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    Sourav Ganguly in the 2003 World Cup final

    I've read his ebook and was disappointed he did not have a section on the 2003 world cup, especially when this was one of the most significant thing to happen in his career and also captaincy.

    Has anyone read his strategy for the final?

    I watched a video of him and he wanted to put the Australian batsman under pressure and be in control of the game, something like 100 runs for 5 wickets down.

    Also Ganguly took Harbhajan off where he should have bowled him out with 4 overs to go when the ball was turning. Maybe Ganguly thought Sehwag, Tendulkar, Mongia would get some turn and grab a 2 wickets and then he will bring back harbhajan to take another wicket.

    However unfortunately it just did not go Ganguly's way at all and the game was literally slipping out of his hands even after he 25th over where he still did not bring back Harbhajan.

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    We lost that game at the toss


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    Australia was too good at that time. India lost to a better team.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    Australia was too good at that time. India lost to a better team.
    just reaching the final for other TEAMS WAS GOOD ENOUGH

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    Ganguly made a poor decision after winning the toss in WC. Honestly though, it won't have made any impact. That Aussies team were simply phenomenal. We used to be a good ODI team hungry for wins and play to our potential.

    However, Ganguly had the knack of losing a lot of ICC finals. India lost plenty of tri series finals after WC final 2003 and while a lot of them were vs Australia, we lost a few tri series final vs other team as well.

    All in all, we couldn't win a champion team under Ganguly's captaincy but we did form a unit which went on to become a champion team years later under Dhoni's captaincy.

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    The game was lost because Indian pacers failed to get early wickets. I think Australia were 100 in 13 overs without loss of a wicket.


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    Australian were too good from 1999 to 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    We lost that game at the toss
    As if the result would have been any different if India won the toss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    We lost that game at the toss
    What? Any side at the time would have needed divine intervention to beat that Australia team. Forget the toss bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    We lost that game at the toss
    You lost that game when the draw was made.

    India played Australia twice that tournament and both times the gulf between the sides was insane

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    toss would make no difference I reckon. India were a strong odi team no doubt but Aussies were just better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    As if the result would have been any different if India won the toss.
    Actually Ganguly won the toss and decided to field first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    What? Any side at the time would have needed divine intervention to beat that Australia team. Forget the toss bro.
    Batting first would have given us better chance for sure


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    That Australian team was ridiculously good.

    Even in the group game, they whooped India despite bowling first.

    So, the result was a foregone conclusion before the toss and the only thing India could hope for was a miraculous "once in a lifetime" innings from Tendulkar which didn't happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    You lost that game when the draw was made.

    India played Australia twice that tournament and both times the gulf between the sides was insane
    Which draw? I didnt get that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    Batting first would have given us better chance for sure
    India batted first in the Group game at Centurion and got cleaned up for 125, which Australia chased down in a little over 22 overs.

    India (or any team for that matter) never even had a chance against Australia in 2003. Ditto for 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heisenberg111 View Post
    Actually Ganguly won the toss and decided to field first.
    He was probably fearful of a repeat of Centurion where India won the toss and batted first only to get shot out for 125.

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    in bouncy wickets like in s.a and Australia india had no chance vs australia in 2003. had they played in Asia, or maybe England then there is a 40% chance they could have won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Which draw? I didnt get that.
    The final lineup I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    India batted first in the Group game at Centurion and got cleaned up for 125, which Australia chased down in a little over 22 overs.

    India (or any team for that matter) never even had a chance against Australia in 2003. Ditto for 2007.
    South Africa were really good in 2007 and 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    South Africa were really good in 2007 and 2011.
    Being really good doesn't matter if you can't win the trophy. And in South Africa's case there were a number of teams (besides the champions) that were better than them in both tournaments like Sri Lanka (2007 & 2011), Pakistan (2011) and New Zealand (2007 & 2011).

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    SA were always among the top 3 teams except the '19 World Cup. Their best bet had to be 1999 World Cup. They failed there and allowed Aussies to take over from there.

    I think now their next best would be when a world cup is hosted by them next.

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    Winning a WC these days is meh ... winning a WC against the mighty AUS back in the days, now that was an accomplishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    India batted first in the Group game at Centurion and got cleaned up for 125, which Australia chased down in a little over 22 overs.

    India (or any team for that matter) never even had a chance against Australia in 2003. Ditto for 2007.
    That was in earlier phase where we barely beat Holland.Got all out for 250 I think vs them

    Also Gillespie was playing and was wrecker in chief.

    The final was at Joburg which was patta batting first wicket


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    Australia was a beast team back then. To beat them we needed to play at our best and hope they had a bad day. It didn't happen and we lost.

    Simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    That was in earlier phase where we barely beat Holland.Got all out for 250 I think vs them

    Also Gillespie was playing and was wrecker in chief.

    The final was at Joburg which was patta batting first wicket
    Yeah I don't think so. Even if India somehow scored 350 Australia would have chased it down in 40 overs

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Yeah I don't think so. Even if India somehow scored 350 Australia would have chased it down in 40 overs
    They weren't all that invincible.England nearly beat them earlier.They needed Bichel to bail them out .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    They weren't all that invincible.England nearly beat them earlier.They needed Bichel to bail them out .
    They were. They had a winning streak that stretched from the Group Stages of the 1999 World Cup to the 2011 World Cup. Ironically the streak began after and ended with a loss to Pakistan.

    Also, 'nearly' is meaningless in ODI cricket: a game of fine margins. South Africa have 'nearly' won 2 World Cups.

