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    He is a wicket taker, he just needs to stay calm and bowl in a controlled manner. He should not be trusted to bowl in power play as yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakPremi View Post
    He is a wicket taker, he just needs to stay calm and bowl in a controlled manner. He should not be trusted to bowl in power play as yet.
    Nawaz hit his last over for 17, including a horrendous no-ball 6. When should he be bowling?


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    Of Bhumrah with his unconventional stuttering Runup and action can graduate from T/0 to tests, I think Rauf can too. But he needs to be coached and taught how to bowl according to conditions and more importantly how to bowl according to a plan. Use the seam to generate movement. This cross seam stuff is pretty bad.

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    Problem with Rauf is that he still looks as raw as when he debuted in PSL in 2018. Still not much consistency with regards to the lengths and areas which he should be bowling with tendency to go either too short or full. Yes when he gets it right he can take few wickets but currently not much reliable in my opinion. Needs to really put in the hard yards to improve his consistency.
    Last edited by Titan24; 26th February 2021 at 17:49.

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    He did have Rizwan dropped off his bowling to be fair to him, but for the most part his bowling is all over the place


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    0/41 from 3.2 overs.

    That wide, wide, 0, 6 sums him up really


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    You won't see a more clueless and thoughtless bowling performance in a T20 than Rauf's today versus Multan.

    All over the place is the best way to describe it.



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    Feels like every time i watch he's getting hammered.

    An economy of 12.30 in this match. Truly a match-losing bowler.

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    Rubbish bowler

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    Only delusional people thought this street cricket could cut it at the professional level.

    As I have said many times, the more he plays, the more he will get exposed. I don’t care about Qalandars but Pakistan needs to cut its losses.

    He is a match-loser at this level.

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    It has been two years of professional cricket yet 99% of the deliveries pitched are awful deliveries

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    Better from Haris towards the end of the innings - some quick stuff too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Better from Haris towards the end of the innings - some quick stuff too.
    David Gower "Haris Rauf is one of the special bowlers in this competition"


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    Genuine fast bowling from the pakistan quicks, rauf and shaheen reminiscent of wasim and waqar in this game

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    Haris in the team for the 1st ODI vs South Africa. Has been uncharacteristically economical so far as well, for his standards anyway


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    Why are the Pakistani selectors/team obssessed with this bowler ? I just dont't get it. Has no domestic performance and has been horrible in international outings, yet keeps getting selected in every format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Extreme Pace View Post
    Why are the Pakistani selectors/team obssessed with this bowler ? I just dont't get it. Has no domestic performance and has been horrible in international outings, yet keeps getting selected in every format.
    I was literally going to say the exact same thing! I can’t remember any impactful performance from this guy outside of big bash league. The guy is a poor mans Wahab Riaz , and doesn’t seem capable of learning extra skills. Why is pcb so in love with this guy someone please help me out here!!!

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    Match losing spray gun. Don’t care about “wicket taking ability” if you release all the pressure in limited overs cricket because you’re too greedy and brainless to bowl a consistent line and length


    Hard to get a handle on this double edged sword

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    His short ball always gets hit to the same place- just behind square on the leg side.

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    A typical Haris over

    Four ball
    Bouncer
    Poor ball
    Slower ball
    Another four ball
    Great ball




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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    A typical Haris over

    Four ball
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    Another four ball
    Great ball
    He is too angry to play cricket, the bloke needs psycho therapy to address things which may have happened in his life that he is blocking out, once he addresses these mental issues he can live a more peaceful life and in doing so will become a better cricketer.

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    Rauf main problem is he bowls too short far too often.

    He has a nice bowling action, lovely seam position and good pace.

    But for some reason he wants to bowl back of a length and when it goes wide it becomes a buffet ball for a top batsman.

    He needs to pitch it up fearlessly and then bowl the odd bouncer.

    HeÂ’s got the ingredients to be a top bowler but just needs to get plan and execute it better.

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    It’s rare that watching someone bowl makes one angry but Haris somehow does that


    Hard to get a handle on this double edged sword

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    His pace is also overrated.

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    One flaw is that he is trying to be a bit too clever and trying too many variations.

    To be able to mix it up and vary your bowling this match requires a lot of skill, but the fact is that Rauf doesn't possess the levels of skill or experience yet.

    He needs to keep things simple and not try to be too smart.



