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    First patients arrive at London's new coronavirus hospital

    The first patients have been admitted to the new Nightingale Hospital in London, which has been set up in just nine days at the Excel Exhibition Centre to handle the coronavirus crisis.

    The facility, which was officially opened by Prince Charles on Friday, will provide up to 4,000 beds equipped with ventilators and oxygen and be used for those who require further intensive care treatment for COVID-19.

    Around 25,000 doctors, nurses and support staff will work at the location once it is fully operational.

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    First patients admitted to Nightingale Hospital

    The first patients have been admitted to the NHS Nightingale Hospital in London - a temporary facility set up at the ExCel conference centre.

    The admissions come two weeks after the hospital with a planned capacity of 4,000 was formally announced - although an NHS spokesperson stressed limits had not been reached at other sites in London.

    Nightingale initially has 500 beds in place, with space for another 3,500. It will care for patients with the virus in intensive care who have been transferred from other London hospitals.


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    Fourteen transport workers have died in London after contracting the coronavirus, mayor Sadiq Khan has told Sky News.

    Mr Khan told Kay Burley@Breakfast that the death toll includes nine bus drivers, as well as three Transport for London workers, an Underground employee and a worker for one of TfL's suppliers.

    The mayor said his condolences were with all those who have lost their lives as a result of COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

    Mr Khan stressed that his office was doing a "number of things" to ensure that transport in the capital was "as safe as possible".

    "We've made sure, for example, that we're using advanced cleaning regimes," he said.

    "We're using antiviral disinfectant, the sort of stuff you use in hospitals, to clean not just the steering wheels, but the handles, the bus garages, the restrooms.

    "We've also made sure that passengers can't sit too near a bus driver.

    "We've made sure there's perspex glass between the bus driver and passenger with a protective film in there as well."

    Mr Khan revealed that on some routes, a trial involving passengers only using the back door of the bus to enter and exit the vehicle will now take place.

    Sky News has spoken to a number of bus drivers in London who have said they do not believe they have the proper protective equipment to do their job safely.

    TfL staff members, who wanted to remain anonymous, said they "are all scared" due to a lack of protective equipment during the COVID-19 outbreak.

    TfL have told Sky News that the safety of staff and customers is "our absolute priority", adding that it has been working with bus companies, the mayor and the Unite union to "implement a range of changes and improvements to keep the bus network and garages safe for those operating and using it".

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...id-19-11970283


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    LONDON (Reuters) - Britain is nowhere near lifting the lockdown measures it put in place to tackle the spread of the coronavirus as the peak is still more than a week away, London Mayor Sadiq Khan said on Wednesday.

    When he announced the nationwide lockdown on March 23, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said it would be reviewed after three weeks.

    Asked during an interview on BBC Radio whether the lockdown should be lifted next Monday, Khan said: “I think we are nowhere near lifting the lockdown.

    “We think the peak, which is the worst part of the virus, is still probably a week and a half away,” he added.


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    A minister has played down the possibility of the coronavirus lockdown being relaxed or ending soon, telling Sky News: "We're not there yet."

    Britons have been living under stringent restrictions on movement in the last few weeks in a bid to halt the spread of COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

    "We will be led by the scientific evidence of when is the right moment for the changes to be made," health minister Edward Argar told Kay Burley@Breakfast.

    "At the moment that is not the right moment."

    The government instructions state that people should only be leaving their house during the lockdown for food, health reasons, outdoor exercise or to go to work if they cannot do their job from home.

    When he announced the lockdown last month, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the measures would be reviewed every three weeks.

    On Easter Monday, it will be three weeks since the lockdown was imposed.

    But the PM's admission to hospital - and subsequent move to intensive care - has thrown the timing of the review into question and raised fears of a power vacuum.

    Mr Johnson's condition remains "stable", according to the latest update from Downing Street on Tuesday evening.

    Speaking at the government's daily coronavirus press conference that day, Dominic Raab suggested the lockdown review could be pushed back.

    Foreign secretary, Dominic Raab says he is confident the PM will pull through as 'he's a fighter'

    'PM is a fighter - I'm confident he'll pull through'

    The foreign secretary, who is deputising in Mr Johnson's absence, stressed ministers could not consider easing the lockdown restrictions until it was clear the peak of the epidemic had passed and it could be "responsibly done".

    Downing Street later confirmed the review would take place after the three-week mark originally committed to.

    However, emergency legislation put before parliament three days after the lockdown was introduced states that a review must take place every 21 days, with the first deadline on 16 April.

    Speaking to Sky News on Wednesday, Mr Argar reiterated the point made by the foreign secretary about ensuring the peak of the outbreak has passed before easing the lockdown restrictions.

    "As the chief scientific adviser said there are some positive signs in terms of the rate of growth of the virus slowing," he said.

    Edward Argar says that comparisons between the UK and Germany over coronavirus must be made with caution

    'Caution' when comparing UK to Germany

    "But we don't know - the evidence isn't there yet as to whether we've reached the peak.

    "The message this weekend, this week, is hugely important. It's keep staying at home, keep protecting our NHS. By doing that, we will save lives.

    "Now is not the time to let up, now is the time to double down, keep following that advice and sticking with it."

    London mayor Sadiq Khan said the UK was "nowhere near lifting the lockdown".

    "We think the peak - which is the worst part of the virus - is still probably a week-and-a-half away," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...gests-11970392


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    It's a tale we've heard many times now: Britons are stranded abroad. A lucky few have managed to find their way home, but not everyone is as fortunate.

