China-India standoff and border tension 2020

[Abdullah719]

New Delhi: The Indian Army today denied reports that any of its soldiers were detained by Chinese troops in Ladakh. However, the Army did not reply to specific queries on whether jawans of the Indo Tibetan Border Police or ITBP, who were part of the joint patrol were detained before being released.
A statement from the army read, "There has been no detention of Indian soldiers at the borders. We categorically deny this." Sources have told NDTV that some jawans in a patrol party was detained by Chinese forces in Ladakh near the Pangong lake earlier this week, following a scuffle between the two sides.

The situation -- coming amid tensions along the Line of Actual Control -- was defused after a meeting of commanders from both sides. Sources said the Prime Minister's Office was briefed about the matter.

The spokesperson of the Indian Army, Colonel Aman Anand, was also not willing to respond to queries on whether any of the weapons carried by the ITBP jawans were snatched or lost.

On May 9, at least 15 to 20 members of the Indian patrol team were involved in hand to hand fighting at the high altitude picket. In a statement later, the army said, "Aggressive behaviour by the two sides resulted in minor injuries to troops. The two sides disengaged after dialogue and interaction at local level".

"Temporary and short duration face-offs between border guarding troops do occur as boundaries are not resolved. Incident of face off as referred to in the article did take place. Troops resolve such issues mutually as per established protocols," the statement read.

Senior home ministry officials said the situation was "volatile".

"The situation became very volatile last Wednesday when a scuffle between Indian jawans and the Chinese resulted in detention of some of our jawans but later they were released," a senior bureaucrat told NDTV.

According to him, in the scuffle, weapons of ITBP jawans were also snatched. "But eventually weapons were handed back and our jawans also came back," he said.

The Chinese transgression was well inside the Indian territory and the home ministry was informed that they were patrolling the Pangong lake on motor boats. The army earlier said Chinese helicopters were seen operating in the disputed region in Ladakh. In an interview to NDTV, the Chief Of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria said, "(Chinese) helicopter activity has seen a spurt" in Ladakh.

National Security Advisor Ajit Doval is being briefed on the situation every day, sources said. Army Chief General MM Naravane visited Leh, headquarters of the 14 Corps in Ladakh on Friday to assess the situation.

It was decided to strengthen security in the region and troops were stationed in the Galwan region - a flashpoint during the 1962 war. Additional troops have also been sent to the northern bank of Pangong Tso and Demchok.

The face-off between China and India started after China reportedly expressed its displeasure about the construction of a road and bridge in the Galwan area by India. "The road was constructed to help local population," a senior officer told NDTV.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indi...denies-2234310

[Abdullah719]

Chinese troops challenge India at multiple locations in eastern Ladakh, standoff continues

New Delhi: The Chinese troops have “come in” about 3 km into Indian territory South East of the Galwan Valley, largely known as Hot Springs area in eastern Ladakh.

Sources in the know told ThePrint that Beijing has also moved in men at the “finger areas” of Pangong Lake while increasing build up on its side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC). The Pangong Lake’s northern bank juts forward like a palm, and the various protrusions are identified as “fingers” to demarcate territory.

Sources said that contrary to inputs of a large Chinese troop presence at Galwan Valley, the build-up is within the Chinese Claim Line (CCL), which is also considered as the LAC at local level.

Sources say that in Galwan, the CCL and the LAC are the same though no maps have been exchanged. They said that the understanding is at local level and Chinese objections to construction activities well within Indian territory was a surprise.

India has done “mirror deployment” on its side, in that it has matched every Chinese move.

However, the Chinese have come in near Patrol Point 14, 15 and the Gogra Post, which is 80 km South East of Galwan Valley, as crow flies, and is between the valley and Pangong Lake.

Sources told ThePrint that the Chinese have not crossed their CCL in these areas but they did accept that these areas are about 3 km within India’s perception of the LAC.

->Spoiler<-

‘No maps in the area’
The patrol points in these areas are named by numbers and Indian troops, a mix of Army and the ITBP personnel, patrol these points from time to time.

“No maps have been exchanged in this area between India and China demarcating what is the LAC,” a source explained. “Whatever understanding that is there is between the two Army at local level.”

