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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    You don't need a time machine to offer opinions. In my opinion he will not dominate series overseas in the manner which Kohli did. Hardly any Asian batters in history have done what Kohli did in those countries. So why should I expect Babar to do it lol?
    Yes i also do not expect babar or any other asian batsmen to average 36 in both england and new zealand like kohli. Babars average of 65 in england and 50 something in newzealand isnt good enough to match those standards. And u might say that kohli averages 50 something in south africa and austrailia and only averages low in englad due to his 2014 tour then babar as well only averages low in austrailia due to his 2016 tour which was only is second or first year in international cricket. I still beleive that babar can surpass kohli in test but not is odis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    You don't need a time machine to offer opinions. In my opinion he will not dominate series overseas in the manner which Kohli did. Hardly any Asian batters in history have done what Kohli did in those countries. So why should I expect Babar to do it lol?
    I had issue with you saying 'Babar will never do that.' You are making it seem like Babar is some club level player. He is a top class player and he is not even in his peak yet. I am not denying Kohli has been really good overseas, but you can't say for certain that Babar will not have great overseas series in the future. How can one predict that? Lets not forget Kohli gets longer series in Australia and England, and he was age 29 in the 2018 series vs England. Babar has the time and the quality to dominate in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Viper View Post
    I had issue with you saying 'Babar will never do that.' You are making it seem like Babar is some club level player. He is a top class player and he is not even in his peak yet. I am not denying Kohli has been really good overseas, but you can't say for certain that Babar will not have great overseas series in the future. How can one predict that? Lets not forget Kohli gets longer series in Australia and England, and he was age 29 in the 2018 series vs England. Babar has the time and the quality to dominate in the future.

    I never said Babar is a club level player. But you need to understand not many Asian batters in history have had those series. So to expect Babar when he is playing for a rubbish team is unfair and unrealistic. He can definitely score a century in those countries and have am average of above 40 which is a very good achievement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHN1293 View Post
    Yes i also do not expect babar or any other asian batsmen to average 36 in both england and new zealand like kohli. Babars average of 65 in england and 50 something in newzealand isnt good enough to match those standards. And u might say that kohli averages 50 something in south africa and austrailia and only averages low in englad due to his 2014 tour then babar as well only averages low in austrailia due to his 2016 tour which was only is second or first year in international cricket. I still beleive that babar can surpass kohli in test but not is odis.
    I think so too. Not surpass but match him.

    Not in odi and T20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHN1293 View Post
    Yes i also do not expect babar or any other asian batsmen to average 36 in both england and new zealand like kohli. Babars average of 65 in england and 50 something in newzealand isnt good enough to match those standards. And u might say that kohli averages 50 something in south africa and austrailia and only averages low in englad due to his 2014 tour then babar as well only averages low in austrailia due to his 2016 tour which was only is second or first year in international cricket. I still beleive that babar can surpass kohli in test but not is odis.
    Babar is not surpassing Kohli in any format. Lower your expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Babar is not surpassing Kohli in any format. Lower your expectations.
    I agree with this. Fans are unnecessarily setting very high expectations. At its peak, Kohli was hitting double hundreds for fun, he got about 4 double hundreds I guess around a year time.

    Babar doesn't have the ruthlessness of Kohli to surpass him in any format. He is talented enough but he is in a similar mould to Root or Williamson than Smith/Kohli as a test batter.

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    Babar is head and shoulders above any batsman we have produced in the last 20 years and has a great work ethic. If he is to become one for the ages and match the likes of Kohli in Limited overs cricket- he needs to develop his power game and hit more sixes. He is more like Amla( hitting lots of 4s) than a Kohli but a bit of work in the gym and Babar can take his game to a totally new level and match Kohli. As a test batsman he is already very good but he cant afford losses of concentration like at OT when he restarted the next day and give soft dismissals. His innings at Rose ball, when he got 40+ was exceptional in the conditions and showed great technique and willingness to battle it out, which neither Inzi or MY had, even though those 2 were more talented than Babar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    I agree with this. Fans are unnecessarily setting very high expectations. At its peak, Kohli was hitting double hundreds for fun, he got about 4 double hundreds I guess around a year time.

