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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    At this point, with multiple pictures of the scrapes at the bottom of the engines and the runway available, it seems to be definitely established that the pilot did try an aborted belly landing in which both engines scraped the runway.

    The question remains, did the pilots know that the landing gear was not down? It seems they reported the engines had failed (probably after they scraped the runway), but I haven't seen any report saying they informed the ATC controller that the landing gear was not down. One would expect that if they knew they should have informed the controller so that the ambulances, fire fighting trucks etc. would have been ready and waiting next to the runway.
    the landing gear not coming down is indicted by the 3 beeps heard in the convo recorded, however when the plane crashed landing gear can be seen as released, so it seems pilot forgot to release the landing gear completly in first landing attempt, and only realised when it was to late, also it was reported the plane landed right in the middle of the runway, whereas they should land in the first 1/3 of it, therefore it seems due to numerous errors, piliot simply hesitated and made one error after another. question needs to now lye with PIA and there hiring policy.


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    Could it be that pilots were rusty after the extended lockdown when they weren't flying coupled with fatigue and brain fog from fasting?

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    I read somewhere that the Pilot was fasting and he was working straight for 5 days. There should be a policy that enables pilot to get enough rest before a flight as this could rightly give the pilot ability for rational decision.

    Blame lies solely with PIA for their hiring policy and training, rather than with the pilot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedzee View Post
    I read somewhere that the Pilot was fasting and he was working straight for 5 days. There should be a policy that enables pilot to get enough rest before a flight as this could rightly give the pilot ability for rational decision.

    Blame lies solely with PIA for their hiring policy and training, rather than with the pilot.
    Also if there weren't so many houses near the airport they could have made a safety landing on empty land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetroDollars View Post
    the landing gear not coming down is indicted by the 3 beeps heard in the convo recorded, however when the plane crashed landing gear can be seen as released, so it seems pilot forgot to release the landing gear completly in first landing attempt, and only realised when it was to late, also it was reported the plane landed right in the middle of the runway, whereas they should land in the first 1/3 of it, therefore it seems due to numerous errors, piliot simply hesitated and made one error after another. question needs to now lye with PIA and there hiring policy.
    Yes, it does appear that when the began the first attempt they had forgotten to lower the landing gear. It could be that the pilot was distracted by the disagreement with the controller about whether he was too high and coming down too fast. As you write, there seems to have been a warning 3 beeps which the pilots did not notice or ignored. An advanced civilian airliner like the Airbus 320 would definitely have warnings for the pilots if they approached a landing without the gear down.

    Ironically, lowering the landing gear in the second attempt contributed to the plane not being able to make it to the runway as it would have increased the drag. If the landing gear was not down on the second attempt then maybe the plane could have reached the runway and done a belly landing. It was at a low speed though, and would have struck the runway with considerable vertical velocity.

    I don't think a few days fasting reduces a person's cognitive abilities, there are many examples to the contrary.

    A tragedy for the deceased and their families, may they find peace.
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    PARIS: The team of renowned plane manufacturing company, Airbus, arrived in Pakistan Tuesday to investigate the recent crash of one of its own manufactured aircraft in Karachi.

    The team of technical advisers left for Pakistan on board special flight AEB1888 of Airbus A330 from French city, Toulouse. The team members will inspect the runway of Karachi airport and the mishap site.

    The Pakistan International Airlines plane crashed into a narrow residential street in Karachi on Friday, damaging several houses in a densely-populated area in the vicinity of the airport. Of the 99 people aboard, 97 were killed and only two passengers survived.

    Airbus will run an independent investigation into the crash, which reportedly happened due to an engine failure.

    Soon after the crash, authorities had cordoned off the mishap site and banned the transfer of objects from there until the Airbus team arrived to carry out a formal investigation into the incident.

    In an earlier letter, the Airbus team had said that they do not have any conclusive details regarding the crash.

    The Pakistan International Airlines and Air France will also assist the plane manufacturer in the investigation.

    The PK-8303 tragedy has become the third most-catastrophic aviation disaster in the country's history.

