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    Are you (as a Muslim) comfortable using an alcohol based sanitizer on your hands?

    Shahid Afridi asking us to use alcohol based sanitizers but do you feel comfortable with that?

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    Pakistan's former cricketer Shahid Afridi on Friday urged his countrymen to take preventive measures to contain the spread of the coronavirus pandemic.

    The veteran all-rounder advised people to wash their hands frequently and to use sanitizers with alcohol content to keep them clean.

    "Health is wealth. We have to take some preventive measures to defeat coronavirus. While sneezing, coughing, and before and after having food we have to wash our hands properly. It is very important to use alcoholic sanitizer to sanitise your hands. Use tissue paper while sneezing and coughing and put it in dustbin. If you will stay safe the country will too," Afridi said in a video message posted on Pakistan Cricket's official Twitter handle.

    Pakistan on Friday reported its third death from coronavirus as a 77-year-old coronavirus patient died in Sindh, confirmed Sindh health minister Dr Azra Fazal Pechuho.

    The patient also had co-morbid conditions including diabetes and hypertension. He was a cancer survivor, Dawn reported.

    The number of coronavirus cases in the country has reached 451. The first two fatalities from the infection were reported in the northwestern province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

    Prime Minister Imran Khan has decided to form a joint parliamentary committee of treasury and opposition members to seek opposition's support in the fight against novel coronavirus.

    "Regarding the coronavirus situation and its control, the formation of a joint parliamentary committee of the government and the opposition was also agreed during the meeting," read a statement from the Prime Minister Office.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cri...850-2020-03-20
    Last edited by MenInG; 20th March 2020 at 17:56.


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    Odd question, a muslim is forbidden from ingesting alcohol, doesn't mean you can't put it to use elsewhere. Seems rather overdramatic if you have such a problem.

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    Oh god (no pun intended)!!!

    Seriously?

    What next? Letís see is Listerine mouth wash allowed in Islam ? Can anesthesia be taken for pain? Are pain killers halaal or haraam?

    I am sure in any religious text alcohol is banned because consumption effects your health and also can affect your social behavior and judgement and cause addiction. I am sure no religion is going to forbid consumption be it orally or like in case of hand sanitizer for medical benefit. If it forbids that even against your or familyís health then you should question it.

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    Alcohol and pig consumption is allowed if matter is of life and death


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    I checked with a scholar (Assim Al-Hakeem). He said that it is fine. But, you can't obviously drink alcohol.



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    I think I will just go with soap and hot water. I read that it is much more effective.

    My stores ran out of hand sanitizers anyway. So, I can't buy it even if I want to.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    I checked with a scholar (Assim Al-Hakeem). He said that it is fine. But, you can't obviously drink alcohol.
    Do you need a religious scholar to teach you common sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    Do you need a religious scholar to teach you common sense?
    Better to check with a scholar. There are some guidelines we need to follow. If it is not allowed, there are many other options. Sanitizer is not the only option.

    I actually never liked sanitizer. I prefer washing with hand wash soap.
    Last edited by sweep_shot; 20th March 2020 at 18:56.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    Better to check with a scholar. There are some guidelines we need to follow. If it is not allowed, there are many other options. Sanitizer is not the only option.
    I donít even know how to respond to that. Whatever works for you man.

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    Drinking alcohol is haram, Allah forbade that. Using alcohol as a sanitizer is allowed ofcourse.

    Furthermore, soap leaves a lot of bacteria unharmed. It's proven that sanitizer kills much more germs.

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    But sanitizer is the best one. Tbh i can't understand your logic @sweep_shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by owais1 View Post
    But sanitizer is the best one. Tbh i can't understand your logic
    I read somewhere that hot water and soap is better. Let me find the article.

    Here it is: https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...d-soap-is-dope.

    Quote Originally Posted by owais1 View Post

    Furthermore, soap leaves a lot of bacteria unharmed. It's proven that sanitizer kills much more germs.
    Coronavirus is not bacteria.
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    I am completely comfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    I read somewhere that hot water and soap is better. Let me find the article.

    Here it is: https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...d-soap-is-dope.