    Babar doesn't have the ruthlessness of Kohli to surpass him in any format. He is talented enough but he is in a similar mould to Root or Williamson than Smith/Kohli as a test batter.

    Babar is nearly 26 and he hasn't shown any signs of getting big scores in tests after getting good starts. He also has serious issues with acceleration.

    He is and will be a brilliant player, but he is not going to surpass Kohli .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Babar is nearly 26 and he hasn't shown any signs of getting big scores in tests after getting good starts. He also has serious issues with acceleration.

    He is and will be a brilliant player, but he is not going to surpass Kohli .
    Surpass is hard yes but he can match Kohli in tests.

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    Third consecutive 50 for Babar in National T20 cup 2020. 56* off 33 now.

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    59* off 36 balls for Babar so far vs Balochistan - his third consecutive fifty.

    Babar also with this score becomes the fastest to 1000 runs in the National T20 Cup - he reached the milestone in 27 innings.

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    So the Question is about ‘his generation’. Where does Virat Kohli or Smith come into this discussion unless you purposely are looking for excuses to put the man down?

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    Is Babar Azam the bench mark for his generation? That’s an Emphatic yes!

    He is a text book batsman. His shots are near perfect in their technique. He has inspired all the FC pros around the world who are growing up as batsman, who are around his age or who are just entering first class cricket.

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    I reiterate

    How can you surpass Kohli if you are playing 1/5 of the amount of games he plays for his country in a calendar year and that too against the high quality oppositions????

    On an even platform, Babar outclassed Kohli in the 2019 World Cup. This was his first wc whilst Virat was playing his 3rd. On the basis of talent and batsmanship, Babar is on par with Kohli even though he is 4-5 years younger.

    No need to lower your expectations as some jokers claim here. ICC need to up their game and give Pakistan a proper fixture schedule which is currently non existent!

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    Fab 4 is not of Babar's generation. One is about to hit his peak years where as others are either at their fag end or passed their peak. So its not fair to compare Babar with Kohli like it was not fair to compare Kohli with ABDV.

    Players than Babar should be compared with are - Lokesh Rahul, Mayank Aggarwal, Marnus Labuschange, Ollie Pope, Shai Hope, Nicholas Pooran, Avishka Fernando, Shreyas Iyer, Tom Latham etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    I reiterate

    How can you surpass Kohli if you are playing 1/5 of the amount of games he plays for his country in a calendar year and that too against the high quality oppositions????

    On an even platform, Babar outclassed Kohli in the 2019 World Cup. This was his first wc whilst Virat was playing his 3rd. On the basis of talent and batsmanship, Babar is on par with Kohli even though he is 4-5 years younger.

    No need to lower your expectations as some jokers claim here. ICC need to up their game and give Pakistan a proper fixture schedule which is currently non existent!
    On the same platform Rohit Sharma outclassed both Babar and Rohit. So Rohit is better than both? It dont work in that way. Who is a better player needs to access based on overall career records and not events in sylo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    On the same platform Rohit Sharma outclassed both Babar and Rohit. So Rohit is better than both? It dont work in that way. Who is a better player needs to access based on overall career records and not events in sylo.
    Errmm yes he is.

    He is a tier above Babar and is the best ODI batsman in the world right now. Yes.... even better than Kohli.

    A better example you could have used is Shakib Al Hasan who outscored Kohli, Smith, Root, Williamson and Babar himself on the same "even platform". I guess shakib is better than all these......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesozoic View Post
    Errmm yes he is.

    He is a tier above Babar and is the best ODI batsman in the world right now. Yes.... even better than Kohli.

    A better example you could have used is Shakib Al Hasan who outscored Kohli, Smith, Root, Williamson and Babar himself on the same "even platform". I guess shakib is better than all these......
    Nothing to stop Shak kicking on besides himself. He is only to blame for not being in the elite category right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Viper View Post
    Today's brilliant effort.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Today's brilliant effort.

    So easy for him.

    This artist should not be here, he should be in The UAE right now entertaining the world. Major travesty to not have Babar at least in the IPL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Is Babar Azam the bench mark for his generation? That’s an Emphatic yes!