Sources also underlined that there has not been any build-up in these areas besides the ones done earlier this month.

As reported by ThePrint, Chinese have brought in a large number of Border Defence Regiment (BDR) troops at various positions along the LAC. About 1,200-1,300 troops have come in at multiple locations even though the figures have varied.

ThePrint had also reported that Indian soldiers kept in reserve areas are being used to match up and reserves are being filled in. Sources said that India too has moved troops in these areas along with logistics set up which includes tents.

Acclimatisation is essential for deployment in these areas, which are above 14,000 feet.

Finger area domination is worrisome
While India asserts that the LAC starts at Finger 8, the Chinese claim it starts at Finger 2.

During the Kargil battle when troops were diverted from the area to fight Pakistan, China had stepped in and built a motorable road at Finger 4.

Sources said India, which “dominates” Finger 2, has been trying to construct a road further over the past few years that would have provided soldiers with the capability to move in vehicles and faster.

“The Chinese have built roads. So let us say that while Chinese troops would take about 15 minutes to reach a point, we would take about two and half hours. The road construction was happening between Finger 2-3,” a source said.

Following the clash on 5 February, the Chinese have moved in larger numbers of soldiers and vehicles to cut off Indian patrol capability.

While India claims the LAC is at Finger 8, the patrol used to take place up until about Finger 5 and anything beyond was always challenged.

Sources said that the importance of the finger area to the Chinese is that if they come west of Finger 4, they will have direct observation of Lukung, where Indian patrol boats are kept.

Moreover, they will be able to observe all of India’s movement in the Northern Bank and towards Marsmikla among others.

https://theprint.in/defence/chinese-...tinues/428304/

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I hope we don't mess with China further and start singing 'hindi chini bhai bhai'.

[Adijazz1706]

India will wait for it to blow over as they have no other choice. The Kalapani issue with Nepal is probably connected to this in some way

[Knight_Rider]

New Delhi: The Indian Army today denied reports that any of its soldiers were detained by Chinese troops in Ladakh. However, the Army did not reply to specific queries on whether jawans of the Indo Tibetan Border Police or ITBP, who were part of the joint patrol were detained before being released.
A statement from the army read, "There has been no detention of Indian soldiers at the borders. We categorically deny this." Sources have told NDTV that some jawans in a patrol party was detained by Chinese forces in Ladakh near the Pangong lake earlier this week, following a scuffle between the two sides.

The situation -- coming amid tensions along the Line of Actual Control -- was defused after a meeting of commanders from both sides. Sources said the Prime Minister's Office was briefed about the matter.

The spokesperson of the Indian Army, Colonel Aman Anand, was also not willing to respond to queries on whether any of the weapons carried by the ITBP jawans were snatched or lost.

On May 9, at least 15 to 20 members of the Indian patrol team were involved in hand to hand fighting at the high altitude picket. In a statement later, the army said, "Aggressive behaviour by the two sides resulted in minor injuries to troops. The two sides disengaged after dialogue and interaction at local level".

"Temporary and short duration face-offs between border guarding troops do occur as boundaries are not resolved. Incident of face off as referred to in the article did take place. Troops resolve such issues mutually as per established protocols," the statement read.

Senior home ministry officials said the situation was "volatile".

"The situation became very volatile last Wednesday when a scuffle between Indian jawans and the Chinese resulted in detention of some of our jawans but later they were released," a senior bureaucrat told NDTV.

According to him, in the scuffle, weapons of ITBP jawans were also snatched. "But eventually weapons were handed back and our jawans also came back," he said.

The Chinese transgression was well inside the Indian territory and the home ministry was informed that they were patrolling the Pangong lake on motor boats. The army earlier said Chinese helicopters were seen operating in the disputed region in Ladakh. In an interview to NDTV, the Chief Of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria said, "(Chinese) helicopter activity has seen a spurt" in Ladakh.

National Security Advisor Ajit Doval is being briefed on the situation every day, sources said. Army Chief General MM Naravane visited Leh, headquarters of the 14 Corps in Ladakh on Friday to assess the situation.