    In a recent letter issued on Sunday to all airlines operating the A320 narrow-body jets, Airbus said it will provide full technical cooperation to the PIA, Air France, and engine manufacturer CFM International after the crash.

    The ill-fated Airbus A320 plane was handed over to the PIA in 2014 and had completed 47,100 flight hours and 25,860 flight cycles until its crash.

    https://www.geo.tv/latest/289842-airbus-team-to-arrive


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    PARIS: The team of renowned plane manufacturing company, Airbus, arrived in Pakistan Tuesday to investigate the recent crash of one of its own manufactured aircraft in Karachi.

    The Airbus team visited the site were the PK-8303 flight crashed. The technical team inspected the houses that were damaged by the crash. Relevant officers of the civil aviation and PIA were summoned at the crash site.

    The Airbus team was briefed about the crash by PIA and fire department officials. The Aircraft Accident and Investigation team were present with the Airbus technical team as well to ascertain the situation.

    The technical experts studied the remains of the plane and inspected the engines, landing gear, wings and flight control system of the aircraft.

    Airbus is conducting an independent investigation into the crash, which reportedly happened due to an engine failure.

    The team of technical advisers left for Pakistan on board special flight AEB1888 of Airbus A330 from French city, Toulouse. The team members are expected to inspect the runway of Karachi airport as well.

    Karachi plane crash: 97 killed, only two survive
    The PIA plane crashed into a narrow residential street in Karachi on Friday, damaging several houses in a densely-populated area in the vicinity of the airport. Of the 99 people aboard, 97 were killed and only two passengers survived.

    Soon after the crash, authorities had cordoned off the mishap site and banned the transfer of objects from there until the Airbus team arrived to carry out a formal investigation into the incident.

    In an earlier letter, the Airbus team had said that they do not have any conclusive details regarding the crash.

    The PIA and Air France will also assist the plane manufacturer in the investigation.

    The PK-8303 tragedy has become the third most-catastrophic aviation disaster in the country's history.

    In a recent letter issued on Sunday to all airlines operating the A320 narrow-body jets, Airbus said it will provide full technical cooperation to the PIA, Air France, and engine manufacturer CFM International after the crash.

    The ill-fated Airbus A320 plane was handed over to the PIA in 2014 and had completed 47,100 flight hours and 25,860 flight cycles until its crash.

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    11 member Airbus team in Pakistan at the moment for investigations





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    The crash site run over by all and sundry - totally compromised and Airbus guys in proper gear....








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    PK-8303 crash: ATC, approach tower controllers submit written reply to probe board

    KARACHI: The air traffic controller (ATC) and approach tower controllers have submitted written reply to the investigation board probing into Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) plane, PK-8303, crash incident, ARY News reported on Tuesday.

    Major progress has been made in the investigation into PIA plane crash incident as ATC and approach tower controllers submitted their written responses before the aircraft accident and investigation.

    It stated that the approach tower controller had handled the flight from Lahore to Karachi and the task was handed over to the ATC to make the plane safely landed at the airport. The landing task had been given by the approach tower to the ATC after 10 nautical miles.

    The air traffic controller told the probe board that the captain neglected the instructions at 10 nautical miles as a plane needs to maintain 1,800-foot altitude before landing, whereas, the captain of the ill-fated plane had maintained 3,000 -foot altitude at that time.

    It emerged that the captain asked the ATC that he will adjust its altitude and speed before landing, however, he landed the plane without opening landing gear during the first attempt. The ATC added that both engines of the aircraft were badly damaged after hitting the ground as the plane landed without opening landing gear. It seems that the captain forgot to open the landing gear while maintaining speed and altitude of the aircraft, said the air traffic controller.

    Later, the captain had asked permission to land once again and informed the control tower that both engines of the aircraft were not working. The plane had been granted permission to land at the left side of runway number 25. According to the ATC and approach tower controller, the captain of the aircraft had been informed them regarding any kind of emergency. The captain had told the air traffic controller that he was calm and he will manage to land the aircraft.