    He is a text book batsman. His shots are near perfect in their technique. He has inspired all the FC pros around the world who are growing up as batsman, who are around his age or who are just entering first class cricket.
    Which FC pro has Babar inspired? Haven't heard any Indian batsmen saying he was inspired by Babar.

    Though almost every India left arm pacer says he was inspired by Wasim Akram. Thats called being a benchmark.

    Babar is a very good batsman, but the inspiration for this generation is a Kohli or a Smith or Williamson.

    Babar has a long long long way to go before he becomes a benchmark to inspire anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    On the same platform Rohit Sharma outclassed both Babar and Rohit. So Rohit is better than both? It dont work in that way. Who is a better player needs to access based on overall career records and not events in sylo.
    Rohit can be compared to Kohli or Abdv or even Tendulkar. Thats how good he is.

    Babar has done very well. And he wan continue to be brilliant without being the "best" in the world tag.

    Dravid,Waugh,AB etc are all great batsmen, never to be called the best in the world, but they were all brilliant brilliant players. Kohli is 32, Smith 31, Williamson 30, they all have 6-7 years of their career remaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Which FC pro has Babar inspired? Haven't heard any Indian batsmen saying he was inspired by Babar.

    Though almost every India left arm pacer says he was inspired by Wasim Akram. Thats called being a benchmark.

    Babar is a very good batsman, but the inspiration for this generation is a Kohli or a Smith or Williamson.

    Babar has a long long long way to go before he becomes a benchmark to inspire anyone.
    Oh yeah Indian fc players are allowed to freely express their admiration for Pakistanis all of a sudden???

    And which current generation Indian left arm seamer has showered praise and admiration for Wasim Akram???

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Rohit can be compared to Kohli or Abdv or even Tendulkar. Thats how good he is.

    Babar has done very well. And he wan continue to be brilliant without being the "best" in the world tag.

    Dravid,Waugh,AB etc are all great batsmen, never to be called the best in the world, but they were all brilliant brilliant players. Kohli is 32, Smith 31, Williamson 30, they all have 6-7 years of their career remaining.
    lol that's so disrespectful my gut is hurting from laughter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigboii View Post
    lol that's so disrespectful my gut is hurting from laughter
    Though I dont agree that Rohit is at the same level as Kohli or Tendulkar but not sure why such hysteria. He is an ODI great and one of the top bat in modern era.

    His last 5 score against Pakistan:
    91, 0, 52, 111*, 140 with an avg of close to 80.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajdeep View Post
    Though I dont agree that Rohit is at the same level as Kohli or Tendulkar but not sure why such hysteria. He is an ODI great and one of the top bat in modern era.

    His last 5 score against Pakistan:
    91, 0, 52, 111*, 140 with an avg of close to 80.
    sorry but who ever compares Rohit to Tendulkar is certified buffoon imo ...

    And no one can be considered a true great without an illustrious test career simple basic standards to get into the conversation of being a great

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    Babar at the moment is qualitatively the most attractive and natural batsman in the game. Like Sachin, he can be categorized as the prototype for batsmanship.

    His reactions to the ball are much quicker and natural than Kohli, or a Smith whose movements are more mechanical and contrived.
    However, with that said, Kohli and Smith are mental geniuses and have great resolve.
    It remains to be seen whether Babar can match them in this.

    He is like a repressed introvert who is finally getting more comfortable with the exterior. The more he plays and gets admiration, the more he will come out of his shackles to discover himself.
    This is exactly what has happened with him in the last year and a half.

    However, there is still a long way to go for Babar because the potential with him is immense.

    For me, he is the Sachin of Pakistan and has already created great impact in terms of batting culture in his home country, with most of his peers eying him as a role model.
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    I just wish we could reliquinsh him from the captaincy and let him bat. He looks so good when he is in motion without any pressure. Pakistan can't afford to let the cares of the office start wearing Babar down.

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    Babar is the best from new era in tests?
    Yes or either marnus

    In odi? Yes

    In t20s maybe not.. qdk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Oh yeah Indian fc players are allowed to freely express their admiration for Pakistanis all of a sudden???