It was decided to strengthen security in the region and troops were stationed in the Galwan region - a flashpoint during the 1962 war. Additional troops have also been sent to the northern bank of Pangong Tso and Demchok.

The face-off between China and India started after China reportedly expressed its displeasure about the construction of a road and bridge in the Galwan area by India. "The road was constructed to help local population," a senior officer told NDTV.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indi...denies-2234310

Indian army also denied the capture of Abhinandan initially. Wait until the faces of Indian soldiers turn up on Chinese tv. Lekin woh Cinese unhay chai nahee kuch aur pillaien ge.

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Indian army also denied the capture of Abhinandan initially. Wait until the faces of Indian soldiers turn up on Chinese tv. Lekin woh Cinese unhay chai nahee kuch aur pillaien ge.

Bat soup?

[King-Misbah]

What is happening in Ladakh? Rumours around about Chinese forces in the area :s

[Bewal Express]

How can one set of troops arrest another? I was trying to think of a word to describe that, can someone help?

[Nostalgic]

How can one set of troops arrest another? I was trying to think of a word to describe that, can someone help?

Humiliating?

[King-Misbah]

Humiliating?

Nostalgic bhai, is this all topi drama happening between India and China. Armys throwing stones at each other lol.

[Bewal Express]

Humiliating?

Maybe the RSS fascists could be sent to the border to fight the Chinese

[Nostalgic]

Nostalgic bhai, is this all topi drama happening between India and China. Armys throwing stones at each other lol.

From what I've read, there's an ongoing attempted land grab by the Chinese. They've made inroads into Humsaaya Mulk-occupied Ladakh. Old school salami tactics. Whether they stay or leave after scoring a point remains to be seen.

[Nostalgic]

Maybe the RSS fascists could be sent to the border to fight the Chinese

They certainly should. Bharat Mata beckons.

[JaDed]

India will wait for it to blow over as they have no other choice. The Kalapani issue with Nepal is probably connected to this in some way

Hmm like what are the other choices.

[CricketCartoons]

Hmm like what are the other choices.

He says there are no other choices. Read carefully before being blinded by patriotism.

[JaDed]

He says there are no other choices. Read carefully before being blinded by patriotism.

As per him what could be other choices for other countries?. does that sound better?

[King-Misbah]

From what I've read, there's an ongoing attempted land grab by the Chinese. They've made inroads into Humsaaya Mulk-occupied Ladakh. Old school salami tactics. Whether they stay or leave after scoring a point remains to be seen.

Was Indian army having aamb when the Chinese came in? Or is the fear of not poking at the Chinese Dragon? How much area have China taken and itna sunaata Kyun hain bhai? With RSS, I thought even an inch can not be taken. I think if Pakistan was financially strong, India would have done jee hazoori.

[Nostalgic]

Was Indian army having aamb when the Chinese came in? Or is the fear of not poking at the Chinese Dragon? How much area have China taken and itna sunaata Kyun hain bhai? With RSS, I thought even an inch can not be taken. I think if Pakistan was financially strong, India would have done jee hazoori.

The trouble is that the Chinese are inscrutable, forever moving in mysterious ways. Why did they not take Leh when they took Aksai Chin? It would’ve been strategically advantageous to them and to us, and to the detriment of the Humsaaya Mulk. I wonder sometimes if a future resolution to this conflict would require convincing the Chinese into doing so. It’s not like Leh has too much in common with Kargil, nevermind Kashmir valley or Pakistan.

[WhenSultansBowled]

Was Indian army having aamb when the Chinese came in? Or is the fear of not poking at the Chinese Dragon? How much area have China taken and itna sunaata Kyun hain bhai? With RSS, I thought even an inch can not be taken. I think if Pakistan was financially strong, India would have done jee hazoori.

Indian army is only good at oppressing unarmed Kashmiris.

If Chinese have truly entered 3km into Indian territory then Indian army's incompetence is on an epic level

Pakistan GDP 2018: 314.6 billion dollars (0.314 trillion dollars)
India GDP 2018: 2.72 trillion dollars (almost 9 times bigger than Pak)
China GDP 2018: 13.61 trillion dollars (almost 6 times bigger than India)

Source: Google

Pakistan held its own when India came in its territory.
Let's see how India reacts.