    Coronavirus is not bacteria.
    Ofcourse its a virus. There has been no scientific study to examine alcohol vs soap for corona specifically. However studies have been conducted for other viruses. Your article is not scientific, more an opinion. These articles are scientific:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2813169/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK513254/

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    Quote Originally Posted by owais1 View Post
    Ofcourse its a virus. There has been no scientific study to examine alcohol vs soap for corona specifically. However studies have been conducted for other viruses. Your article is not scientific, more an opinion. These articles are scientific:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2813169/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK513254/
    Thanks. I couldn't verify the accuracy of that article.

    Anyway. I have no issue with using alcohol to wash hand. It is fully allowed.



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    Coronavirus: How to wash your hands - in 20 seconds

    Quote Originally Posted by owais1 View Post
    Drinking alcohol is haram, Allah forbade that. Using alcohol as a sanitizer is allowed ofcourse.

    Furthermore, soap leaves a lot of bacteria unharmed. It's proven that sanitizer kills much more germs.
    Quote Originally Posted by owais1 View Post
    But sanitizer is the best one. Tbh i can't understand your logic @sweep_shot
    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    I read somewhere that hot water and soap is better. Let me find the article.

    Here it is: https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...d-soap-is-dope.



    Coronavirus is not bacteria.
    Quote Originally Posted by owais1 View Post
    Ofcourse its a virus. There has been no scientific study to examine alcohol vs soap for corona specifically. However studies have been conducted for other viruses. Your article is not scientific, more an opinion. These articles are scientific:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2813169/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK513254/
    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    Thanks. I couldn't verify the accuracy of that article.

    Anyway. I have no issue with using alcohol to wash hand. It is fully allowed.


    The NHS says that washing your hands is a key part of preventing the spread of viruses such as the coronavirus.

    Dr Adele McCormick from the University of Westminster demonstrates how to do this properly - which should take about 20 seconds.

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    Like there is no other problem for Muslims to face, ridiculous question. No religion stops you from using common sense. Your intention is the key, whatever act to perform.

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    consuming alcohol as a medicine not banned in Islam..


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    So many Muslims have pigs valve in their heart, there is never a controversy there.

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    I don't see why people prefer hand sanitizers. Even scientists and doctors say washing your hands with soap is better.

    I get it that you cannot always find soap and water to wash you hand so you keep a sanitizer with you. But I have seen people use hand sanitizer just because they have in their pockets and wouldn't bother going somewhere nearby to wash their soaps with hands.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Shahid Afridi asking us to use alcohol based sanitizers but do you feel comfortable with that?

    =========

    Pakistan's former cricketer Shahid Afridi on Friday urged his countrymen to take preventive measures to contain the spread of the coronavirus pandemic.

    The veteran all-rounder advised people to wash their hands frequently and to use sanitizers with alcohol content to keep them clean.

    "Health is wealth. We have to take some preventive measures to defeat coronavirus. While sneezing, coughing, and before and after having food we have to wash our hands properly. It is very important to use alcoholic sanitizer to sanitise your hands. Use tissue paper while sneezing and coughing and put it in dustbin. If you will stay safe the country will too," Afridi said in a video message posted on Pakistan Cricket's official Twitter handle.

    Pakistan on Friday reported its third death from coronavirus as a 77-year-old coronavirus patient died in Sindh, confirmed Sindh health minister Dr Azra Fazal Pechuho.

    The patient also had co-morbid conditions including diabetes and hypertension. He was a cancer survivor, Dawn reported.

    The number of coronavirus cases in the country has reached 451. The first two fatalities from the infection were reported in the northwestern province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

    Prime Minister Imran Khan has decided to form a joint parliamentary committee of treasury and opposition members to seek opposition's support in the fight against novel coronavirus.

    "Regarding the coronavirus situation and its control, the formation of a joint parliamentary committee of the government and the opposition was also agreed during the meeting," read a statement from the Prime Minister Office.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cri...850-2020-03-20
    The educated Muslims have a responsibility in this dreadful hour to share/spread/educate fellow Muslims on the need of the hour, rather than put into question certain practices that would save lives.

