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    Hassan Ali suffers re-occurrence of back injury, could be out for eight months

    Injury to Hassan Ali as mentioned by Misbah

    Misbah said Hasan was also not considered because he was suffering from back injury which resurfaced on April 30. He said the PCB was helping Hasan to recover from the injury.

    It is learnt that the PCB is in negotiation with doctors in Australia to take their advisory about Hasan’s back injury which could be treated by doing surgery or through rehabilitation. “Overall, it is a lengthy process for Hasan, which may take eight months,” he said.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Injury to Hassan Ali as mentioned by Misbah

    Misbah said Hasan was also not considered because he was suffering from back injury which resurfaced on April 30. He said the PCB was helping Hasan to recover from the injury.

    It is learnt that the PCB is in negotiation with doctors in Australia to take their advisory about Hasan’s back injury which could be treated by doing surgery or through rehabilitation. “Overall, it is a lengthy process for Hasan, which may take eight months,” he said.
    I wonder who in the PCB is responsible for mismanaging Hasan Ali's injury?

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    Back injuries for fast bowlers can be career ending. He may never come back as the bowler we saw a few years ago.

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    God this is bad news for Hasan Ali. Back injuries are difficult to come back from. Add to the fact that PCB medical department is looking after him tells you everything you need to know.

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    I heard he had been given 90kg of scott thats why, the diploma doctors in PCB don't know that hassan was lean and 90 Kg is very very impossible for him, every body has different training that they can't understand unfortunately.

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    This might end his international career

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Injury to Hassan Ali as mentioned by Misbah

    Misbah said Hasan was also not considered because he was suffering from back injury which resurfaced on April 30. He said the PCB was helping Hasan to recover from the injury.

    It is learnt that the PCB is in negotiation with doctors in Australia to take their advisory about Hasan’s back injury which could be treated by doing surgery or through rehabilitation. “Overall, it is a lengthy process for Hasan, which may take eight months,” he said.
    What sort of back injury? A stress fracture?

    When will Wasim Khan look in to the terrible medical services being offered to the players that have reportedly severely mismanaged many of them?

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    Not played internationally since his marriage has he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    Back injuries for fast bowlers can be career ending. He may never come back as the bowler we saw a few years ago.
    Quote Originally Posted by TeymurBlake View Post
    God this is bad news for Hasan Ali. Back injuries are difficult to come back from. Add to the fact that PCB medical department is looking after him tells you everything you need to know.
    Pat Cummins, Mohammad Amir, Joefra Archer, James Pattinson, Usman Shinwari, Jasprit Bumrah are few examples of fast bowlers facing back injuries at different stages of their careers and coming back. So if he is willing to put in the hard yards he should be back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoomCricket View Post
    Not played internationally since his marriage has he?
    Correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Pat Cummins, Mohammad Amir, Joefra Archer, James Pattinson, Usman Shinwari, Jasprit Bumrah are few examples of fast bowlers facing back injuries at different stages of their careers and coming back. So if he is willing to put in the hard yards he should be back.
    they always tend to lose some pace..i cant see him coming back if he loses some pace..

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    End of his career

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    they always tend to lose some pace..i cant see him coming back if he loses some pace..
    Yes you are correct but Hasan wasnt bowling 150 kph to start with like Cummins, Pattinson etc. Cummins is now in his groove and gets that extra zip and can maintain the pace around 140-145 kph pretty comfortably and can touch high 140s on occasions as well. Surely he might not be able to cross that 150 mark as commonly and comfortably as he did before injury.

    Archer and Amir got injuries very early in their careers so they werent much effected by the time they debuted for their national teams. Usman Shinwari had multiple stress fractures as well and the recent one was like couple of years ago and he actually became faster after that was touching 150 kph on BBL and now he is close to his normal pace.

    I am not sure how critical Hasan’s injury is, might have to do something with a back disk as I read on a website. COVID-19 will obviously slow the whole process just like it has slowed most of the things.

