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    Jews were not the original NATIVES of Jerusalem

    Bibi and other extremist Zionist claim whole of Jerusalem by claiming that it was the Jewish Land of their ancestors and thus they have the right to kick out all the Palestinians out of this land.

    The real Original Natives of Palestine were the Philistines, Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, while the Jews were only the invaders who occupied their land after massacring them (even the women and the children were slaughtered too according to the Bible).

    Philistines People:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines
    Those were the people who were non Jewish and lived in the areas of Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron, and Gath, from Wadi Gaza in the south to the Yarqon River in the north.
    They lived there before the formation of Kingdom of Israel. The Philistines were an ancient people known for their conflict with the Israelites described in the Bible.

    Native People of Jerusalem were "Jebusites" who were massacred by Jewish prophet/god:Native people of Jerusalem were also Non Jewish. They were called Jebusite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jebusite).
    Later they were attacked and massacred by Moses and only then it became a Jewish city.

    Philistines, Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites all existed in this land before Abraham:Genesis 21:22-27 confirms the presence of Philistine even before Abraham. The king of Philistine at Abraham's time was Abimelech.
    And also Hittites, Armorites, Perizzites, Hivites all were present in this land before Abraham. Later Jewish Prophets/god killed all of them and made their land Jewish State.
    Genesis 15
    (17) When the sun had set and darkness had fallen, a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces. 18 On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, “To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi[e] of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates— 19 the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, 20 Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, 21 Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites.”
    Jewish god could make this promise to Abraham only when these nations already existed in this land at time of Abraham.


    Abraham himself was not the native of this land, but he was born in the city of "Ur of the Chaldees", which is situated in the Southern Iraq. [Genesis 12:4–6] further tells that Abraham migrated to this land only when he was 75 years old.



    And extremist Zionists are not going to stay in the present boundaries of Israel, but they are looking for the greater Israel for sure (including norther Saudi Arabia and Syria and Parts of Iraq).
    Last edited by Vega; 18th February 2020 at 14:24.

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    I thought it would be a study based on genetic research, but it is even better, using The Bible as the clinching evidence.

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    Mizrahi(Middle Eastern) and Sephardic(North African) Jews are descendants of the original Jews. The question of whether or not Ashkenazi(European) Jews originally came from Judea is debatable. Some claim that they are, while others claim that they’re actually the descendants of Khazar Turks who converted to Judaism and migrated to Eastern Europe.

    A lot of Palestinian Muslims and Christians are also descendants of the original Jews who converted to Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamM97 View Post
    Mizrahi(Middle Eastern) and Sephardic(North African) Jews are descendants of the original Jews. The question of whether or not Ashkenazi(European) Jews originally came from Judea is debatable. Some claim that they are, while others claim that they’re actually the descendants of Khazar Turks who converted to Judaism and migrated to Eastern Europe.
    It doesn't matter if Mizrahi and Sephardic are original Jews or not, while the ORIGINAL Jews were also not the ORIGNAL NATIVE of this LAND.

    Original Jews KILLED (Actually MASSACRED) the Original Native of this Land.

    This MASSACRE was so bloody that Jews killed each and every Man and even slaughtered ALL the women and children too.

    Here are the proofs.

    https://www.biblestudytools.com/deuteronomy/20.html
    (Deuteronomy 20:10-17)
    10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace.
    11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you.
    12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city.
    13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.
    14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.
    15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
    16However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
    17 Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the LORD your God has commanded you.
    https://www.biblestudytools.com/numbers/31.html
    (Numbers 31)
    7 They (army of Israelites) fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man.
    8 ...
    9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder.
    10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps.
    11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals,
    12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses ...
    13 ...
    14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.
    15“Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them.
    16“They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people.
    17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
    https://www.biblestudytools.com/deuteronomy/2.html
    (Deuteronomy 2)
    33 the LORD our God delivered him (Sihon king of Heshbon) over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army.
    34 At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed them—men, women and children. We left no survivors.
    35 But the livestock and the plunder from the towns we had captured we carried off for ourselves.
    Exactly this same thing was repeated with Og king of Bashan where all men, women and children were killed without any survivor (Deuteronomy 3: 1-7)