    One couple stuck in a remote village in the Indian state of Punjab say they are eight hours away from Delhi - the capital city where they could get a flight back to the UK.

    But a national lockdown means they can't get there.

    "Every day we end up crying, We don't know when we will get back," 73-year-old Amrik Bola from Derby told the BBC.
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    Coronavirus: Another 828 patients die in hospital in England - taking total to 6,483


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    Companies are purposely furloughing staff and making them work full time from home, whilst sending the bill to the Government. This is a major financial disaster

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Viper View Post
    It's a tale we've heard many times now: Britons are stranded abroad. A lucky few have managed to find their way home, but not everyone is as fortunate.

    One couple stuck in a remote village in the Indian state of Punjab say they are eight hours away from Delhi - the capital city where they could get a flight back to the UK.

    But a national lockdown means they can't get there.

    "Every day we end up crying, We don't know when we will get back," 73-year-old Amrik Bola from Derby told the BBC.
    Here is another story too.

    Don't think I would have been treated any better in UK, says British national cured of Covid-19 in Kerala

    Brian Lockwood, a 57-year-old British national who was tested positive during his India visit and discharged from Kerala hospital after recovering from the deadly disease, said he did not think he would have been treated any better in the UK.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Companies are purposely furloughing staff and making them work full time from home, whilst sending the bill to the Government. This is a major financial disaster
    Any source on this illegal practice occurring?

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    Another 938 coronavirus patients have died in the UK, taking the total to 7,097.

    In England, more 828 coronavirus patients have died in hospital in England, taking the total to 6,483.

    The latest figures, released by NHS England, count newly-confirmed deaths of hospital patients who have COVID-19, reported up until 5pm on Tuesday.

    Patients were aged between 22 and 103, and 46 (aged 35 to 96) had no known underlying health condition.

    The highest number of coronavirus fatalities came in London, with 201, followed by 171 in the Midlands, where a temporary mortuary is nearing completion at Birmingham Airport.

    Also reporting three figures were the North West with 128 the South East with 120, and the North East with 101.


    There were 70 deaths recorded in the East of England and 37 in the South West.

    It is the largest overall increase reported by NHS England so far.

    Paramedics and medical staff with waiting ambulances outside the NHS Nightingale Hospital at the ExCel centre in London, a temporary hospital with 4000 beds which has been set up for the treatment of Covid-19 patients.

    The other home nations have also reported increases in deaths:

    70 in Scotland - a rise to 366
    33 in Wales - total is 245
    Five in Northern Ireland - total is 78

    Those figures combined with NHS England's total takes the nationwide daily rise to 936.

    But the different home nations collate their figures at different times throughout the day, so there are sometimes discrepancies between the UK government's total when adding up the individual numbers.

    The Department of Health is expected to publish its total update for the UK this afternoon.

    The latest increase came amid a growing sense that the UK lockdown will be extended beyond its original timeframe, which comes to an end on Monday.

    Britons have been living under stringent restrictions on movement in the last few weeks since the prime minister announced unprecedented measures in a bid to halt the spread of the COVID-19 disease.

    Health minister Edward Argar told Kay Burley@Breakfast it was "not the right moment" to make changes, with any decision likely to be made by the cabinet in the absence of Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

    He remains in intensive care but is said to be responding to treatment for his coronavirus symtoms.

    Wales' devolved government has already confirmed its measures will remain in place beyond the Easter weekend, taking the lockdown further than the three-weeks laid out by Downing Street last month.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...6-483-11970523


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    Round-up: What did we learn from the UK briefing?

    The UK government press conference has come to an end. Here’s what we learned:

    Chancellor Rishi Sunak said Boris Johnson remained in intensive care, but his condition was improving and he was "sitting up in bed"
    He announced a £750m package to keep struggling charities afloat during the pandemic

    He declined to "speculate" on when UK-wide lockdown measures would end, saying any decision would be based on scientific data

    Angela McLean, chief scientific adviser at the Ministry of Defence, said new UK cases of the virus were "not accelerating out of control"

    NHS England’s medical director, Stephen Powis, said hospital admittance data was showing the "first signs of plateauing"

    But he said this was not a time for complacency, and the virus would start to spread again if social distancing rules were not followed


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    Another 938 deaths today in UK with total deaths crossed 7000. Situation in UK now is what was in Italy/Spain a week ago. Whoever is in control now in govt need to forcefully lockdown the entire country.

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    938 today.

    We are dying faster than any European nation now.

    God help us all.

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    Premier League footballers have announced the launch of a contribution fund called Players Together with money going towards the NHS's charity partner.

    "The contributions that this initiative will generate will help NHS Charities Together (NHSCT) quickly grant funds to the front line," a statement said.

    There are no details of how much money will be contributed.

    NHSCT chief executive Ellie Orton said: "It will make a huge difference to us to have the players on board and sends an amazing message of support. It will also inspire many others to give donations."

    Premier League players had previously been criticised by several government ministers for not taking pay cuts during the coronavirus crisis.

    English football is indefinitely suspended.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    938 today.

    We are dying faster than any European nation now.

    God help us all.
    Freudian slip?

    The rate of infections is coming down according to the government but I dont trust them one bit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Freudian slip?

    The rate of infections is coming down according to the government but I dont trust them one bit.
    A hospital close to me is asking for people to donate iPads. Why?
    Because the dying are begging to say goodbye to their loved ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    A hospital close to me is asking for people to donate iPads. Why?
    Because the dying are begging to say goodbye to their loved ones
    Thats so tragic.