    And which current generation Indian left arm seamer has showered praise and admiration for Wasim Akram???
    From Zaheer to Irfan to Khaleel all of them have expressed their admiration for Wasim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigboii View Post
    lol that's so disrespectful my gut is hurting from laughter
    In white ball cricket, Rohit is as good as anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigboii View Post
    sorry but who ever compares Rohit to Tendulkar is certified buffoon imo ...

    And no one can be considered a true great without an illustrious test career simple basic standards to get into the conversation of being a great
    The comparison was in white ball cricket not test cricket.

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    I haven't seen a youngster(who is not from pakistan) say that he idolises babar or wants to play like him, so clearly no Babar isn't the benchmark.

    Secondly as of now he hasn't won his team a single match against good opposition in test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    I haven't seen a youngster(who is not from pakistan) say that he idolises babar or wants to play like him, so clearly no Babar isn't the benchmark.

    Secondly as of now he hasn't won his team a single match against good opposition in test.
    Thatís not the right metric - Virat Kohli, Steve Smith are still in their primes and are older than Babar so naturally they are the benchmarks overall.

    However, within his generation, Babar is the benchmark. And the way he is developing, I can see him becoming the benchmark for young Britishers and Aussies in 5 years from now. Obviously India will always have its own Indian heroes, and after Kohli it is likely to come to KL Rahul if he does his talent justice, and then Prithvi Shaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Babar is nearly 26 and he hasn't shown any signs of getting big scores in tests after getting good starts. He also has serious issues with acceleration.

    He is and will be a brilliant player, but he is not going to surpass Kohli .
    Babar is the better of them all in terms of scoring rate in Test cricket and that's because he even scores against good bowlers.

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    Babar Azam speaking to PCB

    "It's a great honour for me to be able to captain Pakistan in ODI cricket"

    "There's been no cricket in Pakistan for a decade, and our players were forced to play abroad. So I count myself very lucky."

    "The ICC league gives every series context, with seven qualifying berths up for grabs. So we want to put as many points on the board as possible so when we get to the World Cup, people talk about us seriously. In 2011, we qualified for the semi-finals and in 2019, we couldn't get through. I don't think the rankings matter but I want us to start well and I fully trust my team to perform well and qualify."

    "The crowd has always supported us, and we got so much love from them when cricket recently began to come back to Pakistan. Unfortunately, Covid-19 means the crowd isn't allowed. We'll definitely miss them because you always get a boost from the crowd. We got a lot of support during the National T20 Cup, and we hope to get the same during the Zimbabwe series."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Thatís not the right metric - Virat Kohli, Steve Smith are still in their primes and are older than Babar so naturally they are the benchmarks overall.

    However, within his generation, Babar is the benchmark. And the way he is developing, I can see him becoming the benchmark for young Britishers and Aussies in 5 years from now. Obviously India will always have its own Indian heroes, and after Kohli it is likely to come to KL Rahul if he does his talent justice, and then Prithvi Shaw.
    Aussies will not look at Smith to be the benchmark but babar?

    English will not find Root or Cook or Stokes as a benchmark?

    For a foreigner to be a benchmark, he has to be exceptional like a wasim or Tendulkar or warne etc. Babar is nearly 26, yet he hasn't shown himself to be in the class of the above mentioned players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Aussies will not look at Smith to be the benchmark but babar?

    English will not find Root or Cook or Stokes as a benchmark?

    For a foreigner to be a benchmark, he has to be exceptional like a wasim or Tendulkar or warne etc. Babar is nearly 26, yet he hasn't shown himself to be in the class of the above mentioned players.
    If you read my post, you would notice I am talking about 5 years from now when Smith has retired/is near retirement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    If you read my post, you would notice I am talking about 5 years from now when Smith has retired/is near retirement
    Wasim is retired. 17 years and counting. Yet he remains the most inspiring icon for left armers.

    Retirement doesn't take away your ability to inspire.

    Babar is a very good batsman. But he isnt a genius like a warne Tendulkar or wasim, atleast he hasn't shown that yet.

    90s 2000s and 2010s, who according to you are the most inspiring cricketers?

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    The Question itself is a little bit vague.

