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    Coronavirus in UK

    Boris Johnson is set to escalate the UK's coronavirus response to the next phase - meaning schools could be forced to close, major sporting events cancelled and people made to work from home.

    The prime minister will chair an emergency COBRA meeting on Thursday where he is expected to declare that the UK will switch from trying to contain COVID-19 to delaying its spread.

    It comes as two more people in the UK diagnosed with the virus died - taking the total number of fatalities to eight.

    At present, the government has been focused on trying to stop coronavirus from being transmitted inside the country.

    On Monday, Mr Johnson suggested an escalation was likely - admitting the containment strategy was "extremely unlikely to work on its own".

    He went on to say that "extensive preparations" were under way to move to the "delay" phase to slow the virus' spread.

    Now, Mr Johnson is expected to confirm Britain has entered that second stage.

    New figures published on Wednesday morning showed that 460 people now have COVID-19 - a rise of 87 cases in 24 hours.

    In this next phase, the government will ramp up efforts to delay the spread of the illness by considering measures such as closing schools, postponing or cancelling large-scale gatherings and encouraging people to work from home.

    These "social distancing" tactics are the main tools available try to prevent accelerated transmission when no vaccine is yet available.

    Meanwhile, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has confirmed parliament will not close, despite health minister Nadine Dorries being diagnosed with COVID-19 and another MP going into self-isolation as a precaution.

    Mr Hancock admitted the Commons "may have to function differently" but insisted MPs' ability to create new laws to tackle the outbreak and scrutinise the government was "vital".

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...elled-11955695


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    My office is "eagerly" awaiting a decision to send staff home, already enforced in Denmark and Spain.

    Kids have been told, school will shut down by the end of the month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salman View Post
    My office is "eagerly" awaiting a decision to send staff home, already enforced in Denmark and Spain.

    Kids have been told, school will shut down by the end of the month.
    We have already set up our remote access so we can work at home for work. We are a massive firm so I won't be suprised if the seniors already knew of this escalation plans from the government.

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    Two more people have died after testing positive for coronavirus, bringing the total number of UK deaths to 10.

    There are now 596 confirmed cases in the UK, up from 456 on Wednesday - with 491 in England, 60 in Scotland, 20 in Northern Ireland and 25 in Wales.

    It comes as the government is expected to announce within hours that it is stepping up its coronavirus response.

    It is anticipated the UK will switch to tactics aimed at delaying its spread, rather than containing it.

    The latest two deaths were an 89-year-old at Charing Cross Hospital in London and a woman in her 60s at Queen's Hospital in Romford, NHS England said. They both had underlying health conditions.

    As of 09:00 GMT, a total of 29,764 people had been tested for the virus in the UK.

    The rise in confirmed cases - of 140 - is the first time the day-on-day increase has been more than 100.

    Meanwhile, the World Health Organization has labelled the outbreak of the disease as a pandemic.

    Schools, colleges and other public facilities in the Republic of Ireland are to close until 29 March.

    Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has called for the cancellation of mass gatherings of 500 people or more.

    She told the Scottish Parliament she will discuss this at the emergency Cobra meeting.

    Overnight, US President Donald Trump suspended travel to the US from 26 European countries - but not the UK or Ireland.

    In other developments:

    Three Leicester City players have self-isolated after showing symptoms of coronavirus
    Scottish Secretary Alister Jack suggested new UK measures could include requiring people to stay at home if they have a raised temperature combined with symptoms of a cold
    Barchester, which runs more than 200 care homes across the UK, has asked visitors to stay away
    A cabinet minister was confirmed as being in self-isolation while awaiting test results after coming into contact with minister Nadine Dorries, who has tested positive for the virus
    The Italian government forced all shops except food stores and pharmacies to close as the country strengthens its lockdown due to the virus
    Real Madrid footballers have gone into quarantine after a basketball player who shares training facilities with the La Liga club tested positive for the virus
    McLaren have withdrawn from this weekend's Australian Grand Prix after a team member tested positive
    Princess Cruises, which has seen more than 700 cases of the disease reported on its cruise ships, has paused operations until 10 May
    Prime Minister Boris Johnson is expected to sign off plans to move from the "containment" phase of the outbreak to "delay" at the Cobra meeting later.

    The UK is currently in the "containment" phase - the first stage of the government's four-part plan:

    Delay is where "social distancing" measures will be considered - which could include restrictions on public gatherings above a certain number of people, although this is not thought likely at this stage.

    The move could also result in people who show even minor signs of respiratory tract infections - such as a cough - or a fever soon being told to self-isolate.

    Speaking to BBC News, deputy chief medical officer for England Dr Jenny Harries said the introduction of social distancing measures should come at "exactly the right time".

    She also warned that members of the public wearing face masks could be putting themselves at more risk of contracting the virus - if they touch it with unwashed hands or put it on a surface they have not cleaned.

    "You can actually trap the virus in the mask and start breathing it in," she said.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51845861


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    Coronavirus: 10,000 in UK may have COVID-19 as measures ramped up to contain spread


    Coronavirus is the worst public health crisis in a generation and families will lose loved ones early because of it, Boris Johnson has announced.

    The prime minister said measures that cause "severe disruption across our country for many months" will be rolled out but it is vital they are not introduced too early.

    He declared the government is entering its second phase of the response to COVID-19, moving from trying to contain the virus to delaying its spread.

    Anyone with a new continuous cough or a high temperature should now self-isolate for seven days, according to Downing Street's latest advice.

    So far, 10 people in the UK have died who had COVID-19 and the World Health Organisation has declared a global pandemic.

    The number of confirmed cases in the UK reached 590 on Thursday - up by 134 in the last 24 hours.

    But Sir Patrick Vallance, the government's chief scientific adviser, said the actual number of people infected in the UK at the moment could be between 5,000 and 10,000.

    In a somber address following a lunchtime COBRA meeting, Mr Johnson said all school trips overseas should be cancelled and people over 70-years-old with serious medical conditions should not to go on cruises.

    Ministers are "considering" banning major public events such as sporting fixtures, he added.

    But the prime minister said schools should not close unless they are specifically told to.

    Mr Johnson defended his decision not to go further and copy countries like Ireland, which is closing schools, saying he was being guided by the science and the measures are right for the present phase of the pandemic.

    He warned that the most dangerous period is still weeks away as he stressed that the "lines of defence" must be deployed at the right time to maximise their effect.

    "The most important task will be to protect our elderly and most vulnerable people during the peak weeks when there is the maximum risk of exposure to the disease and when the NHS will be under the most pressure," the prime minister explained.

    "So the most dangerous period is not now but some weeks away depending on how fast it spreads."

    He added: "There is no escaping the reality that these measures will cause severe disruption across our country for many months. The best scientific advice is that this will help us slow the disease and save lives."

    But Mr Johnson also admitted "many more families are going to lose loved ones before their time" and "that this is the worst public health crisis for a generation".

    Professor Chris Whitty, England's chief medical officer, said up to 80% of all people in the UK could at some point get COVID-19 but cautioned that was currently an "entirely speculative number".

    New government advice published online said people should visit the NHS111 website rather than calling the helpline if possible.

    And all those self-isolating at home should try to sleep alone and ask friends and family to help order food and other supplies online or drop them off - but only outside the door.

    In Scotland, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has announced gatherings of more than 500 people will be cancelled to ease pressure on the NHS.

    The next phase of Whitehall's response plan - "research" - would see the government pivot to learn more about how the virus spreads and how those who are infected can be treated most effectively.

    And the fourth and final stage "mitigate" - would see public services including the police and NHS scaled back to a minimum to ensure vulnerable people are protected and health workers are supported in a surge of demand.

    Discussion between ministers and the opposition are already under way about emergency legislation.

    The laws are likely to give the government power to relax lots of regulations, including allowing larger class sizes, changes to rules on care homes and allowing retired medical professionals to return to work.

    Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg indicated they could start to be debated in the week beginning 23 March.

    The Electoral Commission has meanwhile called for mayoral, council and police and crime commissioner elections due to take place in May to be pushed back to the autumn.

    And the next round of Brexit trade talks will not go ahead as planned, UK and EU negotiators announced, saying they may now be done over video conference.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...id-19-11955910
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    Coronavirus: UK government considering banning sporting fixtures


    The UK government is considering banning sporting fixtures amid the coronavirus outbreak - but it will not happen immediately.

    On Thursday, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the UK will move to the "delay" phase of its plan to tackle the virus.

    There have been 596 confirmed cases across the UK, and 10 deaths.

    "We are considering banning major public events like sporting fixtures," said Johnson.

    "The scientific advice is this has little effect on the spread - but it does place a burden on other public services."

    Johnson added: "We are guided by the science; there is no medical reason at the moment to ban such events.

    "We are not saying no to that sort of measure, we are keeping it up our sleeves. But it is very, very important in order to maximise our interventions that we get the timing right."

    Chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance said cancelling sporting events is not a "major way to tackle this epidemic".

    "Of course there is a risk," he said. "But on average one person infects two or three others.

    "You therefore have a very low probability of infecting a large number of people in a stadium, or a rather higher probability of infecting people very close to you, and that means most of the transmission tends to takes place with friends and colleagues in close environments, not in the big environments.

    "It is true that any cancellations of things can have some effect (but) if you then get a displacement activity, when everyone congregates somewhere else, you may have perversely an increased risk, particularly in an indoors environment.

    "So it doesn't mean you should at some point make the decision for the resilience point that has been discussed, but this is not a major way to tackle this epidemic.

    "The major ways are to try and reduce and delay the transmission across households and people who have become infected and that why that is the concentration of the first actions."

    How has coronavirus affected sport across the world?
    European football's governing body Uefa has called an emergency meeting for Tuesday in which the possibility of postponing Euro 2020 by one year is an option being discussed.