    It will all depend upon nature of his injury, the names I have mentioned Pattinson had the worst of it and only got into field as he opted for a procedure which only Shane Bond and Corey Anderson opted for before. A surgeon in Christchurch who literally uses wire and screws.

    Bumrah is also struggling with his natural zip to an extent but yes it takes time and effort to recover from a back injury.

    If Hassan is treated properly he can again ball in that 140 kph zone.
    Last edited by Titan24; 14th May 2020 at 19:36.

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    I suffered from a herniated disc Sciatica in 2017 so i know full well how painful, debilitating, frustrating and depressing the condition can get. Regardless of whether Hasan Ali has a contract or not, i hope the PCB doesn't leave him out to dry for his injury

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    I suffered from a herniated disc Sciatica in 2017 so i know full well how painful, debilitating, frustrating and depressing the condition can get. Regardless of whether Hasan Ali has a contract or not, i hope the PCB doesn't leave him out to dry for his injury
    Scary injury bro.

    How are you these days? From a 0 to 100% pre-injury scale?

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    Misbah and the management need to be clear about what caused this injury. Reports of him being asked to deadlift high weights etc cannot be ignored.

    Just like Umar has finally been held accountable for his actions, the people responsible here also need to be. In my opinion, being careless with training regimes leading to player injury and a possible lifetime of health issues is as serious as spot fixing.

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    Although PCB has a history of mismanaging players when it comes to injuries and rehabilitation. Players are equally responsible for it, Hassan was doing Fashion Shows, pulling off his crazy celebration on the stage, all this while he was officially asked to rest, on top of that he played entire PSL, which he should never have done knowing his back problem. It's better to sit out for a period of 3-6 months then to just end your career by not taking proper care.

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    No matter what Misbah says regarding ticking off all the boxes before Hassan made his PSL return, someone somewhere botched his rehab. There is no way that he was 100% ready and he suffered the rib fracture and then his injury flared up as soon as he came back.

    Players complaining about the lack of expertise when it comes to injury management/rehab have a valid point. We've seen far too many cases like these. So sad that talented players have their career either ended or severely dented due to PCB's unprofessionalism.

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    Hasan has a herniated disc (bulging/slipped disc). This is a serious injury especially if the disc keeps protruding. There is no cure-all treatment for this. Physio, chiro, massage, cortisone injections etc. can only manage the symptoms but ultimately if the protrusion is really bad, then surgery is performed to remove the portion that keeps protruding and impinging on the sciatic nerve. While surgery may relieve pain there is a very high chance that the intact portion of the disc protrudes again (the part that was not removed by surgery). This disc cannot be replaced or regenerated. Removing it entirely means severe restriction of back movement. I fear for Hasan. Even sports professionals that have unlimited amounts of money and medical resources with this condition (like Tiger Woods) have struggled with this condition and undergone multiple surgeries.

    Source: I had a similar injury for 8 years and was offered surgery. After reading two books by back surgeons, talking to back specialists and to people who had gone through this surgery, I decided against it because of the risk factors and high chance of re-herniation/protrusion. Its a tough condition to live with. At its worst, you can't even bend 15 degrees to brush your teeth and need help changing sides at night when sleeping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrentDevil View Post
    Although PCB has a history of mismanaging players when it comes to injuries and rehabilitation. Players are equally responsible for it, Hassan was doing Fashion Shows, pulling off his crazy celebration on the stage, all this while he was officially asked to rest, on top of that he played entire PSL, which he should never have done knowing his back problem. It's better to sit out for a period of 3-6 months then to just end your career by not taking proper care.
    It's practically impossible to self-evaluate an injury. One might be "feeling" 100% but it is only the experts who truly know the status of your injury. So, blaming Hassan for playing the PSL isn't fair - it should be the people who allowed him to do that that should be held accountable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo Dipsy View Post
    Hasan has a herniated disc (bulging/slipped disc). This is a serious injury especially if the disc keeps protruding. There is no cure-all treatment for this. Physio, chiro, massage, cortisone injections etc. can only manage the symptoms but ultimately if the protrusion is really bad, then surgery is performed to remove the portion that keeps protruding and impinging on the sciatic nerve. While surgery may relieve pain there is a very high chance that the intact portion of the disc protrudes again (the part that was not removed by surgery). This disc cannot be replaced or regenerated. Removing it entirely means severe restriction of back movement. I fear for Hasan. Even sports professionals that have unlimited amounts of money and medical resources with this condition (like Tiger Woods) have struggled with this condition and undergone multiple surgeries.

