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    'Pakistan's tour of England isn’t about leverage’ : Wasim Khan

    Wasim Khan speaking on SkySports:

    "The ECB presented to us a week or so ago on the provisions they are putting in place. We had the relevant people from our side, Misbah-ul-Haq the head coach and also our doctor was on there as well. Look, we were really pleased with everything we heard in terms of all the provisions ECB are putting in place. So the players are chomping at the bit. We are having to keep them back a little bit. As things stand at the moment we are very much looking forward to touring."

    "It is a bit of a difficult one because when the West Indies are here we are not going to be following too far behind them. We need a 14 day quarantine period when we get to England and then obviously enough time to practice for the guys so they can be ready. That is a bit of a challenge. We are looking at bringing an extended squad of about 25 players which is more than normal because we've got a T20 series at the end of the Test matches so it's more manageable to bring everyone together. And before that obviously is getting the guys training and getting them together and trying to find a solution really to bring them together and get them ready for the tour. And we are planning that at the moment. We are probably a week away from that."

    "The plan is try to bring them together at the national cricket academy in Lahore, so that we can start to get them prepared. There's a programme that is being developed by our medical team in consultation with the ICC in terms of a return to training programme for them. But we are looking at whether we can bring the families as well so we can get everyone tested so they can spend some time with their families. Because 3 months cooped up is going to be pretty tough for the guys. It is something that has been raised. That in itself will be quite a logistical challenge for everybody; families and kids in the national academy during that period of time so lots for us to ponder and certainly a massive challenge for us ahead."

    "To be fair to them, they have actually raised that themselves about looking at what things they can put on and how they can support us with the additional numbers that our going to come on tour and the chartered flights etc. We are going to have to discuss with them more deeply over the next week or so, but certainly from our perspective we are probably in a similar situation to the West Indies where it is tough for all of us at the moment and bringing additional numbers, chartered flights all of those things is clearly going to cost quite a bit of money. We are also willing to make some investment from our side like bio secure training camps. We should be doing that anyway over here in Pakistan. Once we get close to touring England we will hopefully have all those things in place and we are very clear about who is picking up the costs."

    "Firstly many of them are based in Lahore so they might be a few miles away from their families, but won't able to see them for a month. And then having to disappear for 2 months after that [will be tough]. At the moment, the players are open [to this]. They trust us that we are going to do what is right for them. We certainly will do that and won't be jeopardizing their health and well being for the sake of cricket. We want cricket to be played, but not at all costs. Our medical team is talking to the ECB medical team on a weekly basis so we can understand how the situation is changing. We are also going to need government clearance from both sides to make sure before we can actually plan this out correctly, but the players are pretty much putting it in our hands and saying we trust you, and for our part we will keep them informed on a regular basis."

    "The way we are planning is to get to England by early July so that we can get the quarantine period done. If they can practice during that time, it would be great. If not, then at least we get the 14 days done and it gives us 2 and a half weeks before the first Test Match to give the guys time to prepare. We are told there are going to be 2 venues but we haven't been told which venues these will be. We are also going to get a 3rd venue which is going to be our base purely for us to use during our time in England. I would suspect with hotel accommodation nearby on on the ground"

    "Tom Harrison came over to Pakistan in September with one of the Board directors, and we made a decision that it will be a series of small steps to be taken - there is a lot of cricket to be played between now and 2022"

    "I have had this question raised a few times that has there been a deal cut (between the boards), all I say is look the simple fact is and the genuine answer is that we need to get cricket back on again, and now is probably not the time to leverage anything"

    "I think naturally things will take their course over the next 2 years, we have a lot of home series which will hopefully go well and will be run successfully, and that will give more confidence to the likes of Australia and England who are due to tour in 2022"

    "This is really about getting cricket back on again; the cricketers want to play the game; I think its important for the global game as well that we actually start bringing a level of normalcy back to playing cricket again, whatever that might look like over the next 6-12 months"

    "Our offices have been closed now for 7-8 weeks. There was some full lockdown and now it has been moved to a partial lockdown. It is a real dilemma for the Prime Minister. We've got 30% of the population that live under the poverty line. A lot of those guys are daily workers. You get daily wages for going out working, putting bread on the table for the families so it is a serious issue. There are people sat in both camps. It has been very challenging for Imran to try and work out what is the best thing to do and I think he's taken more of a humanitarian viewpoint that actually people going hungry is going to be far worse for the country and then what they are trying to do is put measures in place. There have been 20,000 Covid-19 cases reported and just over 1000 deaths. You never quite know what the real situation is. I guess because there is such a high level of illiteracy rate in Pakistan. I keep hearing people saying its not a serious issue/disease."