    Seven of the tournament's matches are set to take place at Wembley Stadium in London, while others are due to be held in Glasgow and Dublin.

    Top flight football in Spain, Italy, Portugal, the Netherlands and the United States has been suspended amid the outbreak, while Manchester City's Champions League last-16 second leg tie against Real Madrid, due to take place on Tuesday, has been postponed.

    Three Leicester City first-team players are self-isolating after showing symptoms of the virus but the Premier League looks set to continue as normal.

    Ireland's FA has announced all football under its jurisdiction has been suspended until 29 March.

    Elsewhere in sport, the Australian Grand Prix has been called off while tennis' ATP Tour has shut down for six weeks.

    In rugby union, the Pro14 season has been suspended indefinitely while the NBA and NHL have suspended their seasons. The MLB has delayed the start of its season by two weeks.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/51859553
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    It sucks for Europe and North America where winter is still ongoing... Pakistan is already seeing temps in the high 20s and early 30s. If it rises further then it will further diminish the chances of the virus spreading unless travellers bring it from abroad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    It sucks for Europe and North America where winter is still ongoing... Pakistan is already seeing temps in the high 20s and early 30s. If it rises further then it will further diminish the chances of the virus spreading unless travellers bring it from abroad.
    There is no such study as of now that says this virus canít survive in hot climate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaayal View Post
    There is no such study as of now that says this virus can’t survive in hot climate.
    In that case I may have been subject to fake news.


    Mein inko rolaonga

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    Mass gatherings could be banned in the UK from as early as next weekend amid the outbreak of coronavirus.

    A government source said ministers are drawing up plans for the move - to ease pressure on emergency services.

    Scores of major sporting and cultural events have already been cancelled across the country in response to the pandemic.

    The number of confirmed cases of the virus in the UK rose to 798 on Friday and a total of 11 people have died.

    It is understood that ministers are working with the government's chief scientific adviser and chief medical adviser on plans to stop various types of public events.

    The source said: "There are many complex considerations to make all these measures as effective as possible.

    "We will make the right decisions at the right time based on the best scientific evidence."

    Former Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt had earlier questioned the government's decision to hold off cancelling large gatherings, describing the decision as "concerning".

    Acting Liberal Democrat leader Sir Ed Davey told BBC Newsnight that the government's "rapid change" in tactic following the cancellation of sporting events suggests it is "playing catch-up with the rest of British society".

    Shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth welcomed the move in an interview on the programme, but urged the government to be "clear" about its plans.

    "If that means publishing the scientific modelling so that all the experts can analyse it and peer review it and stress test it, if that maintains public confidence, that's an important step," the Labour MP said.

    The government's action plan - published last week - did raise the possibility of reducing the number of large-scale gatherings.

    However, the most recent tactics announced on Thursday advised people to self-isolate for seven days if they have a cough or fever.

    The UK's chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance previously said that shutting down mass events would not have a "big effect" on transmission rates, but he did not rule out such a move going forward.

    Whitehall sources said the government's approach has not changed but there are concerns about the burden that large events might put on health services and the police.

    Prominent events still set to go ahead include the Grand National in April, the 75th anniversary VE Day commemorations and Chelsea Flower Show in May, and Glastonbury Festival in June.

    It is thought a ban could start to take effect as early as next weekend, although exact timescales are not clear.

    Emergency legislation - including compensation for organisations affected by a temporary ban on big events - is due to be published next week.

    Many sports bodies did not wait for a government directive and have already suspended competitions amid the virus outbreak.

    Football authorities have announced the suspension of top-flight matches until early April, while Saturday's Wales v Scotland Six Nations rugby match was suspended and England's cricket tour of Sri Lanka was called off.

    Meanwhile, the Scottish government has already advised that gatherings of more than 500 people should be cancelled from next week.

    Media captionEverything you need to know about the coronavirus – explained in one minute by the BBC's Laura Foster
    Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced on Friday that local and mayoral elections in May were being postponed for a year until May 2021.

    And new restrictions are being imposed on visitor access to Parliament, while overseas travel by MPs and peers is being strongly discouraged.

    In other developments:

    US President Donald Trump declared a national emergency to handle the coronavirus outbreak, and indicated that the UK could soon be added to the list of European countries included in a US travel ban
    Shares rallied after Mr Trump spoke - a day after Wall Street suffered its biggest losses since 1987
    The head of the World Health Organization said Europe is now the "epicentre" of the pandemic
    British Airways said flights could be grounded "like never before" and staff laid off in a memo to employees about the airline's "survival"
    The London Marathon was rescheduled for 4 October, from 26 April
    The Queen postponed her public engagements next week, and Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall postponed their tour of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Cyprus and Jordan
    The Foreign Office has advised against all but essential travel to some areas of Spain, including Madrid, but flights will continue as normal

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51882897


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    Mass gatherings could be banned in the UK from as early as next weekend amid the outbreak of coronavirus.

    A government source said ministers are drawing up plans for the move - to ease pressure on emergency services.

    Scores of major sporting and cultural events have already been cancelled across the country in response to the pandemic.

    The number of confirmed cases of the virus in the UK rose to 798 on Friday and a total of 11 people have died.

    It is understood that ministers are working with the government's chief scientific adviser and chief medical adviser on plans to stop various types of public events.

    The source said: "There are many complex considerations to make all these measures as effective as possible.

    "We will make the right decisions at the right time based on the best scientific evidence."

    Former Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt had earlier questioned the government's decision to hold off cancelling large gatherings, describing the decision as "concerning".

    Acting Liberal Democrat leader Sir Ed Davey told BBC Newsnight that the government's "rapid change" in tactic following the cancellation of sporting events suggests it is "playing catch-up with the rest of British society".

    Shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth welcomed the move in an interview on the programme, but urged the government to be "clear" about its plans.

    "If that means publishing the scientific modelling so that all the experts can analyse it and peer review it and stress test it, if that maintains public confidence, that's an important step," the Labour MP said.

    The government's action plan - published last week - did raise the possibility of reducing the number of large-scale gatherings.

    However, the most recent tactics announced on Thursday advised people to self-isolate for seven days if they have a cough or fever.

    The UK's chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance previously said that shutting down mass events would not have a "big effect" on transmission rates, but he did not rule out such a move going forward.

    Whitehall sources said the government's approach has not changed but there are concerns about the burden that large events might put on health services and the police.

    Prominent events still set to go ahead include the Grand National in April, the 75th anniversary VE Day commemorations and Chelsea Flower Show in May, and Glastonbury Festival in June.

    It is thought a ban could start to take effect as early as next weekend, although exact timescales are not clear.

    Emergency legislation - including compensation for organisations affected by a temporary ban on big events - is due to be published next week.

    Many sports bodies did not wait for a government directive and have already suspended competitions amid the virus outbreak.

    Football authorities have announced the suspension of top-flight matches until early April, while Saturday's Wales v Scotland Six Nations rugby match was suspended and England's cricket tour of Sri Lanka was called off.

    Meanwhile, the Scottish government has already advised that gatherings of more than 500 people should be cancelled from next week.

    Media captionEverything you need to know about the coronavirus Ė explained in one minute by the BBC's Laura Foster
    Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced on Friday that local and mayoral elections in May were being postponed for a year until May 2021.

    And new restrictions are being imposed on visitor access to Parliament, while overseas travel by MPs and peers is being strongly discouraged.

    In other developments:

    US President Donald Trump declared a national emergency to handle the coronavirus outbreak, and indicated that the UK could soon be added to the list of European countries included in a US travel ban
    Shares rallied after Mr Trump spoke - a day after Wall Street suffered its biggest losses since 1987
    The head of the World Health Organization said Europe is now the "epicentre" of the pandemic
    British Airways said flights could be grounded "like never before" and staff laid off in a memo to employees about the airline's "survival"
    The London Marathon was rescheduled for 4 October, from 26 April
    The Queen postponed her public engagements next week, and Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall postponed their tour of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Cyprus and Jordan
    The Foreign Office has advised against all but essential travel to some areas of Spain, including Madrid, but flights will continue as normal

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51882897


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    Ten more people in the UK have died in the last 24 hours after testing positive for coronavirus, bringing the total number of deaths to 21.

    The UK government's chief medical adviser said the patients were all in "at-risk" groups from across England.

    The total number of confirmed cases in the UK has reached 1,140 while 37,746 people have been tested.

    It comes as US President Donald Trump has decided to suspend all travel from the US to the UK and Ireland.

    Vice president Mike Pence said the ban will begin at midnight on Monday eastern standard time.

    The 10 patients who have died in England were being cared for by nine NHS trusts including Buckinghamshire, Sandwell & West Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Leicester, Barts, North Middlesex and Chester.

    Prof Whitty, the UK government's chief medical adviser, said: "I understand this increase in the number of deaths linked to Covid-19 will be a cause for concern for many. The public should know every measure we are taking is seeking to save lives and protect the most vulnerable."

    He gave his "sincere condolences" to the friends and families affected, adding "every single one of us has a role to play" in reducing the spread of the virus.

    All of those who died had underlying health conditions and were over the age of 60.

    Most of the cases are in England. There have been 121 confirmed cases in Scotland, 60 in Wales and 34 in Northern Ireland.

    People who are self-isolating with mild symptoms are no longer being tested for the virus. The government said on Friday it estimated the true number of UK cases to be around 5,000 to 10,000.

    UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been meeting with officials at Downing Street to discuss the pandemic.

    A newborn baby and its mother are among the latest new cases of the virus in England.

    Medics are trying to confirm whether the baby, who was tested at North Middlesex Hospital, was infected during birth or before, according to the Sun newspaper.

    The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists said there was no evidence the virus can be passed on from pregnant women to babies before birth, but that due to how little is known about the new virus it would continue to update its guidance.

    Government advice adds there is "no clinical evidence" to suggest the virus can be transmitted through breast milk.

