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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Counter argument is that he was too hot too handle and made sure Miller remained off strike. Isn't that good?

    One will need to be seriously biased to criticise Raufís performance today.
    Yeah I wish he was this smart and had such high bowling IQ.

    If you would have said that Miller was scared of facing our speed demon, it would have been slightly more believable.

    You donít need to be biased to conclude that Rauf isnít and will not be good enough, but I guess our fans will learn it the hard way as always.

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    He has the x factor and passion as well as decent skills Hes exactly the type of pace bowler pakistan needs Someone with character and 90mph bowling

    He ll have bad days in this day and age with flat tracks and 300 plus runs ten a penny Who wont?

    But he will come back with good performances Lets back him Hes bowled well today

    Good on him
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    Do not get your hopes high. He is a very ordinary bowler. No swing, no line and no brain!

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    Yeah I am still not convinced

    Ok he is a good death bowler
    But so are a bunch of t20 mercenaries but they're not good bowlers are they?

    There's more to bowling than just bowling two good death overs


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    Has the best seam amongst the PK bowlers but isn't making the best use. He needs to bowl fuller( and I am not talking about 1/2 volleys) and threaten the outside edge. He needs to stop bowling the short stuff because it's harmless rubbish.

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    There's more to bowling than just bowling two good death overs
    By our current standards, that's good.



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    He bowled well today.hopefully he will become more consistant when he plays more games.

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    After a brilliant performance in the 2nd ODI (3/54), Haris picks up where he left off in the 3rd game. A powerplay maiden to start.


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    Needs to keep it full, not half volleys. Please don't ball short because it's just rubbish.

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    I guess only people with limited knowledge of cricket rate Harris Rauf...

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    Excellent work by Haris today - game could have drifted away


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    Has looked better when he has included a few slower balls into his repertoire. Unlike the same old predictable crap that he resorts to bowling.


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    Def improvement, if only he stops bowling these crappy short balls to top order batsman. He has the best seam amongst the PK right armers and needs to attack the outside edge. He could learn alot from watching Mohd Shami

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    Bowled very well today.

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    Pakistan's best bowler again today.

    Not many loose deliveries and didn't try to be too clever either.

    Great effort.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Only delusional people thought this street cricket could cut it at the professional level.

    As I have said many times, the more he plays, the more he will get exposed. I donít care about Qalandars but Pakistan needs to cut its losses.

    He is a match-loser at this level.
    Aha

    Tell us more at this level...

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    Haris Rauf has outperformed our supposed only match-winner bowler two games in a row.

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    I don't like him as a cricketer but he bowled very well today.

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    Haris Rauf keeps improving. Best bowler again today and provided the most crucial breakthrough.

    Some posters here will keep calling him a "street cricketer" but then again they don't have any credibility to begin with.

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    He can become a very useful bowler for us in future.

    An attacking option during middle overs and death overs' specialist. Invaluable.


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    Arsenal all the way!! (and Pakistan, of course!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Pakistan's best bowler again today.

    Not many loose deliveries and didn't try to be too clever either.

    Great effort.
    Nawaz did the damage more I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Aha

    Tell us more at this level...
    Rauf is a loose cannon who is always on the cusp of getting smashed. He has no control, no bowling intelligence - he just runs without any thought and throws rocks at the batsmen.

    Every now and then, he might fluke a couple of good spells, but if Pakistan is banking on him to become a regular in the white ball teams, it is going to suffer a lot of thrashings.

    Indian, English and Australian batsmen will rip him apart. I am waiting for the day the likes of Rohit, Kohli, KL Rahul, Dhawan, Pant, Pandya, Bairstow, Roy, Buttler, Warner, Finch etc. get hold of him.

    It is best for Pakistan cricket in the long run if fans don’t put too much stock into performances against this South African team. However, it is not going to happen.
    Last edited by Firebat; 7th April 2021 at 22:52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Rauf is a loose cannon who is always on the cusp of getting smashed. He has no control, no bowling intelligence - he just runs without any thought and throws rocks at the batsmen.

    Every now and then, he might fluke a couple of good spells, but if Pakistan is banking on him to become a regular in the white ball teams, it is going to suffer a lot of thrashings.

    Indian, English and Australian batsmen will rip him apart. I am waiting for the day the likes of Rohit, Kohli, KL Rahul, Dhawan, Pant, Pandya, Bairstow, Roy, Buttler, Warner, Finch etc. get hold of him.

    It is best for Pakistan cricket in the long run if fans don’t put too much stock into performances against this South African team. However, it is not going to happen.
    Thanks


    I’ll refer to this post later as well...