    On May 22, a Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) aircraft with more than 90 passengers and eight crew members on board had crashed in a residential area near Jinnah International Airport.

    Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) officials confirmed the national flag carrier’s flight PK-8303 that was flying from Lahore to Karachi crashed in Model Colony. The plane crashed moments before expected landing at the Karachi airport.

    https://arynews.tv/en/pk-8303-crash-...o-probe-board/


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    KARACHI: A team of Airbus arrived in Karachi to assist the probe in Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) flight PK-8303 recent plane crash, visited the site of the crash on Tuesday, ARY News reported.

    A team of 11 French experts landed in Karachi on a special Airbus 338 this morning to assist the investigation of the PIA plane crash in Karachi.

    Except two survivors, all 97 passengers and crew members of the aircraft that crashed into a residential area near Karachi airport were confirmed dead. However, no resident of the Model Colony’s Jinnah Garden where the plane crashed was among the victims.

    The experts visited the plane crash location and will also get briefing at the PIA Head Office.

    Sources privy to the development said that the experts will also visit the runway of the Karachi airport and will see the footage of the cameras installed at the runway.

    The team will leave for France tonight with the black box and parts of engine essential for the probe into the crash for further investigation.

    It is to be mentioned here that the pilots international organization has also offered their technical assistance to the authorities in the probe.

    An investigations team yesterday found the ‘voice date recorder’ of the Pakistan International Airlines plane (PIA) that crashed on Friday.

    Sources said that the voice data recorder of the airliner found at the crash site in Karachi. The black box and the voice data recorder will be handed over to a team of Airbus experts to determine the cause of the plane crash.

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    International Federation of Air Line Pilots Association has offered to assist Enquiry Committee on PIA Crash at Karachi. This is what I have demanded to add PALPA, ICAO & a rep of Airbus into committee for transparent investigation.

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    Islamabad: Pakistan is still in a state of shock and mourning over the death of 97 people, including crew members, on board the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) Flight PK-8303 from Lahore to Karachi that went down moments before landing on May 22.

    After the crash, while Pakistan’s Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) constituted a four-member probe committee and instructed it to conclude investigations within three months, Airbus, the manufacturer of the aircraft, an A-320, announced to conduct an independent inquiry into the accident and sent its team of technical experts to Pakistan.

    The 11-member team of technical experts from Airbus, that arrived on Monday, spent a busy day on Tuesday and visited the crash site in Karachi’s Model Colony and collected evidences, recorded a video and spoke to officials from the Fire Department there.

    The Airbus team examined various parts of the engine of the plane, its landing gear, wings and flight control system and took photos of the houses and buildings damaged by the crash.

    Officials and staff members of PIA, its Flight Safety department and engineering wing briefed the French team about the past record of the airplane as well as its pilot. The team also simulated the entire flight operation of the ill-fated plane — from takeoff to its crash-landing — and discussed with the engineers and flight officers about their experience of handling the said Airbus plane.

    Earlier, the probe team inspected the runway at Jinnah International Airport and also visited the air traffic control tower and radar control station.

    The Airbus experts were expected to take the aircraft’s black box recorders along with them. They were scheduled to leave Pakistan late on Tuesday.

    The black box comprises the plane’s flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder that are expected to contain vital technical details about the plane.

    After the crash, The Netherlands-headquartered international aerospace company in a message on social media had announced it would run an independent investigation into the crash that was reportedly caused due to an engine failure.

    Soon after the incident, Pakistani authorities had cordoned off the crash site and banned transfer of any object from the site until the Airbus team arrived to carry out its investigation, according to a report.

    https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/****...tem-1.71693400


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    this video really explains it all, pilot was acting like he was playing a video game

    Pakistani pilots are erratic so ATC must also be blamed for clearing him to land



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    These commissions and inquiries will not bring back the dead and ease the pain, suffering of those who lost their loved ones.