    "Infection can be spread to the baby in the same way as to anyone in close contact with you," it says.

    People visiting elderly and vulnerable relatives have been reminded to take extra care, after the government released new advice.

    Care home providers should ask anyone who is "generally unwell" not to visit, the advice says.

    Meanwhile, government sources said mass gatherings might soon be banned in the UK to ease pressure on emergency services. It is thought a ban could take effect as early as next weekend.

    Events still set to go ahead include the Grand National in April, the 75th anniversary VE Day commemorations and Chelsea Flower Show in May, and Glastonbury Festival in June.

    The increase in cases in the UK comes as people continue to stockpile food and household items. The government has said there was "no need" for people to do so but has also relaxed restrictions on delivery hours for shops to make sure they remain stocked.

    Online supermarket Ocado has taken its app offline due to "performance issues driven by continued high demand" while the website has crashed for many users.

    Former MP Luciana Berger called for members of the public to "look out for" each other after she said a man in a London supermarket refused to give an elderly lady one of his packets of pasta.

    She said the incident, which she posted about on Twitter, was "very upsetting".

    Meanwhile British holidaymakers face being stranded abroad as Spain is set to begin a two-week state of emergency, with bars, restaurants, shops and activities all closed.

    Jet2 planes heading to Spain were turned around in mid-air as the airline cancelled all flights to the mainland, Balearic Islands and the Canary Islands.

    The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) has advised against all but essential travel to parts of Spain as well as the whole of Poland.

    The Polish government has said all borders would be shut for 10 days at midnight. Some non-Polish nationals - such as spouses or children of Polish nationals - will still be allowed to enter the country,

    In other developments:

    All Apple stores outside of what the tech giant calls "Greater China" - that is China, Macau, Hong Kong and Taiwan - have been closed for two weeks. The tech giant reopened all 42 of its Chinese stores on Friday after they were closed for a month, causing a huge drop in iPhone sales
    The Labour Party and GMB union are calling for the government to use empty beds in "plush private hospitals" to ease the pressure on the NHS. The union says there are about 8,000 beds in the UK's private hospitals
    In an unprecedented 24 hours, most of the world's major sporting events have been postponed or cancelled because of the pandemic
    Catholic churches are preparing for the possibility they might have to suspend the celebration of Mass
    Most of the world's major sporting events have been postponed or cancelled because of the pandemic, including the Edinburgh Marathon
    Bath's annual half marathon is going ahead on Sunday despite local MP Wera Hobhouse saying it should be cancelled. Organisers said it is "now too late to cancel or postpone the event"
    The National Education Union has written to the prime minister to ask why the government has decided not to shut schools to help reduce the spread of the virus and asking for "fuller disclosure" of the models it has used during its decision-making process

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51889957


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    There are now people reaching HK and testing positive and they originated from the UK...

    Iím fear this government has let the country down badly.
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    As someone who lives in London the behaviour here has been absolutely shameful...

    People were told to deal with this crisis together...to actually show a bit of civic duty...and they have shown themselves to be nothing other than selfish...

    Empty supermarkets where people have been hoarding stuff...bizarrely with an obsession with toilet paper...my mum actually on her weekly shop managed to catch the final bit of toilet paper only to have a woman try and snatch it from her trolley and grapple her...the descent to behaving like animals...

    I remember during the riots too...it just brought the worst out of people...you have the selfish hoarders in this case...and then you have those who are buying things up to turn a profit...twelve hand sanitisers worth a pound each went for 900 on Ebay...one does hope that if the virus is going to strike someone it strikes the opportunists who try and profit from misery first...

    In terms of work...my own job here is ok for now but it's not the case for everyone...with some working from home...and in a job like mine which requires clients...some just don't have work...three teachers at my school no longer have hours...

    We do seem quite blase though in other ways...there is a kind of we are England and what is happening in Italy and Spain wont happen here kind of arrogance...i suspect in two weeks time that opinion might change...

    Positives I guess are that Aston Villa probably won't get relegated...Liverpool won't win the league and get to behave like victims again ;) ...and there is actually space on the trains in the morning...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    As someone who lives in London the behaviour here has been absolutely shameful...

    People were told to deal with this crisis together...to actually show a bit of civic duty...and they have shown themselves to be nothing other than selfish...

    Empty supermarkets where people have been hoarding stuff...bizarrely with an obsession with toilet paper...my mum actually on her weekly shop managed to catch the final bit of toilet paper only to have a woman try and snatch it from her trolley and grapple her...the descent to behaving like animals...

    I remember during the riots too...it just brought the worst out of people...you have the selfish hoarders in this case...and then you have those who are buying things up to turn a profit...twelve hand sanitisers worth a pound each went for 900 on Ebay...one does hope that if the virus is going to strike someone it strikes the opportunists who try and profit from misery first...

    In terms of work...my own job here is ok for now but it's not the case for everyone...with some working from home...and in a job like mine which requires clients...some just don't have work...three teachers at my school no longer have hours...

    We do seem quite blase though in other ways...there is a kind of we are England and what is happening in Italy and Spain wont happen here kind of arrogance...i suspect in two weeks time that opinion might change...

    Positives I guess are that Aston Villa probably won't get relegated...Liverpool won't win the league and get to behave like victims again ;) ...and there is actually space on the trains in the morning...
    Sad state of affairs really. The ignorance is the worst thing. Just a week ago we were thinking this is happening in Italy and Austria and we will be save, but look what happend; Now we have over 1000 cases in Norway, a country having population of leas than 6 million. Even London have more people than our entire nation. And we are on no. 2 in the World affected by Corona if you look at the population, just behind Italy.

    But even then the authorities have adviced us not to start hoarding food etc as the supply is very good but we humans can be very selfish at times, all the malls are robbed, and the losers are the weak ones in the society who have no chance to go out and stand hours in lines and fight over toilet papers.

    The schools are closed, no one can leave or enter the country. Very very strange and dangerous situation.


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    At Tesco's today for our monthly shop, and I just thought the obsession with toilet paper was just sensationalism, but no, the shelves were cleaned out! I don't get it? How is toiler paper going to prevent someone from the virus?

    Anyway we stocked up extra on the usual; Pot Noodle! 😆

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    Forgot to mention, we've been asked to work from home. From my perspective this is the right thing to do in the current climate. The Tube is designed for this virus!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAJ View Post
    Sad state of affairs really. The ignorance is the worst thing. Just a week ago we were thinking this is happening in Italy and Austria and we will be save, but look what happend; Now we have over 1000 cases in Norway, a country having population of leas than 6 million. Even London have more people than our entire nation. And we are on no. 2 in the World affected by Corona if you look at the population, just behind Italy.

    But even then the authorities have adviced us not to start hoarding food etc as the supply is very good but we humans can be very selfish at times, all the malls are robbed, and the losers are the weak ones in the society who have no chance to go out and stand hours in lines and fight over toilet papers.

    The schools are closed, no one can leave or enter the country. Very very strange and dangerous situation.
    Many of us in Europe suffer from a false sense of security and arrogance. When thighs were unfolding many must have thought "these things can't happen here. China is far away. Chinese despite their economic and military supremacy still lag behind us".

    Then the virus popped up in Italy and I bet even then many top European countries weren't alarmed. Many probably saw Italy as a "third world country" for European standard. Italy was their favorite holiday destination though. Now the virus has come home. Pretty soon will those still ignorant will find out the gravity of the situation.

    China was able to mobilize additional 40k doctors on a short notice and build hospital in a week. I doubt if many can do it. Having top health care facility is one thing but having a large enough capacity for the current crisis is another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAJ View Post
    Sad state of affairs really. The ignorance is the worst thing. Just a week ago we were thinking this is happening in Italy and Austria and we will be save, but look what happend; Now we have over 1000 cases in Norway, a country having population of leas than 6 million. Even London have more people than our entire nation. And we are on no. 2 in the World affected by Corona if you look at the population, just behind Italy.

    But even then the authorities have adviced us not to start hoarding food etc as the supply is very good but we humans can be very selfish at times, all the malls are robbed, and the losers are the weak ones in the society who have no chance to go out and stand hours in lines and fight over toilet papers.

    The schools are closed, no one can leave or enter the country. Very very strange and dangerous situation.
    Yeah this is certainly unprecedented...the consequences are going to be wide reaching...my best friend has started his first day of quarantine in Spain...businesses are going to straight collapse...restaurants, bars...he like me is a teacher and the likelihood is his school may go bust if they are under quarantine for too long...

    The thing about malls is disgusting frankly...the woman who grappled my mother was younger than me...someone who likely will be fine even if they catch the virus...

    I'm kinda intrigued though...it's all quite surreal...people I know here think it isn't going to touch us in the same way but I'm fully expecting us to emulate Italy and France in the next couple weeks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Forgot to mention, we've been asked to work from home. From my perspective this is the right thing to do in the current climate. The Tube is designed for this virus!
    I've appreciated the extra seating there's been lately...I've actually been able to sit down in the mornings...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    At Tesco's today for our monthly shop, and I just thought the obsession with toilet paper was just sensationalism, but no, the shelves were cleaned out! I don't get it? How is toiler paper going to prevent someone from the virus?

    Anyway we stocked up extra on the usual; Pot Noodle! ��
    No one thinks that toilet paper will prevent the virus, the news reported that if China shuts down its manufacturing due to the virus we could see a shortage of everyday items like toilet paper.

    Many people who heard this news decided to stock up just in case, it was not panic buying or hoarding but just people stocking up in case supply becomes scarce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    No one thinks that toilet paper will prevent the virus, the news reported that if China shuts down its manufacturing due to the virus we could see a shortage of everyday items like toilet paper.