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    Shaheen, Hassan, Hanain, Rauf are all average bowlers. Amir remains the best white ball bowler in the country

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Thanks


    Iíll refer to this post later as well...
    Sure. You can write my name on a piece of paper just like you did last year when I told you that Naseem will flop in England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Sure. You can write my name on a piece of paper just like you did last year when I told you that Naseem will flop in England.
    I’ve got that in my pocket, just like I’ve got you right there as well..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Rauf is a loose cannon who is always on the cusp of getting smashed. He has no control, no bowling intelligence - he just runs without any thought and throws rocks at the batsmen.

    Every now and then, he might fluke a couple of good spells, but if Pakistan is banking on him to become a regular in the white ball teams, it is going to suffer a lot of thrashings.

    Indian, English and Australian batsmen will rip him apart. I am waiting for the day the likes of Rohit, Kohli, KL Rahul, Dhawan, Pant, Pandya, Bairstow, Roy, Buttler, Warner, Finch etc. get hold of him.

    It is best for Pakistan cricket in the long run if fans don’t put too much stock into performances against this South African team. However, it is not going to happen.
    "Throws rockets at the batsmen" lol...Did u watch the match and see his slower balls? Pollock was very impressed with his speed from mid 140's dropping to 120's and deceiving the batsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ataullah View Post
    "Throws rockets at the batsmen" lol...Did u watch the match and see his slower balls? Pollock was very impressed with his speed from mid 140's dropping to 120's and deceiving the batsmen.
    Shawn Pollock is part of the 99% of delusional cricket fans

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    I was skeptical about Rauf but he is improving.If he learns to swing the ball both ways then at his pace he can trouble batsmen.He didn't bowl any yorkers either.We have lots of quicks but most of them are young and raw.

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    A good ODI series for him and I believe he exceeded expectations of most. SA is not an easy place to adjust to straight away and he wasnt much of an established bowler in ODI cricket to start with as well. Much better control in last 2 matches than we saw against Zim and if he can build it upon from here it will be good for his career.

    Highest wicket taker in series with 7 wickets in 3 matches along with Nortje who took them in 2 matches.

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    He did well in this series. Not sure about him for ODIs, but as I have said I don't mind him for T20s as he can just concentrate on bowling fast and doesn't need to over think things in that format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silent ischemia View Post
    Shaheen, Hassan, Hanain, Rauf are all average bowlers. Amir remains the best white ball bowler in the country
    Shaheen has more pace, more venom, more swing, better control than Amir. Remember WC 19. Shaheen was 19 and Amir was 27.

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    Pakistani fans are too obsessed with pace and aggression. We donít need bowlers who scream like a mad man and wears gold chains.

    We need bowlers who have intelligence and control. This has been Pakistanís biggest problem in the fast bowling department for ages, even though we have had the likes of Wahab to fulfill the pace and aggression quota.

    I watched Bhuvneshwar Kumar against England in the recent LOI series and his intelligence and control was incredible to watch.

    He was swinging the new ball and kept bowling a length that the likes of Roy, Bairstow, Buttler, Morgan, Stokes etc. couldnít get under.

    He was the main reason England won both the ODI and T20I series.

    He cannot scream like Rauf and would probably get knocked out by him in a few seconds, but Rauf against those English batsmen on those Indian pitches would get hit for boundaries harder than he can scream.

    Take Rauf to IPL and he will regularly go for 50+ runs.

    In recent years, Amir and Shaheen are the only two Pakistani bowlers who have shown intelligence. Even Hassan Ali, who is a genuine wicket-taker when on song, appears to be clueless whenever the batsmen take him on.

    Pakistan needs to swallow its pride and get Amir back in the team. He has plenty left in the tank if his workload is managed. He has retired from Tests and there is no need to him playing him in every T20, but he should be a fixture in the ODI side.

    Pakistan needs to get rid of battering rams like Rauf who is a captainís nightmare because he could go off the rails at any given moment and cannot be relied upon - at any given instance, he could completely lose the plot and show no regard to the field positions or match situation.

    Core cricket skills are learned in FC cricket. Rauf is just a tape ball bowler who got fast-tracked on the basis of a few white ball games.

    You cannot expect intelligence and control from someone who has only 7 FC wickets in his career.

    He has no idea how to set the batsmen up, how to maintain control over long spells etc. He is just a bowling machine with no thought-process and his calibration is usually off.

    We keep hearing that domestic pitches are now improved and batting-friendly, so this is the time to reward young bowlers who have done well in both FC and LA and also have reasonable experience.

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    If he can keep improving his control then i belive he has the wicket taking ability.i like his aggression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Rauf is a loose cannon who is always on the cusp of getting smashed. He has no control, no bowling intelligence - he just runs without any thought and throws rocks at the batsmen.

    Every now and then, he might fluke a couple of good spells, but if Pakistan is banking on him to become a regular in the white ball teams, it is going to suffer a lot of thrashings.

