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    "I disliked people that were selfish & sat in comfort zones" : Mickey Arthur re Mohammad Hafeez

    Mickey Arthur in response to a question from Saj about the recent comments by Mohammad Hafeez in which he criticized the former Pakistan Head Coach:

    "He [Hafeez] said I had likes and dislikes. Well I liked people that trained hard and won games for Pakistan and disliked people that were selfish and sat in comfort zones"
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    What a blow!!!

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    Liked people that trained hard and won games for Pakistan? Imad Wasim was severely unfit during Mickey Arthur's tenure but he had no qualms picking him, everyone knows Sarfaraz's fitness levels during MA's tenure and Mickey Arthur also picked a few unfit players during the 2019 WC.

    Sorry but MA is full of **** and Hafeez is absolutely spot on regarding his double standards. There is a reason why MA has been fired from every team he has coaches and mark my words, the Sri Lankans are not going to be any different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Liked people that trained hard and won games for Pakistan? Imad Wasim was severely unfit during Mickey Arthur's tenure but he had no qualms picking him, everyone knows Sarfaraz's fitness levels during MA's tenure and Mickey Arthur also picked a few unfit players during the 2019 WC.

    Sorry but MA is full of **** and Hafeez is absolutely spot on regarding his double standards. There is a reason why MA has been fired from every team he has coaches and mark my words, the Sri Lankans are not going to be any different.
    Imad Wasim is an impact player. He won us the game against Afghanistan where the entire batting order folded like a pack of cards.

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    Hafeez hasn't even retired yet and he is already sounding like an ex-player.

    Trying his best to nail down a spot at a tv channel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Liked people that trained hard and won games for Pakistan? Imad Wasim was severely unfit during Mickey Arthur's tenure but he had no qualms picking him, everyone knows Sarfaraz's fitness levels during MA's tenure and Mickey Arthur also picked a few unfit players during the 2019 WC.

    Sorry but MA is full of **** and Hafeez is absolutely spot on regarding his double standards. There is a reason why MA has been fired from every team he has coaches and mark my words, the Sri Lankans are not going to be any different.
    MA is not wrong about Mohammad Hafeez either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Liked people that trained hard and won games for Pakistan? Imad Wasim was severely unfit during Mickey Arthur's tenure but he had no qualms picking him, everyone knows Sarfaraz's fitness levels during MA's tenure and Mickey Arthur also picked a few unfit players during the 2019 WC.

    Sorry but MA is full of **** and Hafeez is absolutely spot on regarding his double standards. There is a reason why MA has been fired from every team he has coaches and mark my words, the Sri Lankans are not going to be any different.
    How was he fired from the Pakistan job?

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    Hafeez's career has been a one top knock followed by 5 failures and repeat...


    Full credit to Micky Arthur for realizing Babar Azam was born to bat at 3 in all formats.

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    Hafeez captained Pakistan to one of the best wins under Mickey's coaching.
    The ODI win at the MCG on 15th January 2017.
    Anyway, I bet Mickey wished he didn't pick him in the World Cup now.

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    Hafeez played 5 Tests in the UAE vs Aus and NZ and then quit before a tour of South Africa. That was a tad selfish.

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    PCB made Sarfaraz captain so he couldn't be dropped because of his fitness. MA is spot on about hafeez who should have retired after champions trophy

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    Mickey said a few more things about Hafeez but I can't publish them



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    MA has always been full of crap


    #MPGA

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    That means - Arthur actually knew what Hafeez was doing, but he decided to keep silent to keep his job safe. Hafeez's stats and bowling action is known to all, but here Arthur used one subjective word (selfish), which he tolerated as Head Coach. As I said in past - Arthur learned his lesson from his sacking at Australia, therefore he went for the compromise route rather than confrontation.

    But, it's a bit shallow such comments for his players after leaving the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    That means - Arthur actually knew what Hafeez was doing, but he decided to keep silent to keep his job safe. Hafeez's stats and bowling action is known to all, but here Arthur used one subjective word (selfish), which he tolerated as Head Coach. As I said in past - Arthur learned his lesson from his sacking at Australia, therefore he went for the compromise route rather than confrontation.

    But, it's a bit shallow such comments for his players after leaving the job.
    I think we all know that it's not just one man who picks a squad.



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    *** is going on, everyone going for it these days

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    What a response.

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    Well said Mickey. Hafeez has been fortunate for too long. Its nice to see him put in his place.

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    Coaches can win you trophies, tournament win hangovers can occur, other teams over time can work you out, your team's performances go downhill, the coach gets sacked, you bring someone new in with new ideas to help you win silverware. That's how it goes.

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    Say what you want about Hafeez, but the guy keeps himself in tip top shape and does his best to make the most of his abilities, don't think anyone can complain about his work ethic and not keeping up with the fitness, nutrition regime.