    Many people who heard this news decided to stock up just in case, it was not panic buying or hoarding but just people stocking up in case supply becomes scarce.
    Really? Andrex Toilet paper, leading brand in the UK, is manufactured in the UK, and part EU. Just how much toilet paper is manufactured in China?

    Even if true, toilet paper is not an everyday item, there's water. Everyday items would include food, but if with respect to manufacturing in China, electronic are more of an everyday item.
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    Johnson's strategy seems interesting...

    Something he would have never done pre-election cos he would have had to pander to the elderly voting block...this herd immunity thing is pretty much choosing the economy over the elderly...which also equates to choosing the young over the poor...

    So if i've got it correct...which I might not have...the idea is for 60% of the population ie 40m people to catch the virus and consequently build immunity to it...if 1% of that number die that will be 400,000 mainly elderly people...

    No nice decisions here...my best friend in Spain is currently in quarantine and has no idea how long the situation will remain that way...I used to teach with him in Seville...its a city whose economy is built on tourism, restaurants and bars...all of which are currently not functioning...a city with a 40% young unemployment rate...one can only wonder what the aftermath of a long quarantine will have on those businesses...my friend's school might also go bust...if this is going to peak in June then 14 weeks of no earnings is an absolute disaster...and that too with no guarantee that the virus wont simply return...

    So yeah they won't for the moment close down public gatherings etc...cos I guess they want us to get the virus...was speaking to my friend in Spain tonight and its a tough one really...economic collapse can lead to more death long term...while what we seem to be trying in the UK is essentially survival of the fittest...

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    Hundreds of scientists have accused the government of "risking many more lives than necessary" over its plan to tackle the coronavirus outbreak.

    Thousands of deaths could potentially be avoided if social distancing measures were put in place immediately, they add in an open letter.

    Such action could slow the spread of COVID-19 "dramatically", the scientists say.

    A view of an empty street on the second day of an unprecedented lockdown across all of the country, imposed to slow the outbreak of coronavirus, in Milan, Italy March 11, 2020. REUTERS/Flavio Lo Scalzo

    This is what happens during lockdown
    They also warn that under "unconstrained growth", the virus could affect "millions of people in the next few weeks".

    That would "most probably" put the NHS at "serious risk of not being able to cope with the flow of patients needing intensive care", it is claimed.

    The signatories say they are "deeply preoccupied" with the timeline of the proposed plan, announced on Thursday, which "aims at delaying social distancing measures even further".

    Ten more people have died in the UK after being diagnosed with coronavirus, with 1,140 cases now confirmed.

    More from Covid-19
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    Spain is going into lockdown, and the UK and Ireland are to be added to America's European travel ban at midnight on Monday, eastern standard time (0400 GMT).

    In other developments:

    Ten more patients have died in England after testing positive for COVID-19, bringing the total UK deaths to 21
    The PM will be told by Virgin Atlantic bosses that the airline industry needs government aid worth up to £7.5bn, Sky News learns
    Hundreds of people, including scientists, have written to the government urging immediate "more restrictive measures" be brought in to enforce social distancing
    Donald Trump confirms European travel ban is to be extended to the UK and Ireland on Monday, as he tests negative for coronavirus after meeting an infected Brazilian official
    Jet2 planes heading to Spain turned back in mid-air as the airline announced it was cancelling all flights to the country
    Travel company TUI cancelled holidays booked in Spain this weekend
    Private hospital beds may be taken over for coronavirus patients
    British food retailers are urging customers to shop responsibly
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    What is herd immunity?
    The 245 scientists living and working in the UK write: "We consider the social distancing measures taken as of today as insufficient, and we believe that additional and more restrictive measures should be taken immediately, as is already happening in other countries across the world."

    They observe that the growth of infections in the UK is "in line with the growth curves already observed in other countries, including Italy, Spain, France, and Germany".

    They continue: "The same data suggests that the number of infected will be in the order of dozens of thousands within a few days.

    "Going for 'herd immunity' at this point does not seem a viable option, as this will put the NHS at an even stronger level of stress, risking many more lives than necessary."

    Herd immunity is when a large proportion of the population has become immune to something, thereby providing some protection to others who are not immune.

    Residents in Naples, Italy, banded together amid the country’s COVID-19 lockdown as they sang from their balconies

    A Department of Health and Social care spokesman responded, saying: "Herd immunity is not part of our action plan, but is a natural by-product of an epidemic.

    "Our aims are to save lives, protect the most vulnerable, and relieve pressure on our NHS.

    "We have now moved out of the contain phase and into delay, and we have experts working round the clock. Every measure that we have or will introduce will be based on the best scientific evidence.

    "Our awareness of the likely levels of immunity in the country over the coming months will ensure our planning and response is as accurate and effective as possible."

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-plan-11957715


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    So had a look at who's died so far...if it continues like this then Johnson is gonna lose his electoral base...

    Worth noting that every death so far has spoken about the victims having underlying health conditions...

    21 deaths so far...but I could only find details on 19 of them...

    3 in their 60s...
    5 in their 70s...
    8 in their 80s...
    1 in their 90s...
    2 I don't know...
    2 were described as elderly...

    Where gender has been specified...
    12 were men....3 were women...

    So it's evident who this virus is most dangerous for...which is why I believe the suggestion is for the elderly in general to self isolate and essentially quarantine themselves whilst the rest of us catch the virus...and build this 'herd immunity'...can't say I know of the merits of this approach...but on a personal note not particularly worried about catching the virus...

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    Action to isolate the UK's over-70s for an extended period to shield them from coronavirus is planned in the coming weeks, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has confirmed.

    He told Sky News the measure "is a very big ask of the elderly and vulnerable, and it's for their own protection".

    The government has faced pressure to do more to tackle the epidemic after the UK death toll rose to 21 on Saturday.

    All deaths so far have been of people over 60 or with underlying conditions.

    The self-isolation measure would mean people being asked to remain at home without visitors and with groceries and vital medication dropped off for them on their doorsteps.

    Speaking to Sky News's Sophy Ridge, Mr Hancock was asked whether the advice would be in place for four months as had been reported.

    He said: "We'll be setting it out with more detail when it is the right time to do so."

    But he added the reason the measure had not been implemented yet was that the length of isolation required was "very long".

    It comes as the government's strategy has been criticised by some scientists, who have written to ministers urging them to introduce tougher measures to tackle the spread of Covid-19.

    Shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth said the public did not want ambiguity from the government.

    "People just want clear advice. The prime minister should be out there daily speaking to the nation and explaining why things are changing," he said.

    The total number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the UK has reached 1,140, while 37,746 people have been tested.

    Only patients in hospital are currently being tested for the virus.

    Prime Minister Boris Johnson is to urge British companies to join a "national effort" to produce more ventilators and other medical equipment "at speed" to help the NHS deal with the coronavirus outbreak.

    He will hold a conference call with industry leaders later, Mr Hancock said.

    Work is also under way to buy up thousands of private hospital beds to boost NHS capacity should it be needed.

    An emergency bill giving the government temporary powers to tackle the outbreak will be published next week.

    Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has asked for "urgent sight" of the draft laws and for a meeting with the prime minister to discuss the crisis.

    His party has already called on the government to publish the scientific modelling and data that it is using to inform its approach.

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    Stay safe everyone

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Johnson's strategy seems interesting...

    Something he would have never done pre-election cos he would have had to pander to the elderly voting block...this herd immunity thing is pretty much choosing the economy over the elderly...which also equates to choosing the young over the poor...

    So if i've got it correct...which I might not have...the idea is for 60% of the population ie 40m people to catch the virus and consequently build immunity to it...if 1% of that number die that will be 400,000 mainly elderly people.
    In the absence of a vaccine though, natural herd immunity is an eventual by-product of an epidemic so not sure why some get the impression it's the govt's central policy goal rather than a scientific outcome. But the thing is we simply don't know enough about COVID-19 and whether long-term immunity is achieved after infection, or whether the virus will quickly adapt to our antibody response.

    What does give me hope is that the official "fatality rate" isn't really a fatality rate. The fatality rate reported in the news is the number of deaths from the number of positively tested cases. But how many people have contracted the virus but haven't been tested because either they're asymptomatic or have suffered only a mild illness ?

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    The number of people who have died after testing positive for coronavirus in the UK has risen to 35 following the largest increase in a 24-hour period.

    The Department of Health announced on Sunday that 14 more patients have died - all in England - after being diagnosed with COVID-19.

    They were aged between 59 and 94 and had underlying health conditions, according to NHS England.

    The youngest victim was named as Nick Matthews who was being treated at Bristol Royal Infirmary after testing positive for coronavirus.

    His wife Mary Matthews wrote on Facebook that she had lost her "life partner and soul mate but most of all my best friend" and confirmed her family is in isolation.

    She added that her family were "beyond proud to have had such a big character in our lives".

    There are now 1,372 confirmed coronavirus cases in the UK after a rise of 232 over the last 24 hours.

    The number of people tested for the virus has risen to 40,279, with 38,907 proving to be negative.

    Of the 35 UK deaths, 34 have been in England and one in Scotland.

    In Scotland, the number of people testing positive for COVID-19 has risen to 153 - a rise of 32 since Saturday.

    In Wales, health authorities confirmed 34 new cases on Sunday, bringing the country's total to 94.

    Eleven new cases have also been recorded in Northern Ireland, bringing the total number of known cases there to 45.

    It comes after Health Secretary Matt Hancock told Sky News that over-70s would be asked to self-isolate "in the coming weeks" in the fight against the outbreak.

    Mr Hancock also told the Sophy Ridge on Sunday programme that the UK was likely to need "many more times" the current 5,000 ventilators, amid concerns hospitals will come under intense pressure.

    He said the growing virus outbreak meant "the elderly and vulnerable" would be asked to "shield themselves by self-isolating".

    The health secretary said a bill setting out emergency powers to deal with the outbreak will be published on Thursday, and details of what the powers will include will be shared on Tuesday.