    "Three months leading into the job I was told politics and cricket are definitely going to mix so you need to get used to it. It has been a real challenge to deal with all of that. One of the first things we had to do was look at the domestic structure. Our PM had been very vocal about going down the Australian system of having 6 teams/provinces. And that was the first thing I had to get my teeth stuck into because the work had already started on that. We set a goal of trying to get international Test Cricket back to Pakistan within a year and also trying to get the whole of the PSL back to Pakistan because it was running in the UAE."

    "The perception out there still existed about Pakistan being unsafe because of what happened in 2009 with Sri Lanka. We needed to draw on the players who had already been over here because word of mouth from them was a lot stronger than the CEO telling them that it was safe."

    Women's Cricket:

    "What I found is very little value was placed on women's cricket. Cricketers themselves didn't expect a lot because not a lot had been done over the years. All of the domestic women's cricket now earn money which makes a huge difference in allowing them to play. We previously had an all male selection panel which has changed. 3 former women's players with an average age of 32 have taken over as selectors. Women now fly business class for anything over 5 hours like the men."
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    Interesting question asked in the Video call with Wasim about this - the participants were smiling asking that question but Wasim did well to answer


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    Any Pakistan tour of England this summer would not be carried out with the intention of forcing a reciprocal tour in 2022, PCB chief executive Wasim Khan said on Thursday.

    England haven't toured Pakistan since 2005 due to security concerns and, following a terrorist attack on the Sri Lankan team bus in 2009, Pakistan's home matches have mostly been held in the United Arab Emirates.

    Cricket is beginning to return to Pakistan, however, with Sri Lanka and West Indies among the teams to have toured in recent years, while the Pakistan Super League T20 tournament has also been held at home.

    But, speaking on Sky Sports' The Cricket Show, Khan said discussions over a Pakistan tour of England this summer was "not the time to try and leverage anything" in terms of any possible return trip.

    "There is a lot of cricket to be played between now and 2022," said Khan.

    "I've had that question raised a few times; has there been a deal cut? Is something going to happen?

    The ECB is celebrating the work of over 200 cricket initiatives during the COVID-19 crisis through its 'Together Through This Test' campaign.

    "But the simple fact is - and it's a genuine answer - we need to get cricket back on again and now is probably not the time to try and leverage anything. Naturally things will take their course over the next two years.

    "We've got a lot of home series between now and then, which hopefully will all go successfully, and we'll give more confidence to the likes of Australia and England, who are due to tour in 2022.

    "But this is about getting cricket back on again. The cricketers want to play and I think it's important for the global game as well that we start to bring a level of normalcy to playing cricket again - whatever that may look like - over the next six to 12 months."

    Pakistan are scheduled to play England in three Tests and three T20 internationals this summer, following on the back of a planned West Indies tour in July.

    Though discussions are still taking place with the ECB about how any tour would work, Khan said Pakistan's players were 'chomping at the bit' at the prospect.

    "We need a 14-day quarantine period when we get to England and enough time to practice for the guys so they can be ready," said Khan.

    "That's a bit of a challenge, so we're looking at an extended squad. We're looking at bringing around 25 players - more than normal.

    "We were really pleased with everything we heard from the ECB, in terms of all the provisions they are putting in place.

    "The players are chomping at the bit; we're very much looking forward to touring."

    Former England captain and Sky Sports Cricket pundit Mike Atherton is also hopeful of a Pakistan tour this summer, as well as a return series being scheduled.

    "I think Pakistan will be watching what happens with West Indies very carefully," Atherton added.

    Former England cricketers Michael Atherton and Ebony Rainford-Brent discuss how the coronavirus pandemic may affect cricketers' mental health.

    "If that goes smoothly and according to plan, then there's every chance Pakistan will come and I'm sure Wasim will be using that as a bit of leverage and expecting England to go there in 2022 or thereabouts.

    "I really hope so. I'd love to go back to Pakistan and see England tour again there; I haven't seen back there since 2000 when I was a player."

    https://www.skysports.com/cricket/ne...ive-wasim-khan
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    More quotes in Post #1


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    But, speaking on Sky Sports' The Cricket Show, Khan said discussions over a Pakistan tour of England this summer was "not the time to try and leverage anything" in terms of any possible return trip.
    Disagree.