    Do you remember last year when the Tories ended the free tv licence for pensioners? Many have been found dead in their homes with no T.V. Imagine a people who took away the only entertainment or news outlet for the elderly and now allowing them to die alone with fear. The evil in British society, is on another level but people are too brainwashed to notice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Thats so tragic.

    Do you remember last year when the Tories ended the free tv licence for pensioners? Many have been found dead in their homes with no T.V. Imagine a people who took away the only entertainment or news outlet for the elderly and now allowing them to die alone with fear. The evil in British society, is on another level but people are too brainwashed to notice.
    That will have nothing to do with the scrapping of free TV licenses given they weren't set to be scrapped until this June and that's now been delayed due to the current situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    That will have nothing to do with the scrapping of free TV licenses given they weren't set to be scrapped until this June and that's now been delayed due to the current situation.
    Not all elderly people waited. Some were choosing between a hot meal and heating. So when this news broke, many got rid of their TV. Only a few weeks ago this was announced but too late for many. I know of elderly found dead in their homes via doctors, with no T.V in sight.


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    There are also fears over BBC contractors visiting self-isolating elderly people at their supposed “safe haven” of home in order to arrange fee payments.

    Around 900,000 households on pension credit can keep the license concession, but have been advised to visit “corner shops and post offices” during the pandemic in order to keep the BBC benefit.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...onavirus-keep/


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    Exercise Cygnus was a simulation exercise carried out by the British government in October 2016[1] to estimate the impact of a hypothetical influenza pandemic on the United Kingdom. The exercise showed that the pandemic would cause the country's health system to collapse from a lack of resources,[2][3] with Sally Davies, the Chief Medical Officer at the time, stating that a lack of medical ventilators and the logistics of disposal of dead bodies were serious problems.[4][5] As of March 2020, the full results of the exercise remain classified.[6]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus

    Anyone here from MI5 or ISI (not RAW) who can shed some light on this?

    Obviously a coincidence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus

    Anyone here from MI5 or ISI (not RAW) who can shed some light on this?

    Obviously a coincidence.
    You might as well say that car manufacturers doing crash testing causes actual car crashes on the motorway.

    Would that this desktop exercise had been heeded by Government. We would be seeing fewer deaths now. Instead they voted against a pay rise for nurses.

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    While British Prime Minister Boris Johnson's condition, suffering from a coronavirus infection, is improving in intensive care and he tries to recover, the situation for many others remained grave as the United Kingdom recorded its deadliest day since the epidemic began.

    Total UK hospital deaths from COVID-19 rose by a record 938 in the last 24 hours to 7,097 as of 16:00 GMT on April 7, health officials said on Wednesday, as the number of cases rose to 60,733.

    Johnson, 55, was admitted to St Thomas' Hospital on Sunday evening with a persistent high temperature and cough and was rushed to intensive care on Monday. He has received oxygen support but has not been put on a ventilator.

    "Things are getting better for him," his Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden said on Thursday. "He's stable, improving, sat up and engaged with medical staff."

    Meanwhile, Johnson's government reviewed the most stringent shut down in peacetime history.

    The UK is entering what scientists say is the deadliest phase of the outbreak, with deaths expected to continue to rise over the Easter weekend.

    The government's emergency response meeting, known as COBR, will on Thursday discuss how it should deal with a review on lockdown measures.

    Ministers are expected to extend restrictive measures aimed at limiting the spread of infection.

    Johnson's designated deputy, Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, will chair the meeting, but no final decision will be made at the meeting. London's mayor and the Welsh government have said the lockdown would stay in place.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...080350803.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Freudian slip?

    The rate of infections is coming down according to the government but I dont trust them one bit.
    You shouldn't believe them or the mainstream media on anything. They taking down videos on youtube which are exposing them for the frauds they are. People are stuck at home mostly, but the few who are brave enough to step outside are showing us just how empty the hospitals are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    You shouldn't believe them or the mainstream media on anything. They taking down videos on youtube which are exposing them for the frauds they are. People are stuck at home mostly, but the few who are brave enough to step outside are showing us just how empty the hospitals are.
    And yet thousands are still dying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    And yet thousands are still dying...
    Have you seen them? Do you know for sure they are dying from the virus and not other causes? There many videos and articles online from people saying anyone showing Covid-19 symptoms is being marked down as a case.

    We're not saying people aren't dying or this virus isn't real. But it's not the mass chaos the news or government or you are telling us it is.

    If they're lying about this - rest assured they'll be lying about tons of other things too. Seems like a lot of countries are also lying about it, so many videos on empty hospitals being taken down.

    In fact the government themselves have downgraded Covid-19 and it isn't considered a pandemic for over 2 weeks and yet we're in a lockdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    Have you seen them? Do you know for sure they are dying from the virus and not other causes? There many videos and articles online from people saying anyone showing Covid-19 symptoms is being marked down as a case.

    We're not saying people aren't dying or this virus isn't real. But it's not the mass chaos the news or government or you are telling us it is.

    If they're lying about this - rest assured they'll be lying about tons of other things too. Seems like a lot of countries are also lying about it, so many videos on empty hospitals being taken down.
    For someone to be marked as a death as a result of coronavirus they have to have tested positive for it and have been hospitalised. Even considering the fact fact that other underlying conditions may have been a larger contributor to the cause of death, we already reached the point a few weeks ago where the weekly national death rate got more than a 1000 above the recent national average of the equivalent week in recent years and that that was when our total deaths/cases were a fraction of what they are now.