    Mr Hancock said ministers are yet to make a decision on whether to ban gatherings of more than 500 people in the rest of the UK, after Scotland said it would bring in restrictions from Monday.

    The government is in talks with private hospitals about the possibility of taking over beds, in a further sign of the pressures that will face the health service at the peak of the coronavirus outbreak.

    In other developments:

    The UK Foreign Office updated its travel advice, warning against all but essential travel to the US and Spain
    Hundreds of scientists sign a letter claiming the government's plan to tackle coronavirus is risking lives
    Prime Minister Boris Johnson urged companies to step up production of ventilators
    Prisoners could be released early if the virus spreads to jails
    British food retailers urge customers to shop responsibly amid panic buying

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...a-day-11957935


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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    In the absence of a vaccine though, natural herd immunity is an eventual by-product of an epidemic so not sure why some get the impression it's the govt's central policy goal rather than a scientific outcome. But the thing is we simply don't know enough about COVID-19 and whether long-term immunity is achieved after infection, or whether the virus will quickly adapt to our antibody response.

    What does give me hope is that the official "fatality rate" isn't really a fatality rate. The fatality rate reported in the news is the number of deaths from the number of positively tested cases. But how many people have contracted the virus but haven't been tested because either they're asymptomatic or have suffered only a mild illness ?
    This is what I hope too...that we actually have a lot more cases than have been reported...

    Sweden and Finland have the exact same strategy but of course cos it isn't Boris Johnson they won't get stick...

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    I have seen quite a few things which show anger towards the approach we have in Britain...I know someone well for instance who feels we are sacrificing old people for money...

    The question is then...why are you still going to work?...if you prefer what Spain are doing or China...then go an quarantine yourself on your own volition...no one is forcing you to leave your house...

    But standard typical self righteous nonsense...you will choose to go to work...while moaning at the government for allowing you to go to work...bemoan the irresponsibility of allowing public gatherings and then meet your friends for drinks...it's laughable really...

    The Spaniards don't have a choice...Brits do...yet they will only isolate if forced to...which essentially shows how much opposition they have to the plan in place...

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    I heard from the media that they are not even screening people properly at the UK airports.

    Yesterday in kerala airport a UK national with corona virus boarded a flight and authorities had off boarded all 270 passengers in the flight ! You need this kind of vigilance in the UK as well to stop this.

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    Feel like uk leaders are not instilling confidence in its citizens with some startling statements like you will lose your loved ones and 100k might die from infection. although this might be true they should not create panic and anxiety at this hour!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    This is what I hope too...that we actually have a lot more cases than have been reported...

    Sweden and Finland have the exact same strategy but of course cos it isn't Boris Johnson they won't get stick...
    All the Swedes I know are absolutely petrified, positively aghast at the lack of interest from the state in the value of a human life. All these countries have surrendered before the war has begun.

    Anyone taking this strategy seriously is an imbecile, please try and learn from what has happened in China and Korea. Not advocating aggressive containment is a practical call to cull your population.

    Most research so far suggests that the quality of life post-infection will be severely compromised especially in terms of lung function, there is no immunity. Virologists around the world are dumbfounded at the road the UK is taking.

    This beast is manageable but only through enormous commitment from the public to fight it. From what I have seen, the so-called liberal democracies in the west are absolutely floundering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianHero View Post



    I heard from the media that they are not even screening people properly at the UK airports.

    Yesterday in kerala airport a UK national with corona virus boarded a flight and authorities had off boarded all 270 passengers in the flight ! You need this kind of vigilance in the UK as well to stop this.
    we have been ordered to work from home. But there is no real mass testing going on. The govt has simply surrendered to the fact that 80% of the populace will get it. They are not collecting any data about teh most affected areas and populations. They keep talking about this theory of herd immunity but at the same time there is valid information claiming that at least 355,000 casualties could be expected before herd immunity is developed.

    We are also about 18 months away from a vaccine but i think we will get one in asia alot quicker. The UK is the only country in the world following this herd immunity no lockdown let everyone get it methodology..

    Many many scientists have criticised it and claim the govt is happy to let people die to save the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    All the Swedes I know are absolutely petrified, positively aghast at the lack of interest from the state in the value of a human life. All these countries have surrendered before the war has begun.

    Anyone taking this strategy seriously is an imbecile, please try and learn from what has happened in China and Korea. Not advocating aggressive containment is a practical call to cull your population.

    Most research so far suggests that the quality of life post-infection will be severely compromised especially in terms of lung function, there is no immunity. Virologists around the world are dumbfounded at the road the UK is taking.

    This beast is manageable but only through enormous commitment from the public to fight it. From what I have seen, the so-called liberal democracies in the west are absolutely floundering.
    floundering is an understatement. its as if they want this to happen..

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    The coronavirus epidemic could see up to 7.9 million people requiring hospital treatment in the next 12 months, according to a Public Health England briefing seen by Sky News.

    The document also confirms that healthcare workers who have symptoms of COVID-19 would not necessarily all be tested.

    "Laboratory capacity is growing steadily but remains under significant demand pressures," it said.

    Dr Susan Hopkins, deputy director of PHE's national infection service, said: "PHE used reasonable worse-case scenario figures, to restate the importance for people with symptoms to stay at home, including health care workers in order to reduce the spread of the virus."

    Chief medical officer Chris Witty has previously said up to 80% of the population could catch the virus in a worst-case scenario.

    The PHE briefing adds that "up to 15% [7.9 million people] may require hospitalisation".

    While the figures are not completely unexpected they bring into stark focus the challenge the NHS will face in the coming months.

    On Sunday, the Health Secretary Matt Hancock called on businesses to step up production of vital medical equipment including ventilators.

    Writing on Twitter, Conservative Andrew Bowie said MPs had had been "inundated with offers" and advised businesses to contact a government helpline.

    In a conference call with British manufacturers on Monday morning, Boris Johnson will set out what they can do to help in the fight against coronavirus.

    He will also confirm that the government will purchase any ventilators that are produced by companies in the coming weeks.

    However, intensive care doctors say that any new equipment will need to be appropriate for those using it and signed off by the healthcare regulator.

    Former dean of The Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine Dr Carl Waldmann said if extra ventilators are brought in, then there will need to be "extra staff, extra training and extra gear for protection".

    Another doctor, who did not want to be named, said the current intensive care system was "adequate for day-to-day but not really equipped for the expected epidemic".

    Opposition parties will also meet with the government on Monday to be briefed about the ongoing outbreak.

    Responding to the leaked PHE briefing on Sunday night, Labour's shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth said the government needed to "produce a fully costed, comprehensive options plan now".

    Liberal Democrat acting leader Ed Davey said: "Whilst we have full confidence in the Chief Medical Officer and his team, Boris Johnson is failing to explain convincingly his strategic approach to dealing with coronavirus."

    A Downing Street spokesperson said: "Preparing for the spread of the coronavirus outbreak is a national priority and we're calling on the manufacturing industry and all those with relevant expertise who might be able to help to come together to help the country tackle this national crisis."

    In other developments:

    Globally more than 169,000 are infected and over 6,500 have died
    US President Donald Trump tests negative for the coronavirus
    Guatemala logs its first fatality from COVID-19
    Italy records 368 more deaths from the coronavirus outbreak on Sunday, its biggest one day rise
    France is preparing an order that would put the country under partial lockdown to combat the epidemic
    Britain will isolate older people "within weeks" and force into quarantine anyone diagnosed with coronavirus
    Jordan confirms 12 new cases of the coronavirus
    More major retailers shut stores in the US including Nike, Under Armour, and Lululemon Athletica

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    The number of UK coronavirus cases has risen to 1,543 - up 171 in 24 hours.

    The latest figure for deaths stands at 35 - though an update is expected this afternoon.

    Prime Minister Boris Johnson is chairing an emergency meeting of COBRA before holding the first of what will be daily TV news conferences to update the public on COVID-19 - the prevalent strain of coronavirus.

    The UK is thought to be moving towards the banning of mass gatherings and asking the elderly to self-isolate.

    A Public Health England briefing seen by Sky News claims the coronavirus could see up to 7.9 million people requiring hospital treatment in the next 12 months.

    The document also confirms that healthcare workers who have symptoms of COVID-19 would not necessarily be tested.

    Chief medical officer Chris Witty has previously said up to 80% of the population could catch the virus in a worst-case scenario.

    On Sunday, the Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the elderly could be asked to self-isolate for up to four months.

    Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said on Monday that people over the age of 70 will be asked to self-isolate "as and when the moment is right" - but that they would still be able to go outside and "walk the dog".

    He said: "We will ask people to do that as and when the moment is right."

    Transport secretary Grant Shapps said the UK was following scientific advice in handling the COVID-19 response

    Shapps: Our approach is science-led, not popularist
    Those who refuse to self-isolate or fail to comply with restrictions could face a fine of up to £1,000.

    Mr Hancock also called on businesses to step up production of vital medical equipment including ventilators.

    Mr Johnson will confirm today if the government will purchase any ventilators that are produced by companies in the coming weeks.

    However, intensive care doctors say that any new equipment will need to be appropriate for those using it and signed off by the healthcare regulator.

    The prime minister will look at using hotels as emergency hospitals as the NHS struggles to cope with increased demand.

    Ventilators are used to keep people with coronavirus alive if they have lung complications after contracting the virus.

    Mr Hancock said there had been an enthusiastic response to the prime minister's call for ventilator production.

    "We've got high quality engineering in this country and we want anybody who has the manufacturing capability to turn to a manufacturer of ventilators to do that," he said.

    British engineering company Rolls Royce, which makes jet engines for the biggest Boeing and Airbus planes, said it was prepared to help the government tackle the coronavirus crisis in any way it could.

    "We understand that the government is exploring ways in which businesses can help deal with the outbreak of COVID-19," a spokesman said.