[JaDed]

Was Indian army having aamb when the Chinese came in? Or is the fear of not poking at the Chinese Dragon? How much area have China taken and itna sunaata Kyun hain bhai? With RSS, I thought even an inch can not be taken. I think if Pakistan was financially strong, India would have done jee hazoori.

Pakistan was economically stronger in 1965,1971.

[King-Misbah]

Pakistan was economically stronger in 1965,1971.

Yes so true but I meant now with the current RSS gang/ BJP in control.

Anyhow, I dont want to troll any sensible Indian posters on this board. Many wise Indians besides the fanatics. Just like elsewhere else. I am just interested to know what's going on as there is very limited international media coverage.

[OldWarHorse]

Indian army also denied the capture of Abhinandan initially. Wait until the faces of Indian soldiers turn up on Chinese tv. Lekin woh Cinese unhay chai nahee kuch aur pillaien ge.

Yup...will take everything the army says with a pinch of salt. This face saving govt will go at lengths to protect its image. Will wait for the real story to come out.

[MP2011]

Had this happened under any other government, he would have cried endlessly beating his chest that it won't have happened under him.

Oh wait....

[MP2011]

That's the problem with not even sparing army from being politicised.

[CricketCartoons]

Had this happened under any other government, he would have cried endlessly beating his chest that it won't have happened under him.

Oh wait....

This is true. Under Modi's leadership, India hasn't lost any war against China or Pakistan.

[El Generico]

There are now reportedly close to 10,000 PLA troops on Indian soil. PLA has upping the ante and claimed the entire Galwan River valley. If PLA can enforce that claim, India's new road to Daulet Beg Oldi will be unusable. Sub-Sector North will be isolated.https://t.co/kbuEHFS5pi

— Ajai Shukla (@ajaishukla) May 26, 2020

According to an Indian analyst, around 10,000 soldiers are know on Indian soil. I am not familiar with the India/China conflict, is this something that routinely happens?

[Slog]

What really beggars belief for me is that on indian forums Ive been lurking on due to corona boredom and lot of right wing Indian social media there is literally no mention of this. As if this never happened. It’s not even a narrative war but there is just no trace

[pillionrider]

What really beggars belief for me is that on indian forums Ive been lurking on due to corona boredom and lot of right wing Indian social media there is literally no mention of this. As if this never happened. It’s not even a narrative war but there is just no trace

There are 3 more important things:
Tableeghis are the sole reason behind the virus in India.
We don't need Chinese stuff and won't use them.
Bill Gates crippled half a million Indian kids and has sinister plans with a vaccine.

[andy0204]

There are 3 more important things:
Tableeghis are the sole reason behind the virus in India.
We don't need Chinese stuff and won't use them.
Bill Gates crippled half a million Indian kids and has sinister plans with a vaccine.

Lol the irony.

[Hitman]

Lol the irony.

Sarcasm.

[Forward Defensive Push]

Indian army is so meek! Even civilians from other countries can manhandle them easily. Shameful losers.

[corneredtiger85292]

This aint gonna be pretty for our friends across the border lol. They best come to terms with reality ASAP

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

There are 3 more important things:
Tableeghis are the sole reason behind the virus in India.
We don't need Chinese stuff and won't use them.
Bill Gates crippled half a million Indian kids and has sinister plans with a vaccine.

70000 Realme mobile phones were sold under 3 minutes on Flipkart yesterday. This country is full of hypocrites and people with fake bravado.

[OldWarHorse]

One of the explanation Ive read is that the Chinese are scared of companies and manufacturing plants moving out to India and hence are trying to act aggressive towards us and divert attention. Yeah right...the chinese are scared of us.

[King-Misbah]

70000 Realme mobile phones were sold under 3 minutes on Flipkart yesterday. This country is full of hypocrites and people with fake bravado.

Who ever has financial dominance, they can dominate other countrys and regions. Tough reality of this world.