    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    In fact the government themselves have downgraded Covid-19 and it isn't considered a pandemic for over 2 weeks and yet we're in a lockdown.
    Got a source on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    You shouldn't believe them or the mainstream media on anything. They taking down videos on youtube which are exposing them for the frauds they are. People are stuck at home mostly, but the few who are brave enough to step outside are showing us just how empty the hospitals are.
    There is a separate thread for conspiracies...

    Unless you have can quote solid sources please don’t pollute this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    For someone to be marked as a death as a result of coronavirus they have to have tested positive for it and have been hospitalised. Even considering the fact fact that other underlying conditions may have been a larger contributor to the cause of death, we already reached the point a few weeks ago where the weekly national death rate got more than a 1000 above the recent national average of the equivalent week in recent years and that that was when our total deaths/cases were a fraction of what they are now.

    Got a source on that?
    https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...virus#guidance

    Scroll down and you’ll see it says since March 19 covid 19 no longer considered a HCID. It can be missed because it’s not in big print but there you go.

    Even your elected government acknowledges this isn’t a pandemic despite the garbage they and the mainstream media spew out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    There is a separate thread for conspiracies...

    Unless you have can quote solid sources please don’t pollute this thread.
    Source included in my previous post. No conspiracy, even the British government acknowledge it’s not a HCID which all of you keep droning on about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...virus#guidance

    Scroll down and you’ll see it says since March 19 covid 19 no longer considered a HCID. It can be missed because it’s not in big print but there you go.

    Even your elected government acknowledges this isn’t a pandemic despite the garbage they and the mainstream media spew out.
    Not being classed as a HCID has nothing to do with the classification of being a pandemic. The fatality rates aren't as high as other viruses, we know that, it's still been/being widely spread with thousands dying though.

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    Latest news from the UK:

    NHS England announced a further 765 people with the virus had died. In Scotland, another 81 people died, while Wales announced a further 41 deaths.

    Boris Johnson's condition is said to be improving, and he is "in good spirits" according to Downing St

    The Welsh government has annoyed Westminster by pre-empting its decision on extending the lockdown

    Greater Manchester Police issued a warning after shutting down over 600 parties


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    Another 765 patients have died in England after contracting #coronavirus - bringing the total to 7,248.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    You might as well say that car manufacturers doing crash testing causes actual car crashes on the motorway.

    Would that this desktop exercise had been heeded by Government. We would be seeing fewer deaths now. Instead they voted against a pay rise for nurses.
    Car manufacturers? The point was the results of this excercise are classified? Do you know why?

    Government has changed it's strategy like the British weather, a bunch of clowns in charge.


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    Raab has not spoken to PM

    Oliver Wright from the Times asks if Acting PM Dominic Raab has had any contact with Boris Johnson since he went into hospital.

    "Not yet," replies Raab, adding: "I think it is important to let him focus on the recovery - we in the government have got this covered."

    Wright also asks if the Office of National Statistics figures on coronavirus deaths, expected next week, will be higher than NHS figures.

    Chief Medical Adviser Chris Whitty says NHS figures are useful because "we can get them very fast - that allows us to see in near time the trends over time".

    He says he expects the ONS figures - which include care home deaths - to be higher, but adds there will be a time lag as their numbers take longer to gather.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    You shouldn't believe them or the mainstream media on anything. They taking down videos on youtube which are exposing them for the frauds they are. People are stuck at home mostly, but the few who are brave enough to step outside are showing us just how empty the hospitals are.
    Of course, the last 20 years of British foriegn policy is more than enough proof, they lie with a straight face about almost everything, this is no different.

    For all we know Boris is already gone. Of course im not saying it's true but could be with this government.


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    UK defends coronavirus response after Reuters investigation

    The British government defended its early handling of the coronavirus epidemic after a Reuters investigation found its scientific advisers were too slow to communicate their growing concerns about the outbreak to the public and ministers.


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    In the early hours of Thursday morning, the first of seven repatriation flights to bring UK citizens home from India landed in London.

    More than 300 Britons were on the flight from Goa, including Amanda Ashworth and her three young children. Relieved to finally return home, she said the UK government had made her feel like she was “out on a limb”, and had taken too long to act.

    Those who are still stranded share that sentiment. As other countries including Germany and Ireland have laid on rescue flights for thousands of their citizens in India, Brits have looked on with frustration. In the next few days more flights will leave from Goa, Delhi and Mumbai, but there’s concern among British Indians that tourists have been prioritised and they have been ignored.

    Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi, the MP for Slough, told the BBC that the largest number of Brits were in Punjab and Gujarat. “They’re feeling discriminated against,” he said.

    Officials say they’re doing all they can to arrange more flights, but given the sheer numbers, it’ll take time. Many of those still waiting say they’re running out of food, money and medicine.



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    my dads stranded in pakistan - return flight rebooked for the 20/4/20 to heathrow


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    Here's what you need to know today:

    Brits are being told to stay home to have a "safe Easter", as temperatures rise to 26C (79F) in some places

    Downing Street said on Thursday evening that PM Boris Johnson was now out of intensive care but remains in hospital - where he is in "extremely good spirits"

    Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick has defended his travel moves amid reports he flouted lockdown rules

    The number of people to have died in hospital in the UK after testing positive has risen to 7,978, officials announced on Thursday - up 881 on the previous day

    For the third week running, people took to their doorsteps and balconies to take part in a round of national applause for NHS workers

    Online sales of Easter eggs are surging as UK consumers turn to the internet to buy chocolate during the lockdown


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    It is up to Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick to explain why he drove 40 miles to visit his elderly parents, says shadow home secretary Nick Thomas-Symonds.

