Sohail Speaks Yasir's Blog Fazeer's Focus

User Tag List

View Poll Results: Should there be more teams in PSL?

Voters
36. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes there should

    19 52.78%
  • No, six is fine

    17 47.22%
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 80 of 89
  1. #1
    Debut
    Dec 2019
    Runs
    2,047
    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Should there be more teams in the Pakistan Super League?

    I can see a lot of talented players missing on PSL and good money due to very few teams. I hope there are few more teams in the next season so more players could get chance. I have lost all hope from LQ and I won't be shocked if in the next few seasons, they pull an-all PDP squad and drop players like Hafeez and Fakhar.

  2. #2
    Debut
    Aug 2010
    Venue
    Sheffield
    Runs
    33,781
    Mentioned
    1143 Post(s)
    Tagged
    12 Thread(s)
    No. 6 teams is enough.

  3. #3
    Debut
    Jan 2020
    Runs
    359
    Mentioned
    84 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Ideally we will be at 8 teams as an end goal, after 5-10 years.

    There is definitely room to add one more team, perhaps not next year (as the primary goal next year will be to ensure all current teams except maybe Quetta are able to play all home matches in their home stadium (e.g Peshawar in Arbab Niaz, etc) but in 2022 Or 2023 I can definitely see them adding a 7th team along the lines of Hyderabad or Muzaffarabad. The 8th team would be added after another couple of years, as per how much our talent pool has grown. We currently donít have space for 8 teams as we donít have that much talent, but the story might be different in some years.

    The key purpose of adding a team is two-fold: to give space to talents who are otherwise unable to get a chance and end up warming the bench, and to grow interest and player development programs in otherwise under-looked areas where there is growth potential. Seeing players like Naseem and Hasnain emerge from towns that barely play cricket (Naseemís family doesnít understand the sport even) is indicative of the talent that we could be developing in the northern regions and in sindh where there is the greatest difference between infrastructure (negligible) and talent (abundant) anywhere in Pakistan.

    So yes, there should be, and there probably will be.
    Last edited by Thunderbolt14; 17th February 2020 at 05:01.

  4. #4
    Debut
    Jun 2018
    Venue
    Manchester
    Runs
    623
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Not yet as quality of cricket will go down. Need PSL to be played in pakistan for a few years and need foreign superstars to sign up more for PSL. Only then can we even consider adding more teams.
    Remember less teams = better quality

  5. #5
    Debut
    Dec 2019
    Runs
    2,047
    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Minnowbasher View Post
    Not yet as quality of cricket will go down. Need PSL to be played in pakistan for a few years and need foreign superstars to sign up more for PSL. Only then can we even consider adding more teams.
    Remember less teams = better quality
    Using that logic IPL should be the worst league around the world but itís the best. More teams mean more players get opportunities

  6. #6
    Debut
    Jul 2013
    Runs
    18,665
    Mentioned
    868 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Just 6 teams is a bit of a joke.

    4 teams are already guaranteed the semifinals.. or play offs..before the league has even started.

    7-8 teams would be better.

    But as of yet we don't have a good supply of proper international players. All we have are mostly retired players.

    So, until established and current intl cricketers start coming, 6 teams appear to be fine.

  7. #7
    Debut
    Apr 2013
    Runs
    4,084
    Mentioned
    468 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    The thing is, there are about 100 or so good players in Pakistan that can play in domestic structure without diluting the quality of the competition. The thing with PSL is that there are foreign players participating which means that the talent pool increases. Even now, there are about 30 or so foreign players playing which leaves some talented and good-to-ok Pak players missing out on the chance of getting selected. Even those who get selected, play out of their position and have a minimal chance to make a mark unless they hit a really amazing purple patch or get really lucky. The pattern is that foreign batsman dominate the top 4 of all teams and the local players rarely get a chance to shine.

    This means that about 8 teams is an ideal number for PSL but then the advertising rights will get split even further and the current franchises would hardly agree to that. If PSL is in Pakistan completely for a couple of seasons and the next media right cycle arrives, it'd definitely have a bigger chance to gain higher broadcast bid as now and more teams can be added.

    Personally I feel that there should be one franchise totally owned by PCB participating in the tournament even now. That could be the Pakistani Shaheens or something but it's a hard thing to make such an idea into a practical working solution.


    Azaadi. InshAllah.

  8. #8
    Debut
    Jul 2013
    Runs
    18,665
    Mentioned
    868 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by GoUgandaCranes View Post
    The thing is, there are about 100 or so good players in Pakistan that can play in domestic structure without diluting the quality of the competition.
    Delusional.

    There aren't many quality players in the domestic setup, else we would have been a top 3 side in all the formats.

    There's a reason we keep struggling to find international quality players.

    And, the foreign players are also mostly those who are retirees. It's a retirement plan league - we need more active and established international cricketers.

    Right now, there isn't enough quality players supply (both local&foreign) for 8 teams.