    It's the ideal time to get some leverage.



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    England's proposed international summer behind closed doors is on a ‘tightrope’ with plenty of hoops still to jump through before they can be confident of play.


    The West Indies are the first visitors due to arrive in the UK to play three Tests in July, before Ireland and Pakistan are hoped to follow.

    And while both the Windies and Pakistan are hopeful of bringing extended squads to the UK to cope with the unique situation, there remains a number of issues to be resolved before everyone is ready to sign off on the tours, not least the full support of the UK Government.

    “There is still a long way to go before this tour becomes a reality,” said West Indies chief executive Johnny Grave.

    “It is a bit of a tightrope because there are a lot of people that need to be satisfied with what is being proposed and it is a process that would be no different if it was England coming here.”

    It is understood that there is a broadly positive approach to the idea of the tour from the West Indies players with skipper Jason Holder saying: “Each player has to be comfortable in making the step.

    “It has been made clear that if we are to hop on a plane to go over to England and play, then it must be safe.

    “The only way that the tour will possibly go ahead is if everyone could be comfortable with the measures that the ECB are putting in place to roll the cricket out.”

    So what might things look like for the players involved in the most unprecedented of summers?

    Dates and venues are still to be confirmed but, on June 6, the West Indies players and support staff are due to be given a Covid-19 Test.

    Assuming all results are negative, players will board charter flights on June 10 from their home islands to Antigua and take a chartered transatlantic flight to London Gatwick.

    Having prepared for the World Cup at the Ageas Bowl, this would be the preferred ‘bio-secure’ venue for the West Indies to stay and train for four weeks ahead of the first Test at the same ground.

    England players are due to meet up as a squad at Old Trafford on June 24, the second ‘bio secure’ venue set to host the second and third Tests.

    The two international squads will be kept apart for as long as possible before the first Test when they will share facilities.

    Both squads will then be given regular Covid 19 tests purchased by the ECB and in line with the tests given to NHS frontline staff.

    Inter squad matches between England players are then scheduled to take place on June 29 at Old Trafford and West Indies at Ageas bowl.

    The First Test between England the West Indies is set for July 8 and, from July 3, the squads will be based on site at Ageas Bowl with separate parts of the on-site hotel designated to each team.

    The ground will be split into an inner zone for the players and officials and an outer zone for broadcasters, media and operational staff with no-one permitted to move between the two.


    Potential international summer schedule

    June 24 – England players to meet up as a squad at Old Trafford, the second 'bio secure' venue set to host the second and third Tests. The two international squads to be kept apart for as long as possible before the first Test when they will share facilities. Both squads to be given regular Covid 19 tests purchased by the ECB and in line with the tests given to NHS frontline staff.

    June 29 - Inter squad matches between England players at Old Trafford and West Indies at Ageas bowl.

    July 3rd – England and West Indies squad to be based on site at Ageas Bowl with separate parts of the on-site hotel designated to each team. The ground will be split into an inner zone for the players and officials and an outer zone for broadcasters, media and operational staff with no-one permitted to move between the two.

    July 8th – England v West Indies 1st Test, Ageas Bowl

    July 8th – Pakistan arrive in the UK, based at Edgbaston and staying in private accommodation next to the ground

    July 16th – England v West Indies 2nd Test, Old Trafford

    July 16th – Ireland arrive in UK, based at Ageas Bowl ahead of ODI series

    July 24th – England v West Indies 3rd Test, Old Trafford

    July 30th – England v Ireland 1st ODI, Ageas Bowl

    August 1st – England v Ireland 2nd ODI, Ageas Bowl

    August 3rd – England v Ireland 3rd ODI, Ageas Bowl

    August 5th – England v Pakistan 1st Test, Old Trafford

    August 13th – England v Pakistan 2nd Test, Old Trafford

    August 20th – England v Pakistan 3rd Test, Old Trafford

    Further games

    x3 T20s England v Pakistan
    x3 ODIs and x3 T20s v Australia
    x2 T20s England women v South Africa women
    x4 ODIs England women v South Africa women

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/crick...ummer-22059917


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    Zaka Ashraf naively operated under the same belief in December 2012-January 2013 that "Everything is not about money, its about the resumption of bilateral cricketing ties" when he agreed to send Pakistan's team to India forgoing PCB's scheduled home series, not asking for any compensation and naively believing verbal promises that India would play Pakistan at a nuetral venue later on. The BCCI showed its true colors in no time.