    "We are keen to do whatever we can to help the government and the country at this time and will look to provide any practical help we can."

    JCB, the construction equipment manufacturer, also said it could help by utilising its equipment for different uses.

    Education Secretary Gavin Williamson is due to meet school leaders to discuss the implications of closing schools and postponing exams.

    Globally more than 169,000 are infected and over 6,500 have died
    Virgin Atlantic asks staff to take eight weeks of unpaid leave as it parks up 85% of planes
    EasyJet to ground majority of its fleet on a rolling basis
    IAG, British Airway's parent company, will cut flights by at least 75% in April and May
    British granddad died 'after contracting virus from skier in restaurant'
    Italy records 368 more deaths from the coronavirus outbreak on Sunday, its biggest one day rise
    France is preparing to put the country under partial lockdown to combat the pandemic
    FTSE 100 fell by 8.7% on opening, settling to 7.2% with a loss of about £95bn on Monday

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...y-171-11958319


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    I have seen quite a few things which show anger towards the approach we have in Britain...I know someone well for instance who feels we are sacrificing old people for money...

    The question is then...why are you still going to work?...if you prefer what Spain are doing or China...then go an quarantine yourself on your own volition...no one is forcing you to leave your house...

    But standard typical self righteous nonsense...you will choose to go to work...while moaning at the government for allowing you to go to work...bemoan the irresponsibility of allowing public gatherings and then meet your friends for drinks...it's laughable really...

    The Spaniards don't have a choice...Brits do...yet they will only isolate if forced to...which essentially shows how much opposition they have to the plan in place...
    A lot of companies are instructing their employees to continue turning up for work unless they are showing actual symptoms of the virus. Employees are under pressure to keep going until there is a clear directive from the govt that the general population has to self isolate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianHero View Post



    I heard from the media that they are not even screening people properly at the UK airports.

    Yesterday in kerala airport a UK national with corona virus boarded a flight and authorities had off boarded all 270 passengers in the flight ! You need this kind of vigilance in the UK as well to stop this.
    That doesn't even make sense.
    Nearly all of Europe have put in restrictive measures except the UK but that doesn't mean they're not doing better than India.

    The UK have tested 40k people. how many have India tested?

    The scientists have said that screening isn't that beneficial and that they will put in the measures at the RIGHT time.

    Just because India's done it before us, it doesn't mean you've done it better


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronaldo7 View Post
    That doesn't even make sense.

    The UK have tested 40k people. how many have India tested?

    The scientists have said that screening isn't that beneficial and that they will put in the measures at the RIGHT time.

    Just because India's done it before us, it doesn't mean you've done it better
    As you said scientists believe screening doesn't help much so indian govt. only screens foreign arrivals ( suspected cases) & their relatives or ppl who traveled with them

    Secondly I didn't get ur logic of how UK is doing better than India at this moment

    As per info available till now there are 1543 total cases ( in UK ) with 36 deaths & with 20 recovered

    India's tally at this moment is 129 cases with 2 deaths & with 14 recovered

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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    Boris Johnson has told Britons to avoid pubs, clubs, restaurants and theatres and to only make essential journeys in the "national fightback" against coronavirus.

    The prime minister told a Downing Street news conference the number of coronavirus cases in the UK could double every five or six days without "drastic action".

    Anyone with a high temperature or a persistent cough, or anyone in the same household with them, is now being told to stay at home for 14 days.

    Mr Johnson said the measures were "worth it" to enable the NHS to cope with COVID-19.

    He told Londoners to pay particular attention to government advice, as the spread of the virus in the capital was "a few weeks ahead" of other parts of the country.

    The government is now going to be holding daily televised news conferences concerning the coronavirus pandemic - and today was the first one.

    The briefings - given by the prime minister or another "senior" minister - follow criticism over an apparent lack of transparency about the government's efforts to protect the public from COVID-19.

    As of 9am on Monday, the number of coronavirus cases in the UK has risen to 1,543 - an increase of 171 in 24 hours.

    Figures released on Sunday show 35 people in the UK diagnosed with COVID-19 have died.

    Earlier on Monday, as his government battles to deal with the impact of the coronavirus pandemic, the prime minister held talks with Chancellor Rishi Sunak and new Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey.

    The New Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey speaks about coronavirus.

    Mr Johnson was also expected to take part in a phone call with G7 leaders to discuss the international response to COVID-19, as well as speak to British manufacturers about ramping up the production of vital medical equipment.

    Health Secretary Matt Hancock has admitted the UK is likely to need "many more times" the 5,000 ventilators that the NHS currently has.

    The government is also continuing its dialogue with supermarkets about ensuring the continuation of supplies, while also talking to education chiefs about the possibility of school closures.

    In fresh guidance, ministers have said children who develop a continuous cough or fever at school should be sent home with suspected coronavirus.

    Transport Secretary Grant Shapps will meet industry bosses this week.

    When asked by Sky News if the government was minded to bail out airlines - which are struggling amid worldwide travel bans - he was non-committal but said "discussions with the sector are ongoing".

    It has been reported that MPs may not hold formal votes on budget-related legislation and emergency laws aimed at tackling the coronavirus crisis, with the legislation instead passed unopposed by opposition parties.

    A government bill on emergency powers to deal with the coronavirus outbreak is to be set out on Tuesday and published on Thursday.

    It could include giving police powers to arrest and forcibly quarantine people who are sick with the virus but are not self-isolating.

    Labour's shadow housing secretary John Healey will publish separate draft legislation - which he is urging the government to adopt immediately - aimed at banning evictions for people who fall behind on their rent due to coronavirus.


    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...atres-11958549


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    Johnson looks like he’s aged 20 years

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    2 positive.

    1.Polution is down.
    2.Great buying opportunities on the financial markets.

    There is always a silver lining!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianHero View Post
    As you said scientists believe screening doesn't help much so indian govt. only screens foreign arrivals ( suspected cases) & their relatives or ppl who traveled with them

    Secondly I didn't get ur logic of how UK is doing better than India at this moment

    As per info available till now there are 1543 total cases ( in UK ) with 36 deaths & with 20 recovered

    India's tally at this moment is 129 cases with 2 deaths & with 14 recovered

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    Mate just stop bragging about counts in infectious diseases. Have some humanity ***

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBK_Fan View Post
    Mate just stop bragging about counts in infectious diseases. Have some humanity ***

    I do actually. I was only trying to clarify my doubt with above poster on his statement.

    I genuinely pray that this epidemic ends quickly all over the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianHero View Post
    As you said scientists believe screening doesn't help much so indian govt. only screens foreign arrivals ( suspected cases) & their relatives or ppl who traveled with them

    Secondly I didn't get ur logic of how UK is doing better than India at this moment

    As per info available till now there are 1543 total cases ( in UK ) with 36 deaths & with 20 recovered

    India's tally at this moment is 129 cases with 2 deaths & with 14 recovered

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    What part of ďweíve tested 50kĒ did you not understand?

    Youíve barely tested a few thousand

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianHero View Post
    As you said scientists believe screening doesn't help much so indian govt. only screens foreign arrivals ( suspected cases) & their relatives or ppl who traveled with them

    Secondly I didn't get ur logic of how UK is doing better than India at this moment

    As per info available till now there are 1543 total cases ( in UK ) with 36 deaths & with 20 recovered

    India's tally at this moment is 129 cases with 2 deaths & with 14 recovered

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    You are one of those Desis that live in the west and ridicule west.
    Atleast have some concern for the place you live in.
    Your death count bragging was awful to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianHero View Post
    As you said scientists believe screening doesn't help much so indian govt. only screens foreign arrivals ( suspected cases) & their relatives or ppl who traveled with them

    Secondly I didn't get ur logic of how UK is doing better than India at this moment

    As per info available till now there are 1543 total cases ( in UK ) with 36 deaths & with 20 recovered

    India's tally at this moment is 129 cases with 2 deaths & with 14 recovered

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    Will you stop posting these figures . Donít even understand your point of view. Every country is at different stage of epidemic so donít compare 2 countries like that.
    At this point we donít know where each stands on the curve. For now itís safe to say only China has reached its peak and passed it.
    there are health care workers at the forefront of every nation and let them do their job.

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    Well my life got turned upside down quite quickly...

    Following events at the weekend...the majority of students at my academy have flown home...and many today cancelled their courses also...my Turkish students for instance were advised to go to their consulate...students are worried about their borders being closed...sadly one Ukrainian student can't actually go back to Ukraine currently...crazy that its blocked even for its own citizens...

    Consequently the school is going to be shut down...with the likelihood that none of us teachers will have any work next week...just last week I had full classes...

    We've been told that hopefully we will reopen in June...which now leaves us all needing work...

    I'm relatively lucky in that I can live with family...my mother is also quite young...

    One of my colleagues is living with her parents who are in their late 70s...and was intending to move out so as to keep them safe...but now is unable to pay rent...

    Fully expected our numbers to dwindle but how rapid the change has been has caught us all by surprise...

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    The rent freeze btw isn't that helpful as it only applies to those who have corona...yet many who dont have it are gonna feel the financial ramifications of this crisis...expecting a large young homeless population when this is all done...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Well my life got turned upside down quite quickly...

    Following events at the weekend...the majority of students at my academy have flown home...and many today cancelled their courses also...my Turkish students for instance were advised to go to their consulate...students are worried about their borders being closed...sadly one Ukrainian student can't actually go back to Ukraine currently...crazy that its blocked even for its own citizens...

    Consequently the school is going to be shut down...with the likelihood that none of us teachers will have any work next week...just last week I had full classes...


    We've been told that hopefully we will reopen in June...which now leaves us all needing work...

    I'm relatively lucky in that I can live with family...my mother is also quite young...