    Mickey Arthur is way of the soul here and is unable to handle criticism. Let's not forget Hafeez played a crucial role in the 2017 CT final win, the Australia and NZ T-20 series win in UAE. Hafeez also scored 2-3 half centuries during the NZ ODI whitewash in 2018 and still got axed during the T-20 series.

    Mickey Arthur is all talk and nothing else. He just talks but his record is in front of everyone. Got fired from every team he laid his hands on and had disastrous results i.e. South Africa, Australia, Pakistan, Karachi Kings and now Sri Lanka will be no different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoomCricket View Post
    Hafeez played 5 Tests in the UAE vs Aus and NZ and then quit before a tour of South Africa. That was a tad selfish.

    What's selfish about retiring and making yourself unavailable to tour in a country you know you are not good enough to play in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum363 View Post
    How was he fired from the Pakistan job?

    He wanted to be extended till the T-20 WC at least for another 2 years. The PCB decided not to extend his contract further. That is more or less being fired because your employer no longer wants your services anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Imad Wasim is an impact player. He won us the game against Afghanistan where the entire batting order folded like a pack of cards.

    lol, so MA compromised on players who "trained hard". The criticism against MA for have double standards for his favourite players is justified as the records prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum363 View Post
    How was he fired from the Pakistan job?
    Oh he was fired alright - our horrendous form in tests led to his departure. The only thing that could have saved him was if we won the 2019 WC.

    Is that right @Mamoon ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    I think we all know that it's not just one man who picks a squad.
    Ase mat karona Saj bhai... Tell us more
    Last edited by MenInG; 7th April 2020 at 00:57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trickyone View Post
    Ase mat karona Saj bhai... Tell us more
    No sorry. I gave Mickey my word, but let's just say he was not hapoy with Hafeez the cricketer, the senior player or the person.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    No sorry. I gave Mickey my word, but let's just say he was not hapoy with Hafeez the cricketer, the senior player or the person.
    Couldn’t agree more with Mickey, but I’m curious if as coach how much say Mickey Arhurt had on selection matters and about how such mediocre senior players who settled in their ‘comfort zone’ kept getting selected despite repeated failures ? In the case of Hafeez he earned a more permanent place in the Pakistan team then arguably Hanif Mohammad, Zaheer Abbas, Majid Khan and Javed Miandad ever managed to have during their playing days - is he really that special a batsman ?

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    And there's also a reason why you aren't coaching Pakistan anymore, Mickey.



    You're one microscopic cog in his catastrophic plan, designed and directed by his red right hand.

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    Haha.

    What a loser Mickey Arthur is. Glad he's getting exposed now.

    Kept Sarfraz, Malik in the team. Played Malik over Haris Sohail at the World Cup - single-handedly knocked us out of the cup.

    Kept playing Hafeez too but now that Hafeez exposed Arthur, of course he's going to try and make a comeback!

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    What a jawaab!

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    Hafeez’ entitlement in the team is gross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    No sorry. I gave Mickey my word, but let's just say he was not hapoy with Hafeez the cricketer, the senior player or the person.
    No doubt, MA cannot tolerate players who give it back to him and don't blindly buy into his stuff. Anyone not in his good books is going to get crucified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Say what you want about Hafeez, but the guy keeps himself in tip top shape and does his best to make the most of his abilities, don't think anyone can complain about his work ethic and not keeping up with the fitness, nutrition regime.

    Mickey Arthur is way of the soul here and is unable to handle criticism. Let's not forget Hafeez played a crucial role in the 2017 CT final win, the Australia and NZ T-20 series win in UAE. Hafeez also scored 2-3 half centuries during the NZ ODI whitewash in 2018 and still got axed during the T-20 series.

    Mickey Arthur is all talk and nothing else. He just talks but his record is in front of everyone. Got fired from every team he laid his hands on and had disastrous results i.e. South Africa, Australia, Pakistan, Karachi Kings and now Sri Lanka will be no different.
    Correct.

    Mickey Arthur also picked and played Shoaib Malik over Haris Sohail at the freaking world cup!!

    That action single-handedly cost us the cup.

    And his defenders can't even come up with "but but but he didn't select him!"... well he did play him in the XI!



    Also, Imad Wasim, a prime example of his double standards. Unfit, yet given free passes and exemptions on failing the fitness tests.

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    It's a known fact about the shameless cheater. Only if we have that many chances to yasir hameed back then.

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    I am happy to say a little more than @Saj !

    Mickey Arthur took over in May 2016, and his first assignment was the Test series in England.

    His patience with Hafeez lasted precisely two Tests.

    He found a very old batsman - only Younis and Misbah were older in world cricket - who could not be bothered to work on elementary technical flaws outside Asia.