    Source: I had a similar injury for 8 years and was offered surgery. After reading two books by back surgeons, talking to back specialists and to people who had gone through this surgery, I decided against it because of the risk factors and high chance of re-herniation/protrusion. Its a tough condition to live with. At its worst, you can't even bend 15 degrees to brush your teeth and need help changing sides at night when sleeping.
    I should add that without surgery, the disc can naturally "slip" back into place over weeks (mild cases) or several months/1-2 years (majority of serious cases). I think genetics are the main reason for Hasan's injury (he's just prone to it) and secondary reason could be improper weight training and the toll that fast bowling takes on your discs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo Dipsy View Post
    I should add that without surgery, the disc can naturally "slip" back into place over weeks (mild cases) or several months/1-2 years (majority of serious cases). I think genetics are the main reason for Hasan's injury (he's just prone to it) and secondary reason could be improper weight training and the toll that fast bowling takes on your discs.
    Just shows how difficult it is to be a fast bowler and have a long career as definitely it takes a toll on overall body. Reinforces the fact that the ATG fast bowlers are not only great because of their stats but also because of their longevity and to efforts to maintain fitness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake View Post
    It's practically impossible to self-evaluate an injury. One might be "feeling" 100% but it is only the experts who truly know the status of your injury. So, blaming Hassan for playing the PSL isn't fair - it should be the people who allowed him to do that that should be held accountable.
    I also pointed out some things before PSL fiasco, this is becoming a norm now, players who are out throughout the year and play no cricket are suddenly 'fit' or ready to play in PSL, same is the case with Rumman Raees, he hasn't played any major cricket for 2 years except PSL.

    Naseem Shah was injured also before the PSL, and was asked to rest for 2 games, which is a joke, afterwards he played every game for QG.
    It might be the pressure from franchises, but it's not possible without the willingness of players themselves, this seriously needs to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Pat Cummins, Mohammad Amir, Joefra Archer, James Pattinson, Usman Shinwari, Jasprit Bumrah are few examples of fast bowlers facing back injuries at different stages of their careers and coming back. So if he is willing to put in the hard yards he should be back.
    Well that's the thing, if he's willing to put the hard yards in or go the T20 circuit which is also likely when he's fit.

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    8 months he's already missed the last 12 months
    Not sure we'll see hasan ali again in a pakistani shirt especially given the new faster youngsters like hasnain and naseem


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    Hasan Ali will have to live a very disciplined lifestyle and embrace pain management for the rest of his life. Just like how diabetics deal with diabetes

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    You have to look at the people who have been managing this injury and question and analyse the job they have done with Hassan.
    Last edited by Saj; 15th May 2020 at 02:32.



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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    8 months he's already missed the last 12 months
    Not sure we'll see hasan ali again in a pakistani shirt especially given the new faster youngsters like hasnain and naseem
    Naseems action is scary + his height will play a part. It looks to me as if he is bending his back too much to generate pace which in the long run is not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    You have to look at the people who have been managing this injury and question and analyse the job they have done with Hassan.
    We say this every time, but when was the last time someone in PCB was held accountable for anything? Big or small?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    Naseems action is scary + his height will play a part. It looks to me as if he is bending his back too much to generate pace which in the long run is not good.
    Hence the reason why he didnt play back to back tests against austrlia they are trying to pick and choose when to play him which is right thing to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum363 View Post
    We say this every time, but when was the last time someone in PCB was held accountable for anything? Big or small?
    Maybe that's th next step for wasim hes making small steps

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Maybe that's th next step for wasim hes making small steps
    This corona issue has given Misbah a bit of a breather but its about time hes bought to task for some of the inconsistent and baffling decisions hes made.