    Mr Jenrick said he was delivering essentials, including medicines, because his parents are self-isolating. He said he “respected social distancing rules”.

    "There are the four reasons for leaving your house. One of them is to deliver essential supplies to vulnerable people,” Mr Thomas-Symonds told BBC Breakfast

    "Clearly if that is what Robert Jenrick has done, then it fits within the four exceptions. It is for him to answer precisely what the purpose of the journey he undertook was."

    Dr Paul Cosford, medical director for Public Health England, also said it “sounds what he did was within one of those four guidelines".

    He added: “The principle is clear, and that is stay at home unless you absolutely have to go out.”

    It's been five days since Scotland's chief medical officer Catherine Calderwood resigned after making two trips to her second home.

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    One thing i am unable to understand that Pakistan has 727 people recovered and 66 casualties. On the other hand in UK only 135 recoveries and sadly almost 8000 people died. This is such a big difference.
    Why people in Uk are struggling to recover, they have batter health facilities than Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naim View Post
    One thing i am unable to understand that Pakistan has 727 people recovered and 66 casualties. On the other hand in UK only 135 recoveries and sadly almost 8000 people died. This is such a big difference.
    Why people in Uk are struggling to recover, they have batter health facilities than Pakistan.
    The british media and government aren't providing accurate figures.

    There is no distinction between the following:

    1. Someone who has died as a result of Covid19
    2. Someone who has died with Covid19

    They are putting all of it into one bracket which gives these inflated numbers and the people are falling for it. In many cases they're not actually testing and videos exposing the lies are being taken down online.

    So the reality is - we won't ever get accurate figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naim View Post
    One thing i am unable to understand that Pakistan has 727 people recovered and 66 casualties. On the other hand in UK only 135 recoveries and sadly almost 8000 people died. This is such a big difference.
    Why people in Uk are struggling to recover, they have batter health facilities than Pakistan.
    Figures are wrong. 59.9 Million people have not been tested

    The figures are from people who were reluctantly tested by the NHS and private medical facilities due to either paying for it or being so concerned that these people may need a ventilator.

    I bet around 10-20 million people have already recovered without even knowing they had it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naim View Post
    One thing i am unable to understand that Pakistan has 727 people recovered and 66 casualties. On the other hand in UK only 135 recoveries and sadly almost 8000 people died. This is such a big difference.
    Why people in Uk are struggling to recover, they have batter health facilities than Pakistan.
    Those are not true figures, My cousin got corona and gave it to everyone in his house, they have all recovered at home except one family member who needed hospitilization, government stats will only count for the one person who ended up in hospital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    The british media and government aren't providing accurate figures.

    There is no distinction between the following:

    1. Someone who has died as a result of Covid19
    2. Someone who has died with Covid19

    They are putting all of it into one bracket which gives these inflated numbers and the people are falling for it. In many cases they're not actually testing and videos exposing the lies are being taken down online.

    So the reality is - we won't ever get accurate figures.
    I see you're back today with another lie after you ran off after getting exposed on yesterdays lie. The numbers that are the most commonly reported and those referred to by the government in daily briefings and most media outlets, require a positive test for COVID-19 for a death to be counted. They also require death to occur in a hospital meaning there are a massive amount of deaths that aren't being included in these figures due to deaths at home, in care homes etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    I see you're back today with another lie after you ran off after getting exposed on yesterdays lie. The numbers that are the most commonly reported and those referred to by the government in daily briefings and most media outlets, require a positive test for COVID-19 for a death to be counted. They also require death to occur in a hospital meaning there are a massive amount of deaths that aren't being included in these figures due to deaths at home, in care homes etc.
    He’s just a very scared man holding onto conspiracies....

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    Modelling suggests that the death rate will peak on 19 April at 2900 and start to decline.

    That means 66,000 deaths. I think this is high though - it predicts 1700 today and we are at 800 to 900.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Modelling suggests that the death rate will peak on 19 April at 2900 and start to decline.

    That means 66,000 deaths. I think this is high though - it predicts 1700 today and we are at 800 to 900.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom
    Chris Whitty (The guy who orchestrated the lockdown) is confident that we will have less than 20k deaths

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    I see you're back today with another lie after you ran off after getting exposed on yesterdays lie. The numbers that are the most commonly reported and those referred to by the government in daily briefings and most media outlets, require a positive test for COVID-19 for a death to be counted. They also require death to occur in a hospital meaning there are a massive amount of deaths that aren't being included in these figures due to deaths at home, in care homes etc.
    Not sure what you're referring to, but a quick scan of my comments yesterday and I assume you're referring what the government and them not classifying Covid-19 as a HCID.

    Well I produced an official source so I'm not sure how you can say I ran off.

    How convenient of you to mention the "massive number of deaths which aren't being included" but completely ignore points 1 & 2 in my post. Even if there is a massive number who die outside hospital, what would it be? Double? Most of those would not have died as a result of Covid19 but with it. Huge difference that you and your pals continue to ignore.

    People are dying with Covid19 in relatively big numbers, but very few are dying as a result of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Modelling suggests that the death rate will peak on 19 April at 2900 and start to decline.

    That means 66,000 deaths. I think this is high though - it predicts 1700 today and we are at 800 to 900.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom
    How many of those 66k will die as a result of Covid19 rather than die with it? I suspect about 500 of those 66k will have died because of Covid19 the rest with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    He’s just a very scared man holding onto conspiracies....
    Actually I'm not scared. I am very fed up with people like you, our goverment and mainstream media who have kicked up a huge fuss over this when it's not warranted. Because of the government, supported by many in the public like you, we are now stuck at home. We can't go anywhere or do anything because everything is locked down.