    He quickly discovered that Sami Aslam sold his wicket dearly whereas Hafeez was not just careless at the crease, he didn’t seem to care when he got out cheaply.

    Arthur had Misbah and Younis whom he realised by New Zealand (four months later) were failing as well in 80% of their away innings. But at least Misbah and Younis cared, and worked as hard as they could on their fitness and techniques.

    It was obvious to Mickey that he needed to work with Chief Selector Inzamam to complete the generational change that should have happened after the South African tour in 12-13. But he couldn’t get rid of Younis and Misbah: after Homeworkgate he knew that he had to bide his time and wait for them to retire.

    Hafeez was a much easier player to remove because of his catastrophic Test record outside Asia - the second worst in world history.

    But still, Hafeez was always the first to criticise the attitude of the younger generation, which basically meant that higher-performing players like Shadab, Hasan and even Faheem were the subjects of endless rumours of their “bad attitude.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Correct.

    Mickey Arthur also picked and played Shoaib Malik over Haris Sohail at the freaking world cup!!

    That action single-handedly cost us the cup.

    .
    How?

    Haris Sohail has reached 10 just twice in his last ten innings for Pakistan!

    The Misbah/Mickey thing is not all black or all white. On Hafeez, Mickey is clearly correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoomCricket View Post
    Hafeez captained Pakistan to one of the best wins under Mickey's coaching.
    The ODI win at the MCG on 15th January 2017.
    Anyway, I bet Mickey wished he didn't pick him in the World Cup now.
    He was dropped on 0 Also went missing for the rest of the series

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    Both individuals are average at their respective jobs.

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    Mickey Arthur is completely correct in his assessment of Hafeez. Everyone knows he only kept his place in the team due to politics and his connections. He certainly wasn't there due to effort, senior leadership or performance. Hopefully we see the end of his international career very soon.

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    No doubt Hafeez is selfish.
    Let him retire or get to retire and then u l see the real venom coming out from his mouth. He such a prude and selfish Iindividual.


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    Quote Originally Posted by unemployedgm View Post
    Both individuals are average at their respective jobs.
    This is basically it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka81 View Post
    Mickey Arthur is completely correct in his assessment of Hafeez. Everyone knows he only kept his place in the team due to politics and his connections. He certainly wasn't there due to effort, senior leadership or performance. Hopefully we see the end of his international career very soon.
    Hafeez was actually in pretty good form under Mickey Arthur. He lost his place in the side because Mickey Arthur wanted youngsters. Pity that after a disasterous Asia Cup in 2018, Mickey lost face and the PCB had no choice but to recall Hafeez again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    He wanted to be extended till the T-20 WC at least for another 2 years. The PCB decided not to extend his contract further. That is more or less being fired because your employer no longer wants your services anymore.
    He had a fixed period contract with his employer. After this contract was complete he was interested in a new contract for a further period but the PCB decided not to go ahead because Misbah was worming his way behind the scenes despite ZERO experience. So, no, that is not even close to being fired.

    Don’t twist the truth to suit your agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum363 View Post
    He had a fixed period contract with his employer. After this contract was complete he was interested in a new contract for a further period but the PCB decided not to go ahead because Misbah was worming his way behind the scenes despite ZERO experience. So, no, that is not even close to being fired.

    Don’t twist the truth to suit your agenda.
    Nope, he wanted and requested the PCB to give him an extension, he didn't get what he wanted and that is tantamount to being fired. That is just what Mickey Arthur is good for and well known for "being fired".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    lol, so MA compromised on players who "trained hard". The criticism against MA for have double standards for his favourite players is justified as the records prove it.
    Some players deserve to be in the team despite their fitness troubles because they are good players that can win us games. Imad is one. Haris is another.

    Fitness means nothing without ability

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Some players deserve to be in the team despite their fitness troubles because they are good players that can win us games. Imad is one. Haris is another.

    Fitness means nothing without ability
    So you are saying that Mickey Arthur's talk about a ruthless fitness crusade is all hogwash. What happened to this fitness means nothing without ability when it came to Umar Akmal? MA's resume speaks for itself i.e. longest losing ODI streak, being fired by every employer he has worked for including Karachi Kings.
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    Former pacer Shoaib Akhtar has slammed the ex-Pakistan head coach Mickey Arthur for questioning veteran all-rounder Mohammad Hafeez’s commitment to the national side.

    Arthur recently took a dig at Hafeez, after the all-rounder accused the former Men in Green coach of promoting favoritism and selecting players based on likes and dislikes during his tenure.

    “All I will say is that I liked players who could win games for Pakistan and were professional in all they did,” Arthur said. “I disliked players that sat in their comfort zones and felt Pakistan cricket owed them something.”

    While speaking on a local channel, Akhtar extended his support to Hafeez as he believes the all-rounder has given his all for the country and has been a loyal servant of Pakistan cricket.