    I once remember seeing a proposed airplane for the future where the top and bottom portion of the airplane would have such powerful parachutes that in the worst case scenario if the pilot ever lost control of the plane, he could activate the parachutes and therefore slowly guide the plane down to the ground therefore saving lives on the plane

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    https://youtu.be/z13Ae9ygiCU



    This is what I was talking about
    Last edited by MenInG; 27th May 2020 at 11:23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sa88 View Post
    Blame lies squarely with PIA. It is flying aged planes, has a shocking safety record and is haemorrhaging billions of rupees that a poor country like Pakistan can ill-afford.

    Some stats:

    The age of the aircraft in question was 16 years. Average fleet age globally is around 10 years. In China, India and other parts of Asia it is less than 10. So PIA is flying old aircraft more prone to failure.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...age-by-region/

    More damning is the fact that PIA has the worst safety record in Asia and Asia has a worse safety record than Europe and North America. PIA has suffered 11 crashes since 1970 with 7.42 full loss equivalents.

    http://www.airsafe.com/events/regions/asia.htm

    I imagine if the investigations are done properly it is very likely that we will discover this accident was most likely preventable. But I doubt any action will result as people will ascribe this tragedy to fate ("un ka waqt a gaya tha") and move on.

    Personally, I haven't flown PIA for 10 years and have no plans of ever doing so again. Anyone flying with this airline... good luck to you. Looks like you will need it.
    Poor post.

    Ageing aircraft have nothing to do with safety records.
    As long as your maintenance and inspection teams are doing their jobs you should be able to fly most aircraft these days. That is literally their job, to ensure that the aircraft remains in an airworthy state as governed by international standards set up by ICAO.

    As far as PIA's safety record is concerned, that is no surprise to anyone. It has been a corrupt organisation for a while now.

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    If the pilot did indeed forget to deploy landing gears and ended up with damaged engines, then I'd say pilot error was a huge factor.

    It is unbelievable that a pilot of his experience would forget something that would be second nature by now.

    Seems from the picture above that the landing gear did deploy on the 2nd attempt to land but the engines were gone by then.

    So was the landing gear faulty this whole time?
    Or did the pilot forget in the 1st attempt and damaged his engines?

    Big questions that won't have easy answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetroDollars View Post
    this video really explains it all, pilot was acting like he was playing a video game

    Pakistani pilots are erratic so ATC must also be blamed for clearing him to land

    so according to this video its clear that the plane came in way over speed and dropped altitude very rapidly causing instability. could that be a reason why the landing gear never deployed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    https://youtu.be/z13Ae9ygiCU



    This is what I was talking about
    I dont think this would work. The aero drag would be so intense that the capsule might disintegrate when it is ejected and also most accidents happen at takeoff/landing. The concept is cool though.

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    KARACHI: The technical team of the plane manufacturing company, Airbus, arrived at the site of the PIA aircraft crash on Wednesday to investigate the incident, sources informed Geo News.

    The team, comprising technical experts, had arrived in Karachi on Tuesday to conduct an investigation into the PK8303 plane crash. They will continue with their probe today (Wednesday) as well.

    According to sources, drone cameras will once again be used during the investigation at the site and the 11-member investigative team will use forensics today to probe the crash.

    Moreover, sources added the team, along with a local investigative group, will focus on finding the cockpit recording today. A flight safety team of PIA will also accompany the Airbus team at the site of the crash.

    After a green light from the Airbus team, the remains of the plane were moved from the site, including the cabin, tail and other parts to the airport, sources said.

    Sources, however, added, the plane’s engine, landing gears would be shifted in a few days.

    The shifting of the gear had been earlier halted due to the technical team’s investigation.

    On Tuesday, the Airbus team was briefed about the crash by PIA and fire department officials. The Aircraft Accident and Investigation team were present with the Airbus technical team as well to ascertain the situation.

    The technical experts had studied the remains of the plane and inspected the engines, landing gear, wings and flight control system of the aircraft.

    The team had then inspected the Jinnah International Airport runway and later visited the control tower as well.

    Airbus is conducting an independent investigation into the crash, which reportedly happened due to an engine failure.

