare babar with anyone other than smith and kholi ...

    he has elevated himself above the rest..

    so its unfair with the rest


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