    “Hafeez is absolutely right about Mickey Arthur having likes and dislikes for certain players. However, Arthur saying that Hafeez wasn’t fully committed to Pakistan is a wrong statement,” Akhtar said. “Hafeez has been playing for Pakistan for 15 years and you [Arthur] came to Pakistan for only 15 to 25 months and you have called him a traitor. What right does he have to say that Hafeez is not committed to his country? It takes a lot of hard work and struggles to play 15 years for Pakistan. How can you question those 15 years of commitment through just one statement? ”

    “Arthur wasn’t some legend or a high performance coach, he was just ok. He was a good manager. He spent two years of his coaching with Pakistan very cleverly and one year on the back of Champions Trophy win. Don’t come here and tell me that I am not committed to my country,” he added.

    Last year, wicketkeeper-batsman Kamran Akmal had also made similar allegations against Arthur.

    “Don’t know about this new team management but the previous one highly promoted favouritism. They didn’t give respect to the players who performed at the domestic level,” Kamran said.


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    Even during this pandemic the attention seeking doesnt stop.

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    Mickey creates problems everywhere he goes. He's bad with dealing with people. Remember how he blasted Riaz out in the media like that? Yet completely quiet when Malik is consistently failing. Makes poorly advised suicide comments, I mean you're the coach, what person in charge of a team does that?

    Mickey did have favourites, but that's probably out of who he thought had more potential and performance. Hafeez played more games than he should have under Mickey regardless really, so isn't a casualty. Faheem definitely springs to mind as someone who was favoured by Mickey, played far too many games. Malik another, guy repeatedly failed. I think it was the case however Mickey simply was convinced those two would eventually come good and unfortunately was wrong.

    Hafeez too talks too much. Rather he was more quiet and just focused on performing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    So you are saying that Mickey Arthur's talk about a ruthless fitness crusade is all hogwash. What happened to this fitness means nothing without ability when it came to Umar Akmal? MA's resume speaks for itself i.e. longest losing ODI streak, being fired by every employer he has worked for including Karachi Kings. **** poor coach
    Please there is no comparison between Akmal and Haris, Imad. And I don't really care what Mickey said. I'm telling you how things are and should be.

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    Only thing that makes me upset is that mickey should’ve gotten some of the talent from domestic cricket and used them at his disposal. If hafeez or any player was lazy then it was a simple case of just dropping them and trying someone new.

    Hafeez in my eyes should’ve left after the WC and retired from all formats, all he’s doing now is getting those last pay cheques and keeping someone who deserves a spot from getting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Mickey said a few more things about Hafeez but I can't publish them
    Cant believe he insulted a legend like Hafeez, who has been the symbol of mediocrity in pakistan team for last 17 years .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    No sorry. I gave Mickey my word, but let's just say he was not hapoy with Hafeez the cricketer, the senior player or the person.
    Does he read PP?

    I kinda hope not because some of these comments are downright disrespectful.

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    Glad to see Shoaib standing up for a long serving Pakistani player and putting a nothing coach who has been fired from every team he has worked with in his place

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Please there is no comparison between Akmal and Haris, Imad. And I don't really care what Mickey said. I'm telling you how things are and should be.
    Yes, what you are saying is that a coach has the right to adopt one rule for his favourites and another rule for players who don't blindly suck up to him and that he dislikes

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    Hafeez during MA tenure played in the following tours and Series

    England tour - failed in 2 test matches and a solitary odi before he was sent home due to injury

    WI tour, NZ tests, Australia tests - Missed out

    Aus ODI series - Scored 72 and 40 in two games but failed in the other 3 games (Won one game for Pakistan)

    WI T-20 series 2017 - Failed in one T-20 game and was dropped for the last 3 T-20 games

    WI ODI Series 2017 - Scored 88, 32 and 81 in the three ODI's (Won the third game for Pakistan)

    Champions Trophy 2017 - Score 33, 26, 1, 31 not out, 57 not out (Won the final for Pakistan)

    World Eleven tour 2017 - Not selected

    Sri Lanka ODI's - Scored 32, 8, 34 not out, 9

    Sri Lanka T-20's - Scored 25 not out, 14

    NZ ODI's 2018 - Scored 1, 60, 0, 81, 6

    NZ T-20's - dropped

    WI T-20's - dropped

    Scotland T-20's - dropped

    Zimbabwe ODI's - dropped

    Zimbabwe/Australia T-20 series - scored 7, 0 and was dropped for remaining games

    Asia Cup - dropped

    Australia Tests - Scored 126, 17, 4, 6

    Aus T-20's - Scored 39, 40, 32 not out

    NZ T-20's - Scored 45, 34 not out, 53 not out

    NZ ODI's - Scored 0, 27 not out, 19

    NZ Tests - Scored 20, 10, 9, 0, 8 (Retired from tests after this series)