    Cockpit voice recorder of PIA flight PK-8303 still missing: spox
    The cockpit voice recorder of the ill-fated PIA flight PK-8303, which crashed in a Karachi neighbourhood on Friday, had still not been found by Tuesday, a spokesperson of the airline had confirmed.

    PIA spokesman Abdullah Hafeez Khan had said that hectic efforts were being made to recover the voice recorder from the crash site.

    The airline spokesperson said that the recorder might have fallen into one of the houses in Model Colony area.

    He had requested the residents to hand it over to the authorities if they found it in their houses. “Voice recorder is important for the plane crash inquiry,” Khan said.

    He also advised the citizens against keeping anything of the aircraft at their homes as memorial saying this could be dangerous for their safety.

    The airline had on Saturday said that the black box of the jetliner was found, which included both the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder.

    Karachi plane crash: 97 killed, only two survive
    The PIA plane crashed into a narrow residential street in Karachi on Friday, damaging several houses in a densely-populated area in the vicinity of the airport. Of the 99 people aboard, 97 were killed and only two passengers survived.

    Soon after the crash, authorities had cordoned off the mishap site and banned the transfer of objects from there until the Airbus team arrived to carry out a formal investigation into the incident.

    In an earlier letter, the Airbus team had said that they do not have any conclusive details regarding the crash.

    The PIA and Air France will also assist the plane manufacturer in the investigation.

    The PK-8303 tragedy has become the third most-catastrophic aviation disaster in the country's history.

    In a recent letter issued on Sunday to all airlines operating the A320 narrow-body jets, Airbus said it will provide full technical cooperation to the PIA, Air France, and engine manufacturer CFM International after the crash.

    The ill-fated Airbus A320 plane was handed over to the PIA in 2014 and had completed 47,100 flight hours and 25,860 flight cycles until its crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal_103 View Post
    so according to this video its clear that the plane came in way over speed and dropped altitude very rapidly causing instability. could that be a reason why the landing gear never deployed?
    absolutely, also it was deployed too late.

    now the question is who to blame, is it pilots fault, or ATC for clearing him to land.


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    Reading all this, it seems like was due to pilot error. So strange as it was such a novice mistake for an experenced pilot like him.

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    The 11-member Airbus team extended their stay in Pakistan for another five days as they continued searching for cockpit voice recorder, reported 24NewsHD TV channel on Wednesday.

    The French experts along with the PIA probe team searched the plane crash site for the missing item but couldn’t succeed as wreckage was removed from the area six days after the plane crash. They also used drones during the process and it is expected the special experts team will also transport the parts of plane wreckage and samples of instruments to France for investigation.

    One part of the black box – digital satellite recorder – was found soon after the crash but the cockpit voice recorder is still missing. Sources say an attempt was made to decode the digital satellite recorder in Pakistan but the French experts expressed their reservations over the move and sent the instrument to France in a special flight. The investigators inspected the engine, landing gear and wings again. They also tried to determine from which direction the plane came and with which building it hit first.

    Meanwhile, the plane parts were shifted to the airport by removing unnecessary wreckage from the destroyed passenger aircraft after the probe team allowed to do so. The Airbus team decided to stay in Pakistan for five more days as civil society too came into action over the tragic plane crash in Karachi, as an application was filed with the Model Colony Police Station, declaring PIA CEO Arshad Malik and others responsible for the death of 97 people.

    The application filed by Rizwan Khanzada sought filing of a case against Malik, Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan, PIA chief engineer and the relevant team. The applicant says the technical team as well as ground and flight engineers should also be nominated as why “the out-of-order plane” was allowed to fly. Why the ground engineer and his subordinates allowed the plane to fly if the engine was out-of-order, he added. Malik, Sarwar and others should be investigated over poor performance and negligence, he said, adding that those pushing the passengers into death must not be forgiven.

    Earlier on Tuesday, Sindh Minister Saeed Ghani told a press conference in Karachi that the PIA and Civil Aviation Authority heads should be removed immediately. Describing the committee formed to probe the PIA plane crash just a drama, he also called for formation of an impartial inquiry commission. Malik is responsible for the crash, he said, adding that the probe could not be impartial as the CEO had already shared the details of investigation. Ghani accused Malik of terrifying the people so that no one could not speak up. The responsibility is being shifted to those who are now not in this world, said the PPP leader.