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    Worse version of wahab


    Hard to get a handle on this double edged sword

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    The amount of deliveries he has bowled middle and leg to rhb is frustrating to watch

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    Isn't this guy supposed to be a white-ball death bowler?


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    What do people expect from a tape ball bowler? He never was and never will be good enough for this level.

    Only deluded people with no cricketing knowledge thought otherwise.

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    Awful game adds to a pathetic start to his ODI career.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    One flaw is that he is trying to be a bit too clever and trying too many variations.

    To be able to mix it up and vary your bowling this match requires a lot of skill, but the fact is that Rauf doesn't possess the levels of skill or experience yet.

    He needs to keep things simple and not try to be too smart.
    You learn these things in domestic cricket, to setup batters. He is decent for 24 balls in a match, needs a lot of work in ODI, and Test in case he is considered.

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    His wicket of Miller is the reason why Pakistan are chasing 273 instead of 325

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    Why play him when you have Hasan Ali?

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    Got the wicket of a well set Miller though. Otherwise SA were looking for 310+

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    His international stats must be horrific by now. I think that is how he should be judged.


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    Joke of a bowler.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cric_lover4487 View Post
    Why play him when you have Hasan Ali?
    Need to reserve Hasan Ali for tests as well.

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    I am not sure if its just me that has noticed this but every times he bowls short, he gets hit for 4. Seems to be a bit thick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    His wicket of Miller is the reason why Pakistan are chasing 273 instead of 325
    Agree with you

    He is a wicket taker and should be backed. Can become Lian Plunkett of Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Got the wicket of a well set Miller though. Otherwise SA were looking for 310+
    A fuller ball gets a wicket. And then he bowls short again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    His wicket of Miller is the reason why Pakistan are chasing 273 instead of 325
    His tape ball bowling is the reason why Pakistan are chasing 273 instead of 233.

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    Who even rates him? This experiment should have been over 5 6 months ago.
    Too old to invest in, no skills and game awareness required from an international cricketer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    A fuller ball gets a wicket. And then he bowls short again.
    I know, he needs to play more international cricket to get rid of his immaturities.

    145+ kph bowlers are very rare and it would be naive to write him off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    His wicket of Miller is the reason why Pakistan are chasing 273 instead of 325
    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Got the wicket of a well set Miller though. Otherwise SA were looking for 310+
    Was a nothing ball actually, it was Millers mistake


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    He ll come good Hes a bit of a spray gun but has wicket taking ability like hes shown today

    He ll tighten up the more he plays cricket but hes a must as hes always got a wkt or two in him

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    I know, he needs to play more international cricket to get rid of his immaturities.

    145+ kph bowlers are very rare and it would be naive to write him off.
    International cricket is not the place where bowlers develop. He has to play 1st-Class Cricket. Especially if Pakistan is picking him in the Test squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    I know, he needs to play more international cricket to get rid of his immaturities.

    145+ kph bowlers are very rare and it would be naive to write him off.
    Ironically, he is probably best suited to Test cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Was a nothing ball actually, it was Millers mistake
    Nope. Good length, away movement off the seam with plenty of pace. It was a very good ball. Problem with Rauf is the in between bad balls.

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    Haris singlehandedly released all the pressure when SA were 55 for 4. This happens in T20s quite a bit too. His wickets come too expensive and not at the right time either.

    I think Misbah hopes Haris will ‘blow opposition away’ like he hopped in Australia that Irfan’s height will be an advantage on bouncy wickets. Trouble is, hope is not a strategy.

    An odd performance in 7/8 matches doesn’t justify keeping Rauf I am afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Was a nothing ball actually, it was Millers mistake
    Why do you have to be so bitter so often ?

    The ball moved away so it was a good ball, it’s just he doesn’t bowl that length consistently enough.

    A good full length means you can get driven by a good batsman but you also can take the edge if it moves in the air or off the wicket.

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    Why he continues to make any Pakistan team is beyond me. He averages at least two boundaries an over.

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    Well guys, his wicket of Miller proved to be crucial.

    Come back stronger I would hope

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    He bowls too many boundary balls for my liking and is clearly not very smart upstairs.

    If Pak keep on persisting with him he will be a liability more than an asset.

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    There was one moment today amongst several where he showed his lack of grey matter.