    SA ODI's 2019 - Scored 71 not out, 9, 52, 17 (Won the first ODI for Pakistan)

    SA T-20's 2019 - dropped

    Aus ODI's - dropped

    England ODI's - Scored 59, 0

    ICC World Cup 2019 - Scored 16, 84, 46, 9, 20, 32, 19 and 27 (Won the second game for Pakistan)

    These are Hafeez's performances during MA's tenure. He has won games for Pakistan including some crucial games. MA the youngster freak always wanted to purge the team of senior players which is why many players in his good books got extended tenures inspite of not warranting it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Hafeez during MA tenure played in the following tours and Series


    Batting average of 20 in Tests, 34.9 in ODIs. The only format where he has good stats is T20Is courtesy of 1-2 useful performances toward the end of Arthur's tenure.

    Sure, he "won some matches" but are these really the stats of an experienced, good cricketer who is a major part of Pakistan's squads? Or just a bits and pieces player? Oh and with regards to his bowling, he picked up 19 wickets at an average of 55 during this period across all formats.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post


    Batting average of 20 in Tests, 34.9 in ODIs. The only format where he has good stats is T20Is courtesy of 1-2 useful performances toward the end of Arthur's tenure.

    Sure, he "won some matches" but are these really the stats of an experienced, good cricketer who is a major part of Pakistan's squads? Or just a bits and pieces player? Oh and with regards to his bowling, he picked up 19 wickets at an average of 55 during this period across all formats.
    Savak will defend this How is this output acceptable frok someone whos 40 and been playing for 17 yrs ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    Savak will defend this How is this output acceptable frok someone whos 40 and been playing for 17 yrs ?
    I am surprised Mickey Arthur didn't wake up to these realities when he continously picked Azhar Ali, Sarfaraz Ahmed in the test side.

    I don't like coaches scapegoating players and applying double standards and favouritism. There is no one in the Pakistani side who met Mickey Arthur's so called standards barring Babar Azam

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    Truth be told, Mickey Arthur barring that CT 2017 win has nothing to talk about in his tenure where he presided over the NZ, Aus whitewashes, the Asia Cup disaster, the NZ defeat in our home conditions, whitewash in SA and not to forget his disastrous tenure at Karachi King's

    And lol this guy felt he was entitled to an extension. Glad the PCB who were struggling for high profile candidates showed him his worth and sent him packing and chose to replace him with Misbah of all people.

    You have to be extremely **** poor to lose out to Misbah and the Sri Lankans will find out the hard way as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    I am surprised Mickey Arthur didn't wake up to these realities when he continously picked Azhar Ali, Sarfaraz Ahmed in the test side.

    I don't like coaches scapegoating players and applying double standards and favouritism. There is no one in the Pakistani side who met Mickey Arthur's so called standards barring Babar Azam
    Sure, Babar is far ahead of the rest.

    But Hafeez's output was also far inferior to many batsmen.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Sure, Babar is far ahead of the rest.

    But Hafeez's output was also far inferior to many batsmen.

    One hundred in 63 games You wouldnt think thats his stats the way he talks about other players and the way he refuses to retire when its obvious to everyman and his dog he is and always been a relatively poor performer when it matters most

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    So you are saying that Mickey Arthur's talk about a ruthless fitness crusade is all hogwash. What happened to this fitness means nothing without ability when it came to Umar Akmal? MA's resume speaks for itself i.e. longest losing ODI streak, being fired by every employer he has worked for including Karachi Kings.

    I think people easily forget this.

    There's a reason why Mickey Arthur has got FIRED from all his major coaching stints.

    He ran every team into the ground.

    And his insistence on playing Shoaib Malik, Sarfraz, Hafeez too (but now he doesn't like Hafeez being bold) shows his true double standards and no capacity to coach.

    It's one thing if he had taken an actual stand and some action during his mediocre stint.

    But he kept playing Shoaib Malik, Faheem, Sarfraz, etc.

    Played Malik ahead of Haris at the World Cup. He had his favorites and Hafeez rightly pointed that out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    I think people easily forget this.

    There's a reason why Mickey Arthur has got FIRED from all his major coaching stints.

    He ran every team into the ground.

    And his insistence on playing Shoaib Malik, Sarfraz, Hafeez too (but now he doesn't like Hafeez being bold) shows his true double standards and no capacity to coach.

    It's one thing if he had taken an actual stand and some action during his mediocre stint.

    But he kept playing Shoaib Malik, Faheem, Sarfraz, etc.

    Played Malik ahead of Haris at the World Cup. He had his favorites and Hafeez rightly pointed that out.
    There is no doubt about Mickey Arthur having favorites players like Imad Wasim, Shadab Khan, Raheem Ashraf benefited massively from being in his good books. Even Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Sarfaraz benefited massively inspite of their ordinary test returns.