    The Pakistan Airline Pilots Association (PALPA) members should be made part of the inquiry team, he stressed. Similar views about the committee were earlier expressed by PPP leader Nafisa Shah as the PALPA has already questioned the composition, expressing their doubts over the possible outcome.

    https://www.24newshd.tv/27-May-2020/...rder-not-found


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    Government of Sindh has rejected investigation formed by federal government to probe Karachi plane crash and demanded removal of Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of Pakistan International Airlines and head of Civil Aviation Authority (CAA).

    Saeed Ghani, while addressing a press conference with other provincial ministers, said that a dictatorship has been established within the PIA as those who raise their voice have been silenced by the administration.

    Sindh minister Nasir Hussain said the DNA tests carried out in forensic laboratory of Karachi University take some time, expressing the hope that all tests will be completed in 10 days. He also assured that no negligence is being committed in treatment of the injured.

    97 people were killed while two passengers survived when a PIA flight coming from Lahore to Karachi crashed in the Model Colony in Malir area near Jinnah International Airport in Karachi.

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    Federal Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan on Thursday said that a provisional investigation report on last week's plane crash, as well as previous crashes, will be made public by June 22 during the upcoming parliamentary sessions.

    He made these remarks during a press conference in Islamabad, where he revealed that the prime minister met the inquiry board and directed them to conduct a thorough inquiry into the causes of the air crash.

    A PIA plane — Airbus A-320 — carrying 99 people on board, had crashed into a residential area near Karachi airport last week, resulting in 97 casualties.

    "There have been 12 plane crashes in our recent history, including the one last week. And when I briefed the prime minister on these accidents, he inquired as to why their investigative reports never come out on time," said Sarwar, adding that Prime Minister Imran's "main concern" right now is to ascertain the causes of these delays.

    "As the aviation minister, I will, therefore, try my best to release a provisional investigation report during the parliamentary sessions by June 22," Sarwar said. He added that the said report will reveal not just the reasons for the recent crash in Karachi but will also "briefly" touch upon the reasons for the delay in the reports of previous air crashes.

    He added that the forthcoming report will be "a free and fair" one because the members of the inquiry board were answerable to Allah.

    The aviation minister also revealed that an 11-member team, comprising experts from Airbus and representatives from the French government and the engine manufacturers, had reached Karachi on May 26.

    "They [the members of the team] are currently investigating the causes of the air crash. And they will share their findings with our inquiry board," Sarwar said.

    DNA identification

    Sarwar said that 51 dead bodies have been identified and handed over to the families until now and that the identification process will continue until all the results from the DNA tests have been received.

    "It will take some time for all the bodies to be identified. But once that process is completed, we will hand over all the remaining dead bodies to the grieving families," he said.

    Reiterating the government's support for the grieving families and of those residents who were directly affected by the crash, Sarwar said that he understands that monetary compensation isn't enough to recompense for the loss of the grieving families.

    "We have announced that families of those who were killed would receive Rs1 million each while the two survivors would be given Rs500,000 each. But we know this isn't enough and therefore we will not rest until we have conducted a thorough inquiry into the crash," he said.

    Sarwar said that the causes of the accident were a concern for the entire country and not just of those whose families had lost their loved ones.

    "We are all deeply concerned as to why these crashes keep happening," he said.

    The federal aviation minister also said that the government would offer compensation to the residents of the area whose houses were impacted by the crash.

    "I met many aggrieved people on the ground when I visited the accident site," Sarwar said, as he announced that the government will start the rehabilitation process in the area once experts have concluded their estimates.

    He paid tribute to the "passion and bravery" of the civilian volunteers who assisted the recovery operation on the day of the crash.

    The aviation minister also urged people not to speculate on the causes of the air crash.

    "I think the entire country should wait, be patient and wait for inquiry board to release their report."