    Benchmark for what? A benchmark in terms of Batting technique? A benchmark in terms of accomplishments? A benchmark in terms of financial success and ability to maximise earnings?

    Babar certainly is a benchmark for technique. He is very much in line to be as good as Kohli and Smith in regards to accomplishments or consistency for that matter. The latter are definitely a better benchmark for financial success but there are way more who could be considered in this category, and they are not even 70% of the batsmen these 3 players are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    The Question itself is a little bit vague.

    Benchmark for what? A benchmark in terms of Batting technique? A benchmark in terms of accomplishments? A benchmark in terms of financial success and ability to maximise earnings?

    Babar certainly is a benchmark for technique. He is very much in line to be as good as Kohli and Smith in regards to accomplishments or consistency for that matter. The latter are definitely a better benchmark for financial success but there are way more who could be considered in this category, and they are not even 70% of the batsmen these 3 players are.
    Williamson and Root are definitely better than Babar at this point in time. With Kane being very close to Smith and Kohli.

    Then there are Warners and Rohits of the world.

    Babar isnt near Kohli or Smith like you clubbed him with them. He is behind Rohit in LOIs. Warner Root and Williamson are ahead as well.

    Babar is a very good batsman, perhaps the best Pakistan has had in sometime, but he has a small sample to be considered the benchmark or abr among the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Babar is the better of them all in terms of scoring rate in Test cricket and that's because he even scores against good bowlers.


    Batting quickly in test cricket is very different to LO cricket. Babar has shown he has issues with acceleration. Most of the top ODI players can play anchor and accelerate when required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The comparison was in white ball cricket not test cricket.
    Hell even in odi

    Tendulkar way better than Rohit

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Williamson and Root are definitely better than Babar at this point in time. With Kane being very close to Smith and Kohli.

    Then there are Warners and Rohits of the world.

    Babar isnt near Kohli or Smith like you clubbed him with them. He is behind Rohit in LOIs. Warner Root and Williamson are ahead as well.

    Babar is a very good batsman, perhaps the best Pakistan has had in sometime, but he has a small sample to be considered the benchmark or abr among the best.
    How is Williamson and Root definetly better than Babar in all formats?

    Babar is ahead of Steve Smith as an ODI and T20i player. Smith and Kohli are clearly better Test bats than Babar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    How is Williamson and Root definetly better than Babar in all formats?

    Babar is ahead of Steve Smith as an ODI and T20i player. Smith and Kohli are clearly better Test bats than Babar.
    Babar is better than Kane and root in all formats. I repeat. All formats.

    Kane is so overrated. Look at his record in Asia.

    Root is good but he is past it now I reckon. Root is very talented but he has declined alot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigboii View Post
    Hell even in odi

    Tendulkar way better than Rohit
    Better may be. Way better. Dont think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    Babar is better than Kane and root in all formats. I repeat. All formats.

    Kane is so overrated. Look at his record in Asia.

    Root is good but he is past it now I reckon. Root is very talented but he has declined alot.
    You look at Kane's record in Asia? What about Babbar's outside Asia? How many centuries?

    Root still avgs more than Babbar in Tests and has many more runs. Root also avgs 50 plus in Odis.

    Babbar is massively overrated on PP at this point in time. He is very good, but has a long way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    You look at Kane's record in Asia? What about Babbar's outside Asia? How many centuries?

    Root still avgs more than Babbar in Tests and has many more runs. Root also avgs 50 plus in Odis.

    Babbar is massively overrated on PP at this point in time. He is very good, but has a long way to go.
    babar is better than both over the last 2 years easily. he averages 60 in the last 2 years. based on skillset and ability, babar's ceiling is higher than both.

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    For future Pakistani batsmen definitely.

    Huge change from a generation of wannabe Afridis.

    Will take Pakistan batting in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    You look at Kane's record in Asia? What about Babbar's outside Asia? How many centuries?

    Root still avgs more than Babbar in Tests and has many more runs. Root also avgs 50 plus in Odis.

    Babbar is massively overrated on PP at this point in time. He is very good, but has a long way to go.
    You are so, so, so desperate to discredit Babar as the best batsman or top 3 batsman in the world. It’s clear for everyone to see.