  9. #9
    Debut
    Oct 2016
    Runs
    15,071
    Mentioned
    153 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I guess there will be. With PSL happening entirely in Pak the value of the 7th franchise will be sky rocketing by the next season so we should see some addition.

  10. #10
    Debut
    Feb 2012
    Runs
    3,100
    Mentioned
    26 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    It's more important to get the expansion right, than to do it quickly.

    First step is to make sure each team can host their own games. Once that is done, expansion can be next. I think 8 teams eventually.

    Surely the consideration will be financial first- the PCB needs the PSL to be a financial success first & foremost. Without that, everything else falls over.

    Which city or region is not represented that holds the biggest market or most financial clout?

    Does 2nd team to hold local derby/rivalry make sense in the biggest cities? This can work in cities like Sydney/Melbourne where you have a kind of East/West city divide. East Sydney is wealthier, West Sydney has a large population, travel between East & West can taken 1-2 hours so a second team playing out of a stadium in the west is viable & makes financial sense (more games in the places with most people, most corporate money & more games that pull biggest TV numbers- Sydney & Melbourne).

    Not sure what makes the most sense in Pakistan but I'm keen to hear.

  11. #11
    Debut
    Apr 2013
    Runs
    4,084
    Mentioned
    468 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Delusional.

    There aren't many quality players in the domestic setup, else we would have been a top 3 side in all the formats.

    There's a reason we keep struggling to find international quality players.

    And, the foreign players are also mostly those who are retirees. It's a retirement plan league - we need more active and established international cricketers.

    Right now, there isn't enough quality players supply (both local&foreign) for 8 teams.
    It would be delusional had I said there are 100 world-class players in our system but what I said was "there are 100 good domestic players in our system" meaning 6 teams in domestic cricket is fine and more than enough.


    Azaadi. InshAllah.

  12. #12
    Debut
    Aug 2010
    Venue
    Sheffield
    Runs
    33,781
    Mentioned
    1143 Post(s)
    Tagged
    12 Thread(s)
    The franchises aren't even profitable right now and were begging PCB for financial relief. So how would 8+ teams be financially viable ?

  13. #13
    Debut
    Mar 2016
    Venue
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Runs
    6,926
    Mentioned
    75 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I definitely believe PSL needs more team. 8-10 teams would be nice.


    Bangladeshi Fan

  14. #14
    Debut
    Jul 2018
    Venue
    London, UK
    Runs
    5,192
    Mentioned
    175 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    If you want to dilute Pakistan's talent across more teams (and thus make the tournament less competitive), then yes add more sides to the PSL.

    There are hardly any notable talents who have missed out on the PSL. If it was the contrary however, PSL would be richer with their presence and would benefit with more teams playing in this tournament instead.

    What differentiates PSL from other Pakistani domestic T20 tournament(s), it filters out a lot of the overaged, unfit and other players in the inferior end of the talent pool.

  15. #15
    Debut
    Mar 2016
    Venue
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Runs
    6,926
    Mentioned
    75 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    If you want to dilute Pakistan's talent across more teams (and thus make the tournament less competitive), then yes add more sides to the PSL.

    There are hardly any notable talents who have missed out on the PSL. If it was the contrary however, PSL would be richer with their presence and would benefit with more teams playing in this tournament instead.

    What differentiates PSL from other Pakistani domestic T20 tournament(s), it filters out a lot of the overaged, unfit and other players in the inferior end of the talent pool.
    More teams means more games and more games means more exposures.

    I think PSL should be used to give youngsters as much exposures as possible.


    Bangladeshi Fan

  16. #16
    Debut
    Jul 2015
    Venue
    Karachi
    Runs
    5,331
    Mentioned
    192 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    I should have 8-10 teams down the road but not currently. 6 is fine.


    If you Can Believe In Something, Than why not believe In Yourself.

  17. #17
    Debut
    Jul 2013
    Runs
    18,665
    Mentioned
    868 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by GoUgandaCranes View Post
    It would be delusional had I said there are 100 world-class players in our system but what I said was "there are 100 good domestic players in our system" meaning 6 teams in domestic cricket is fine and more than enough.
    Not talking world class. 100 quality players is an overstatement.

    There would be no quality. You want to see Cheema, Gul, Sadaf
    Hussain and Anwar Ali to run in and bowl?

    Whatever experience there is would be significantly degraded.

  18. #18
    Debut
    Dec 2019
    Runs
    37
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Big 'NO'. Six teams are enough, at least for the next few years. There are two main reasons.
    1. To be honest, we don't have 'A lot of talented players' in our domestic cricket who are missing in this PSL. There will be hardly 6 to 8 deserving players who were not selected. Even those players could have been adjusted in six teams, had there not been some very bizarre selections by franchises.
    Problem is there will always be some players who will be selected because of their association or good relationship with the owners i.e. Azam khan, Salman butt etc.
    But still, adding new teams just for the sake of giving chances to all the missing players is not a very good idea. Quality of cricket will be affected and PSL may become glorified version of faisal bank T20 cup. Plus too much of PSL and people will start losing their interest.