    https://www.biblestudytools.com/deuteronomy/3.html
    (Deuteronomy 3)
    3 So the LORD our God also gave into our hands Og king of Bashan and all his army. We struck them down, leaving no survivors.
    4 At that time we took all his cities. There was not one of the sixty cities that we did not take from them—the whole region of Argob, Og’s kingdom in Bashan.
    5 All these cities were fortified with high walls and with gates and bars, and there were also a great many unwalled villages.
    6 We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city—men, women and children.
    7 But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off for ourselves.
    8 So at that time we took from these two kings of the Amorites the territory east of the Jordan, from the Arnon Gorge as far as Mount Hermon.
    9 (Hermon is called Sirion by the Sidonians; the Amorites call it Senir.)
    10 We took all the towns on the plateau, and all Gilead, and all Bashan as far as Salekah and Edrei, towns of Og’s kingdom in Bashan.
    https://www.biblestudytools.com/joshua/6.html
    (Joshua 6)
    21 They devoted the city (of Jericho) to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.
    ....
    24 Then they burned the whole city and everything in it, but they put the silver and gold and the articles of bronze and iron into the treasury of the LORD’s house.
    https://www.biblestudytools.com/1-sa...-samuel+15:2-3

    1 Samuel 15:3
    Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’ ”


    Therefore, there exists no Original Native of this land anymore.

    In fact, after the formation of UN, there should be no question anymore of any such "historical claims".

    But extremist Zionists are still making their claims on this land on the bases of their history, but actually their own history is negating them.

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    Considering Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Torah, this does not come as a surprise.

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    UN can not Impose anything On Isreal as long as American, british, french veto power is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vega View Post
    It doesn't matter if Mizrahi and Sephardic are original Jews or not, while the ORIGINAL Jews were also not the ORIGNAL NATIVE of this LAND.

    Original Jews KILLED (Actually MASSACRED) the Original Native of this Land.

    This MASSACRE was so bloody that Jews killed each and every Man and even slaughtered ALL the women and children too.

    Here are the proofs.


    https://www.biblestudytools.com/deuteronomy/20.html

    https://www.biblestudytools.com/numbers/31.html


    https://www.biblestudytools.com/deuteronomy/2.html
    Exactly this same thing was repeated with Og king of Bashan where all men, women and children were killed without any survivor (Deuteronomy 3: 1-7)

    https://www.biblestudytools.com/deuteronomy/3.html


    https://www.biblestudytools.com/joshua/6.html

    https://www.biblestudytools.com/1-sa...-samuel+15:2-3

    I wouldn't treat the OT as reliable history if I were you. It was rewritten a lot by local rulers to talk up their claims for territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Considering Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Torah, this does not come as a surprise.
    Salem is mentioned early in the Pentateuch - generally considered to be the same place.

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    Yeah and the Ashkenazi ruling elite of Israel are mostly of European heritage lol.

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    I wouldn't be surprised, as the Israelites had many 'holy' conquests.

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    Israel is the noy standing Apartheid state in the world and what’s worse is majority of the world is supposed to support, envy and encourage their apartheid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I wouldn't treat the OT as reliable history if I were you. It was rewritten a lot by local rulers to talk up their claims for territory.
    I don't believe in any religious book at all.

    But Issue here is the belief of JEWs itself. They claim the ownership of whole Palestine by using this same OT. But their bad luck that this same OT refutes them about their ownership.

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    I think everyone knows that most of the Jews in Israel have European heritage. Sephardic Jews have Arabic heritage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minamino View Post
    I think everyone knows that most of the Jews in Israel have European heritage. Sephardic Jews have Arabic heritage.
    Thing is that NO Jew (even the Sephradic Arabic Jews) are the Original Natives of this land, but according to the bible, Jewish Kings slaughtered each and every Native men, women and children of this land.

    Therefore, when Netanyahu claims this land on the bases of ancestry, then it has no value.

    Unfortunately, rest of the world does not know what has been written in Bible about the bloodshed of innocent women and children and slaughter of all prisoners. Only if they come to know it, then they will not support this "Religion Orient Right Wing of Jewish Population" and also not to their right wing policies for the state of Israel.

    Israel with religious boundaries mean that Israelis are going to go for the Greater Israel sooner or later.

    This is the main issue with the Religious People and Religious State that they claim while any imaginary God promised them this land, therefore this is their birthright to take it while slaughtering all men, women and children.


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