    We all "consume" alcohol all the time. Whether its cough medicine, certain cleaning compounds we all use in daily use, cologne, perfumes, alcohols are used in the manufacturing of certain items of daily use as well.

    The reason its forbidden is because it causes inebriation if you drink it. But if its not causing any such situation where you lose your senses it is permissible.

    I am a bit disappointed, I have to even write this lecture on a platform of modern communication where most people would be considered educated enough to know this.

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    I will bet right now that even Arabs, Iranians and Muslims from other nations will even have this question in their mind. Itís mostly the sc and UK ones who take these religious interpretations to a different level.

    This is such a tasteless and irresponsible thread in the current scenario. Mods might delete my post but it is what it is. Why put this dumb doubts in peopleís head.

    If you donít want to use it just donít but donít guilt people who are approaching this from a common sense perspective.

    As a respect to what is happening in the world right now, I want this thread to be deleted.

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    There are people who feel uncomfortable watching Pepa Pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrez Pakistani View Post
    There are people who feel uncomfortable watching Pepa Pig.
    Overzealous religiosity is as much of a threat as corona. Corona shuts off the lung, but such extremism in religion closes mind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinnegan Sasuke View Post
    Odd question, a muslim is forbidden from ingesting alcohol, doesn't mean you can't put it to use elsewhere. Seems rather overdramatic if you have such a problem.
    Why do you think there is a huge market for non-alcohol based perfumes?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Why do you think there is a huge market for non-alcohol based perfumes?
    The common stereotype about wearing strong perfumes is usually associated with middle eastern men. Most of them use branded colognes which have alcohol in them.

    Why canít you leave it to peopleís choice rather than inserting religion to every single choice especially when it is not harmful to the person or to the society or in this case more pros than cons.

    Hand sanitizer has alcohol, so? Under the given circumstances do you want people to avoid them?

    When common sense and social etiquette starts taking back seat to religion, it becomes a bigger problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    The common stereotype about wearing strong perfumes is usually associated with middle eastern men. Most of them use branded colognes which have alcohol in them.

    Why can’t you leave it to people’s choice rather than inserting religion to every single choice especially when it is not harmful to the person or to the society or in this case more pros than cons.

    Hand sanitizer has alcohol, so? Under the given circumstances do you want people to avoid them?

    When common sense and social etiquette starts taking back seat to religion, it becomes a bigger problem.
    I dont want them to do anything. I am merely gauging opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    I donít even know how to respond to that. Whatever works for you man.
    what's with the tone?

    If i tell a Hindu to eat beef which would save his/her life, would they do it?

    It's not as easy as it sounds

    so stop sounding condescending

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    I will bet right now that even Arabs, Iranians and Muslims from other nations will even have this question in their mind. It’s mostly the sc and UK ones who take these religious interpretations to a different level.

    This is such a tasteless and irresponsible thread in the current scenario. Mods might delete my post but it is what it is. Why put this dumb doubts in people’s head.

    If you don’t want to use it just don’t but don’t guilt people who are approaching this from a common sense perspective.

    As a respect to what is happening in the world right now, I want this thread to be deleted.
    Bruv.

    Are you hurt?

    Is something bothering you?

    you're sounding OTT so calm down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronaldo7 View Post
    what's with the tone?

    If i tell a Hindu to eat beef which would save his/her life, would they do it?

    It's not as easy as it sounds

    so stop sounding condescending
    No, but this is a bit of a different case. Muslims see alcohol as an intoxicant and not to be ingested.

    Hindus see cows as Holy and something not to be harmed.

    I can see a Hindu having problem with anything made of a cow byproduct, but the question itself is ridiculous for a Muslim. We're allowed to have alcohol in medicine anyway.....

    Here's something from IslamQA, probably the most extreme version of Islam which forbids many things were are Halal

    If the percentage of alcohol is very low and it does not intoxicate, then it is permissible to take it.

    It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daaíimah (22/110):

    It is not permissible to mix medicines with intoxicants, but if it is mixed with alcohol, if drinking a lot of it will cause intoxication, it is haraam to handle it and drink it, whether a small amount or a large amount. If drinking a lot of it will not cause intoxication, then it is permissible to handle it and drink it. End quote.