    2. Considering the current situation of our economy and market, having six teams is more feasible idea.
    It will be very difficult for all 8 to 10 teams to be profitable enough and they will not be able to attract big name foreign players.

  19. #19
    Debut
    Mar 2016
    Venue
    London UK
    Runs
    519
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    After another a couple of years another two teams should be added.The maximum number of teams should be eight.

  20. #20
    Debut
    Jun 2006
    Runs
    14,411
    Mentioned
    172 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by minamino View Post
    I can see a lot of talented players missing on PSL and good money due to very few teams.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoUgandaCranes View Post
    Even now, there are about 30 or so foreign players playing which leaves some talented and good-to-ok Pak players missing out on the chance of getting selected.

    Who are these mysterious players being left out that would warrant another team?

  21. #21
    Debut
    Nov 2019
    Runs
    55
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Need 2 more teams.

  22. #22
    Debut
    Jan 2017
    Runs
    1,289
    Mentioned
    75 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Yes, there should be at least one more. I want a Kashmir or Rawalpindi team.

  23. #23
    Debut
    Dec 2019
    Runs
    43
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    There has to be more added. There are sooo many players missing that could potentially be international stars and so many on the bench of each team that should be getting regular games, where spots are just too difficult to find in the XI. When emerging players are required in the teams, players on the bench of the same role, take Usama Mir, Amad Butt or Aamer Yamin for an example, cannot break into the XI even if they are way better.

  24. #24
    Debut
    Apr 2013
    Runs
    4,084
    Mentioned
    468 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Gotham Cronie View Post
    Who are these mysterious players being left out that would warrant another team?

    So in domestic cricket in Pakistan, there are 06 teams, right.

    So 16 players a squad means => 16 * 6 = 96 players playing in domestic cricket.

    Subtract 30 from this as the foreign quota => 96 - 30 = 66 players.

    Subtract 10 from this for the emerging and U19 quota=> 66 - 10 = 56 players.


    Add to that there are 6 teams playing Second 11 cricket as well. So out of 200 first-class cricketers, only 56 are likely to get a chance to play PSL. It's pretty much possible that 14 more players could actually play PSL which is a domestic tournament and will remain a level below international cricket.

    Ehsan Adil, Abid Ali, Saud Shakeel, Sameen Gul, etc. are players that could play domestic cricket but they haven't played PSL and it's creating a further financial divide for players.


    Azaadi. InshAllah.

  25. #25
    Debut
    Feb 2011
    Runs
    306
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Ideally yes. Probably need another 2 teams. However, this has to happen down the road. Maybe in the 9th or 10th season. Need to play out PSL in Pakistan fully for a few years, let it establish as a tournament along with getting each team a dedicated full time home stadium up to standards before introducing new teams.

  26. #26
    Debut
    Jun 2006
    Runs
    14,411
    Mentioned
    172 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by GoUgandaCranes View Post

    Ehsan Adil, Abid Ali, Saud Shakeel, Sameen Gul, etc. are players that could play domestic cricket but they haven't played PSL and it's creating a further financial divide for players.
    PSL is not a welfare support system.

    You think a 7th team should be added so players averaging in the high teens with strike rates close to 100 can play?

  27. #27
    Debut
    Oct 2019
    Runs
    469
    Mentioned
    18 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    More teams will be inducted once one or two seasons happen in Pakistan and franchise start earning well. PSL is not the nxt format ideally developing a cricketer who can play for Pakistan for next 5 to 10 years.

    Franchise will agree hastily as their share of the pie(Pcb money) will be reduced. More teams will make way for more talent. Only fear is windup operation against departmental cricket will destroy talent for longer formats and most would be aiming for Psl which happens for 30 days in 12 months.
    Last edited by ZamanFan; 18th February 2020 at 00:52.

  28. #28
    Debut
    Oct 2004
    Runs
    121,169
    Mentioned
    2179 Post(s)
    Tagged
    21 Thread(s)
    Think more teams will mean a longer tournament - not sure if this is good for the interest.

    If we have 6 teams in our domestic system (quality over quantity) then same here too.


    For the latest updates on Cricket, follow @PakPassion on Twitter

  29. #29
    Debut
    Mar 2012
    Venue
    The Invincible Fort
    Runs
    17,651
    Mentioned
    1011 Post(s)
    Tagged
    17 Thread(s)
    6 is enough for now


    Full credit to Micky Arthur for realizing Babar Azam was born to bat at 3 in all formats.

  30. #30
    Debut
    Mar 2016
    Venue
    Sheffield
    Runs
    32,031
    Mentioned
    438 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    If they are going to have a top 4 who qualify they need more teams. 4 out of 6 for qualification is a bit weird.

  31. #31
    Debut
    Oct 2010
    Runs
    44,094
    Mentioned
    385 Post(s)
    Tagged
    9 Thread(s)
    PCB should own a team named the Shaheen's. The Shaheens players should play.