    He had long off up, he had the cover in and he goes and bowls a nice juicy overpitched ball outside off stump which the batman hit for 4 between mid off and cover.

    Really needs to think more about his bowling, instead of trying to be too clever and trying too many things.



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    Decent option in T20Is (though I don't think he should be in the first XI), but should be nowhere near the ODI side and absolutely never the Test team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    There was one moment today amongst several where he showed his lack of grey matter.

    He had long off up, he had the cover in and he goes and bowls a nice juicy overpitched ball outside off stump which the batman hit for 4 between mid off and cover.

    Really needs to think more about his bowling, instead of trying to be too clever and trying too many things.
    There are a lot of Dumb cricketers that have played for PK and this guy is trying to beat them all. If a short ball isnt getting up because of your action and it keeps getting whacked for 4, surely you would realise that it doesn't work for you.

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    Haris Raufs only talent is shouting and screaming at people. I have not seen a more unintellegent bowler in international cricket.

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    Spoke with Waqar about this and he basically said:

    1. It's only his 3rd ODI
    2. He's still very raw in the 50-over format
    3. He's trying too many things
    4. He's bowling in ODIs like he does in T20Is
    5. He's hopeful that he will get better
    6. Early success in your career can make you do funny things



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    Haris should be a T20 specialist only. He doesnt have the bowling IQ for longer formats. Hes just good at death bowling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Spoke with Waqar about this and he basically said:

    1. It's only his 3rd ODI
    2. He's still very raw in the 50-over format
    3. He's trying too many things
    4. He's bowling in ODIs like he does in T20Is
    5. He's hopeful that he will get better
    6. Early success in your career can make you do funny things
    Than why the hell is he being taught to bowl One Day bowling at international level?

    Send him back to play list a and NCA.

    Waqar Younis and Mohammad Waseem are just ******* and makes your blood boil.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Than why the hell is he being taught to bowl One Day bowling at international level?

    Send him back to play list a and NCA.

    Waqar Younis and Mohammad Waseem are just ******* and makes your blood boil.
    Don't think he's being taught to bowl in ODIs like he does in T20Is. It's more a question of him getting out of that mindset and even with all the coaching in the world, it's up to Rauf to make sure that happens.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Spoke with Waqar about this and he basically said:

    1. It's only his 3rd ODI
    2. He's still very raw in the 50-over format
    3. He's trying too many things
    4. He's bowling in ODIs like he does in T20Is
    5. He's hopeful that he will get better
    6. Early success in your career can make you do funny things
    Agree with Waqar here. Haris Rauf has been picked in all 3 formats. Clearly he has the gas to trouble quality batsmen and is miles ahead of someone like Naseem Shah when comes to temperament. I would stick with Haris Rauf and give him a fair amount of chance over the next 12 months.

    Haris Rauf’s motivation levels would be sky high knowing the fact that he is also backed for test cricket. I would not be surprised if he picks a 5 wicket haul in test cricket soon!

    People call him street cricketer, to me that is a compliment. I mean to come from streets and make a name in Big Bash is no mean feet and needs to be admired!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Agree with Waqar here. Haris Rauf has been picked in all 3 formats. Clearly he has the gas to trouble quality batsmen and is miles ahead of someone like Naseem Shah when comes to temperament. I would stick with Haris Rauf and give him a fair amount of chance over the next 12 months.

    Haris Rauf’s motivation levels would be sky high knowing the fact that he is also backed for test cricket. I would not be surprised if he picks a 5 wicket haul in test cricket soon!

    People call him street cricketer, to me that is a compliment. I mean to come from streets and make a name in Big Bash is no mean feet and needs to be admired!
    Imagine being a street cricketer and taking the big wicket of Miller, which proved to be the reason why your team just about managed to chase 274 instead of 335.

    Long live the streets!

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    He is a wicket taker.He needs better discipline.He gets carried away.He did not come through the system and not played a lot of cricket.He will get better with more experience

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    Should be dropped next game. Provided zero control, leaked too many runs and released all pressure. SA were 55/4 after 14 overs, at worse we should have restricted them to around 220-230, however due to the brilliance of Rauf and Shadab we couldn't even achieve such a basic goal. This is what separates average teams from good team- having the ability to capitalise on a top order collapse and restrict the opposition to a below average score. Rauf is just not good enough for international cricket. Both his skill set and cricketing mind is below par and if we as a team want to be considered a "good" limited over side than cricketers like him should stay well away from the team

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    Pakistan's selection of pacers for this ODI series has backed themselves into a corner.