    One of my colleagues is living with her parents who are in their late 70s...and was intending to move out so as to keep them safe...but now is unable to pay rent...

    Fully expected our numbers to dwindle but how rapid the change has been has caught us all by surprise...
    Is the government going to cover your loss of wages?


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    This government is embarrasing. Poorer nations have done a much better job, while here we have Boris the clown with his numpties talking nonsense on a daily basis.

    The truth is the Tory government has been making cuts for years. UK used to have one of the best health care services in the world , now one of the worst.

    Being such a rich country we dont have enought testing kids, hospital beds or even medical staff.

    Yet we pay so much in tax.

    Might be a good idea to take your assets and leave for somewhere much better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Is the government going to cover your loss of wages?
    I work for a private academy...so it's not the governments responsibility...

    We've been told to basically do what we can until the school reopens which they hope is June based on what the government has said will be the down period for the virus...

    We get our salaries at the end of next week with the week in arrears...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Well my life got turned upside down quite quickly...

    Following events at the weekend...the majority of students at my academy have flown home...and many today cancelled their courses also...my Turkish students for instance were advised to go to their consulate...students are worried about their borders being closed...sadly one Ukrainian student can't actually go back to Ukraine currently...crazy that its blocked even for its own citizens...

    Consequently the school is going to be shut down...with the likelihood that none of us teachers will have any work next week...just last week I had full classes...

    We've been told that hopefully we will reopen in June...which now leaves us all needing work...

    I'm relatively lucky in that I can live with family...my mother is also quite young...

    One of my colleagues is living with her parents who are in their late 70s...and was intending to move out so as to keep them safe...but now is unable to pay rent...

    Fully expected our numbers to dwindle but how rapid the change has been has caught us all by surprise...
    I know one person whose entire business is collapsing around her.
    These are incredibly testing times.

    Stay safe

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    I work for a private academy...so it's not the governments responsibility...

    We've been told to basically do what we can until the school reopens which they hope is June based on what the government has said will be the down period for the virus...

    We get our salaries at the end of next week with the week in arrears...
    June will be peak, the government is lying throught its teeth.

    I would look to other earings, perhaps working from home, tution etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    This government is embarrasing. Poorer nations have done a much better job, while here we have Boris the clown with his numpties talking nonsense on a daily basis.

    The truth is the Tory government has been making cuts for years. UK used to have one of the best health care services in the world , now one of the worst.

    Being such a rich country we dont have enought testing kids, hospital beds or even medical staff.

    Yet we pay so much in tax.

    Might be a good idea to take your assets and leave for somewhere much better.
    Too early to judge imo...

    Whitty isn't some stooge...he's got a very good reputation...

    Johnson is basically going to take credit for agreeing with Whitty if the plan works...and Whitty will be the fall guy if the strategy fails...

    The likes of Trump aren't listening to scientists at all...

    There is a strategy in place...herd immunity is also the same plan that the Swedes and Finns are applying...and while it's being criticised there does appear to actually be some logic to it...

    My best mate is in quarantine in Spain...and the thought process there is ok...once the rate goes down...we come out of quarantine and then what?...the virus simply spreads again...

    And our taxes aren't that high tbf..we have among the lowest personal tax rates of 'advanced' countries...if you earn 25k or 40k in Britain you really aren't paying much tax compared to the rest of Europe...we pay 18.9% on 25k for example...the French pay 31.8%, Germans 24.3%...

    As for the NHS you're absolutely right about lack of beds, doctors and nurses...but it's mismanagement rather than a lack of spending...and while the Tory's have dealt with this pretty badly...it's generally been pretty poor in general for a while now irregardless of who is in power...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    June will be peak, the government is lying throught its teeth.

    I would look to other earings, perhaps working from home, tution etc.
    Government has stated that June is peak...and then it will go down...summer is also when the virus will be at it's least effective...

    They have stated they expect it to weaken mid June and be weak until November where they expect it to spike again...

    Whitty has done most of the talking on this matter...not the Tory's...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    I know one person whose entire business is collapsing around her.
    These are incredibly testing times.

    Stay safe
    Yep the aftermath is going to be awful...those I know in Seville where I used to live are awaiting a complete collapse...already 40% young unemployment with ann economy built around bars, restaurants and tourism which is all currently shut down...

    My boss owns our building outright...my friends school is rented so he's sure that his company is going to go bust...as will most businesses in Seville...

    Although the approach we have in Britain isn't going to save everyone...myself being an example...and my industry...there does seem to be a desire to keep economic activity going so hopefully the aftermath won't be as grim as other places...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    June will be peak, the government is lying throught its teeth.

    I would look to other earings, perhaps working from home, tution etc.
    Yeh I'm currently looking into online teaching...looking at companies and some self marketing to get some one to ones at a discount rate cos my potential students will be struggling to pay too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Too early to judge imo...

    Whitty isn't some stooge...he's got a very good reputation...

    Johnson is basically going to take credit for agreeing with Whitty if the plan works...and Whitty will be the fall guy if the strategy fails...

    The likes of Trump aren't listening to scientists at all...

    There is a strategy in place...herd immunity is also the same plan that the Swedes and Finns are applying...and while it's being criticised there does appear to actually be some logic to it...

    My best mate is in quarantine in Spain...and the thought process there is ok...once the rate goes down...we come out of quarantine and then what?...the virus simply spreads again...

    And our taxes aren't that high tbf..we have among the lowest personal tax rates of 'advanced' countries...if you earn 25k or 40k in Britain you really aren't paying much tax compared to the rest of Europe...we pay 18.9% on 25k for example...the French pay 31.8%, Germans 24.3%...

    As for the NHS you're absolutely right about lack of beds, doctors and nurses...but it's mismanagement rather than a lack of spending...and while the Tory's have dealt with this pretty badly...it's generally been pretty poor in general for a while now irregardless of who is in power...
    Rational post, best of luck!

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    To the financial guys on the insurance issue - from what I understand the government's advice to avoid social contact is voluntary not compulsory.

    Therefore does that mean restaurants, bars, theatres etc would not be able to make an insurance claim ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Too early to judge imo...

    Whitty isn't some stooge...he's got a very good reputation...

    Johnson is basically going to take credit for agreeing with Whitty if the plan works...and Whitty will be the fall guy if the strategy fails...

    The likes of Trump aren't listening to scientists at all...

    There is a strategy in place...herd immunity is also the same plan that the Swedes and Finns are applying...and while it's being criticised there does appear to actually be some logic to it...

    My best mate is in quarantine in Spain...and the thought process there is ok...once the rate goes down...we come out of quarantine and then what?...the virus simply spreads again...

    And our taxes aren't that high tbf..we have among the lowest personal tax rates of 'advanced' countries...if you earn 25k or 40k in Britain you really aren't paying much tax compared to the rest of Europe...we pay 18.9% on 25k for example...the French pay 31.8%, Germans 24.3%...

    As for the NHS you're absolutely right about lack of beds, doctors and nurses...but it's mismanagement rather than a lack of spending...and while the Tory's have dealt with this pretty badly...it's generally been pretty poor in general for a while now irregardless of who is in power...
    Herd immunity is a good strategy for the long run but not for the likes of the UK where we have a broken health system. 250,000 dead, nearly 2.5 million hospitalised in a serious condition. I think they have thrown away the elderly to the graves in this approach. Not sure about Finns and Swedes but they have a health system to cope with all those that need help. Here it may come down to picking lots as to who lives and who dies.

    UK is a very rich country, we send aid around the world and have no issues dropping bombs worth thousands to save lives around the world, well this is the claim. Therefore we pay high taxes in comparioson.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    Government has stated that June is peak...and then it will go down...summer is also when the virus will be at it's least effective...

    They have stated they expect it to weaken mid June and be weak until November where they expect it to spike again...

    Whitty has done most of the talking on this matter...not the Tory's...
    Not sure if there is proof of this. Thailand is hot now and remains warm in its winter but it's on lockdown too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Herd immunity is a good strategy for the long run but not for the likes of the UK where we have a broken health system. 250,000 dead, nearly 2.5 million hospitalised in a serious condition. I think they have thrown away the elderly to the graves in this approach. Not sure about Finns and Swedes but they have a health system to cope with all those that need help. Here it may come down to picking lots as to who lives and who dies.

    UK is a very rich country, we send aid around the world and have no issues dropping bombs worth thousands to save lives around the world, well this is the claim. Therefore we pay high taxes in comparioson.
    Well the 250,000 figure isn't going to be all at once...at the moment it's being managed...when of course it doesn't...then it can be judged...

    And yep the health service is struggling numbers wise...but it's simply speculation to suggest that alternate means would be better...we frankly don't know...

    Well it is only the elderly that it can kill...and those who are sick...and as has been so far...it's usually a combination of both...as young people we won't die if we catch this...

    So obviously old people are going to die because it only kills them...the lots system you speak of already exists in Italy sadly...the quarantine approach isn't guaranteed to work either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Not sure if there is proof of this. Thailand is hot now and remains warm in its winter but it's on lockdown too.
    On lockdown but numbers in South East Asia generally seem quite low...the colder countries certainly seem to be doing worse no?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    To the financial guys on the insurance issue - from what I understand the government's advice to avoid social contact is voluntary not compulsory.

    Therefore does that mean restaurants, bars, theatres etc would not be able to make an insurance claim ?
    Further to this, Macron today vowed no business will be allowed to go bankrupt because of this and has announced an economic package. Rents and utility bills will be suspended.

    Meanwhile it seems Boris is more concerned about the welfare of the insurance industry !

    Small businesses will go to the wall !

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh View Post
    On lockdown but numbers in South East Asia generally seem quite low...the colder countries certainly seem to be doing worse no?...
    They also have a larger ageing population, richer nations usually do.

    I just dont know of any concrete evidence to suggest the virus dies after a certian temp. @Markhorho any ideas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Rational post, best of luck!
    Thanks we are all going to need it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    They also have a larger ageing population, richer nations usually do.