    Wasim has to own up to the mistake he made in appointing an unqualified person as the coach/ chief selector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum363 View Post
    This corona issue has given Misbah a bit of a breather but it’s about time he’s bought to task for some of the inconsistent and baffling decisions he’s made.

    Wasim has to own up to the mistake he made in appointing an unqualified person as the coach/ chief selector.
    Not every decision he makes will be right !

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    End of his international career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    I suffered from a herniated disc Sciatica in 2017 so i know full well how painful, debilitating, frustrating and depressing the condition can get. Regardless of whether Hasan Ali has a contract or not, i hope the PCB doesn't leave him out to dry for his injury
    I also have herniated disc in back. Did you had surgery?

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    PCB Medical Department ruins another career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eye_Done View Post
    I also have herniated disc in back. Did you had surgery?
    Nope. Thankfully managed to avoid it. But the pain was so severe at one point that i seriously contemplated it because i was tired of taking painkillers and being overtly dependent on painkillers. But 7-8 months later the pain declined by 80-90% and the nuerologist mentioned this is natural due to fibrosis taking over and the herniated disc is no longer in contact with the nerve.

    However occasionally the feeling of discomfort and back fatigue happens whenever i do excessive physical work or stand for hours due to which i then take comfort in just lying my back and resting it. What i really observed being helpful for my back was when i was going to the gym and doing some daily back exercises.

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    The added problem is, even when he comes back, will he be the same bowler he once was. Many bowlers have come back from such injuries, a pale shadow of who they were.
    Last edited by Saj; 15th May 2020 at 22:30.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum363 View Post
    We say this every time, but when was the last time someone in PCB was held accountable for anything? Big or small?
    And this is the problem.

    They must have some serious connections.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    And this is the problem.

    They must have some serious connections.
    True. Maybe another part of PCB which should be taken to courts with all its history of treatment or lack of it for almost 2 decades without any substantial change.


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    What is up with PCB medical?? This is the 3rd major injury for Hasan now. Why was he put through training and playing in the PSL?

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    This high performance center will be a joke unless they revamp the medical team.

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    I thought with the new PCB regime, one of the first things they would have done was to re-vamp the medical team and staff.



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    This could be the making of his career.

    Nobody has any use for a 5'8 tall Number 10 slogger and fast-medium bowler. Too short.

    But when the only alternative is Faheem Ashraf, Hasan Ali could have a career as a Number 7 batsman who can defend his end and bowl as the fourth seamer in SENA and third seamer in Asia.

    Hopefully Hasan Ali will go away and work like a madman on his batting. Because Pakistan could really do with a bottom half of the order run every format of:

    6. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
    7. Shadab Khan
    8. Hasan Ali
    9. Zafar Gohar or Salid Khan (Asia) / Ehsan Adil (SENA)
    10. Naseem Shah
    11. Shaheen Shah Afridi

    But this depends upon his batting, not his bowling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    Naseems action is scary + his height will play a part. It looks to me as if he is bending his back too much to generate pace which in the long run is not good.
    By then we will probably have a replacement
    Sameen gul or musa khan will probably be ready for selection by then


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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    Naseems action is scary + his height will play a part. It looks to me as if he is bending his back too much to generate pace which in the long run is not good.
    It is scary but I dont think they going to overuse him maybe just tests and possibly global events

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    Have we seen the last of Hassan Ali in international cricket? Pakistan seems to have much better options currently.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    By then we will probably have a replacement
    Sameen gul or musa khan will probably be ready for selection by then
    They will look after naseem trust me waqar loves him.musa khan needs alot of work

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    News reports indicate that The Pakistan Cricket Board is facing difficulties in sending pacer Hasan Ali abroad for specialist treatment for a back injury due to the coronavirus-linked global travel restrictions


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