  32. #32
    Debut
    Oct 2010
    Runs
    6,409
    Mentioned
    33 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    6 is perfect, if you want make a feeder league of smaller franchises owned by the major franchises like minor league in baseball.

    so isl could have a rwp team, karachi could have hyderabad, etc, and the tournament could be run in the autumn with the psl in spring.

  33. #33
    Debut
    Feb 2016
    Runs
    4,288
    Mentioned
    442 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    More teams or not is long term thing but there shouldn't be semifinals for 6 team event. First ranked should play final vs the qualifier from 2v3.

  34. #34
    Debut
    Dec 2010
    Venue
    Earth
    Runs
    3,380
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    6 teams are more then enough in a country like Pakistan, i prefer quality over quantity

  35. #35
    Debut
    Nov 2019
    Runs
    441
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    There should be 8 teams minimum. Rawalpindi should definitely have a team of its own. Even AJK should have a team.

  36. #36
    Debut
    Dec 2009
    Venue
    Paris
    Runs
    7,740
    Mentioned
    33 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    There should be 8 teams. But it's ok to have kept 6 for this first season at home.

    They should at least increase the number to 7 next year.

    But one very important thing is that they should only be home and away matches, there is no place for neutral venues in such matches.

  37. #37
    Debut
    Apr 2013
    Venue
    Karachi
    Runs
    39,357
    Mentioned
    1766 Post(s)
    Tagged
    4 Thread(s)
    Maybe in a few years.

    Need to ensure 6 proper venues for the existing teams first.


    Follow PakPassion on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram!

  38. #38
    Debut
    Oct 2017
    Runs
    2,986
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Think more teams will mean a longer tournament - not sure if this is good for the interest.

    If we have 6 teams in our domestic system (quality over quantity) then same here too.
    40 day tournament isnt bad, down the line ofcourse, not before 2023.

  39. #39
    Debut
    Sep 2012
    Runs
    85,603
    Mentioned
    6467 Post(s)
    Tagged
    38 Thread(s)
    The geniuses at PCB seem to think that 6 is the magic number of teams to ensure high standard of cricket, so perhaps there is need of adding more sides.

  40. #40
    Debut
    Oct 2016
    Runs
    15,071
    Mentioned
    153 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I think there should be.

    7th team based upon schedule and everything can probably be managed. However, if target is of 8 PCB needs proper planning not only for scheduling but also for overseas players. As IPL is the only league currently with 4 overseas players in the playing Xi and 8 teams and that is only possible because they have separate window.

    Other leagues with 8 teams are BBL (1 or 2 overseas players), newly formed The Hundred (with 3 overseas players in the squad). BPL has 7 teams while CPL and Mzansi has 6.

    So PCB needs a proper plan to expand it.
    Last edited by Titan24; 26th February 2020 at 17:35.


  41. #41
    Debut
    Oct 2013
    Venue
    Karachi
    Runs
    6,816
    Mentioned
    512 Post(s)
    Tagged
    5 Thread(s)
    No. PCB decreased no. of sides in domestic to maintain quality. Why you want to increase it in PSL?

    More players playing means more mediocrity. That was PCB's logic.

  42. #42
    Debut
    Aug 2017
    Runs
    3,582
    Mentioned
    102 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    What we need is better infrastructure. We need better academies, better coaches, better facilities and world class stadiums that inspire awe into the players and motivate them to do better. We need homegrown talent to step up. Right now they are the weak link.
    On the subject of adding more teams, my answer is no. A) Because of the lack of availability for world class players to participate in the league due to scheduling conflicts. And B) Because once we add another team the length of the league will increase and players will demand a lot more money. With the tv deal signed last year, I don’t think we are due another deal for at least next 3-4 years. Perhaps we can add another team after we sign the new tv rights deal.

  43. #43
    Debut
    Dec 2006
    Runs
    440
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    No 6 is fine but there should be a way to penalise teams in some way for consistently coming last in every tournament.

    Shame there isn't a second tier made of 6 teams which will allow for promotion or relegation.

  44. #44
    Debut
    Dec 2019
    Runs
    2,047
    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Peshawar Zalmi is filled with superstars who can play for another team.

  45. #45
    Debut
    Aug 2006
    Venue
    Scot-la-la-land
    Runs
    10,949
    Mentioned
    1630 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    I think 6 is fine.

    If you are going to increase it then you can go a maximum of 8 but I don't think even that is required since it will dilute the quality of the teams.

    The purpose of domestic competitions is to allow the best players in the country to okay against one another in a competitive format. If each of the 6 teams even have 10 local players each - that's the best 60 T20 cricketers in the country playing it our for a spot in the national squad.

    The PSL supported by a strong grassroot system which the PCB and Wasim Khan put in place last year could prove a strong recipe for success in the coming years inshallah

  46. #46
    Debut
    Jun 2017
    Venue
    Manchester
    Runs
    3,075
    Mentioned
    82 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    I personally would like to see eight teams, but for that more money and resources are needed. This should evolve naturally subject to PSL success in the coming seasons.