    I just dont know of any concrete evidence to suggest the virus dies after a certian temp. @Markhorho any ideas?
    Well it's a type of flu...flu's are more potent in cold and dry weather...

    Of course it could behave completely differently...but that's why they are generally warning of two waves...now...easing off in the summer...and then a second wave again in the winter...

    Countries that are getting things in order are generally doing so through heavy restrictions...but there is nothing to say as yet that its mission accomplished just yet...cos a point is going to come when they relax those restrictions...that will be the true test...whether the virus simply starts up again the likes of South Korea and China which do seem to have got their numbers down for now...

    We're dealing with an unknown here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    They also have a larger ageing population, richer nations usually do.

    I just dont know of any concrete evidence to suggest the virus dies after a certian temp. @Markhorho any ideas?
    We don't know because the virus is still being actively researched. However IF it does behave like the common cold virus, then transmission is much lower during the warmer summer months than the winter.

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    UK has got to have the WORST policy for Coronavirus.

    Herd immunity or whatever.

    But their Daily New Cases are dropping unlike other places.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

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    Is it because they are not testing or because the virus is subsiding?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    UK has got to have the WORST policy for Coronavirus.

    Herd immunity or whatever.

    But their Daily New Cases are dropping unlike other places.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

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    Is it because they are not testing or because the virus is subsiding?
    But deaths are increasing sequentially.

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    The government ramped up measures against the coronavirus epidemic following new predictions that the UK could otherwise have seen 250,000 deaths.

    A new document published by the COVID-19 team at London's Imperial College - which is advising the government on its coronavirus response - warns the current public health threat is the "most serious" from a respiratory virus since the Spanish Flu in 1918.

    They advised the UK adopts a strategy of "epidemic suppression" - for a period of potentially 18 months or more - rather than "mitigation".

    Modelling of the "most effective" mitigation strategy examined had revealed that NHS capacities could be exceeded by at least eightfold - and about 250,000 people could die.

    The Imperial team described the suppression of the coronavirus outbreak as "the only viable strategy at the current time" - even if the "social and economic effects of the measures which are needed to achieve this policy goal will be profound".

    They said: "Many countries have adopted such measures already, but even those countries at an earlier stage of their epidemic (such as the UK) will need to do so imminently."

    On Monday, Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced a significant escalation of UK measures in response to coronavirus, including advising everyone in the country to avoid pubs, clubs, restaurants and theatres and to only make essential journeys.

    Sky News understands the government shifted to tougher measures on Monday partly as a result of the document produced by the team at Imperial.

    The Imperial team described "mitigation" as focusing on "slowing but not necessarily stopping epidemic spread" to reduce NHS demand at the peak of an outbreak.

    By contrast, "suppression" aims to "reverse epidemic growth, reducing case numbers to low levels and maintaining that situation indefinitely".

    Suppression measures would require social distancing by the "entire population" with "home isolation of cases and household quarantine of their family members" as well as possible school closures, according to the document.

    Such measures will need to be maintained until a COVID-19 vaccine becomes available - a period of potentially 18 months or more, the team said.

    They added: "For suppression, early action is important, and interventions need to be in place well before healthcare capacity is overwhelmed."

    However, the team warned it is "not at all certain that suppression will succeed long term" as "no public health intervention with such disruptive effects on society has been previously attempted for such a long duration of time".

    The document added: "How populations and societies will respond remains unclear."

    Having based their findings on health service demand levels in China, Italy and the UK, the Imperial team only reached their conclusions "in the last few days".

    In their examination of the "most effective mitigation strategy", they concluded: "The surge limits for both general ward and ICU [Intensive Care Unit] beds would be exceeded by at least eightfold under the more optimistic scenario for critical care requirements that we examined.

    "In addition, even if all patients were able to be treated, we predict there would still be in the order of 250,000 deaths in GB, and 1.1 to 1.2 million in the US."

    A government spokesperson said: "This is a very fast-moving situation.

    "In order to give the most robust scientific advice SAGE [the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies] draws upon and considers a range of evidence and views to reach its recommendations.

    "Part of this evidence includes the latest modelling data from a number of experts.

    "All SAGE recommendations are in line with the best current evidence. We will be publishing further evidence shortly."

    Chancellor Rishi Sunak will be present at a press briefing on Tuesday, with the Treasury expected to announce a "very significant" package of measures to help businesses deal with the coronanvirus crisis.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...eaths-11958680


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    Those numbers seem like an exaggeration for now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    To the financial guys on the insurance issue - from what I understand the government's advice to avoid social contact is voluntary not compulsory.

    Therefore does that mean restaurants, bars, theatres etc would not be able to make an insurance claim ?
    They won't be able to claim the small business grant either which has been publicised, although at £3k it's hardly going to make much of a dent anyway. It's a really confusing message being put out at the moment, govt advising people to isolate, yet keeping schools open, which you would imagine are a hotbed of virus transmission, and also leaving it up to businesses to stay open if they want to. Not really any serious sort of lockdown is it?


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    The government ramped up measures against the coronavirus epidemic following new predictions that the UK could otherwise have seen 250,000 deaths.

    A new document published by the COVID-19 team at London's Imperial College - which is advising the government on its coronavirus response - warns the current public health threat is the "most serious" from a respiratory virus since the Spanish Flu in 1918.

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    They advised the UK adopts a strategy of "epidemic suppression" - for a period of potentially 18 months or more - rather than "mitigation".

    Coronavirus: What do mitigation and suppression mean?
    Coronavirus: What do mitigation and suppression mean?
    Modelling of the "most effective" mitigation strategy examined had revealed that NHS capacities could be exceeded by at least eightfold - and about 250,000 people could die.

    The Imperial team described the suppression of the coronavirus outbreak as "the only viable strategy at the current time" - even if the "social and economic effects of the measures which are needed to achieve this policy goal will be profound".

    They said: "Many countries have adopted such measures already, but even those countries at an earlier stage of their epidemic [such as the UK] will need to do so imminently."

    On Monday, Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced a significant escalation of UK measures in response to coronavirus, including advising everyone in the country to avoid pubs, clubs, restaurants and theatres and to only make essential journeys.

    What is the latest coronavirus advice?

    If you live alone and have a high temperature or a new and continuous cough, you should self-isolate for seven days
    If you live in a household with others and have a high temperature or a new and continuous cough, both yourself and all others in your household should stay isolated together for 14 days
    Everyone, including if you are not displaying symptoms yourself and live in a household where no one is displaying symptoms, should stop all unnecessary contact with others and all unnecessary travel
    You should work from home where possible and avoid venues such as pubs, clubs, theatres and restaurants
    Pay particular attention to the advice if you are over 70, pregnant, have underlying health problems or live in London
    Don't call the NHS 111 helpline if you have mild or moderate illness and instead seek advice online. But do call if your illness becomes more severe.

    Sky News understands the government shifted to tougher measures on Monday partly as a result of the document produced by the team at Imperial.

    The Imperial team described "mitigation" as focusing on "slowing but not necessarily stopping epidemic spread" to reduce NHS demand at the peak of an outbreak.

    By contrast, "suppression" aims to "reverse epidemic growth, reducing case numbers to low levels and maintaining that situation indefinitely".

    Suppression measures would require social distancing by the "entire population" with "home isolation of cases and household quarantine of their family members" as well as possible school closures, according to the document.

    Such measures will need to be maintained until a COVID-19 vaccine becomes available - a period of potentially 18 months or more, the team said.

    They added: "For suppression, early action is important, and interventions need to be in place well before healthcare capacity is overwhelmed."

    However, the team warned it is "not at all certain that suppression will succeed long term" as "no public health intervention with such disruptive effects on society has been previously attempted for such a long duration of time".

    The document added: "How populations and societies will respond remains unclear."

    Having based their findings on health service demand levels in China, Italy and the UK, the Imperial team only reached their conclusions "in the last few days".

    In their examination of the "most effective mitigation strategy", they concluded: "The surge limits for both general ward and ICU [intensive care unit] beds would be exceeded by at least eightfold under the more optimistic scenario for critical care requirements that we examined.

    "In addition, even if all patients were able to be treated, we predict there would still be in the order of 250,000 deaths in GB, and 1.1 to 1.2 million in the US."

    A government spokesperson said: "This is a very fast-moving situation.

    "In order to give the most robust scientific advice SAGE [the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies] draws upon and considers a range of evidence and views to reach its recommendations.

    "Part of this evidence includes the latest modelling data from a number of experts.

    "All SAGE recommendations are in line with the best current evidence. We will be publishing further evidence shortly."

    Chancellor Rishi Sunak will be present at a news briefing on Tuesday, with the Treasury expected to announce a "very significant" package of measures to help businesses deal with the coronanvirus crisis.

    Shadow chancellor John McDonnell tweeted: "We need unequivocal statement from chancellor today that people's incomes will be protected businesses will be fully supported to prevent any going out of business as result of the virus, and it has to be on a scale sufficient to meet this crisis. No small measures. Get it right."

    The number of UK coronavirus cases currently stands at 1,543, with 55 deaths.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...eaths-11958680


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    Already fears of job losses expected and large number of business under strain to operate in many countries. This is escalating to unimaginable proportions and recession seems very evident now!

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    Its too late...

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    Cineworld and Picturehouse close all their cinemas over coronavirus

    Cineworld and Picturehouse have announced the closure of all their cinemas across the UK starting from Wednesday and in Ireland starting on Tuesday until further notice.

    They follow rival chain Odeon which said it has closed all its cinemas "until further notice" following by the government's coronavirus guidance.

    Prime Minister Boris Johnson has urged people to stay away from pubs, clubs, restaurants, theatres and cinemas in an effort to curb the spread of COVID-19.


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