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    That was India... this is England... some of you guys shouldn’t ever become negotiators

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Zaka Ashraf naively operated under the same belief in December 2012-January 2013 that "Everything is not about money, its about the resumption of bilateral cricketing ties" when he agreed to send Pakistan's team to India forgoing PCB's scheduled home series, not asking for any compensation and naively believing verbal promises that India would play Pakistan at a nuetral venue later on. The BCCI showed its true colors in no time.
    To be fair, BCCI and ECB aren't same. BCCI has worse relation with PCB.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Zaka Ashraf naively operated under the same belief in December 2012-January 2013 that "Everything is not about money, its about the resumption of bilateral cricketing ties" when he agreed to send Pakistan's team to India forgoing PCB's scheduled home series, not asking for any compensation and naively believing verbal promises that India would play Pakistan at a nuetral venue later on. The BCCI showed its true colors in no time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Disagree.

    It's the ideal time to get some leverage.
    Come on guys, you don't do diplomacy in public. Wasim Khan is savvy enough not to blurt out a quid pro quo as previous chairman like Ijaz Butt would.

    Instead he'll apply pressure behind the scenes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Come on guys, you don't do diplomacy in public. Wasim Khan is savvy enough not to blurt out a quid pro quo as previous chairman like Ijaz Butt would.

    Instead he'll apply pressure behind the scenes.
    Time will tell.

    Ideal opportunity to apply some pressure on the ECB.



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    It will make it a lot harder for England cricketers to say no PK tour after this commitment by PK cricketer and the PCB. We also need to find a way to break the big 3 nexus and this is a route in.

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    Atherton started an unnecessary rumour. There is no leverage. England will tour if they want too, not because Pakistan have toured England this year.

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    Once he's done with the role at the PCB I'd love to see Wasim Khan do some commentary as a Pakistani representative. Speaks "Queen's English" and so well respected. Knows his technical stuff too hearing him on Aussie radio over the winter during the Test tour there and analysing the actual cricket too.

    I know he didn't play for Pakistan.
    But he has Pakistan roots, played professionally in England and worked for the PCB in a major role.

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    I think some of you are missing the point. Pakistan has no leverage. If we say we will not tour, England will squeeze in 3 tests with another country, any country. Any state will jump at the chance of resumption of cricket, especially when nobody is playing cricket. The best thing we can do is to highlight the risks and sacrifice our team will be making, and capitalize on good will. If we pull out, there is nothing to gain. England will call our bluff, and still not tour. All of this responsibility lies on PCB's marketing team, and how well they can spin this story.

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    Do you all think they are safe in Pakistan?

    As if all these cricketers will lock themselves in the home for next six months and no one will come in and out? People need to live with the virus

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    Do you all think they are safe in Pakistan?

    As if all these cricketers will lock themselves in the home for next six months and no one will come in and out? People need to live with the virus
    Well they will be tested enough times so I think they should be able make that part of life as international sportsmen.


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    Wasim Khan answered that question pretty well. Two years is a long time and a lot can happen before England are due to tour. It's not realistic to expect binding commitments that far out, but obviously the PCB supporting the ECB during a difficult time will not hurt them when they formally negotiate for a reciprocal tour. I imagine Pakistan touring this summer will ensure there will be a lot of public pressure in England for the players to tour Pakistan in 2022 as well. To sky's credit, their pundits have always been sympathetic to the Pakistani cause.

    Anyone conflating the ECB with the BCCI is naive and has never undertaken a real-life negotiation in their lives. Ijaz Butt found out the hard way the cost of antagonizing English cricket.

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    Strongly disagree on the 'need to apply pressure on ECB' to make sure England tours in 2022.

    The greatest leverage that the PCB could exert is by establishing true goodwill with the ECB. A competitive series with Pakistan may well be the difference between the ECB having to lay off hundreds of staff and cut payments to counties. This gesture of goodwill will strengthen relations between the two boards and result not only in future england tours but close relations between the two boards within the ICC context.

    If, on the other hand, we pressure the ECB during what's a challenging time for them, it'll leave a bad taste in their mouth.

    Now, both the ECB and CA have previously refused tours on the grounds of security. One's view on how secure a country is, is entirely subjective. What may feel safe to a Pakistani citizen may not feel safe to a non-Pakistani. So even if the PCB gets an ironclad agreement with the ECB, you could still the majority of first team players refusing to tour. You then get left with a shadow england squad touring Pakistan and why would broadcasters pay for that?