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    Disagree with OP. KL Rahul is the benchmark for this generation. Babar who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    You are so, so, so desperate to discredit Babar as the best batsman or top 3 batsman in the world. Itís clear for everyone to see.

    Surely not the best by any stretch but certainly a top-4 all format bat behind Smith and Kohli and probably on par with Williamson.

    Root's regression has been way too steep to consider it a "lean patch".

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    First ball duck for Babar today - little disappointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    babar is better than both over the last 2 years easily. he averages 60 in the last 2 years. based on skillset and ability, babar's ceiling is higher than both.
    Last 2 years? Why not before that,?

    How did you measure the skill set and ability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    You are so, so, so desperate to discredit Babar as the best batsman or top 3 batsman in the world. It’s clear for everyone to see.
    He is still behind the fab 4 and Warner. In LOIs behind Rohit.

    What he has is the age on his side to catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Last 2 years? Why not before that,?

    How did you measure the skill set and ability?

    Well in watchh them play obviously. Babar has no weaknesses unlike Kane and root vs spin and bounce etc.

    Babar just started but to me he looks far more complete than the other 2. I would never pick the former 2 over Babar. Hell on current form even Kohli is questionable.

    Babar is already number 3 in the world.

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    Can someone here show me one game where Babar played a great knock and won a tough game for Pakistan against a top opponent. Tests or ODIs or T20s..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxfordchamp View Post
    Can someone here show me one game where Babar played a great knock and won a tough game for Pakistan against a top opponent. Tests or ODIs or T20s..
    New Zealand at the world cup

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxfordchamp View Post
    Can someone here show me one game where Babar played a great knock and won a tough game for Pakistan against a top opponent. Tests or ODIs or T20s..
    N.z 2019
    England 2019

    It's hard to win a test match on your own own when you only have 2 class players in the team. You need 4 to 5 world class players to win. He did bat well in Australia.

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    I used to doubt Babar but no more. He is the real deal. Period. Best under 30. I am on the hype train. He is a class player. Not sure if he can get to Kohli's level in odi and T20 but he can in tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxfordchamp View Post
    Can someone here show me one game where Babar played a great knock and won a tough game for Pakistan against a top opponent. Tests or ODIs or T20s..
    Game against NZ in the World Cup. Here is the scorecard: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...world-cup-2019.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxfordchamp View Post
    Can someone here show me one game where Babar played a great knock and won a tough game for Pakistan against a top opponent. Tests or ODIs or T20s..
    can only remember one game since his debut. That was against NZ in WC where he scored a hundred off 130 balls after getting a life earlier in his inning. was not a full flowing one and particularly Haris Sohail played a good inning and took all the pressure off him.

    He has yet to play an inning where he single-handedly won his team a match like scoring a hundred off 75 or 80 balls in a difficult situation or a test match hundred under pressure. He's become a benchmark just for that one inning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    Well in watchh them play obviously. Babar has no weaknesses unlike Kane and root vs spin and bounce etc.

    Babar just started but to me he looks far more complete than the other 2. I would never pick the former 2 over Babar. Hell on current form even Kohli is questionable.

    Babar is already number 3 in the world.
    Babar has how many centuries outside Asia? He barely has 2000 test runs at 45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Babar has how many centuries outside Asia? He barely has 2000 test runs at 45.
    He is better than root and Kane. That's all I need to say.

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    Williamson is laughably overrated not only on this forum but also in general. His persona and the image of New Zealand cricket have played a big role in him getting overrated.

    The way he was handed over the player of the World Cup award out of pity when Stokes was the real player of the World Cup by a country mile was embarrassing.

    People talk about Root not deserving the Fab Four tag, but he is actually a far better batsman than Williamson and a comparison of their record proves it.

    Williamson is the one who does not deserve to be part of that group, and there is no reason why someone like Babar cannot surpass him easily. There are multiple young batsmen who have the potential to surpass Williamson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Babar has how many centuries outside Asia? He barely has 2000 test runs at 45.
    Babar still has time to improve and the only way he can be compared to williamson is by comparing their first 50 innings which clearly show babar was better at the start of their respective careers and
    Has potential to be better by the time he reaches the age of 30. Babar after 50 innings averages 45 with 5 hundreds , williamson averaged 36 with 4 hundreds so there is no reason why babar cant surpass him or root who has declined over the past year or so.
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    Of course, he is. Who is better than him in his age bracket?