  47. #47
    Debut
    Apr 2015
    Runs
    1,815
    Mentioned
    135 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by aukhan View Post
    No. PCB decreased no. of sides in domestic to maintain quality. Why you want to increase it in PSL?

    More players playing means more mediocrity. That was PCB's logic.
    Australia model which is being copied by imran khan has 6 FC and List A teams and 8 t20 teams in t20 i.e., Big Bash

  48. #48
    Debut
    Oct 2013
    Venue
    Karachi
    Runs
    6,816
    Mentioned
    512 Post(s)
    Tagged
    5 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by b.lesner View Post
    Australia model which is being copied by imran khan has 6 FC and List A teams and 8 t20 teams in t20 i.e., Big Bash
    Auatralia have the luxury of having quality players we dont. With 8 teams we will have players like Fawad Alam, Sami Aslam, Asad Shafiq, Imran Khan, Mukhtar and Awais Zia playing regularly in PSL.

  49. #49
    Debut
    Dec 2019
    Runs
    43
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    When players like Sahibzada Farhan, Mukhtar Ahmed, Haris Sohail, Bismillah Khan, Mohammad Sami, Ghulam Mudassar, Mohammad Asghar, Mohammad Irfan Jr, Mohammad Irfan, Sohaib Maqsood, Nabi Gul, Sameen Gul, Ibtisam Sheikh, Umar Siddiq, Mohammad Abbas, Hammad Azam, Yasir Shah, Ali Imran, Saad Ali, Hassan Khan, Agha Salman, Abrar Ahmed and Waqas Maqsood etc go unpicked, we need more teams. There's easily enough quality and demand, nothing to lose either.

  50. #50
    Debut
    Jun 2006
    Runs
    14,411
    Mentioned
    172 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Durrant fan View Post
    When players like Sahibzada Farhan, Mukhtar Ahmed, Haris Sohail, Bismillah Khan, Mohammad Sami, Ghulam Mudassar, Mohammad Asghar, Mohammad Irfan Jr, Mohammad Irfan, Sohaib Maqsood, Nabi Gul, Sameen Gul, Ibtisam Sheikh, Umar Siddiq, Mohammad Abbas, Hammad Azam, Yasir Shah, Ali Imran, Saad Ali, Hassan Khan, Agha Salman, Abrar Ahmed and Waqas Maqsood etc go unpicked, we need more teams. There's easily enough quality and demand, nothing to lose either.
    Yes, because we see how many fans are tuning in to watch these players in the National T20 Cup.

    Also all the advertisers and broadcasters that are lining up to pump their $$$ into the National T20 Cup and watch these players.

  51. #51
    Debut
    Oct 2008
    Runs
    4,580
    Mentioned
    68 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Should be 8
    Faisalabad and one from Kashmir.

  52. #52
    Debut
    Feb 2019
    Runs
    603
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Defo needs 1 team from kashmir

  53. #53
    Debut
    Dec 2015
    Runs
    250
    Mentioned
    28 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    There should be atleast 2 more team added to PSL one from Kashmir and one from baltistan. With just adding 2 more teams amount of matches will increase from about about 34 matches to around 60 matches per year. Which will double the overall revenue.

  54. #54
    Debut
    Apr 2015
    Runs
    1,815
    Mentioned
    135 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Surprised that no one mentioned Interior Sind.

    Should be First Hyderabad, Larkana or Sukkur in PSL 7 or 8 in 2022 or 2023 and then Kashmir in PSL 10 or 11 in 2024 or 2025 according to Revenue generated.

  55. #55
    Debut
    Dec 2019
    Runs
    43
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Also forgot to mention Adnan Akmal, Bilal Asif, Mohammad Saad, Sami Aslam, Abid Ali, Saad Nasim, Umar Gul, Abdullah Shafique, Mir Hamza and Zohaib Khan.

    This also doesn't even touch the issue of all the amazing players having to wait on the bench. How is a guy like Zahid Mahmood meant to break into international cricket without even making the starting XI in PSL? I'm a massive advocate of eight teams.

  56. #56
    Debut
    Sep 2018
    Runs
    1,178
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by b.lesner View Post
    Surprised that no one mentioned Interior Sind.

    Should be First Hyderabad, Larkana or Sukkur in PSL 7 or 8 in 2022 or 2023 and then Kashmir in PSL 10 or 11 in 2024 or 2025 according to Revenue generated.
    we should name our team larkana waderas

    jokes aside sukkur is a much more significant city than larkana and i would say represents interior sindh the most. hyederabad team is a good idea as well.

    Sialkot, Faisalabad, Hyderabd, Sukkhur are good options. Making a kashmiri team will be seen as a threat to india.