    To give another example, the PCB forcing an agreement with ECB to tour is like a man having a pre-nuptial agreement with his wife to be. You think she's your future life partner, but you still think she'll break the marriage contract eventually, so put in a 'pre-nuptial' agreement in place to signify the lack of trust between you two.

    In closing, I support Wasim Khan's stance in this. The best leverage is trust and, whilst we can be cynical about the ECB, someone has to take the first step of goodwill. Short term arm twisting achieves little

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    So the 14 day quarantine is now confirmed. And as per rules, it doesnt allow for exercise so our players will need to stay put in one place for 14 days. Food will be brought to them so there will no need to go out.

    Wonder how they will take this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    So the 14 day quarantine is now confirmed. And as per rules, it doesnt allow for exercise so our players will need to stay put in one place for 14 days. Food will be brought to them so there will no need to go out.

    Wonder how they will take this?
    I'd imagine the ECB will push for an exception on the grounds of the exercise taking place in an isolated private premises that's part of/adjacent to their accomodation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    So the 14 day quarantine is now confirmed. And as per rules, it doesnt allow for exercise so our players will need to stay put in one place for 14 days. Food will be brought to them so there will no need to go out.

    Wonder how they will take this?
    Were does it say that

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    I agree its time to use this series as leverage but in the sense where a return series is arranged through the building of a good working relationship based on creating goodwill and trust between the two boards and countries which wasim is employing Arm twisting will not work in the longterm with a board like the ECB

    Hope this tactic works because a team like england touring within the next 18 months would be fantastic for home cricket back in pakistan

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    The above is what smart diplomacy looks like.

    The below is...what PCB considered "diplomacy" in the past:


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    There is also optimism that they will not affect the cricket season, with the West Indies and Pakistan already factoring in a potential 14-day quarantine period for their tours of England in the summer provided they are given the go-ahead to take place. Pakistan are understood to be seeking clarification on whether the team is permitted to quarantine together in a hotel that is connected to a cricket ground and train during this time.

    As things stand, any breaches to the new rules would be punishable with a £1,000 fixed penalty notice in England, or prosecution with an unlimited fine, while devolved nations can set out their own enforcement approaches.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Were does it say that
    They will be told to avoid public transport and travel to their accommodation by car "where possible", and not to go out to buy food or other essentials "where they can rely on others".

    In England, a breach of self-isolation would be punishable by a £1,000 fixed penalty notice, or prosecution and an unlimited fine for persistent offenders.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52774854


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    It's still for anyone to think this series can be used as anything more than building good relationships between the two boards.

    Once this tour is over and done with there is no way the PCB can force the ECB to tour Pakistan and similarly there is no way PCB will start turning down tours to England.

    At the most, if PCB are happy with the arrangements being made they should send their team to England this summer in the hope that it will help build strong relationships with the ECB, which will be a factor when the latter are deciding if they will send their team to Pakistan or not in 2022.

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    Rahul Dravid on the subject of a bio-bubble and Empty Stadiums

    "It is a bit unrealistic to have things at the level the ECB is talking about. Obviously, the ECB is very keen to conduct these series because they have had no other cricket and it is right in the middle of the season. Even if they are potentially able to create a bubble and manage it in that way, I think it will be impossible for everyone to do it with the kind of calendar that we have, with the travelling that you do on tours and the number of people involved"

    "All of us are hoping that things will evolve with time and get better once we have better medication. In case of the bio-bubble, you do all the testing, the quarantine and then on day two of the Test match, what if one player tests positive? What happens then? The rules, as they stand now, will see the Public Health Department coming in and putting everyone in quarantine.

    "So that ends the Test match or the series and that ends all the expenses that were made to get everyone there and create that environment. We're going to have to work with the Health Department and Government authorities to find out a way in which even if a player tests positive, the whole tournament isn't cancelled," Dravid who heads the National Cricket Academy added."

    "At a professional level, players will adjust and not let it affect their performances much. A professional, once he or she gets on to the field, has a lot of pride in oneself. So they will find a way to deal with that. But the experience at the end of the day is not going to be the same.

    "Players love to perform in front of a crowd, engage with their fans and that adds incredible complexity to a sport. I think that's what a player will definitely miss. There is a personal self-satisfaction when you perform in front of a large crowd."

    https://sportstar.thehindu.com/crick...le31670052.ece
    Last edited by MenInG; 25th May 2020 at 20:32.


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