    Haris Rauf is another player we've prematurely fast-tracked into internationals and whose experience primarily consists of T20 cricket. He's played 3 FC matches, 7 List A matches (3 ODIs) and 63 T20s. So is it any wonder his bowling and fitness is primarily geared towards 4 over spells ?

    In T20s you'll sometimes see six change-ups an over, whereas the longer forms require just hitting a hard length consistently and that's where Rauf struggles. He's also hasn't improved his runup, still takes too many paces.

    Then there's Hasan Ali who badly struggled on his last tour of South Africa, taking 2 wickets at 53 in the ODIs. His style of bowling is more suited to low bounce pitches in Asia.

    And Mohammad Wasim jr is not ready for international cricket.

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    Seriously over-rated.. The longer he plays the more he will be exposed...

    As Saj mentioned his every single over is a combination of

    Hit me ball, bouncer, slower ball, wide ball, hit me ball and a good ball..

    Yesterday from his over 1 to 10 i saw him spraying to the pads or the legside of the batsman consistently and he couldnt control it in the 60 balls he bowled...

    This let the SA batsman of the hook, with the scoring options rotating strike etc..

    For the Right hander RASSIE he bowled to this pads and for Miller he bowler wide outside off stump...

    It seems like a bowling machine programmed to bowl at the same area for 10 overs varying the pace. The bowling machine is named haris rauf..

    he needs a good 4 years of domestics to earn a int'l cap again...

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    Top notch bowling again from the street cricketer!

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    Impressive bowling today.

    Wicket-taker

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    He stepped up when it was needed. Needs to be developed for the middle overs.

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    Credit to Haris Rauf. I know some people here will criticize him regardless because of their bias against him rather than any actual logic. But he was Pakistan's best and only good bowler today, and bowled really well on a belter on which everyone was put to the sword.
    Last edited by RedwoodOriginal; 4th April 2021 at 17:20.

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    Easily Pakistan's best bowler today in only his 4th ODI:

    Excellent last 2 overs (47th and 49th of the innings):

    2 wickets
    6 runs (all singles)



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    What exactly did he do today? Bowled 1 ball at Miller out of his final 2 overs


    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. --Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Easily Pakistan's best bowler today in only his 4th ODI:

    Excellent last 2 overs (47th and 49th of the innings):

    2 wickets
    6 runs (all singles)
    Most likely because he just bowled 1 ball to Miller who barely got strike in last few overs


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Easily Pakistan's best bowler today in only his 4th ODI:

    Excellent last 2 overs (47th and 49th of the innings):

    2 wickets
    6 runs (all singles)
    Also add to that the stunning catch he took.

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    Cant fault his comittment.
    Puts effort behind every delivery.
    Needs a better bowling IQ.

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    Would have conceded 65+ as usual if he was bowling to Miller at the death.

    Anyone who is pinning hopes on this guy and thinks he is going to develop into a quality white ball bowler with more experience is only setting himself up for disappointment.

    Him, Hasnain and Rauf - all of them are lost causes.

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    This is why you people should hold off and give players time to perform

    Haris rauf has something in him Hes a wkt taker and has character Hes got skills and just needs backing

    People just need to show some patience Its only his 4th odi fgs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Would have conceded 65+ as usual if he was bowling to Miller at the death.

    Anyone who is pinning hopes on this guy and thinks he is going to develop into a quality white ball bowler with more experience is only setting himself up for disappointment.

    Him, Hasnain and Rauf - all of them are lost causes.
    Counter argument is that he was too hot too handle and made sure Miller remained off strike. Isn't that good?

    One will need to be seriously biased to criticise Rauf’s performance today.

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    Even if he didn't bowl much to Miller at the death, he bowled better than any of his peers on that track. I think Rauf has shown in these two games why he's a rather enigmatic bowler.

    One expensive performance followed by a good display with no middle ground. That's what happens when you fast-track bowlers so soon in their development instead of letting them season in domestic cricket.

    The problem is there's no experienced bowlers in this lineup to guide him along. Shaheen is still learning his craft, Hasnain is very raw and Faheem has much room for improvement as an ODI bowler.


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