    None of you have responded to the questions I've raised about the videos showing empty hospitals all over the world and you call me a conpiracy theorists. Hundreds of videos now with different hashtags and they show the very same thing that I have seen at my local hospital - no chaos and hardly any patients in A&E. People around the world are asking if things are so bad, as they show on TV, why is it nothing like that in their videos? What is the explanation for these empty hospitals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    Not sure what you're referring to, but a quick scan of my comments yesterday and I assume you're referring what the government and them not classifying Covid-19 as a HCID.

    Well I produced an official source so I'm not sure how you can say I ran off.

    How convenient of you to mention the "massive number of deaths which aren't being included" but completely ignore points 1 & 2 in my post. Even if there is a massive number who die outside hospital, what would it be? Double? Most of those would not have died as a result of Covid19 but with it. Huge difference that you and your pals continue to ignore.

    People are dying with Covid19 in relatively big numbers, but very few are dying as a result of it.
    I'm referring to your claim that the government have stopped classifying the current situation as a pandemic, something that's blatantly false and you've completely failed to backup.

    As I pointed out to you yesterday, we already reached the point a few weeks ago where the weekly national death rate got more than a 1000 above the national average of the equivalent week in recent years and that that was when our total deaths/cases were a fraction of what they are now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    None of you have responded to the questions I've raised about the videos showing empty hospitals all over the world and you call me a conpiracy theorists. Hundreds of videos now with different hashtags and they show the very same thing that I have seen at my local hospital - no chaos and hardly any patients in A&E. People around the world are asking if things are so bad, as they show on TV, why is it nothing like that in their videos? What is the explanation for these empty hospitals?
    Feel free to link us to a few of these videos to the UK.

    Also of course A&E's are going to be quieter than usual. The government have explicitly told anyone with coronavirus not to visit them and given the current situation people are going to be more reluctant to visit them for other issues unless they're urgent. Added to that there's less factors to cause a visit to A&E when most people are locked down in their homes. I'm curious, what took you to A&E if you don't mind me asking?
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    Further 866 deaths announced in England

    NHS England has announced 866 further deaths of people who had tested positive for Covid-19.

    It brings the total number of confirmed deaths in hospitals in England to 8,114.

    Of the new deaths announced today, 117 occurred on 9 April, 720 between 1 April and 8 April, and 29 in March.


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    Downing St defends housing secretary's trip

    The UK prime minister's spokesperson has defended the housing secretary, Robert Jenrick, after several newspapers accused him of flouting social distancing rules by travelling to his parents' home.

    Mr Jenrick said his trip was to drop of food and medicines for his elderly parents, who cannot go shopping for themselves, and was therefore a permitted journey.

    Mr Jenrick was also criticised for driving to his other home in Herefordshire, to join his wife and children for the Easter weekend.

    The PM’s spokesman said: “As part of the coronavirus response, there will be occasions when ministers have no option but to work from Whitehall.

    "In the event this is required, and the rest of the household is living elsewhere, it's not an unnecessary journey for them to travel to rejoin that family."


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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    I'm referring to your claim that the government have stopped classifying the current situation as a pandemic, something that's blatantly false and you've completely failed to backup.

    As I pointed out to you yesterday, we already reached the point a few weeks ago where the weekly national death rate got more than a 1000 above the national average of the equivalent week in recent years and that that was when our total deaths/cases were a fraction of what they are now.
    You are asking others to backup comments yet you haven't backed up diddly squat yourself.

    You say death rates are up but the official for national statistics has only released figures officially up until the March 20. So what is your source? Funny how you and your pals demand sources for information but never give any yourself.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...stered-by-week

    2020 is slightly above the 5 yr average - nothing drastic based on the details in that link. I assume they'll update it soon.

    However it's all crap unless you split the number of deaths caused by Covid19 from the people who have died with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Downing St defends housing secretary's trip

    The UK prime minister's spokesperson has defended the housing secretary, Robert Jenrick, after several newspapers accused him of flouting social distancing rules by travelling to his parents' home.

    Mr Jenrick said his trip was to drop of food and medicines for his elderly parents, who cannot go shopping for themselves, and was therefore a permitted journey.

    Mr Jenrick was also criticised for driving to his other home in Herefordshire, to join his wife and children for the Easter weekend.

    The PM’s spokesman said: “As part of the coronavirus response, there will be occasions when ministers have no option but to work from Whitehall.

    "In the event this is required, and the rest of the household is living elsewhere, it's not an unnecessary journey for them to travel to rejoin that family."
    I really didn't get this article, came across as pretty poor journalism trying to demonise an MP who by all accounts was acting within the regulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    You are asking others to backup comments yet you haven't backed up diddly squat yourself.

    You say death rates are up but the official for national statistics has only released figures officially up until the March 20. So what is your source? Funny how you and your pals demand sources for information but never give any yourself.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...stered-by-week

    2020 is slightly above the 5 yr average - nothing drastic based on the details in that link. I assume they'll update it soon.

    However it's all crap unless you split the number of deaths caused by Covid19 from the people who have died with it.
    ONS data is available up until the week ending the 27th March (https://bit.ly/2Vlcox4). The number of deaths that week was over a 1000 higher than the previous 5 year average. This was at a point when we had 759 COVID-19 deaths in hospitals across the country compared to the current total of 8,114.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    Feel free to link us to a few of these videos to the UK.