    Responding to a question on whether there was a technical fault that caused the accident, Sarwar requested TV anchors and journalists to refrain from discussing the technical aspects of the crash, saying that only the experts could answer their queries.

    "Look, if there was a technical fault in the plane, it must have been recorded. In other words, we will find out one way or the other soon," Sarwar said.

    "Voice and data records have been found. I believe one was found earlier today. French authorities will take these records back to France to decode them. There are technical questions that you or I can't answer. So we will wait for experts to tell us," he added.

    Sarwar also said that the domestic flight operation has not been impacted in the aftermath of the accident.

    "No, the domestic operation continues as usual. And PIA is also repatriating stranded overseas Pakistanis. In fact, we will soon increase the number of domestic flights," Sarwar concluded.

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    ISLAMABAD/PARIS (Reuters) - The captain of a Pakistani airliner that crashed last week, killing 97 people on board, approached Karachi airport without announcing he couldn’t open his landing gear and hit the runway three times, a government minister said on Thursday.

    Search teams recovered the cockpit voice recorder from the wreckage of the Pakistan International Airlines Airbus A320 that crashed into a residential neighbourhood of Karachi last Friday, a spokesman for the airline said. Two people on board survived.

    Flight PK8303, from the eastern city of Lahore, came down less than a mile short of the runway as it was making a second attempt to land.

    The flight data recorder has already been found.

    Minister for Civil Aviation Ghulam Sarwar Khan told reporters the plane’s engines touched the ground three times on the first attempt at landing.

    “The pilot never announced his landing gear wasn’t opening. He haphazardly touched the engines thrice with the ground,” Khan said.

    “All marks are present (on the runway). He was not at the proper height... Control tower informed him you aren’t at the required height, lower your altitude,” he said, adding that the pilot replied: “I will manage.”

    According to communications posted on liveatc.net, an aviation radio monitoring website, the pilot told controllers “we’re comfortable now” during the approach, but the reason for the remark has left most experts puzzled.

    Shortly after the engines scraped along the runway in the aborted first landing attempt, the pilot reported problems in maintaining altitude, then said both engines had failed.

    Investigators are expected to examine whether the engines shut down because of their collision with the runway, following what appeared to be a steeper and faster approach than normal.

    The lower part of the engine housing contains key components including an accessory gearbox and hydraulic pumps.

    “All sorts of things can happen to an engine if you bounce it down the runway,” a person familiar with its design said.

    The engines were made by CFM International, a French-American venture co-owned by Safran and General Electric, and are among the most widely used in the industry with a strong overall record of reliability.

    The recorders will be read in France by the BEA air accident agency, which is part of the Pakistan-led probe.

    Safety experts caution it is too early to say what caused the crash and stress most accidents result from a cocktail of factors


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    This is very worrying if true.



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    Fuel costs are important for airlines and I seem to remember reading they give a bonus to pilots who use less fuel.

    The plane was too high and came down too fast. In doing so, the pilot seemed to have forgotten to lower the landing gear. At least he seemed to have ignored the continuous warning audio beeps. Was he concerned that if he turned around he would be penalized for using more fuel or simply for not having got the landing right the first time? If that is true then the rules need to be changed as they provide an incentive for dangerous behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    This is very worrying if true.

    Fawad Chahudhry has left him traumatised. These (ex) anchors aren’t really trust worthy, so i would take his opinion with a large pinch of salt.

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    Work on flight data of crashed Pakistani airliner to start June 2 in France

    KARACHI (Reuters) - Work on the flight data and cockpit voice recorders of a crashed Pakistani airliner will begin in France on June 2, investigators said on Saturday.

    “The mission on site (of the crash) is about to be completed,” BEA, the French air safety investigation authority for civil aviation, said on Twitter. It added that Pakistani investigators would fly to France along with the French team.

    Pakistan International Airlines flight PK8303, an Airbus A320, went down in the southern Pakistani city of Karachi last week, killing 97 of the 99 people on board. Under international aviation rules, BEA investigators joined the Pakistan-led inquiry because the 15-year-old jet was designed in France.