    Shaykh Ibn ĎUthaymeen said:
    With regard to some medicines that contain alcohol, if the effect of the alcohol in the medicine can be seen in the form of intoxication, then it is haraam, but if no effect is seen, and the alcohol is only added to it as a preservative, then there is nothing wrong with it, because the alcoholic content does not have any effect. End quote.

    Now we don't even ingest hand sanitiser, so why would it be an issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by InziRules View Post
    No, but this is a bit of a different case. Muslims see alcohol as an intoxicant and not to be ingested.

    Hindus see cows as Holy and something not to be harmed.

    I can see a Hindu having problem with anything made of a cow byproduct, but the question itself is ridiculous for a Muslim. We're allowed to have alcohol in medicine anyway.....

    Here's something from IslamQA, probably the most extreme version of Islam which forbids many things were are Halal

    If the percentage of alcohol is very low and it does not intoxicate, then it is permissible to take it.

    It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (22/110):

    It is not permissible to mix medicines with intoxicants, but if it is mixed with alcohol, if drinking a lot of it will cause intoxication, it is haraam to handle it and drink it, whether a small amount or a large amount. If drinking a lot of it will not cause intoxication, then it is permissible to handle it and drink it. End quote.

    Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:
    With regard to some medicines that contain alcohol, if the effect of the alcohol in the medicine can be seen in the form of intoxication, then it is haraam, but if no effect is seen, and the alcohol is only added to it as a preservative, then there is nothing wrong with it, because the alcoholic content does not have any effect. End quote.

    Now we don't even ingest hand sanitiser, so why would it be an issue?
    That's even worse.

    Imagine telling a dying Hindu that he can't eat beef (which could save his life) because his religion thinks cows are holy.

    Doesn't sound like a very sensible thing to me

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    I didn't even know there were doubts about using hand sanitiser or any scholar had said it's haram...

    Where did this come from?

    It's as bizarre as asking if Muslims feel comfortable handling anti freeze.
    Last edited by Halaribo; 20th March 2020 at 21:08.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronaldo7 View Post
    what's with the tone?

    If i tell a Hindu to eat beef which would save his/her life, would they do it?

    It's not as easy as it sounds

    so stop sounding condescending
    If it comes down to that and if I have to eat beef to save myself,my family and my community regardless of what religion lives in it I will do it in a heartbeat. I wonít even consult a panditji.

    We are talking about killing and eating a living thing here while on the other hand using hand sanitizer doesnít harm anyone.

    It is pretty uncomplicated. Making this complicated and a religious issue is what is making this more complex than it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Alcohol and pig consumption is allowed if matter is of life and death
    Sums up nicely.

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    I must admit, I am surprised that this sort of question still comes up. Are Muslims really so ignorant they can't differentiate on how substances are used for different purposes?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Why do you think there is a huge market for non-alcohol based perfumes?
    I've met very few people who would have such a problem. It seems rather illogical, refusing to use a substance that is forbidden to ingest for other useful means.

    Though I have had people return a toy set I gifted their kids because it had toy boars in it, so I imagine that's the same thought process.

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    Alcohol can be used but it cannot be consumed. Muslims need to understand this. There is no harm in using alcohol-based sanitisers, soaps or other hygiene products.

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    Seriously? We're not drinking the sanitizer. It should ideally be used to rub on the hands

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    So what is the basis for this? Also isnít investing in stocks kind of a gamble. Not even the experts can predict anything accurately. Isnít gambling haraam
    Anyways.

    Who is putting together this list of every financial instrument and classifying this as halaal or haraam, by relating them to scriptures, that itself is very interesting

    Anyway as I said I donít want to get into anyoneís religious beliefs or practices, to each his own but obviously when it interferes with Public safety like in the case with not using hand sanitizers because of religious caveats, that becomes a problem
    I avoid stocks as well, just because everything is so grey.