    Also of course A&E's are going to be quieter than usual. The government have explicitly told anyone with coronavirus not to visit them and given the current situation people are going to be more reluctant to visit them for other issues unless they're urgent. Added to that there's less factors to cause a visit to A&E when most people are locked down in their homes. I'm curious, what took you to A&E if you don't mind me asking?
    I've posted multiple videos over the last few weeks, so feel free to go through my posts. If you don't want to feel free to search for empty hospital or film your hospital material online. It's interesting - one of the videos of a hospital in London that I bookmarked has now been removed. Seems like Youtube has removed a couple of the videos I've seen recently as well. So they're all in on it, taking down anything which questions the stuff they tell on media. I didn't go to an A&E, I drove past one and slowed down to take a peak.

    MIG has posted in #700

    "866 further deaths of people who have tested positive for Covid 19"

    Nothing to highlight the number who have died as a result of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    ONS data is available up until the week ending the 27th March (https://bit.ly/2Vlcox4). The number of deaths that week was over a 1000 higher than the previous 5 year average. This was at a point when we had 759 COVID-19 deaths in hospitals across the country compared to the current total of 8,114.
    Not sure how many times I'm going to repeat this point - but of those 759 how many actually died because of Covid19 and how many died with it.

    The only way to get some indication is through doctors around the world brave enough to speak up, often risking their jobs. I posted a link earlier where Dr Annie Bukacek who highlighted how flawed the numbers are.

    It's exactly the same in the UK, we're given one big number when it truth it probably is much much smaller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    I've posted multiple videos over the last few weeks, so feel free to go through my posts. If you don't want to feel free to search for empty hospital or film your hospital material online. It's interesting - one of the videos of a hospital in London that I bookmarked has now been removed. Seems like Youtube has removed a couple of the videos I've seen recently as well. So they're all in on it, taking down anything which questions the stuff they tell on media. I didn't go to an A&E, I drove past one and slowed down to take a peak.

    MIG has posted in #700

    "866 further deaths of people who have tested positive for Covid 19"

    Nothing to highlight the number who have died as a result of it.
    I'm struggling to find any recent videos linked to by yourself. I've taken a quick look on twitter at a few of the #EmptyHospitals videos. Hilariously a lot of them seem to be from Americans in areas where (at least at the time) the number of deaths in the area was tiny with a minimal amount of cases with the filmer shocked that there's not body bags lying in the corridor/flooding out the doors and people running around in mass panic. Have you considered the video you had bookmarked was possibly removed because it was either misleading or violated patients privacy? Struggling to find many videos of the UK, perhaps you have another you can link to?

    You're taking the **** about judging how busy an A&E was whilst driving past, surely? You judged how busy a department of a building, designed to maximise privacy where possible, whilst driving past (ignoring the fact they're clearly going to be quieter than usual anyway)? You're joking, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    Not sure how many times I'm going to repeat this point - but of those 759 how many actually died because of Covid19 and how many died with it.

    The only way to get some indication is through doctors around the world brave enough to speak up, often risking their jobs. I posted a link earlier where Dr Annie Bukacek who highlighted how flawed the numbers are.

    It's exactly the same in the UK, we're given one big number when it truth it probably is much much smaller.
    We don't know and it's clearly not feasible or the most pressing matter right now to be doing full autopsies on everyone that dies with coronavirus. What we do know for starters is those people tested positive for coronavirus and were in a hospital. We also know, as I've shown, a few weeks back we had a week that featured more deaths than any (at the same point of the year) has for years in this country. That was when he had less than 10% of the current deaths of people with coronavirus than we currently do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    Actually I'm not scared. I am very fed up with people like you, our goverment and mainstream media who have kicked up a huge fuss over this when it's not warranted. Because of the government, supported by many in the public like you, we are now stuck at home. We can't go anywhere or do anything because everything is locked down.

    None of you have responded to the questions I've raised about the videos showing empty hospitals all over the world and you call me a conpiracy theorists. Hundreds of videos now with different hashtags and they show the very same thing that I have seen at my local hospital - no chaos and hardly any patients in A&E. People around the world are asking if things are so bad, as they show on TV, why is it nothing like that in their videos? What is the explanation for these empty hospitals?
    You are a scared person relying on conspiracies...
    Either that or you are an extremely deranged person...

    Either away I think you need serious help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    Feel free to link us to a few of these videos to the UK.

    Also of course A&E's are going to be quieter than usual. The government have explicitly told anyone with coronavirus not to visit them and given the current situation people are going to be more reluctant to visit them for other issues unless they're urgent. Added to that there's less factors to cause a visit to A&E when most people are locked down in their homes. I'm curious, what took you to A&E if you don't mind me asking?
    Several cyclists I know are not longer training on the roads, in case they crash and require hospitalisation - taking a bed that a COVID-19 patient would otherwise need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Modelling suggests that the death rate will peak on 19 April at 2900 and start to decline.

    That means 66,000 deaths. I think this is high though - it predicts 1700 today and we are at 800 to 900.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom
    Then the modelling is wrong.

    Approximately 20K deaths looks more realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Several cyclists I know are not longer training on the roads, in case they crash and require hospitalisation - taking a bed that a COVID-19 patient would otherwise need.
    Well that's their choice - but how long will they have that policy? According to most media outlets and people in the NHS a lot of investment is required, so even if this Covid19 episode is over, it's not like the NHS will be in a good position and so how long with they do indoor cycling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    You are a scared person relying on conspiracies...
    Either that or you are an extremely deranged person...