    In the far future, gwadar can also be considered

  57. #57
    Debut
    Jan 2009
    Runs
    17,549
    Mentioned
    87 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    need at least 1 more team, look at Quetta's bowling lineup, the talent is stocking up instead of diluting

  58. #58
    Debut
    Dec 2007
    Venue
    USA
    Runs
    6,378
    Mentioned
    195 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)
    8 teams are ideal

    A rivalry can be created with an addition of a Rawalpindi team..Islamabad vs Rawalpindi

    Another one, if they add Faisalabad, Lahore vs Faislabad

    But IMO, that will give to many teams to Punjab. Another good rivalry can be created with the addition of a Hyderabad team. Karachi vs Hyderabad.

    Before we even talk about additions of teams, we need to provide proper home grounds for the other teams.

    I think this cycle of 10 years should go by first.

  59. #59
    Debut
    Oct 2010
    Runs
    42,545
    Mentioned
    338 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    I think there is room for two more teams but PSL can not take more time from Pakistan's home season than it is at the moment as it is likely that teams will visit Pakistan now. So six is fine for me.


    It is either a heartache or a headache ..Argh relationships.

  60. #60
    Debut
    Jul 2015
    Venue
    London, England
    Runs
    1,846
    Mentioned
    135 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    I think so personally, Having 8 even 10 teams wouldn't be a bad idea, but I think the PCB should include them gradually over time rather than just add 2-3 teams at one go.

  61. #61
    Debut
    Mar 2019
    Runs
    128
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    New teams for PSL

    I have an idea regarding new teams in PSL. Instead of having new teams like Faislabad etc we should bring another team from karachi & lahore. Both of these cities have huge population so one team from those cities is not enough IMO plus doing this will also create rivalries between same city sides.
    Last edited by ChTab; 16th March 2020 at 13:25.

  62. #62
    Debut
    Jun 2013
    Runs
    687
    Mentioned
    35 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by ChTab View Post
    I have an idea regarding new teams in PSL. Instead of having new teams like Faislabad etc we should bring another team from karachi & lahore. Both of these cities have huge population so one team from those cities is not enough IMO plus doing this will also create rivalries between same city sides.
    I do not think this will work. The concept of Man City vs Man Utd cannot be replicated in T20 cricket.

  63. #63
    Debut
    Jul 2012
    Venue
    UK
    Runs
    5,352
    Mentioned
    58 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)
    Bad bad idea. Need other cities as well in the mix. A star can come from any where.

  64. #64
    Debut
    Mar 2019
    Runs
    128
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by SM1989 View Post
    I do not think this will work. The concept of Man City vs Man Utd cannot be replicated in T20 cricket.
    I do think that this will work Big Bash has teams like Melbourne stars & renegades along with 2 teams from Sydney as well. This would be great in order to create rivalries between more clubs as of now we only have 1 rivalry between lhr & karachi

  65. #65
    Debut
    Feb 2006
    Runs
    33,820
    Mentioned
    399 Post(s)
    Tagged
    5 Thread(s)
    Dear Mr Najam Sethi

    There are so many high net worth Pakistani business owners both in and outside Pakistan whose personal wealths are close to $1 billion. The names of the following come to mind

    1) Saddrudun Hashwani
    2) Mian Muhammad Mansha Natt
    3) Deewan Group Family
    4) Arif Habib
    5) Engro Corporation
    6) Sir Anwar Pervez (London)
    7) Shahid Khan (USA)

    It may also be possible to engage and attract foreign rich businessmen from India, Arab states like Saudia Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and China to be PSL Franchise owners. These PSL Franchise Owners should ultimately be encouraged to buy out their respective regions, take complete ownership of the domestic regional teams and this way the goal of privitization of Pakistan Cricket at the grassroots can be achieved and the PCB can focus on just running the affairs of the PCB.

    I believe the PSL can easily be number 2 and fingers crossed maybe even over take the IPL if we are very over optimistic. The goal should be a total of 16-18 teams and by selling those teams out at lucrative prices the PCB can get huge financial injections, cash flows where it will no longer be dependant on funds from the ICC, BCCI and this way we can take a strong stand when it comes to making foreign teams tour Pakistan with our held heads high

    We can have the following teams from Punjab i.e. Lahore, Multan, Sialkot, Faislabad, Sarghodda

    We can have the following teams from Sindh i.e. Karachi, Hyderabad, Sukkur

    We can have the following teams from Balochistan i.e. Quetta, Gwadar

    We can have the following teams from KPK i.e. Peshawar, Abbotabad, FATA

    We can the Islamabad team

    We can have a Bahria Town team

    We can the following team from Kashmir i.e. Muzzafarabad

    We can have a team from the Northern Areas like Gilgit, Baltistan

    These are 18 PSL Franchises, the PCB can sell each Franchise at an astranomical higher price and can even rake in a total of $200 million from the sale of these teams. Even better for Pakistan Cricket is that this will allow more talent to be absorbed by the Franchises and more room for foreign players. The PCB will be able to create room for a PSL window in International Cricket just like the BCCI does with the IPL.