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    Non-alcohol sanitizer is available too, so no idea why it has to be sanitizer with alcohol in it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Non-alcohol sanitizer is available too, so no idea why it has to be sanitizer with alcohol in it.
    more alcohol= better sensitiser

    The alcohol breaks libid and proteins in a virus. Even if the virus goes in your body after using a sanitizer..it will be a very weak virus and limit the harm it does to you.

    With handwash you need to wash hand properly at least for half a minute to make sure the virus is gone.

    Source : My virologist brother in law

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    First we should consider why ingesting alcohol is considered as haram. Maybe-
    1. due to intoxication and the person not in right state of mind
    2. Causes self harm and harm to others
    3. Brings down productivity etc.
    Now, using it for saving a life should not be haram as some of you mentioned rightly. So I don't see any problem in using alcohol based medicines and sanitizers. Morever, alcohol are a class of compounds sharing same functional group, the one we refer is grain alcohol or ethanol and sanitizers use isopropanol. You don't need to consult someone whether you can save a life or not. Use common sense.

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    No problem.

    However I dont use it, I use anti-bacterial wipes which are better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    No problem.

    However I dont use it, I use anti-bacterial wipes which are better.
    Anti-Bacterial
    Virus

    Anyway, @sweep_shot was made fun of earlier but he is right. Handwashing with soap for 30 seconds is much more effective than using sanitiser or wipes

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    Quote Originally Posted by InziRules View Post
    Anti-Bacterial
    Virus

    Anyway, @sweep_shot was made fun of earlier but he is right. Handwashing with soap for 30 seconds is much more effective than using sanitiser or wipes
    Hot water too is essential. But dont burn your hands lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Hot water too is essential. But dont burn your hands lol
    well i just tested positive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadeemp View Post
    well i just tested positive
    Really? Damn!

    Get well soon.

    You may want to give an update here: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ronavirus-here.



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    Give religion a break please, lets not drag religion in everything .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadeemp View Post
    well i just tested positive
    May God give you health.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadeemp View Post
    well i just tested positive
    That's not good.

    May Allah give you health.

    Do let us know when you recover (which will be soon InshaALLAH)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadeemp View Post
    well i just tested positive
    Sorry to hear that. Take care and get well soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    Sorry to hear that. Take care and get well soon.
    no problem breathing. no fever. just chills and body aches from helll. the body aches are almost unbearable. gf is a doctor. so in good hands

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    I donít even know how to respond to that. Whatever works for you man.
    What I donít understand is that the title clearly states the question is for Muslims and I assume you are not one so why derail the thread with patronizing remarks?

    I mean you have the right not to agree with the beliefs and there are numerous thread for that. but why jump in this one when the title clearly suggests that the question is for Muslims only? Whatís the motivation?

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    Odd thread. Stupid thinking like this had made Muslims into a laughing stock. Using logic, alcohol is being applied to kill germs and to stop the Covid 19 virus from spreading. Muslims will not consume the alcohol.

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    I have never even thought about it until I saw this thread. Overzealous leads to ignorance and stupidity. Islam is a religion of common sense so use common sense. Protect yourself and the people around you. Umrah is postponed and Hajj may get canceled this year most likely. For the sake of people. And we are talking about ethanol in some hand sanitizes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poutine View Post
    What I donít understand is that the title clearly states the question is for Muslims and I assume you are not one so why derail the thread with patronizing remarks?

    I mean you have the right not to agree with the beliefs and there are numerous thread for that. but why jump in this one when the title clearly suggests that the question is for Muslims only? Whatís the motivation?
    Motivation is, why have a topic that puts doubts and guilt in peopleís heads when the need of the day is being proactive and taking every precaution available.

    I donít need religion to tell me that drinking alcohol is harmful but sure if you need religion as a moral
    Compass to help you with self control I am all up for that because I am pro-religion.

    However my request to the op was not to bring in such doubts which may not be in the best interest in the current situation.

    From what I have observed there are quiet a few pious young UK Muslims on here who probably didnít give it much thought but now all of a sudden they might take this to heart and protest against this sanitary practice that will only lead to more issues.

    These Young kids Who are pure at heart interpret everything from a religious perspective and may not have much understanding about current affairs and common laws.