    Labuschagne is the only potential competitor as of now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    He is better than root and Kane. That's all I need to say.
    Thats a statement not a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHN1293 View Post
    Babar still has time to improve and the only way he can be compared to williamson is by comparing their first 50 innings which clearly show babar was better at the start of their respective careers and
    Has potential to be better by the time he reaches the age of 30. Babar after 50 innings averages 45 with 5 hundreds , williamson averaged 36 with 4 hundreds so there is no reason why babar cant surpass him or root who has declined over the past year or so.
    A similar comparison was made between first some innings of Tendulkar in ODIs to Ahmed Shehzad to prove how Shehzad has been equally good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Thats a statement not a fact.
    Yes just like everything you say here is a statement

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    A similar comparison was made between first some innings of Tendulkar in ODIs to Ahmed Shehzad to prove how Shehzad has been equally good.
    Shezad in his first few innings averaged less than 30 in odis so i dont think many people compared him to be the next tendukar however he was compared to tendulkar in test cricket where he still averages 41 better than a certain asad shafiq. He was wrongly dropped from the test side based on his poor preformances in odis and he could have improved his record in tests if not dropped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Thats a statement not a fact.
    But it's a true fact. He averages 60 over the last 2 years. He will dethrone root in a matter of a year. He is already better than both Kane and root. Neither of the aforementioned two can elevate a weak team. Babar can.

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    Babar is top 3 after smith kohli root and williamson are below the the top 3
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    Babar is nowhere near Root let alone Williamson, Kohli and Smith.

    Come on guys. Heís a decent talent, but has not done anything great yet.

    Williamson:
    21 Test hundreds @50.99 with a HS of 242*
    6000+ ODI runs

    Root:
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    Babar:
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    3000 ODI runs with 11 hundreds

    His record is worse in every way than the Fab 4.

    If you are gonna in terms of skill, than I would say go and watch Williamsonís 108* to win a Test vs SL or his recent 90 odd in a chase vs India. For Root, watch his innings vs SA chasing 210+ in the WT20.

    Bobby doesnít know how to bat long in Tests or chase big targets in LO yet. And until he does that he will not surpass the Fab 4.

    He is still the 5 best batsman in the world and younger than the guys better than him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Babar is nowhere near Root let alone Williamson, Kohli and Smith.

    Come on guys. Heís a decent talent, but has not done anything great yet.

    Williamson:
    21 Test hundreds @50.99 with a HS of 242*
    6000+ ODI runs

    Root:
    7000+ Test runs with a HS of 254
    5000+ ODI runs with 16 hundreds

    Babar:
    2000 Test runs with a HS of 143
    3000 ODI runs with 11 hundreds

    His record is worse in every way than the Fab 4.

    If you are gonna in terms of skill, than I would say go and watch Williamsonís 108* to win a Test vs SL or his recent 90 odd in a chase vs India. For Root, watch his innings vs SA chasing 210+ in the WT20.

    Bobby doesnít know how to bat long in Tests or chase big targets in LO yet. And until he does that he will not surpass the Fab 4.

    He is still the 5 best batsman in the world and younger than the guys better than him.
    When did Kane perform in India?
    Root averages 37 over the last 2years.
    Babar 62.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    When did Kane perform in India?
    Root averages 37 over the last 2years.
    Babar 62.
    When did Babar perform in India?

    And yea on current form he is superior to Root in Tests. Although the latter is still better when it comes to making big hundreds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    When did Babar perform in India?

    And yea on current form he is superior to Root in Tests. Although the latter is still better when it comes to making big hundreds.
    When was the last time he scored a 100 vs a top team?
    Babar is well ahead of root now.

    Matter of time before he starts overtaking the overrated Kane.

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    I pray for the time when Pakistan are playing at least 10-13 Tests a year. Not the current average of 6-8

    And then maybe Babar can end up with 150 odd Tests by the end of his career and meaningful runs


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