    Indian, English and Australian batsmen will rip him apart. I am waiting for the day the likes of Rohit, Kohli, KL Rahul, Dhawan, Pant, Pandya, Bairstow, Roy, Buttler, Warner, Finch etc. get hold of him.

    It is best for Pakistan cricket in the long run if fans don’t put too much stock into performances against this South African team. However, it is not going to happen.
    You forgot to add Klassen and Markham lol.

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    Looks like another one of those bad days for Rauf today

    2 overs for 31 so far.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Looks like another one of those bad days for Rauf today

    2 overs for 31 so far.
    If those were Amirís figures, people wouldíve called for his head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bujhee kom View Post
    To suggest you (who are not a cricketer) understand the game better than all the cricket professionals in the Pk establishment is rank arrogance.

    Rauf is clear useless but with his pace I can see why Pk gave him a go. The experiment needs to end, however.
    He’s having a bad game. Part and parcel for cricketers


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    He's poor. As simple as that. On paper he had a decent ODI series but those dismissals were pretty average if you watched it. He served up some dross that was caught on the boundary - against better batting lineups those balls would have been dispatched to the boundary. Looks to be Mohammed Sami V2 really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    He’s having a bad game. Part and parcel for cricketers
    No, he just isn't very good. He needs more time if age allows.

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    Most of pakistans bowlers have been taken to the cleaners today including rauf whos been poor

    He ll be back

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    This is a 200 + wicket even top edges and mistimed shots are sailing to the small boundary.

    Pure batting pitch

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    Good comeback from Rauf (and Pakistan) - taken 1/35 so far


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    Third over was excellent. Yorkers which are his strength and in that over he didn't try to be too clever.



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    This is still a big score by RSA.

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    Amazing shot by Pheh. Batting has evolved so much in this past decade.

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    Patience is the name of the game. A great over under pressure and Pakistan have a decent score to chase.

    Well done Rauf!

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    Rauf needs to improve needs to develop variations and use more intelligence .

    The bigger worry is shaheen who has been absolute crap for a while for all the hype he's pretty average

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    Rauf won't last too long in international cricket, lacks game intelligence and skill a fast bowler needs . He is promoted from street cricket to international cricket , bypassing club cricket and FC cricket, will take its toll.

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    Rauf out of todays game. he was ok in the last game for one spell.

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    I thought he was the best of our pacers today considering it was one heck of a road today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    You forgot to add Klassen and Markham lol.
    And Rassie Van Der Dussen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Pakistani fans are too obsessed with pace and aggression. We don’t need bowlers who scream like a mad man and wears gold chains.

    We need bowlers who have intelligence and control. This has been Pakistan’s biggest problem in the fast bowling department for ages, even though we have had the likes of Wahab to fulfill the pace and aggression quota.

    I watched Bhuvneshwar Kumar against England in the recent LOI series and his intelligence and control was incredible to watch.

    He was swinging the new ball and kept bowling a length that the likes of Roy, Bairstow, Buttler, Morgan, Stokes etc. couldn’t get under.

    He was the main reason England won both the ODI and T20I series.

    He cannot scream like Rauf and would probably get knocked out by him in a few seconds, but Rauf against those English batsmen on those Indian pitches would get hit for boundaries harder than he can scream.

    Take Rauf to IPL and he will regularly go for 50+ runs.

    In recent years, Amir and Shaheen are the only two Pakistani bowlers who have shown intelligence. Even Hassan Ali, who is a genuine wicket-taker when on song, appears to be clueless whenever the batsmen take him on.

    Pakistan needs to swallow its pride and get Amir back in the team. He has plenty left in the tank if his workload is managed. He has retired from Tests and there is no need to him playing him in every T20, but he should be a fixture in the ODI side.

    Pakistan needs to get rid of battering rams like Rauf who is a captain’s nightmare because he could go off the rails at any given moment and cannot be relied upon - at any given instance, he could completely lose the plot and show no regard to the field positions or match situation.

    Core cricket skills are learned in FC cricket. Rauf is just a tape ball bowler who got fast-tracked on the basis of a few white ball games.

    You cannot expect intelligence and control from someone who has only 7 FC wickets in his career.

    He has no idea how to set the batsmen up, how to maintain control over long spells etc. He is just a bowling machine with no thought-process and his calibration is usually off.

    We keep hearing that domestic pitches are now improved and batting-friendly, so this is the time to reward young bowlers who have done well in both FC and LA and also have reasonable experience.
    Thanks for this. Great insight.

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    He's young, as is Hasnain. They are quick and have promise. Naseem too. Pakistan should ensure coaching and let them mature. No need to jettison them yet.

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    Babar hasn't been using him right. He should play the Umar Gul role in t20s by bowling 13, 15, 17 and 19th over.

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    Patience is the name of the game. This guy is developing well, and learning every game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Patience is the name of the game. This guy is developing well, and learning every game.
    These young quicks PK have should be persisted with for now.


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