    So there you go thatís my motivation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poutine View Post
    What I don’t understand is that the title clearly states the question is for Muslims and I assume you are not one so why derail the thread with patronizing remarks?

    I mean you have the right not to agree with the beliefs and there are numerous thread for that. but why jump in this one when the title clearly suggests that the question is for Muslims only? What’s the motivation?
    Side affects of using the Traditional Indian Hand ‘sanitizer’. Drinking it wasn’t enough...

    https://www.indiatoday.in/india/stor...246-2020-03-17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    Motivation is, why have a topic that puts doubts and guilt in people’s heads when the need of the day is being proactive and taking every precaution available.

    I don’t need religion to tell me that drinking alcohol is harmful but sure if you need religion as a moral
    Compass to help you with self control I am all up for that because I am pro-religion.

    However my request to the op was not to bring in such doubts which may not be in the best interest in the current situation.

    From what I have observed there are quiet a few pious young UK Muslims on here who probably didn’t give it much thought but now all of a sudden they might take this to heart and protest against this sanitary practice that will only lead to more issues.

    These Young kids Who are pure at heart interpret everything from a religious perspective and may not have much understanding about current affairs and common laws.

    So there you go that’s my motivation.
    Ok but I doubt that would be an issue and even if this creates doubt, people can google and nearly every Islamic site people would find on the internet will say that Hand Sanitizer with alcohol are allowed.

    Anyways I also find this thread a bit unneeded because as far as I know is pretty common knowledge that Hand Sanitizer are allowed in Islam even one with Alcohol. However your needlessly patronizing post were not needed, I doubt anyone here is so gullible that they would stop using Sanitizer because someone made a thread about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poutine View Post
    Ok but I doubt that would be an issue and even if this creates doubt, people can google and nearly every Islamic site people would find on the internet will say that Hand Sanitizer with alcohol are allowed.

    Anyways I also find this thread a bit unneeded because as far as I know is pretty common knowledge that Hand Sanitizer are allowed in Islam even one with Alcohol. However your needlessly patronizing post were not needed, I doubt anyone here is so gullible that they would stop using Sanitizer because someone made a thread about it.
    I think it will have no effect on people on this board. But i bet there will be many people in pakistan who will not use it due to someone bringing up the argument

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Alcohol and pig consumption is allowed if matter is of life and death
    In this case you are not consuming anyway so thatís a moot point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronaldo7 View Post
    That's even worse.

    Imagine telling a dying Hindu that he can't eat beef (which could save his life) because his religion thinks cows are holy.

    Doesn't sound like a very sensible thing to me
    There is no ban on beef in hinduism.

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    I'm glad we have our priorities in order....

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    The average person shouldn't be using hand sanitizer anyway. Soap and water provide the same protection when used correctly. Hand sanitizer should be saved for the medical staff who don't have the time to wash their hands all the time when checking one patient after another.

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    There is no issue in using Hand Sanitizers. I dont know one Muslim who has a problem using it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadeemp View Post
    I think it will have no effect on people on this board. But i bet there will be many people in pakistan who will not use it due to someone bringing up the argument
    Hand Sanitizers are getting sold out in Pakistan. Clearly most people don't have a problem with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadeemp View Post
    no problem breathing. no fever. just chills and body aches from helll. the body aches are almost unbearable. gf is a doctor. so in good hands
    IA you recover quickly. Which country are you in?

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    No problem using anything that works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronaldo7 View Post
    what's with the tone?

    If i tell a Hindu to eat beef which would save his/her life, would they do it?

    It's not as easy as it sounds

    so stop sounding condescending
    Have you been drinking the hand sanitizer...?

    Thereís no logic in that attempted equivalency.

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    Alcohol is Haram , it is Not napak . Touching it is not prohibited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poutine View Post
    What I donít understand is that the title clearly states the question is for Muslims and I assume you are not one so why derail the thread with patronizing remarks?

    I mean you have the right not to agree with the beliefs and there are numerous thread for that. but why jump in this one when the title clearly suggests that the question is for Muslims only? Whatís the motivation?
    He might not be a muslim but hes speaking way more sense that some of the geniuses here who are talking to their ulemas and not using what Allah gave them between their ears. Refreshing to see such an educated and self aware poster.