    Sohail Khan, Junaid Khan got dropped very easily while a few other average players got extended runs. Besides like I have mentioned many times Mickey Arthur is all talk and nothing else, he never delivers which explains why he has eventually been sacked by every employer he has worked for and Sri Lanka will not be any different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Yes, what you are saying is that a coach has the right to adopt one rule for his favourites and another rule for players who don't blindly suck up to him and that he dislikes
    No. He has the right to adopt one rule for players he thinks can win games for Pakistan and another rule for players who have a horrendous attitude, don't care about the game or representing their country and haven't won us a game in six years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    There is no doubt about Mickey Arthur having favorites players like Imad Wasim, Shadab Khan, Raheem Ashraf benefited massively from being in his good books. Even Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Sarfaraz benefited massively inspite of their ordinary test returns.

    Sohail Khan, Junaid Khan got dropped very easily while a few other average players got extended runs. Besides like I have mentioned many times Mickey Arthur is all talk and nothing else, he never delivers which explains why he has eventually been sacked by every employer he has worked for and Sri Lanka will not be any different.
    Actually Sohail Khan got dropped because he's a terrible bowler. He doesn't even have the capacity to bowl a third spell and starts going off the rails in his second spell. Go look at his stats from Australia. He was taken to the cleaners.

    Junaid Khan has spent most of the last 6 years being injured. His bowling no longer has the same verve he had when he burst onto the scene, his pace has gone down significantly. And he bowled terribly in the last game he played going for 85 runs and losing us the match in the last over.

    So there is a very good reason why both of them are no longer in the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    No. He has the right to adopt one rule for players he thinks can win games for Pakistan and another rule for players who have a horrendous attitude, don't care about the game or representing their country and haven't won us a game in six years.
    Then Mickey Arthur should have made this policy public and transparent and should not be giving blanket statements there will be no compromise on fitness and then taking injured, unfit, overweight players on tour during the ODI WC. When you talk a good game and your actions, decisions reflect something else, no one takes you seriously and you get sacked/fired which is all Mickey Arthur is good for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Then Mickey Arthur should have made this policy public and transparent and should not be giving blanket statements there will be no compromise on fitness and then taking injured, unfit, overweight players on tour during the ODI WC. When you talk a good game and your actions, decisions reflect something else, no one takes you seriously and you get sacked/fired which is all Mickey Arthur is good for.
    Not really. Nobody has the time to tell everyone everything. His job was to coach the Pakistan team, not manage their PR. And if the board didn't have a problem with the way he coached for the better part of 3 years then that's all that matters. Because at the end of the day it was the board who he answered to.

    You are also conveniently forgetting that he did improve the fitness levels of players by in large, in a way that hadn't been done before and he got alot of credit for that. So please stop seeing things in black and white
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    No. He has the right to adopt one rule for players he thinks can win games for Pakistan and another rule for players who have a horrendous attitude, don't care about the game or representing their country and haven't won us a game in six years.
    Then Mickey Arthur should have made this policy public and transparent and should not be giving blanket statements there will be no compromise on fitness and then taking injured, unfit, overweight players on tour during the ODI WC. When you talk a good game and your actions, decisions reflect something else, no one takes you seriously and you get sacked/fired which is all Mickey Arthur is good for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Not really. Nobody has the time to tell everyone everything. His job was to coach the Pakistan team, not manage their PR. And if the board didn't have a problem with the way he coached for the better part of 3 years then that's all that matters. Because at the end of the day it was the board who he answered to.

    You are also conveniently forgetting that he did improve the fitness levels of players by in large, in a way that hadn't been done before and he got alot of credit for that. So please stop seeing things in black and white
    Well they did have a problem with his coaching, the results spoke for themselves a 4-1 defeat to England, whitewash to NZ, whitewash to Australia, 4-1 loss to Australia, Whitewash to NZ, Asia Cup disaster 2018, Losing to NZ at home, whitewash to SA. Based on his horrendous results he was fired.

    And please don't get me started on the fitness of the players, everyone knows Sarfaraz's fitness, Imad Wasim's fitness, Haris Sohail's fitness, Pakistan visually appeared the most unfit team of the 2019 WC. Mickey Arthur did squat, he just talks but does nothing. The fitness levels of our players were no better than under Waqar in 2016. Good riddance the PCB got rid of a guy who was all talk but nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Well they did have a problem with his coaching, the results spoke for themselves a 4-1 defeat to England, whitewash to NZ, whitewash to Australia, 4-1 loss to Australia, Whitewash to NZ, Asia Cup disaster 2018, Losing to NZ at home, whitewash to SA. Based on his horrendous results he was fired.