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    KARACHI: The work of foreign investigators visiting Pakistan to collect and analyse evidence about the May 22 plane crash in Karachi is nearing completion and they will be leaving for France shortly.

    An 11-member team of experts of Airbus, the manufacturer of the ill-fated A320, arrived in Karachi on May 26 to offer technical assistance in a probe into the crash of flight PK-8303 that claimed lives of 97 passengers and crewmembers. Only two passengers had survived the air crash.

    The team alongside their Pakistani counterparts from the Aircraft Accident and Investigation Board (AAIB) continued their work on Saturday and, according to a tweet from France’s Bureau of Enquiry and Analysis for Civil Aviation Safety (BEA), “the mission on site is about to be completed”.

    The team will take with it the flight data recorder (FDR) and cockpit voice recorder (CVR), the two components of the plane’s ‘black box’, to France to decode it in a bid to know the events that led to the crash of the Pakistan InternaČtional Airlines (PIA) aircraft.

    Twenty-three bodies of air crash victims remain to be identified.

    A member of the AAIB along with the French team is due to leave for France on Monday as per standard practice for such probes, according to an official.

    The BEA said in its tweet that after completion of the task the visiting team that comprises experts from BEA, Airbus and engine manufacturing companies Safran Aircraft Engines and CFM International along with “Pakistan’s AAIB will then fly to France”.

    The tweet also said that “technical work on FDR and CVR” of the ill-fated aircraft would begin in France on June 2.

    When a Twitter user asked how long the repair and download process of CVR and FDR typically takes, the BEA replied: “Minimum several days.”

    The French air safety organisation thanked the AAIB for “the coordination, organisation and support provided” to the French experts.

    The BEA also tweeted a photograph of the French and Pakistani investigators that it later clarified was not taken at the site of the crash but in front of a hangar where parts useful for investigation purposes were stored.

    74 bodies identified
    Twenty-three bodies of the crash victims have yet to be identified through DNA testing as a total of 74 bodies had been identified till Saturday night.

    A PIA spokesperson said that 63 bodies had been handed over to their families for burial.

    Sindh government’s spokesperson and chief minister’s law adviser Murtaza Wahab said that seven bodies had been identified by a laboratory in Punjab while a Karachi University lab had identified 22 bodies through DNA testing.

    “So far, a total of 34 DNA cross-match analyses have been completed at the Sindh Forensic DNA and Serology Laboratory (SFDL) and their reports have been dispatched to the Sindh police department. The whole process would be completed by tomorrow night,” said an official of KU’s International Centre for Chemical and Biological Sciences.

    He said that efforts were going on to identify the remaining victims at the earliest.

    The airline has been providing Rs1 million to each affected family for making arrangements for the burial of their loved ones.

    On Saturday, PIA sent six bodies, including those of First Officer Usman Azam, Flight Steward Abdul Qayyum Ashraf and Airhostess Amna Irfan, from Karachi to Lahore, where PIA employees offered their funeral prayers at the apron amid moving scenes, the spokesperson said.

    He said that the body of Pilot Usman Azam was wrapped in the national flag.

    The funeral prayers for another crash victim, Squadron Leader Zain Ul Arif Khan was offered at the PAF Faisal Base and he was laid to rest with full military honours at the PAF graveyard in Korangi Creek.

    He was posted at the Air Headquarters, Islamabad, and was travelling to Karachi to celebrate Eid with his parents. His remains were identified with the help of DNA testing before handover to the PAF authorities for burial.

    Deputy Chief of the Air Staff (Engineering) Air Vice Marshal Ahmad Hassan and Air Officer Commanding Southern Air Command Air Vice Marshal Abbas Ghumman, along with a large number of PAF personnel, civil and military officials and relatives of the martyred officer attended the funeral.

    The funeral prayers for senior journalist Syed Ansar Naqvi, whose body was identified on Friday, were offered at a mosque at Askari IV, Gulistan-i-Jauhar. A large number of journalists and other media personnel attended the funeral.


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