    The PCB should definately keep these points in mind in the future

    Regards
    My Email to Najam Sethi in 2017-18 when he was the head of the PSL

    Thank you. I have been trying to convince the Franchisees and Departments to take the Regional teams and develop a sound commercial regional structure. Similarly, the Elected Regional Associations refuse to allow anyone to take them over. The former want control and the latter refuse to yield it. Under the present PCB Constitution,
    We are deadlocked.

    But I am not giving up.


    Sent from my iPhone
    His response

  66. #66
    Debut
    Feb 2006
    Runs
    33,820
    Mentioned
    399 Post(s)
    Tagged
    5 Thread(s)
    The above is my vision for the PSL.

  67. #67
    Debut
    Mar 2015
    Runs
    769
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Durrant fan View Post
    When players like Sahibzada Farhan, Mukhtar Ahmed, Haris Sohail, Bismillah Khan, Mohammad Sami, Ghulam Mudassar, Mohammad Asghar, Mohammad Irfan Jr, Mohammad Irfan, Sohaib Maqsood, Nabi Gul, Sameen Gul, Ibtisam Sheikh, Umar Siddiq, Mohammad Abbas, Hammad Azam, Yasir Shah, Ali Imran, Saad Ali, Hassan Khan, Agha Salman, Abrar Ahmed and Waqas Maqsood etc go unpicked, we need more teams. There's easily enough quality and demand, nothing to lose either.
    IMO there is definitely room for at least one more team, a team from Rawalpindi.

  68. #68
    Debut
    Mar 2016
    Venue
    London UK
    Runs
    519
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Islamabad and Rawalpindi are twin cities hence IU can represent both.The existing six teams need to raise the standard to make PSL a tough competition.

  69. #69
    Debut
    Apr 2019
    Runs
    3,061
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Depends on how it would affect PSL's earnings and whether or not it has enough money to accomodate for a 7th team.

    I would love for there to be a 7th team next year but I think PCB should wait till 2022.

  70. #70
    Debut
    Feb 2006
    Runs
    33,820
    Mentioned
    399 Post(s)
    Tagged
    5 Thread(s)
    I would prefer to add more teams when the PSL has established itself with 1-2 more seasons at home without any problems, interruptions and when we have more stadiums available.

    Might be prudent to wait for a new broadcast deals and for existing franchises to strengthen their base. Also need more investors who are willing to spend some real cash

  71. #71
    Debut
    Nov 2015
    Venue
    National Stadium Karachi
    Runs
    12,831
    Mentioned
    156 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Yes,i think it's time to add a seventh team, preferable from Gilgit Baltistan.

    An eighth team can be added after a few years but that should be it.

  72. #72
    Debut
    Jul 2013
    Runs
    18,665
    Mentioned
    868 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Faisalabad, Hyderabad are obvious choices.

    Big cities with huge populations. Stadiums but in bad conditions.

    You will even get rich investors in fsd. Industrialists.

    Though no new team in near future. Wait a few years.
    Last edited by Hawkeye; 19th March 2020 at 23:01.

  73. #73
    Debut
    Jun 2017
    Venue
    Manchester
    Runs
    3,075
    Mentioned
    82 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Faisalabad, Hyderabad are obvious choices.

    Big cities with huge populations. Stadiums but in bad conditions.

    You will even get rich investors in fsd. Industrialists.

    Though no new team in near future. Wait a few years.
    Yeah, Faisla's the Manchester of Pakistan. What's the situation with likes of Sialkot, Gujranwala etc?

  74. #74
    Debut
    Feb 2006
    Runs
    33,820
    Mentioned
    399 Post(s)
    Tagged
    5 Thread(s)
    If the NBA can have 30 teams, why can't the PSL have a total of 18 teams like i have proposed? It is perfectly possible on paper and this is even better for the PCB because if each Franchise pays it an annual Franchise fee of $500,000-$2,000,000 from the cheapest to the expensive Franchise, the PCB can easily make $10 million to $36 million just from the Franchise Fees alone and i am using the most conservative estimates here and this amount does not even factor in the tv rights income, title sponsorship, other sponsorship, and gates revenue, merchandising.

    Hosting the PSL will be a cheaper excercise for the PCB compared to UAE and should be profitable in the long run and the PCB can use the funds to modernize, upgrade the stadiums all over the country and even develop 5 star hotel facilities close to the grounds.

    Yes 18 teams sounds insane right now but the NBA has 30 teams. The excess number of teams does not make a big difference if you have big money powers owning and running these teams like a private franchise. One thing i know for certain, the competition to get into the playoffs i.e. the top 4 teams will intensify and no Franchise will rest easy assuming they will get in.

    In order to make this model successful the PCB will have to develop a format suitable where each team plays each other twice in their respective home grounds and the format should be in line with the 2019 ODI WC format where all teams play each other and there are no flukes. This is something that the PCB will need to dig deep on but it can be achieved.