    Either away I think you need serious help.
    Once again another post with very little to add, doesn't bother to answer any of the serious questions.

    According to you and many others - someone who believed the government/mainstream media = a sane civilian. Someone who doesn't believe everything fed = insane.

    I am happy to be "insane".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    Once again another post with very little to add, doesn't bother to answer any of the serious questions.

    According to you and many others - someone who believed the government/mainstream media = a sane civilian. Someone who doesn't believe everything fed = insane.

    I am happy to be "insane".
    There’s a difference between a) reasonable critiquing and questioning around the official line and b) relentless contrarianism and going to extremes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bones View Post
    Once again another post with very little to add, doesn't bother to answer any of the serious questions.

    According to you and many others - someone who believed the government/mainstream media = a sane civilian. Someone who doesn't believe everything fed = insane.

    I am happy to be "insane".
    Answer any of the serious questions?

    My daughter is a medic student who has seen closely what is happening in our hospitals.
    My cousin is a front line doctor and she is nursing people who are dying every hour.
    Our next door neighbours are elderly and have a young daughter who is a doctor at the Nightingale Hospital, prior to that she was at another hospital. Its she lying to us about the number of people being brought unable to breath?

    Another doctor told me that in the world something like (all approximate figures) 121,000 people have died from seasonal flu between January and April 2020. 246,000 from Malaria, 270,000 from suicide, 421,000 from HIV/Aids, 627,000 from alcohol, 2 million from cancer...

    In the same period 97,000 have died from Covid-19.. Thats 97,000 people more then usual, i.e. in any given year. Furthermore, the death rates are increasing and would already have been higher had countries not locked down.

    Finally, our neighbours across the road, three of them have the disease, with one going to have pneumonia and is currently fighting for his life.

    So you, like I said before, there is an entire thread for conspiracies so why can't you just stick to that thread if all you want to do is to disprove everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    I'm struggling to find any recent videos linked to by yourself. I've taken a quick look on twitter at a few of the #EmptyHospitals videos. Hilariously a lot of them seem to be from Americans in areas where (at least at the time) the number of deaths in the area was tiny with a minimal amount of cases with the filmer shocked that there's not body bags lying in the corridor/flooding out the doors and people running around in mass panic. Have you considered the video you had bookmarked was possibly removed because it was either misleading or violated patients privacy? Struggling to find many videos of the UK, perhaps you have another you can link to?

    You're taking the **** about judging how busy an A&E was whilst driving past, surely? You judged how busy a department of a building, designed to maximise privacy where possible, whilst driving past (ignoring the fact they're clearly going to be quieter than usual anyway)? You're joking, right?
    They are taking all sorts of videos down - I had many legitimate videos - normal people going to hospitals and asking nurses/security questions about how things were - most are down. Surprised the one I have left in my bookmarks (NYC hospital) somehow hasn't been taken down.

    If the situation is as bad as everyone is telling us - I would expect there to be lots and lots of activity. People coming and going, deliveries. How are patients getting to the hospital, how are they getting out? To tell us that the hospitals are almost overwhelmed and then see nothing of the sort - you say I'm joking?

    There are a lot of long lines these days - sadly most of them outside of the jobcentre.

    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post

    We don't know and it's clearly not feasible or the most pressing matter right now to be doing full autopsies on everyone that dies with coronavirus. What we do know for starters is those people tested positive for coronavirus and were in a hospital. We also know, as I've shown, a few weeks back we had a week that featured more deaths than any (at the same point of the year) has for years in this country. That was when he had less than 10% of the current deaths of people with coronavirus than we currently do.
    How convenient. It's unacceptable really because that is the most important question - how many has Covid19 killed and they'll never give an answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    In the same period 97,000 have died from Covid-19.. Thats 97,000 people more then usual, i.e. in any given year. Furthermore, the death rates are increasing and would already have been higher had countries not locked down.

    Finally, our neighbours across the road, three of them have the disease, with one going to have pneumonia and is currently fighting for his life.

    So you, like I said before, there is an entire thread for conspiracies so why can't you just stick to that thread if all you want to do is to disprove everything.
    The part in bold is utter nonsense and more importantly it's false. 97K have died with Covid19 - not as a result or "from it". In some cases it's just pushed some on the brink over the edge, in some cases it's been the cause. But you and everyone else need to change your wording to - xyz have died with covid19 (tested positive) - it makes a huge difference. All of a sudden the numbers are not as massive as people say.

    I don't see what is a conspiracy - you have a few examples and so do I. There is an uncle in our community who had heart issues and asthma. According to the figures - he's included as being one of the many who have died "from covid19" but in reality he was vulnerable and covid19 was not the cause but a factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Several cyclists I know are not longer training on the roads, in case they crash and require hospitalisation - taking a bed that a COVID-19 patient would otherwise need.
    Saw plenty of cyclists on the road over the last few days worryingly they were still cycling in groups as large as 7-8.

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    Matt Hancock says the number of deaths across the UK of people in hospital who tested positive for coronavirus has now reached 8,958 - a 980 increase on yesterday.

    "We never forget behind this number, behind each one is a name, a loss and a family which will never be the same again."

    He also repeats the news Boris Johnson's condition is improving, and praises the care he has got from the NHS.

    He says 19,116 tests have been carried out across Great Britain, with 5,706 testing positive.



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    Turkey sends plane full of emergency equipment to UK as death toll nears 9,000
    Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/10/turke...0/?ito=cbshare

    Embarrasing for the UK. Turkey is a great nation.


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