    And please don't get me started on the fitness of the players, everyone knows Sarfaraz's fitness, Imad Wasim's fitness, Haris Sohail's fitness, Pakistan visually appeared the most unfit team of the 2019 WC. Mickey Arthur did squat, he just talks but does nothing. The fitness levels of our players were no better than under Waqar in 2016. Good riddance the PCB got rid of a guy who was all talk but nothing else.
    I take it you don't follow the news much? He was fired because of the World Cup performance. Everybody knows this.

    That's 3 players out of over 30 who are part of the set-up. Also it's basically your biased opinion against everyone else's. That of commentators, observers, analysts and even posters on this board who visibly saw a massive change in Pakistan's fitness standards after 2017. Even the fielding got really amazing in-between there. So just because you believe something doesn't exactly make it true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    I take it you don't follow the news much? He was fired because of the World Cup performance. Everybody knows this.

    That's 3 players out of over 30 who are part of the set-up. Also it's basically your biased opinion against everyone else's. That of commentators, observers, analysts and even posters on this board who visibly saw a massive change in Pakistan's fitness standards after 2017. Even the fielding got really amazing in-between there. So just because you believe something doesn't exactly make it true.
    Lol nope, he was fired for his overall results in his 3 year tenure including the World Cup.

    As for visible improvements in players fitness and nutrition levels since 2017, I suggest you look at this thread below which is during Mickey's final assignment with the Pakistan team i.e. the 2019 ODI WC

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ts-and-smoking

    And as far as fielding is concerned, Mickey Arthur blamed the decline in the national team's fielding on the absence of Steve Rixon so Steve Rixon is the one who deserves credit for the improvement in the team's fielding standards from 2016 to 2018 because when he left the fielding went for a toss which proves Mickey Arthur had nothing to do with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Lol nope, he was fired for his overall results in his 3 year tenure including the World Cup.

    As for visible improvements in players fitness and nutrition levels since 2017, I suggest you look at this thread below which is during Mickey's final assignment with the Pakistan team i.e. the 2019 ODI WC

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ts-and-smoking

    And as far as fielding is concerned, Mickey Arthur blamed the decline in the national team's fielding on the absence of Steve Rixon so Steve Rixon is the one who deserves credit for the improvement in the team's fielding standards from 2016 to 2018 because when he left the fielding went for a toss which proves Mickey Arthur had nothing to do with it
    You're wrong. Because no coach is ever really fired for their entire tenure. It is always due to a decline in form, a disappointing performance in a high-profile series/international tournament or other behind-the-scenes tensions.

    And I don't need to read a thread of opinions to verify what I actually saw on TV. Which was Pakistani players looking fit, being live-wire in the field, taking some very good catches. The quality of fielding declined drastically near the World Cup but it was amazing in-between, as I already mentioned. It was attributable primarily to Rixon, but don't forget it was Mickey who brought him in having already worked with Rixon during his coaching stints with Western Australia and Australia. Without Mickey, Rixon wouldn't have been Pakistan's fielding coach.

    Not to forget, it was Mickey who instituted a no nonsense fitness regime in the dressing room and pushed the players unlike they had ever been pushed in training. All of which contributed to an overall change of attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    You're wrong. Because no coach is ever really fired for their entire tenure. It is always due to a decline in form, a disappointing performance in a high-profile series/international tournament or other behind-the-scenes tensions.

    And I don't need to read a thread of opinions to verify what I actually saw on TV. Which was Pakistani players looking fit, being live-wire in the field, taking some very good catches. The quality of fielding declined drastically near the World Cup but it was amazing in-between, as I already mentioned. It was attributable primarily to Rixon, but don't forget it was Mickey who brought him in having already worked with Rixon during his coaching stints with Western Australia and Australia. Without Mickey, Rixon wouldn't have been Pakistan's fielding coach.

    Not to forget, it was Mickey who instituted a no nonsense fitness regime in the dressing room and pushed the players unlike they had ever been pushed in training. All of which contributed to an overall change of attitude.
    Mickey Arthur requested an extension upto the T-20 WC, PCB denied the request, that is tantamount to being fired "sorry your services are no longer needed". Mickey's tenure was always filled with failures which is why his extension request had no legs to stand on.

    Ofcourse you are going to ignore the thread because it exposes your claims that the Pakistani players were looking fit and hay wire in his tenure especially the ODI World Cup 2019, what happened to this no-nonsense fitness regime when it came to Sarfaraz, Imad Wasim. Whats the point of crediting Mickey if the fielding suffered when Steve Rixon left when it clearly shows the fielding had nothing to do with Mickey Arthur and everything to do with Steve Rixon in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Mickey Arthur requested an extension upto the T-20 WC, PCB denied the request, that is tantamount to being fired "sorry your services are no longer needed". Mickey's tenure was always filled with failures which is why his extension request had no legs to stand on.

