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    PIA aircrash - The Late Zara Abid (model) faces criticism on Social Media for her lifestyle

    Strange debate on social media.

    A few saying that since she was a model - that somehow excludes her from Allah's mercy and we shouldnt be praying for her afterlife - as if she doesnt deserve it due to her lifestyle which involved exposing her self to the world?

    Is it not the case that Allah SWT will forgive/listen who prays to him? Do we know if she didnt ask for His help?

    We live in strange times and odd things can be expected but is this justified?
    Last edited by MenInG; 24th May 2020 at 01:37.


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    The bigger question you should ask from yourself is: Do your prayers have the STRENGTH to get ACCEPTED by GOD?

    Leave the judgment part to Allah and she does not care if you prayed for her or not. Her relationship with Allah is very personal and who knows what stuff she used to do behind the scenes. Who knows she used to help the needy people of Allah. She died in Ramadan if you want to play it as a religious card.

    The same people who after passing such remarks enjoy xxx stuff in private. She is not going to judge their personal character.

    Anything that comes out from a Pakistani mouth should be taken with a grain of salt and leave the role of God to the real Allah.

    That's my two cents on this subject matter.
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    Sums up the country.

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    Lol how do they know Allah shows mercy towards her or not..

    BTW isn't those allegations falls under gheebath and nameemath by saying she's that she's this etc..?

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    By the way there's a story about a man who didn't do anything good in his life but still rewarded by paradise..


    Is there still a chance? Can my sins be forgiven? I have committed all kinds of sins, can I get them wiped out? Would Allah really accept me after years of deviation and defiance? These are some of questions that haunt many people when they think of repentance (tawbah) and decide to do away with their shameful past.

    The answer to these painful questions was provided by our beloved teacher, Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). He related to us the story of a man who murdered not one, two, or even a dozen of people. He slew 100 people but was still eager to repent and turn over a new leaf.

    How did Allah receive such a person? Did Allah accept him or kick him out of His mercy? Let’s start our journey with this man and try to take lessons from each juncture in his story:

    Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Prophet of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “He was directed to a monk. He came to him and told him that he had killed 99 people and asked him if there was any chance for his repentance to be accepted.”

    Ninety-nine persons were murdered by this man, but his heart was still alive. His conscience pricked him and he felt the innate disposition towards good. He was ashamed of his black record and wanted to rectify it. He actually made the decision to repent and followed this decision with the first practical steps. This is an important point, in fact, for procrastination is one of the evilest satanic traps. Sometimes, you feel enthusiastic and eager to correct your path, but if you do not turn these wishes into deeds, the wishes quickly abate. They are merely daydreams, castles in the air.

    There is still another lesson to be considered: When looking for a counselor, this murderer asked about the most learned person on earth. This teaches us to be careful when seeking a fatwa or advice. When you get sick or have something wrong with you, you go to the best doctor. When you intend to build a house, you go to the best architect. We should bear in mind that the matter of religion is far more serious.

    Now, did the person to whom our remorseful murderer was referred rise up to the expectations? Let’s see:

    “He replied in the negative and the man killed him also, completing one hundred. He then asked about the most learned man on the earth. He was directed to a scholar.”

    Alas, the monk was not qualified to give advice on such matters. He was a monk dedicating his life to worship and devotion. But this is not sufficient to give counsel and fatwas to people. To do so, one needs to be a knowledgeable scholar who is well-acquainted with the principles and teachings of Islam. This setback, however, did not prevent the man from pursuing, once again, the path of Allah. This is an important point because many people give in after the first failure, and only one obstacle is enough to make them retrace their steps.

    Now, the murderer is referred to a reliable scholar.

    “He [the murderer] told him that he had killed 100 people and asked him if there was any chance for his repentance to be accepted. The scholar replied in the affirmative and asked, ‘Who stands between you and repentance?’”