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    No way any team could have beaten Australia, only Pakistan had a decent shot but Waqar messed it up. Before the world cup he was picking up 6fer and 7fer in ODIs vs England and Australia, but in WC it was only beamer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    We lost that game at the toss
    Zaheer Khan's first over was a diasaster we never received from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashraful_Rox View Post
    No way any team could have beaten Australia, only Pakistan had a decent shot but Waqar messed it up. Before the world cup he was picking up 6fer and 7fer in ODIs vs England and Australia, but in WC it was only beamer
    Pakistan never had a chance vs india in 03 let alone ausstralia. india were easily the second best team in 2002-2003.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    They were. They had a winning streak that stretched from the Group Stages of the 1999 World Cup to the 2011 World Cup. Ironically the streak began after and ended with a loss to Pakistan.

    Also, 'nearly' is meaningless in ODI cricket: a game of fine margins. South Africa have 'nearly' won 2 World Cups.
    Which suggests SA werent a bad team. And Australia weren't invincible.They were much better in 2007 where all their wins were convincing


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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Zaheer Khan's first over was a diasaster we never received from.
    Nerves.This is where huge credit needs to go to Dhoni,who taught us to remain calm under intense pressure


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    Which suggests SA werent a bad team. And Australia weren't invincible.They were much better in 2007 where all their wins were convincing
    funnily enough india were also very strong at the time. So we're pakistam. But we both choked so bad. India even beat australia away in a odi series. VB cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    Pakistan never had a chance vs india in 03 let alone ausstralia. india were easily the second best team in 2002-2003.
    Never had a chance Had Razzaq not dropped a dolly from Tendul India would be 53-3 with three wickets lost in the space of 5 balls. Pakistan had also just beaten Australia in Australia not long before the WC.

    As for us against Australia we had them down and out at 86-4 and 146-5. Only Symonds saved them.

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    Add to my point @tyron_woodley who am I debating? The same guy who considers an average in the 20's as 'duds'. I'm sure you thought Brett Lee was a dud too.

    Stop wasting people's times. Block list welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    Which suggests SA werent a bad team. And Australia weren't invincible.They were much better in 2007 where all their wins were convincing
    In 1999 South Africa and Pakistan both had better sides than Australia. In 2003 and 2007 though they were absolutely invincible which is evident by their unbeaten runs in both tournaments. Out of literally 20 matches in those two World Cups they were threatened once by England. All of the other 19 games were basically cakewalks which they won comprehensively. In World Cup history that kind of dominance by any team is simply unparalleled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    In 1999 South Africa and Pakistan both had better sides than Australia. In 2003 and 2007 though they were absolutely invincible which is evident by their unbeaten runs in both tournaments. Out of literally 20 matches in those two World Cups they were threatened once by England. All of the other 19 games were basically cakewalks which they won comprehensively. In World Cup history that kind of dominance by any team is simply unparalleled.
    Correction, Australia played 22 matches in both the world cups not 20. They had a 34 match unbeaten streak in the world cups from 1999-2011 which is just remarkable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashraful_Rox View Post
    No way any team could have beaten Australia, only Pakistan had a decent shot but Waqar messed it up. Before the world cup he was picking up 6fer and 7fer in ODIs vs England and Australia, but in WC it was only beamer
    It was surreal to see a bowler of Waqars calibre lose it against Symonds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    Never had a chance Had Razzaq not dropped a dolly from Tendul India would be 53-3 with three wickets lost in the space of 5 balls. Pakistan had also just beaten Australia in Australia not long before the WC.

    As for us against Australia we had them down and out at 86-4 and 146-5. Only Symonds saved them.
    should have could have and would have. But you don't. So shut it. Pakistan would have lost regardless to india in 03 anyway. If tenda dint step up, someone else would have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    Add to my point @tyron_woodley who am I debating? The same guy who considers an average in the 20's as 'duds'. I'm sure you thought Brett Lee was a dud too.

    Stop wasting people's times. Block list welcome.
    who had an average of 20? amir ? rofl

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    In 1999 South Africa and Pakistan both had better sides than Australia. In 2003 and 2007 though they were absolutely invincible which is evident by their unbeaten runs in both tournaments. Out of literally 20 matches in those two World Cups they were threatened once by England. All of the other 19 games were basically cakewalks which they won comprehensively. In World Cup history that kind of dominance by any team is simply unparalleled.
    Australia were not the strongest in 1999 but neither were pakistan who still lost a game to india rofl. India were just starting to get better at that stage.

    S A were the strongest in 1999.

    in 03 australia by far were the best team. India by far the second best team. Huge gap and then other teams like s.a pakistan etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyron_woodley View Post
    Australia were not the strongest in 1999 but neither were pakistan who still lost a game to india rofl. India were just starting to get better at that stage.

    S A were the strongest in 1999.

    in 03 australia by far were the best team. India by far the second best team. Huge gap and then other teams like s.a pakistan etc.
    So? South Africa lost to Zimbabwe. Does that mean Zimbabwe had a better team than South Africa? Pakistan's '99 team had everything from good batsmen, versatile all-rounders and the best bowling attack in the tournament. Waqar was on the bench. They beat Australia in the Super Sixes and the trophy should have been decided between them and South Africa had both teams not messed up so royally.

    In 2003 there was Australia, daylight followed by more daylight and then India, followed by the other teams. The massive gulf between India and Australia was evident in both encounters between them. India never even looked like threatening them, in the group game or the final.
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