    Ofcourse you are going to ignore the thread because it exposes your claims that the Pakistani players were looking fit and hay wire in his tenure especially the ODI World Cup 2019, what happened to this no-nonsense fitness regime when it came to Sarfaraz, Imad Wasim. Whats the point of crediting Mickey if the fielding suffered when Steve Rixon left when it clearly shows the fielding had nothing to do with Mickey Arthur and everything to do with Steve Rixon in the first place.
    Yes. Because the PCB were disappointed with how the World Cup went and how differently it could have gone. But if you really think anyone remembers a meaningless ODI series from three years ago, or an equally meaningless one from before the World Cup; where all the main players were rested then you are living in the wrong era.

    I don't think it does. Because I follow international cricket very closely and am smart enough to know what I see on-screen. I am also smart enough to tell the difference between people who express biased opinions as facts and people who are actually credible sources for information. Whether its because of their past and present involvement with the game, or their objective analysis in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Mickey Arthur requested an extension upto the T-20 WC, PCB denied the request, that is tantamount to being fired "sorry your services are no longer needed". Mickey's tenure was always filled with failures which is why his extension request had no legs to stand on.

    Ofcourse you are going to ignore the thread because it exposes your claims that the Pakistani players were looking fit and hay wire in his tenure especially the ODI World Cup 2019, what happened to this no-nonsense fitness regime when it came to Sarfaraz, Imad Wasim. Whats the point of crediting Mickey if the fielding suffered when Steve Rixon left when it clearly shows the fielding had nothing to do with Mickey Arthur and everything to do with Steve Rixon in the first place.
    You’re like a broken record.

    Refusal to extend a contract is NOT the same as being fired! Have you ever had a real job? It’s so blatantly not the same. If the PCB wanted to fire him, they would have done it. Not waited until his contract finished.

    Also - the main reason it wasn’t extended was because of King Misbah on the committee who wanted the job himself. If there’s someone making a decision who stands to profit from your non-extension to the tune of hundreds of thousands of pounds a year, of course you have no chance.

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    Only thing that makes me upset is that mickey should’ve gotten some of the talent from domestic cricket and used them at his disposal. If hafeez or any player was lazy then it was a simple case of just dropping them and trying someone new.

    Hafeez in my eyes should’ve left after the WC and retired from all formats, all he’s doing now is getting those last pay cheques and keeping someone who deserves a spot from getting it.
    That's what the selection committee was for
    Arthur only really had Haris sohail picked from domestics and he was out with injury
    The likes of amad, usama, and akif have recently shown theyre not at the calibre needed at the highest level so can't really blame Arthur for lack of talent

    If Dean Jones had said this about hafeiz we would all be applauding him
    Hafez exemplifies mediocrity and shouldn't be in any squad on any tour


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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    That's what the selection committee was for
    Arthur only really had Haris sohail picked from domestics and he was out with injury
    The likes of amad, usama, and akif have recently shown theyre not at the calibre needed at the highest level so can't really blame Arthur for lack of talent

    If Dean Jones had said this about hafeiz we would all be applauding him
    Hafez exemplifies mediocrity and shouldn't be in any squad on any tour
    Yea Harris Sohail was fast tracked after injury which was again an injustice to the boys in domestic that work hard. Why should he get a shot over others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    I think people easily forget this.

    There's a reason why Mickey Arthur has got FIRED from all his major coaching stints.

    He ran every team into the ground.

    And his insistence on playing Shoaib Malik, Sarfraz, Hafeez too (but now he doesn't like Hafeez being bold) shows his true double standards and no capacity to coach.

    It's one thing if he had taken an actual stand and some action during his mediocre stint.

    But he kept playing Shoaib Malik, Faheem, Sarfraz, etc.

    Played Malik ahead of Haris at the World Cup. He had his favorites and Hafeez rightly pointed that out.
    Mickey did not get fired from South Africa, he left because of selection policy. He left behind a team ranked in the top 3 in Tests and ODIs, and oversaw the development of ATGs like de Villiers and Steyn.

    Yes Mickey's man management cost him the Australia job. But he was not fired from the Pakistan role - his contract was allowed to expire DESPITE being promised an extension. It was your man Misbah who, in an appalling conflict of interest, was allowed to sit on the Cricket Committee and decide Mickey's fate knowing well he'd be his successor.

    As for Hafeez and Malik, last time I checked Misbah is keeping them around. What happened to the youth revolution you were promising under Misbah ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaibbtt View Post
    Yea Harris Sohail was fast tracked after injury which was again an injustice to the boys in domestic that work hard. Why should he get a shot over others?
    He was first in line before he got injured
    The others you can say Alam and Saud have been constantly overlooked

    Same with sadaf and mir although they haven't been great shakes in county cricket


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