    This is the right answer. Allah’s mercy is wide open and He Almighty is ready to receive the sincere repentant. But, is it enough to just say “I repent”? Is repentance a matter of lip service and ritual formalities? Let’s see what the advice of the knowledgeable scholar was:

    “‘Go to such-and-such land; there (you will find) people devoted to worship of Allah. Join them in worship, and do not come back to your land because it is an evil place.’”

    So, break your repentance down into practical steps. Abandon anything that attracts you to your sinful past; avoid bad friends who tempt you to sin; ready yourself for the new life by preparing a helpful environment.

    “So he went away and hardly had he covered half the distance when death overtook him; and there was a dispute between the angels of mercy and the angels of torment. The angels of mercy pleaded, ‘This man has come with a repenting heart to Allah,’ and the angels of punishment argued, ‘He never did a virtuous deed in his life.’ Then there appeared another angel in the form of a human being and the contending angels agreed to make him arbiter between them. He said, ‘Measure the distance between the two lands. He will be considered belonging to the land to which he is nearer.’ They measured and found him closer to the land (of piety) where he intended to go, and so the angels of mercy collected his soul.” (Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

    This is the happy end. True, this person did not do one single good act and his record was as black as coal. But, no problem; since he embarked upon the journey to Allah, Allah would not reject him. So here is a man who killed 100 people, but his repentance was accepted and he was welcomed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    Sums up the country.


    TBH from what I saw on twitter, its a very small minority that are attacking her, in fact I literally only saw one tweet. Kind of harsh to sum up the country based on that.

    As for the topic, I think the post #5 explains the Islamic view quite well .

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    You can pray for whoever you want!

    Don't know what kind of clowns are making this an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Generico View Post
    TBH from what I saw on twitter, its a very small minority that are attacking her, in fact I literally only saw one tweet. Kind of harsh to sum up the country based on that.

    As for the topic, I think the post #5 explains the Islamic view quite well .
    Could be started by mischievous elements, whose sole goal is to make fun of the religious inclination of the Pakistani society.

    Never heard about this being an issue before.

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    Can we just let her rest in peace?!? May Allah SWT bless her with janaat. People with exposure know that we should not judge people from the exterior.

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    Of course she does. What the hell


    Hard to get a handle on this double edged sword

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    May Allah forgive her and us. No one is perfect.

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    Let the one who is sinless cast the first stone

    Everyone should be prayed for Who are we to judge

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    Of course she does. And there is no debate apart from people are attention seeking and will do whatever necessary to get some views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Generico View Post
    TBH from what I saw on twitter, its a very small minority that are attacking her, in fact I literally only saw one tweet. Kind of harsh to sum up the country based on that.

    As for the topic, I think the post #5 explains the Islamic view quite well .
    Yea to say ‘there’s a debate going on’ is stretching the truth to say the least

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    Aint God meant to be the most merficul anyway ? how can you lot call yourself muslims without even comprehending your own faith, half the people who are aware of her modelling activities are depraved dogs who must have been drooling over her on the daily, twisted freshi skum bags.

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    What did I just read

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    People are *******.

    This whole debate goes against beliefs of Islam. It might be kufr.

    Who are we to decide whether someone is a good or a bad person? Paradise or hell? The audacity, the arrogance

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Strange debate on social media.

    A few saying that since she was a model - that somehow excludes her from Allah's mercy and we shouldnt be praying for her afterlife - as if she doesnt deserve it due to her lifestyle which involved exposing her self to the world?

    Is it not the case that Allah SWT will forgive/listen who prays to him? Do we know if she didnt ask for His help?

    We live in strange times and odd things can be expected but is this justified?
    Social media can say whatever, Allah maalik hai faisla karega

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    Extreme thought has seeped into every segment of Pakistan’s society. Sickening!

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    Extreme thought has seeped into every segment of Pakistan’s society. Sickening!
    I literally only saw one tweet and everyone strongly disagreed with that guy. If one or even a handful of tweets are what we are going by then we could say extreme thoughts have seeped into every country in the world.