  75. #75
    Debut
    Jul 2018
    Venue
    London, UK
    Runs
    5,192
    Mentioned
    175 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    If the NBA can have 30 teams, why can't the PSL have a total of 18 teams like i have proposed? It is perfectly possible on paper and this is even better for the PCB because if each Franchise pays it an annual Franchise fee of $500,000-$2,000,000 from the cheapest to the expensive Franchise, the PCB can easily make $10 million to $36 million just from the Franchise Fees alone and i am using the most conservative estimates here and this amount does not even factor in the tv rights income, title sponsorship, other sponsorship, and gates revenue, merchandising.

    Hosting the PSL will be a cheaper excercise for the PCB compared to UAE and should be profitable in the long run and the PCB can use the funds to modernize, upgrade the stadiums all over the country and even develop 5 star hotel facilities close to the grounds.

    Yes 18 teams sounds insane right now but the NBA has 30 teams. The excess number of teams does not make a big difference if you have big money powers owning and running these teams like a private franchise. One thing i know for certain, the competition to get into the playoffs i.e. the top 4 teams will intensify and no Franchise will rest easy assuming they will get in.

    In order to make this model successful the PCB will have to develop a format suitable where each team plays each other twice in their respective home grounds and the format should be in line with the 2019 ODI WC format where all teams play each other and there are no flukes. This is something that the PCB will need to dig deep on but it can be achieved.
    You really do live in an Utopia don't you?

    Lol at mentioning PSL in the same sentence as the NBA

  76. #76
    Debut
    Jul 2013
    Runs
    18,665
    Mentioned
    868 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    Yeah, Faisla's the Manchester of Pakistan. What's the situation with likes of Sialkot, Gujranwala etc?
    Those two cities are not significant and different enough.

  77. #77
    Debut
    Jun 2017
    Venue
    Manchester
    Runs
    3,075
    Mentioned
    82 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Those two cities are not significant and different enough.
    I reckon anybody that has the stadia and facilities would be significant. It would be great if PSL can reach the further corners of population rather than just being the enjoyment of the big boys.

  78. #78
    Debut
    Jul 2013
    Runs
    18,665
    Mentioned
    868 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    I reckon anybody that has the stadia and facilities would be significant. It would be great if PSL can reach the further corners of population rather than just being the enjoyment of the big boys.
    Sialkot is same as Lahore. Or similar..very close proximity too.

    Why all teams have to be Punjab based or Lahore based/close proximity.

    At least some differentiator in faisalabad and Hyderabad.

    At max 1 team should be added in a few years.. so let's see what it is.

  79. #79
    Debut
    Jul 2015
    Venue
    London, England
    Runs
    1,846
    Mentioned
    135 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Personally I would love to see more teams in the PSL but for that to happen we might need bigger players, the PSL to have more seasons completely in Pakistan and better facilities for players and crowds. Also we won't be able to attract big names in playing and coaching if the PSL hasn't establish itself Pakistan trouble free.

  80. #80
    Debut
    Oct 2016
    Runs
    15,071
    Mentioned
    153 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    If the NBA can have 30 teams, why can't the PSL have a total of 18 teams like i have proposed? It is perfectly possible on paper and this is even better for the PCB because if each Franchise pays it an annual Franchise fee of $500,000-$2,000,000 from the cheapest to the expensive Franchise, the PCB can easily make $10 million to $36 million just from the Franchise Fees alone and i am using the most conservative estimates here and this amount does not even factor in the tv rights income, title sponsorship, other sponsorship, and gates revenue, merchandising.

    Hosting the PSL will be a cheaper excercise for the PCB compared to UAE and should be profitable in the long run and the PCB can use the funds to modernize, upgrade the stadiums all over the country and even develop 5 star hotel facilities close to the grounds.

    Yes 18 teams sounds insane right now but the NBA has 30 teams. The excess number of teams does not make a big difference if you have big money powers owning and running these teams like a private franchise. One thing i know for certain, the competition to get into the playoffs i.e. the top 4 teams will intensify and no Franchise will rest easy assuming they will get in.

    In order to make this model successful the PCB will have to develop a format suitable where each team plays each other twice in their respective home grounds and the format should be in line with the 2019 ODI WC format where all teams play each other and there are no flukes. This is something that the PCB will need to dig deep on but it can be achieved.
    18 teams in T20 league format would be too much. I doubt we can even find these many overseas players in the world who can be part of these 18 teams and that is a must to have a certain brand value in PSL.

    No country in the world can have 18 teams in a T20 league, find marketable overseas players and can make a schedule to have it finished within 1.5, 2 months max.

    Yes involving the biggest Pakistani groups in the domestic structure and in the remaining PSL teams or teams which become available in future would definitely be a good idea. If we compare it to IPL where few of the biggest Indian groups have been involved, PSL has none of the biggest Pakistani groups involved in any of the franchises as owners. Huge amount of money will come in and can be offered to overseas players if the names you have mentioned can be attracted to PSL as owners.
    Last edited by Titan24; 20th March 2020 at 18:43.


Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •