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    "I expected to continue as Pakistan Head Coach as that had been communicated to me" : Mickey Arthur

    Mickey Arthur took on the role of Pakistan Head Coach in May 2016 and proceeded to take his side to a drawn Test series against England, and subsequently saw his side become the top-ranked Test and T20I side. The undoubted highlight of his tenure came in 2017 when against all odds, his side became the winners of the Champions Trophy after defeating India in the final.

    In a recent interview I did with him for Wisden, Arthur who is currently Head Coach of Sri Lanka, spoke about the highs and lows of his tenure with Pakistan, the pressure on Misbah-ul-Haq as he juggles the roles of Head Coach and Chief Selector for Pakistan, why itís too late for Umar Akmal to establish himself in international cricket, Babar Azam's ability to handle the pressure of being T20I captain and Pakistanís leading batsman and also the impression that Pakistan's 2019 World Cup was a failure.





    PakPassion.net: What will be the memories of your role as Pakistan Head Coach?

    Mickey Arthur:
    Itís difficult to describe the whole experience but suffice to say that working and living in Pakistan brought about a whole myriad of emotions. I loved every minute of coaching Pakistan, from the minute I set foot in Pakistan to the minute it all ended. I really enjoyed each and every moment of my time there. I loved the players and the way they embraced what I wanted and asked them to do and I thought that they became a lot more professional during my tenure. I really admired what the culture stood for in Pakistan and then there were the fans and the people who I will never forget.

    I still get stopped in the streets by Pakistan fans who thank me for my time. In fact, I can go anywhere in the world and there will always be a Pakistan fan who will stop and greet me and thank me. The people are wonderful and even though we couldnít play any cricket in Pakistan during my time as coach, the support we got everywhere was just truly unbelievable. My overriding memory and one that encapsulates the sort of support Pakistan has was when we beat New Zealand at Edgbaston in the 2019 World Cup. The memories of those moments with a sea of green and the flags and the sheer emotions, all those memories will stay with me forever.


    PakPassion.net: How disappointed were you to have not been retained as Pakistan Head Coach?

    Mickey Arthur:
    I was very disappointed as I expected to continue in the role as that had been communicated to me. So, I thought that was going to happen but unfortunately, it didnít. But all good things come to an end, and Pakistan was a really good thing for me. And when one door closes, another door opens. This is what happened, I went back to Perth and set up a business which is doing well. And then Sri Lanka came calling and I am absolutely loving my time here in Colombo coaching the Sri Lankan team. Itís such an uncanny thing to note how similar it is to my time in Pakistan and I am really enjoying it.




    PakPassion.net: Chief Selector, Head Coach of Pakistan and Head Coach of a PSL side, thatís a lot of responsibility for Misbah-ul-Haq isnít it?

    Mickey Arthur:
    It is a lot of responsibility. Although in my time with Pakistan I didnít have all those roles, but I did sit alongside Inzamam-ul-Haq and the selection panel and we had an unbelievable relationship. Having experienced the whole sequence and process of interacting with players and the selectors, I can say that itís a hell of a lot of work. I donít think people realise the magnitude of the whole job until you are in it. Your communication skills are tested to the hilt and thatís one thing you have to stay on top of, and you have to keep all the stakeholders informed all the time. So, for Misbah, communication is going to be the key to make it all work, but I am pretty sure he has it all under control.


    PakPassion.net: Do you think Misbah-ul-Haq has the skills and capabilities to be successful in all three aforementioned roles?

    Mickey Arthur:
    It is a lot to ask of any person but Misbah knows Pakistan cricket and he is well respected and to top it all, he is a very intelligent man. If there is anyone who could make it work in such a role, I feel that person would be Misbah-ul-Haq.


    PakPassion.net: What were the best and toughest aspects of being Pakistan Head Coach?

    Mickey Arthur:
    I loved the cricket side of my role. I loved putting the team together and the day-to-day interaction with the players. It was a pleasure watching how the players bought into what we were trying to do and how they got better and better at it. But the toughest part of the role and the one that wore me down the most was dealing with the Pakistani media. The constant putting out fires and dealing with the untruths that were reported and the stretching of the stories to suit peopleís agendas was very tiring. With every untruth that gets reported, comes a whole sequence of events as the person who is the subject of this misinformation starts believing it and you need to pacify him and then start all over again to build trust and relationships. I found that the hardest aspect was the continual perseverance and intrusion of the media.


    PakPassion.net: Television pictures painted a 1000 words whenever you were on screen. How stressful a role is being a Head Coach of a national cricket team?

    Mickey Arthur:
    My actions as captured by TV cameras exactly summed up what was going through my head. There were times when I was jumping out of the seat with happiness. And there were times when I was throwing my cap to the ground because I just couldnít believe that we had committed an error like that. One thing about me for all to see is that I wear my heart on my sleeve, so those emotions erupt instinctively. There is nothing fake, and it happens because I am so involved and passionate about every match. I just want all my teams to do so well so badly that those emotions just come out.




    PakPassion.net: Did you get the feeling that some of the younger Pakistani players think they are better than what they actually are?

    Mickey Arthur:
    I did not get that feeling from our younger players. I would like to think that myself and the support staff with the ideas, game plans and structures that we wanted for Pakistan cricket changed that way of thinking in the younger players. The younger guys and Sarfaraz Ahmed and Azhar Ali were all unbelievable human beings who never ever took playing for Pakistan for granted. They worked incredibly hard as thatís what the environment demanded, and they gave 100% every time they came for training. Every time they were in the dressing room they brought in positivity and energy and I never ever had any problem with any of the younger players. In fact, I admired their will to want to get better.


    PakPassion.net: When you took on the role of Pakistan Head Coach, what did you uncover?

    Mickey Arthur:
    I was dismayed when I came into the role to see what the general work ethic was like but I can honestly say that at the end of it, the work ethic of these young players was second to none and as good as any other international team in the world at the moment. Yes, fitness was one thing that you still need to drive and keep driving hard and I am glad Misbah-ul-Haq is doing that because thatís the one area that you need to keep on pushing. But when we talk about the skills of Pakistani cricketers, I can say without a doubt that they work and work hard on their skills all the time.




    PakPassion.net: Umar Akmal has been a thorn in the side of many coaches. What are your thoughts on him?

    Mickey Arthur:
    Itís definitely too late for him now. Itís sad because he is a likable enough bloke but what he needed was a real firm hand at the start of his career to guide him properly. I donít think he got the right messages earlier in his career because if he had, he wouldnít have gone down the route he has chosen to. He was frustrating to work with. He has all the talent in the world but has wasted it and unfortunately, he will now go down in history as one Pakistan player who has underachieved.


    PakPassion.net: Any other players who you felt underachieved during your tenure as Head Coach of Pakistan?

    Mickey Arthur:
    Iíd like to think that we pushed the guys to almost become the best that they could be. I had one notable spat with Wahab Riaz, and we spoke openly about it as well. I felt that Wahab had so much ability and potential and at the point, we left him out of the side, he just wasnít fulfilling his potential. I was really tough on him, but I was tough on him, for good reasons. That was because I cared, and I wanted him to be the best he could be. When Wahab did come back into the team, he came back fitter, stronger and faster and with a new focus. I just hope that he learnt that lesson and still has a lot in the tank because Wahab was the one who had unbelievable ability and should have been doing much more with that ability at the time I left him out.




    PakPassion.net: What were the best moments of your time with the Pakistan side?

    Mickey Arthur:
    The high points for me were every time we ticked off a goal we had set for ourselves. If I think of a specific example and a Test series that was amazing, then that would be the away series against the West Indies where Yasir Shah bowled Shannon Gabriel to help Pakistan win the final Test match. This win also meant that this was Pakistanís first Test series win in the West Indies, and it was also the series when Misbah-ul-Haq and Younis Khan retired. Thatís a Test match that will always remain in my memory as it was special because we went into the third and final Test with the series tied at 1-1 and won the series in that dramatic manner.

    And then getting to the number 1 position in the ICC Test team rankings was a big achievement but, I cannot take a huge amount of credit for that as I came at the very back-end of that and Misbah-ul-Haq and Waqar Younis were the ones who should take credit for getting the Test team to where they got to at that time. But then the development of our One-Day side where we started off at number 8 in the rankings and only just qualified for the Champions Trophy and to see that team regenerate and get better and better, was special. I really enjoyed that and then, of course, winning the Champions Trophy was the pinnacle of it all.


    PakPassion.net: Becoming the number one-ranked T20 team must also rank very highly too?

    Mickey Arthur:
    Absolutely and I take a lot of pride in us going unbeaten in 11 series, as when we started, we were down at number 9 in that list. Seeing that progression and the challenge of changing the game plans to match what we wanted and to suit our style of play was amazing. When we started off on this journey, we didnít have the finishers, we didnít have a power-hitter but we did it our way. We scrapped our way and we knew if we got to 150 or more, we had a bowling attack that could bowl sides out and thatís how we wanted to play which was to attack and look for wickets. In the process, to see the development of our young players such as Babar Azam, get better and better was very rewarding.


    PakPassion.net: What were your lowest moments with the Pakistan team?

    Mickey Arthur:
    There were a lot of tough times as well and the one that stands out the most happened when we lost Misbah-ul-Haq and Younis Khan and had to regenerate the Test team which was hard work. After that point, our Test form waned and that was disappointing. With the One-Dayers, one thing that disappointed me a lot and rankled with me was that people actually said that we had a poor World Cup in 2019 which is simply not true.

    Obviously, the goal of the World Cup is to win the tournament which we didnít, but people tend to look past the fact that we finished it in a hard-fought manner and won five games and beat England and New Zealand in the round-robin phase. Of course, the games against India and West Indies were disasters and I sometimes think we had our World Cup campaign tarnished by just those two games. I feel that we finished the World Cup very strongly and as a team that had built momentum and had we got to the semi-final, who knows what would have happened.




    PakPassion.net: How frustrating was it to not qualify for the semi-finals of the World Cup, and what did you make of MS Dhoniís innings in the match against England?

    Mickey Arthur:
    To me it was disappointing and damn frustrating, to say the least. I know our chances of making it to the semi-finals were out of our hands which was our own fault, but we had potentially two bites at the cherry and would have qualified for the semi-finals had New Zealand beaten England in Durham, and had India beaten England at Edgbaston. But, we only have ourselves to blame because losing so badly in our first game where we played poorly against the West Indies, meant that we could never compete on the basis of net run rate against any other side in the tournament.

    So, I knew projecting forward that to make it to the semi-finals, we would have to be in the top 4 on our own accord without having to go to the net run rate equation. Initially, when I looked at our first 5 games, we had the game against the West Indies which in my mind when I was planning was a game, we would have won had we played well. We then had the game against England, and I knew that despite us losing badly in the preceding ODI series to England, we had competed well against them so that would be a tough win for us. And then on to Sri Lanka where I thought we had a good chance to get points and progress further in the tournament. But then we hit Australia, followed by India and that made for a tough first 5 games.

    I would have taken in terms of my planning, and this isnít a defeatist attitude or anything like that, three wins from those first 5 games. So, this meant beating West Indies, Sri Lanka and one win against one of Australia, England or India. Because then we knew we could beat South Africa if we played well, and the same applied to New Zealand and Bangladesh and of course we had to beat Afghanistan too. What we needed were 2 wins at the minimum out of the first 5 games but what we got was one win and one game that was rained-off which ultimately scuppered us. Whilst it was tough for us, I felt that our momentum got better and better as the tournament progressed. Our players got more and more confident in their game and were going exceptionally well by the end of the tournament.




    PakPassion.net: Did you try and talk Misbah-ul-Haq and Younis Khan out of retiring at the time they did?

    Mickey Arthur:
    I really donít think there is anything I could have done to prevent them from retiring. And to be brutally honest, instead of looking at it that way, we should perhaps celebrate their careers. It was the right time for both of them to leave as I did feel that there was a lot of new young talent that needed to play in their place. But of course, in order to do that, we would have to go through a period that was going to be tough for us in terms of finding replacements for these two batsmen. All in all, it was the right time for them to go and we celebrated their careers beautifully. Both were legends and will always hold that place in the game. Younis Khan with over 10,000 runs to his name was quite the professional as well and to see both Misbah and him go together was tough for us.

    However, what that meant was that we had the opportunity to back Babar Azam, and for guys like Asad Shafiq, Azhar Ali to stand-up and be counted, and for Haris Sohail who I feel has phenomenal talent, to come into the team. I feel that Haris needs to get himself into the peak of his ability in terms of fitness but his skills are amazing. It was important that once Misbah-ul-Haq and Younis Khan departed from the scene, these young players were given a chance to play and establish themselves for the sake of Pakistan cricketís future.




    PakPassion.net: Heís Pakistanís leading batsman and now the T20I captain, do you feel that there is too much pressure on Babar Azam?

    Mickey Arthur:
    I feel that pressure is a little overrated when it comes to international cricket. Babar Azamís shown that he is a premier batsman in all forms of the game. I believe he is in the top 5 batsmen in all forms of the game and he will be there for however long he wants to be. We saw talent and potential in him in his early days and I know that we used to get so much flak for playing Babar in Test matches where people would say that he isnít ready. But that was my one non-negotiable condition that Babar Azam had to play every game for Pakistan.

    This was because I could see how good this guy was and I knew that if we invested in him, he would reward Pakistan cricketís faith in him down the line which, I am glad to say, is coming to fruition now. I feel that he needed that game time to develop, particularly in red-ball cricket. This is because white-ball cricket is a relatively easier game to play but itís Test cricket where your skills are tested on tough wickets. We needed him to go through those trials and tribulations early in his career to allow him to get to where he is now. But I do think Babar can handle everything as he is a strong character. I have seen him go from a boy to a man during my three years Ė and Babar Azam today can handle all these pressures, I am pretty sure of that.


    PakPassion.net: How is your current assignment as Sri Lankaís Head Coach going?

    Mickey Arthur:
    There is incredible potential in this Sri Lanka side. I am loving the job and I am passionate about this team. To me, Sri Lanka today are where Pakistan were when I started with them. This is a whole new project for me, and this is something I love to do which is to build teams. This is a side that we need to build in all formats as they find themselves in pretty much the same place I found Pakistan which was right down the bottom of the rankings ladder. But I can say that this is a team which is hungry for success. They are a wonderful bunch of guys and they have the potential to be very good. What they need is good strong leadership and direction and they can be very good.


    PakPassion.net: Will we ever see you wearing the green of Pakistan again?

    Mickey Arthur:
    As they say, never say never! That is one thing I found about Pakistan during my time there.



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    In my mind, there has never been any doubt about Mickey's motives to take Pakistan to the top - whether he got all the support he needed for that from the selectors is another thing.

    This interview is proof positive that we lost badly due to his removal. More should have been done to keep him on, including changes to the selectors etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    In my mind, there has never been any doubt about Mickey's motives to take Pakistan to the top - whether he got all the support he needed for that from the selectors is another thing.

    This interview is proof positive that we lost badly due to his removal. More should have been done to keep him on, including changes to the selectors etc.
    He is a casualty of the criticism from our toxic media and shameful ex-cricketers.

    Big loss no doubt. He changed the fitness culture of the whole side and set international standard benchmarks. Nurtured youngsters like Babar, Hasan, Shadab, Imad and backed PAK team to move on from TTFs like Umar Akmal, Shehzad, Kamran, Rahat Ali, Imran Khan, Anwar Ali etc. I saw PAK batting change their attitude from settling for 250-ish to regularly scoring 300+ and attacking in the powerplay and at the death. Our fielding improved to become one of the best PAK fielding teams ever.

    Best PAK coach easily in the past decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadi Rizvi View Post
    He is a casualty of the criticism from our toxic media and shameful ex-cricketers.

    Big loss no doubt. He changed the fitness culture of the whole side and set international standard benchmarks. Nurtured youngsters like Babar, Hasan, Shadab, Imad and backed PAK team to move on from TTFs like Umar Akmal, Shehzad, Kamran, Rahat Ali, Imran Khan, Anwar Ali etc. I saw PAK batting change their attitude from settling for 250-ish to regularly scoring 300+ and attacking in the powerplay and at the death. Our fielding improved to become one of the best PAK fielding teams ever.

    Best PAK coach easily in the past decade.
    Agreed, him and Azhar were some of the only professional aspects of our coaching setup.

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    Best overseas coach Pakistan ever had.

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    Mickey outperformed with the players he had at his disposal.

    A great coach who has mentored Babar and Shaheen so well.

    Thank you and hope to see you back as a coach in the future, Mickey!

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    Brilliant interview. Mickey deserves greater appreciation for the instrumental role he played in developing Babar Azam even when he was going through a rough patch early in his Test career.

    His passion for Pakistan cricket is obvious, and the way he was double crossed by PCB was appalling. No wonder the world's leading coaches don't offer their services.

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    Great interview, his sincerity towards Pakistan cricket is apparent. I'm surprised though he did not say a word against Misbah, in fact MA genuinely respects him. I'm sure the feeling is mutual. This should be an eye opener for the anti-Misbah brigade that would have us believe otherwise

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    17 defeats in 28 Tests under him.
    0/7 ODI series wins vs Eng, Aus, SA, NZ.
    4 PSL seasons without a final for KK.
    Right to see him go....

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    PakPassion.net: Will we ever see you wearing the green of Pakistan again?

    Mickey Arthur: "As they say, never say never! That is one thing I found about Pakistan during my time there."

    InshaAllah.

    Miss this guy so much. The level of professionalism he instlled into our culture was simply amazing.

    Also, he didn't even take credit for the #1 ranking.

    Very sensible comments from a very intelligent and capable coach. Great read.

    Hope to see him back one day!


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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoomCricket View Post
    Best overseas coach Pakistan ever had.
    Best coach, period. I rate him higher than Woolmer.

    The way he transformed our LOI sides was outstanding.

    His weakness was his inability to identify (the importance of) spinners which cost us a few home Tests, but then again we also collapsed in pathetic fashion in some of those games which is something no coach has been able to fix.

    There was a sense of confidence and comfort you had with Mickey sitting in the balcony.

    As for the ODIs prior to the WC, it's pretty obvious we used those for experimentation (particularly the AUS series). Freaking Malik led us in some of those ODIs


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    Was a nice coach and really showed that he loved coaching Pak with a passion.

    Itís a shame his contract didnít get extended.

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    Top bloke and probably the second best if not the best coach we have been graced with. Inzi was also Pakistan's best selector to date. And when you read this, understand that comparisons work in the realm of relativity. Big credit to both of them for bringing Babar and Shaheen to the fore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoomCricket View Post
    Best overseas coach Pakistan ever had.
    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoomCricket View Post
    17 defeats in 28 Tests under him.
    0/7 ODI series wins vs Eng, Aus, SA, NZ.
    4 PSL seasons without a final for KK.
    Right to see him go....
    Make up your mind

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    Mickey gets too much leeway for being a Westerner. What about his ludicrous decisions not to play a second spinner in the UAE? Why did he fail to groom more than one proper spinner in the limited overs side?

    He presided over a losing streak of 12 consecutive odis going into the World Cup. The T20 ranking was built off other teams not taking the T20 format seriously and playing their second and third elevens
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Mickey gets too much leeway for being a Westerner. What about his ludicrous decisions not to play a second spinner in the UAE? Why did he fail to groom more than one proper spinner in the limited overs side?

    He presided over a losing streak of 12 consecutive odis going into the World Cup. The T20 ranking was built off other teams not taking the T20 format seriously and playing their second and third elevens
    He finally accepted that he had a huge say in selections.

    The Arthur brigade makes excuses for the selection of Shoaib Malik (and Hafeez*) and try to shift the blame away from him, putting it all on Inzi.

    Okay, let's accept that for a moment. Let's say Arthur didn't select them.

    Coach is in charge of the playing XI. He kept playing Malik and dropped Haris Sohail, and by the time Haris was brought back, even though he started winning matches for us, it was too late.

    We were completely humiliated by that time because of his odd selections and playing XIs.


    *Hafeez was still OK as a player, but Malik no way. Cost us the cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoomCricket View Post
    17 defeats in 28 Tests under him.
    0/7 ODI series wins vs Eng, Aus, SA, NZ.
    4 PSL seasons without a final for KK.
    Right to see him go....
    Unfortunately, some people on the internet are willing to forgive that because he could speak good English, was a foreigner and played to the gallery.

    He's the worst coach in the history of PSL too. Ok, maybe it's tough between Arthur and Aqib.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Unfortunately, some people on the internet are willing to forgive that because he could speak good English, was a foreigner and played to the gallery.

    He's the worst coach in the history of PSL too. Ok, maybe it's tough between Arthur and Aqib.
    Even Aqib got the Qalandars in good shape this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Unfortunately, some people on the internet are willing to forgive that because he could speak good English, was a foreigner and played to the gallery.

    He's the worst coach in the history of PSL too. Ok, maybe it's tough between Arthur and Aqib.
    The PSL is a 5 week tournament in which teams are playing 4 matches per week on average, and travelling between cities (Sharjah/Dubai and Abu Dhabi in past editions). Realistically, coaches do not have time to work with players. The best that a coach can do is pick players and provide high level strategy and direction, which is ultimately upto the players to execute. I think coaching plays a very limited role in the PSL. Franchises's success can largely be put down to player performance.

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    Misbah is a much better coach.

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    The reason much of the Pakistani media did not like him was that he didn't leak dressing room details and provide them with inside informations as some previous regimes have.

    In addition he didn't take any nonsense from players, which irked some players and their media buddies.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    The reason much of the Pakistani media did not like him was that he didn't leak dressing room details and provide them with inside informations as some previous regimes have.

    In addition he didn't take any nonsense from players, which irked some players and their media buddies.
    How about the fact that the test team was left in ruins and he destroyed Misbahs legacy of the UAE fortress?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyWarsFan View Post
    How about the fact that the test team was left in ruins and he destroyed Misbahs legacy of the UAE fortress?
    Thank the sainted seniors Azhar (now captain courtesy of Misbah), Shafiq and Sarfraz for failing to knock off simple chases in those 2 Abu Dhabi Tests vs SL and NZ. Otherwise UAE record would be intact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    The reason much of the Pakistani media did not like him was that he didn't leak dressing room details and provide them with inside informations as some previous regimes have.

    In addition he didn't take any nonsense from players, which irked some players and their media buddies.
    So it had nothing to do with his pathetic test and odi record when he left? Are you saying that Waqar leaked dressing room details during his tenure and that Waqar toleratd nonsense from players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Thank the sainted seniors Azhar (now captain courtesy of Misbah), Shafiq and Sarfraz for failing to knock off simple chases in those 2 Abu Dhabi Tests vs SL and NZ. Otherwise UAE record would be intact.
    Indeed. Appalling effort from the senior players.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    So it had nothing to do with his pathetic test and odi record when he left? Are you saying that Waqar leaked dressing room details during his tenure and that Waqar toleratd nonsense from players?
    I suggest you read what I wrote again, slowly, because your post makes zero sense regarding what I have written.

    I wrote about something occurring during his reign as Head Coach and in response you have written about when he left.

    It was only a matter of time before your obsession with Waqar came into this thread. I never mentioned Waqar leaking information, once again your imagination playing tricks again.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoomCricket View Post
    17 defeats in 28 Tests under him.
    0/7 ODI series wins vs Eng, Aus, SA, NZ.
    4 PSL seasons without a final for KK.
    Right to see him go....
    He totally changed PAK in LOIs.

    He gave you CT17 trophy and #1 ranking in T20s

    He gave you players like Shadab, Hasan, Babar, Imad and Shaheen.
    All these players are future stars (Babar already is) and have had a major impact on our performances in LOIs.

    He transformed the fitness culture in PAK dressing room and gave massive importance to fielding skills due to which we saw one of the best PAK fielding sides ever.

    Changed the batting culture and instilled the mindset of not settling for under 300 in ODIs.

    All these are the things which an ODI series win can never top.

    Easily our best coach for a while.

    His impact will only grow with time as people will witness the true implications of the abomination that is the Misbah-Waqar duo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadi Rizvi View Post
    He totally changed PAK in LOIs.

    He gave you CT17 trophy and #1 ranking in T20s

    He gave you players like Shadab, Hasan, Babar, Imad and Shaheen.
    All these players are future stars (Babar already is) and have had a major impact on our performances in LOIs.

    He transformed the fitness culture in PAK dressing room and gave massive importance to fielding skills due to which we saw one of the best PAK fielding sides ever.

    Changed the batting culture and instilled the mindset of not settling for under 300 in ODIs.

    All these are the things which an ODI series win can never top.

    Easily our best coach for a while.

    His impact will only grow with time as people will witness the true implications of the abomination that is the Misbah-Waqar duo.
    Doesn't matter. Test cricket is the proper way of. Cricket and it's the most important form to maintain in order to remain a relevant cricketing nation. Fact is, Arthur destroyed our test team.

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    Miles better then junk misbah.

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    Regarding the Test team. Yes some errors were made, but when you lose Misbah and Younis, you are going to face some tough times.



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    No doubt Mickey Arthur was a fantastic coach for Pakistan cricket. Pakistan was number 1 t20, won the Champions trophy, improved the fitness levels of pakistan cricket, and inducted young blood.
    However Misbah is an upgrade in which fitness is the same in the international level and domestic. Misbah knows domestic cricket inside out and follows donestic cricket. Mickey Arthur never followed domestic cricket and picked players from just the PSL which was good for just T20. People are just so impatient with Misbah that they expect instant results. Just give the man some time. Pakistan was number 1 in T20 but what happen when they lost many t20s consecutively. Mickey Arthur is not a good Test coach. He did not have a future plan when Misbah and Younis left from test cricket. Mickey Arthur is not a good tactical coach either. He never bothered to help the weaknesses of his cricketers. For example Fakhar zaman had many weaknesses like the short ball but he never bothered to help him.
    Misbah was the captain when his team was number 1 in test cricket. Waqar you is was at the time the head coach. Another thing with Mickey Arthur is that he cant cope the pressure from the media. Also there was language problems between the players and the coach.
    People just be patient. Remember the downfall from Num 1 in T20 to now fourth is not because of Misbah. Pakistan lost many t20 matches when Mickey Arthur was in his last months of his tenture.
    Inshallah Pakistan will be Number 1 in all formats

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Regarding the Test team. Yes some errors were made, but when you lose Misbah and Younis, you are going to face some tough times.
    I wonder what did the lose of Younis and Misbah have to do with Mickey Arthur picking only one spinner in the UAE? Also Pakistan has lost in Australia, South Africa even with these two players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    I wonder what did the lose of Younis and Misbah have to do with Mickey Arthur picking only one spinner in the UAE? Also Pakistan has lost in Australia, South Africa even with these two players.
    Look at the part where I wrote errors were made. All coaches make mistakes and Mickey did too.

    Let me know when Pakistan went to Australia and South Africa and won Test series in the past?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Look at the part where I wrote errors were made. All coaches make mistakes and Mickey did too.

    Let me know when Pakistan went to Australia and South Africa and won Test series in the past?
    Making a mistake once is human, to be stubborn and to make mistakes in consecutive test matches in defiance of proper advice is incompetence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Making a mistake once is human, to be stubborn and to make mistakes in consecutive test matches in defiance of proper advice is incompetence
    It was a glaring mistake. That's obvious. But for me, Mickey did more good things than bad for Pakistan cricket.

    Now do show me where we went to Australia and South Africa and won a Test series?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    It was a glaring mistake. That's obvious. But for me, Mickey did more good things than bad for Pakistan cricket.

    Now do show me where we went to Australia and South Africa and won a Test series?
    The records don't reflect he did more good than bad. Barring the CT win, his record is the same as his predecessors. We were going into the World Cup with a 12 ODI losing streak. He was unable to have a case for the PCB to retain him

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    I found overall Mickeys tenure better than the likes of War even if we exclude CT 2017. However, thinking too far ahead was Mickeys failure.. Just like his days in South Africa, his fondness for fast bowling All rounders, and an army of all rounders (which eventually did not work out completely did not yield good results). He was too stubborn on Faheem Ashraf only to realize before WC, that he is no good. He should have stuck with Faheem Ashraf till WC just like he gave confidence to Babar Azam in tests ad build him what he is today.

    Apart from wins and losses, he got rid of Akmals TTFs. In the hindsight it was such a good decision. I too liked Umar Akmal. But that guy has his own enemies in his family. They just try to justify his on serious attitude rather than helping him correct his mistakes..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The records don't reflect he did more good than bad. Barring the CT win, his record is the same as his predecessors. We were going into the World Cup with a 12 ODI losing streak. He was unable to have a case for the PCB to retain him
    You can't stand Waqar
    You hate Misbah
    You don't rate Mickey

    Maybe one day PCB might get someone who meets your approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    You can't stand Waqar
    You hate Misbah
    You don't rate Mickey

    Maybe one day PCB might get someone who meets your approval.
    People shouldn't be overtly glorified when they don't deserve it. If Mickey Arthur did a lot more good than bad for Pakistan, he would not have been let go.
    Last edited by MenInG; 10th May 2020 at 10:07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    People shouldn't be overtly glorified when they don't deserve it. If Mickey Arthur did a lot more good than bad for Pakistan, he would not have been let go.
    @Savak Your absolutely right my brother. Mickey Arthur didnt deserve to keep on going as a head coach. Let me tell you facts my brother.
    Under Mickey Arthur as head coach his tenture record:
    Test: Pakistan won 10 out of 28 Tests. They lost 17 and had one draw.
    Odi: Pakistan won 29 of 66 ODIs, losing 34 with three no-results. Pakistan were terrible in Odi and especially Test. His decision making in the world cup was all over the place. He said that Hasnain is an x-factor but never played him once. There are so many questions that need to be answered by him. He never picked players based on domestic cricket. He did pick lots of youngsters which was a fantastic thing but he never followed or knew a thing about Pak domestic cricket.
    Besides the Champions Trophy there is nothing that he has achieved. Pakistan started losing t20s too. The losing streak was mostly under Mickey Arthur. He over relied on unorthodox players. Was not a good technical coach. Cant coach technical to players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    People shouldn't be overtly glorified when they don't deserve it. If Mickey Arthur did a lot more good than bad for Pakistan, he would not have been let go.
    The likes of you conveniently forget the good that some coaches do. I don't think anyone is asking for Arthur to be praised for the mistakes he made, but he deserves some credit for the things he did well.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    The likes of you conveniently forget the good that some coaches do. I don't think anyone is asking for Arthur to be praised for the mistakes he made, but he deserves some credit for the things he did well.
    I give him some credit for upgrading our outdated limited overs style of play which we developed under Misbah and Waqar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    I give him some credit for upgrading our outdated limited overs style of play which we developed under Misbah and Waqar.
    Well there you go.

    That wasn't so difficult was it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    I give him some credit for upgrading our outdated limited overs style of play which we developed under Misbah and Waqar.
    Of all the things... I dunno if you read the interview bro. Pakistan has its own unique playing culture. MA recognized that and clearly states in the article that they would scrap to 150 scores in t20s. So not sure how our outdated style was upgraded

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    We should be proud of our cricket culture and our approach that we are one of the few teams that can consistently defend low targets. Attacking with the ball is a formula that's been working for us for generations. Best thing MA did was to not tinker with that TTF (Tried Tested Formula)

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    Better than Dav Whatmore, Geoff Lawson, Bob Woolmer and Richard Pybus.

    Best overseas coach Pak have had.

    But right to move on from him after the WC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoomCricket View Post
    17 defeats in 28 Tests under him.
    0/7 ODI series wins vs Eng, Aus, SA, NZ.
    4 PSL seasons without a final for KK.
    Right to see him go....
    Tests yes he did badly, but also for a team to do well after losing the captain and the most senior batsman in the team is very tough for any side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    He finally accepted that he had a huge say in selections.

    The Arthur brigade makes excuses for the selection of Shoaib Malik (and Hafeez*) and try to shift the blame away from him, putting it all on Inzi.

    Okay, let's accept that for a moment. Let's say Arthur didn't select them.

    Coach is in charge of the playing XI. He kept playing Malik and dropped Haris Sohail, and by the time Haris was brought back, even though he started winning matches for us, it was too late.

    We were completely humiliated by that time because of his odd selections and playing XIs.


    *Hafeez was still OK as a player, but Malik no way. Cost us the cup.
    Problem was they went with Malik AND Asif and shortened their bowling as a result without getting the batting to make up for it.

    That first West Indies honestly sucked so much. They had the right batting lineup and order at the time and they just happened to have their worst game to start off the tournament and caused a major panic.

    MA was decent, good in some aspects and had some blind spots too. Particularly, it was for his love of Malik/Asif/Faheem/Hasan who seemed to play despite their struggles. If people recall, Faheem and Hasan were on that England tour before the WC and got absolutely destroyed. I could at least understand with Hasan since he was a big reason why we won the CT and was great for the most part and it was hard not to think he would simply get over his slump but Faheem constant selection was baffling. He should be a part-time bowler and had no batting despite constant chances to prove himself. It's hard to understand his selection.

    And the Test matches under him... its hard to blame him entirely for it but he shares the blame too. He didn't really understand UAE condidtions and that spinners win matches here. During his tenure, Yasir declined a lot and they never really used a proper second spinner and instead sometimes used 3rd seamer or used Bilal who has an awful track record in FC to begin with.

    Now, a big reason for the decline in Tests was not simply Younis/Misbah retired but that Azhar/Shafiq went into huge slumps along with Sarfraz. They struggled to find consistent openers, Babar was awful to start his Test career and frankly, there was no one reliable or consistent batsmen during his tenure. However, if as a coach you are seeing all these slumps, why are new batsmen not being tried out who can help? They tried numerous openers but the best one we had in Pakistan in Azhar went from opener to #3 position and he kept struggling for a long time. Hard to win when there's no good batsmen in Tests, your best bowler is struggling, and there wasn't much bowling support other than Abbas. But the coach didn't look to proactively make any adjustments either and therein lies the blame.

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    He is good at developing talent. Look at the work he did with Babar and Imam. Even Shaheen showed improvement after struggling for a bit.

    Honestly would rather have kept Arthur than have Misbah as coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    He is good at developing talent. Look at the work he did with Babar and Imam. Even Shaheen showed improvement after struggling for a bit.

    Honestly would rather have kept Arthur than have Misbah as coach.
    Faheem, Asif, Hasnain, Mir, Usman Sal, Usman Shinwari, Yamin are also some beautiful examples.

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    Excellent interview from an excellent coach and one of the very best coaches Pakistan has ever had.

    As coach of the Test team we achieved our first series win in the Windies, drew two series in England and would have remained undefeated in the UAE had it not been for some brainless batting by a couple of so-called senior players.

    I listen to the argument about playing two spinners in the UAE, but;

    1. The bowlers we did select did their job
    2. I doubt a second spinner would have batted better then the other 11 selected..

    He should have continued for two more years with Misbah as his deputy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salman4. View Post
    Faheem, Asif, Hasnain, Mir, Usman Sal, Usman Shinwari, Yamin are also some beautiful examples.
    If he gets players at the start of their international career he seems to help their development.

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    Happy Birthday to Mickey Arthur who turns 52 today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoomCricket View Post
    Happy Birthday to Mickey Arthur who turns 52 today.
    On his birthday last year he had to have some stern words with Babar Azam who made his worst ODI century in the 4th ODI at Trent Bridge, playing for 3 figures and not the team at a high scoring venue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    That is one way to throw shade at your current coach

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    Amir

    Seems a bit disappointed I guess after missing out the Central Contract.

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    The tweet is taken out of context... Before this tweet and after this tweet there are multiple tweets supporting Misbahís childrenís hospital project

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    Why wouldn't he feel that way given the amount of games he played for Pakistan under Arthur undeservedly


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