    I remember there were several tweets/FB post celebrating the Christchurch mass shooting And most of those posts were by people in US, Canada and other western countries. Some in India celebrated the PIA crash yesterday. Do you also hold that view about those countries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirris View Post
    Could be started by mischievous elements, whose sole goal is to make fun of the religious inclination of the Pakistani society.

    Never heard about this being an issue before.
    You may be right, I won’t be shocked if some are using this opportunity to make “false flag” post to make Islam look bad.

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    Allah has the right to judge. Not any of us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by El Generico View Post
    I literally only saw one tweet and everyone strongly disagreed with that guy. If one or even a handful of tweets are what we are going by then we could say extreme thoughts have seeped into every country in the world.

    I remember there were several tweets/FB post celebrating the Christchurch mass shooting And most of those posts were by people in US, Canada and other western countries. Some in India celebrated the PIA crash yesterday. Do you also hold that view about those countries?
    There are a few tweets there and also some stating why she is not being discussed so much like others.

    I am glad our members are much more entitled than many others.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    What did I just read
    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Of course she does. And there is no debate apart from people are attention seeking and will do whatever necessary to get some views.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sirris View Post
    Could be started by mischievous elements, whose sole goal is to make fun of the religious inclination of the Pakistani society.

    Never heard about this being an issue before.
    Quote Originally Posted by El Generico View Post
    I literally only saw one tweet and everyone strongly disagreed with that guy. If one or even a handful of tweets are what we are going by then we could say extreme thoughts have seeped into every country in the world.

    I remember there were several tweets/FB post celebrating the Christchurch mass shooting And most of those posts were by people in US, Canada and other western countries. Some in India celebrated the PIA crash yesterday. Do you also hold that view about those countries?
    ==

    A top model, presumed dead in a plane crash in Pakistan last week, has been attacked by online trolls, accusing her of having led an immoral life.

    Zara Abid's social media accounts were deactivated after comments poured in criticising her clothes and lifestyle.

    The 28-year-old was on board a PIA flight when it crashed in a residential part of Karachi on Friday, according to the manifest and her friends.

    Victims have not been named but authorities said only two men survived.

    Initial reports she had survived led her brother to issue a plea to people to stop spreading fake news, media reports said.

    Her Instagram, Twitter and Facebook accounts are no longer visible, though it is unclear if they were taken down by the social media sites or her family and friends.

    In conservative Pakistani society, women are expected to be modest and many of those in the public eye are subjected to moral policing on social media.

    Zara Abid worked with some of the biggest brands in Pakistani fashion and in January this year won "Best Female Model" at the Hum Style Awards.

    Leading designers paid tribute to her professionalism and style. She was set to make her debut as an actress later this year.

    As news spread that she was thought to have been on the ill-fated flight on Friday, hundreds of comments were posted on her social media accounts by religious radicals questioning her faith and adherence to Islamic practises.

    Many of the comments suggested that she would be punished in the afterlife for her choices.

    Pictures of her wearing clothes that would be considered revealing in Pakistan were being posted online as examples of her "sinful" behaviour.

    One Twitter user said, "Allah Pak doesn't like those women who are showing their body parts to everyone and jannat [heaven] is only for pure men and pure women".

    Prominent women can face abuse and even rape or death threats online in Pakistan in the name of morality or religious piety.

    There were of course also many tributes to her from fellow models, designers and actors who called it a "tragedy for the fashion industry".

    Some said she had redefined conventional beauty standards with her tanned complexion. In Pakistan, like in much of South Asia, fair skin is considered beautiful and idolised.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52794940


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    it’s not our business to judge anyone on their religion
    Last edited by MenInG; 26th May 2020 at 13:36.

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    What I find weird is that BBC makes it seem like it was a large number of users that attacked her but still only use one tweet as an example, I believe that one tweet is the same one that I saw.

    Anyways it good that hateful views are being called out even if some have a ulterior motive for doing so.
    Last edited by MenInG; 26th May 2020 at 13:59.

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    @MenInG bhai thank you for changing the thread title. It’s much appreciated. May she rest in peace and have all of our prayers with her


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