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    Alcohol is banned in Islam because its consumption intoxicates you and you lose control of yourself.

    Pig consumption is banned because pig eats other animals and even their own poop.

    My question to geniuses on here is how come this simple logic flew over your head that you had to consult your alimsss to ask if hand sanitziers are okay? How low is the average IQ of muslims in the west?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Alcohol is banned in Islam because its consumption intoxicates you and you lose control of yourself.

    Pig consumption is banned because pig eats other animals and even their own poop.

    My question to geniuses on here is how come this simple logic flew over your head that you had to consult your alimsss to ask if hand sanitziers are okay? How low is the average IQ of muslims in the west?
    #FirstWorldProblems

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    Anyone that thinks alcohol sanitizer is haram isnt a Muslim. Making something that is clearly halal into something haram takes you out of the fold of islam. You may aswell say breathing is haram.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight_Rider View Post
    Side affects of using the Traditional Indian Hand ‘sanitizer’. Drinking it wasn’t enough...

    https://www.indiatoday.in/india/stor...246-2020-03-17
    @Local.Dada its great that you were so concerned for Muslims and posted so much about it here. How come you haven’t shown the same concern for Hindus? Or do you think the practise mentioned in the article above isn’t dangerous for society?

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    Threads like this show that certain Muslims don't apply any critical thinking or logic behind their beliefs. They don't truly understand why they do or are required to do certain things. It is just illiterate, blind faith for some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    He might not be a muslim but hes speaking way more sense that some of the geniuses here who are talking to their ulemas and not using what Allah gave them between their ears. Refreshing to see such an educated and self aware poster.
    99% of the posters here have said that alcohol based sanitizers are allowed. Anyways even if a couple of posters were unsure and wanted further clarification there is nothing wrong with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poutine View Post
    @Local.Dada its great that you were so concerned for Muslims and posted so much about it here. How come you haven’t shown the same concern for Hindus? Or do you think the practise mentioned in the article above isn’t dangerous for society?

    Firstly cow urine has no religious significance. Sure there are few people who think there is some scientific significance which may be dumb and these are idiots not religious bigots. It is a very small subset that doesnít even deserve attention.

    So no one needs to come out and specifically give out statements for or against this.

    However this alcohol thing is made out to be a religious issue and even some folk living in western countries are debating if hand sanitizer is kosher.

    I donít need to consult a Hindu figurehead to apply or not apply cow urine.

    How do you not see the difference.

    Do you want me to start googling random articles of stupidity of people in other religions as well including Islam? Will that get us anywhere?

    I am calling out on this subject because even educated folk and some living in western countries have made this as a point to think about.

    Not everything is an attack or religion or a measuring contest between my religion vs your religion. Stop having a myopic view

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    The very fact that we have a thread about the fact that if we are comfortable using alcohol based sanitizers shows how ill informed we are. Wont be surprised if the majority of muslims would rather not use sanitizer and thereby kill their fellow muslims or neighbours.

    Common sense tells me use non alcohol based sanitizer but it not available then just use the alcohol one.

    My question though here is, if a muslim refuses to use sanitizer because it contained alcohol or if he wasnt bothered and goes to mosque, transfers his disease to others and dies in the mosque and also kills others, will this muslim be a shaheed or a murderer?

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    @Local.Dada How is not a religious issue? All groups advocating for cow urine are Religious groups not scientists. “The alcohol thing” was brought up by a random poster on an online forum. No significant Muslim groups or even scholars have ever said Alcohol based Sanitizer is not allowed. On the other hand we have major religious groups in India saying that cow urine is a good substitute for Sanitizer. You don’t see that as dangerous?

    https://www.dw.com/en/hindu-group-ho...rus/a-52773262

    I have no intention of attacking anyone religion but it confuses me that you think cow urine does not have religious association . Just read the article above. The group advocating for is called. “Hindu Bharat Mahasaba “ while the article from Indiatoday was about a Temple. Are those not religious groups ? Why are you concerned about a poster here but completely sugar coating what established religious groups in India are saying.
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