[Hermoine Green]

[Adijazz1706]

Good to see the notice is in Chines as well, literally Modi's 'unki hi bhasha mai jawab dena'

[Rajdeep]

India has decided not to stop road construction on its side of LAC in the Ladakh region

After detailed discussions within the security establishment, it has been decided that India must match Chinese mobilisation and not stop road construction on its side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the Ladakh region, top sources told India Today TV.

In a meeting chaired by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh with three service chiefs and CDS Gen Bipin Rawat on Tuesday to review the current situation in Ladakh amid the standoff with China and India’s response.

“The discussions carried on for over an hour where the minister was briefed about India’s response in matching up to the Chinese troops’ mobilisation,” said a source.

It was decided that while a resolution to the current situation will come through talks and diplomatic intervention, the Indian military must continue to hold on to its claims over the region.

Sources said the road constructions that have riled up China, must continue.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/stor...090-2020-05-26

China is slowly but surely learning the harsh lesson that its no longer 1960s and Congress no longer rules in India.

[angrypathan]

India has decided not to stop road construction on its side of LAC in the Ladakh region

After detailed discussions within the security establishment, it has been decided that India must match Chinese mobilisation and not stop road construction on its side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the Ladakh region, top sources told India Today TV.

In a meeting chaired by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh with three service chiefs and CDS Gen Bipin Rawat on Tuesday to review the current situation in Ladakh amid the standoff with China and India’s response.

“The discussions carried on for over an hour where the minister was briefed about India’s response in matching up to the Chinese troops’ mobilisation,” said a source.

It was decided that while a resolution to the current situation will come through talks and diplomatic intervention, the Indian military must continue to hold on to its claims over the region.

Sources said the road constructions that have riled up China, must continue.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/stor...090-2020-05-26

China is slowly but surely learning the harsh lesson that its no longer 1960s and Congress no longer rules in India.

Yep, I'm sure the Chinese are going to be having nightmares reading this. Continuing road construction, how very courageous of the Indians.

[JaDed]

This aint gonna be pretty for our friends across the border lol. They best come to terms with reality ASAP

Whats “this” exactly though? We are not war with them... no firing..

[Rajdeep]

Yep, I'm sure the Chinese are going to be having nightmares reading this. Continuing road construction, how very courageous of the Indians.

Think you are not well aware of this issue. The reason China and Indian soldiers are in a standoff because China was unhappy about a road built near the LAC in Ladakh. China demands India should stop construction activity and almost threatened us.

Today in the meeting our defence Minister along with Army head decided to continue with the construction work irrespective of Chinese threat

[Lonewarrior]

so Chinese are not building the road into Indian territory ? simple yes or no .....

[Abdullah719]

NDTV Exclusive: China Expands Airbase Near Ladakh, Fighter Jets On Tarmac

New Delhi: Satellite images show massive construction activity at a high altitude Chinese air base, located just 200 kilometres away from the Pangong Lake, the site of the skirmish between forces of India and China on May 5 and May 6.

Two images, exclusively sourced from the open source intelligence expert detresfa_ , an analyst with ShadowBreak Intl., show the Ngari Gunsa airport in Tibet. The first image is dated April 6, 2020 while the second one, dated May 21, this year, shows massive construction activity including the addition of what appears to be a second taxi-track or a secondary tarmac to position helicopters or combat aircraft. A third image shows a close-up of the main tarmac at the airport with a line-up of four fighter jets believed to be either J-11 or J-16 fighters of the Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force.



The J-11/J-16 are advanced, domestically produced variants of the Russian Sukhoi 27 and broadly match the capabilities of the Indian Air Forces Sukhoi 30 MKIs, its most potent fighter until the arrival of the first batch of Dassault Rafales in a few weeks.

A caption on close-up image with the fighters indicates that their deployment at this base was first spotted in December 2019. The close up images now released help spotters identify the type of fighters deployed.

The location of the Ngari Gunsa air base is particularly significant. A dual-use military and civil airport which serves the town of Shiquanhe in the Ngari prefecture, the airport is located at 14,022 feet, which makes it among the highest in the world.

The advantage gained by its location close to the Line of Actual Control is balanced by the reality that fighter jets deployed at such an altitude can only carry limited war-loads and fuels.

''The useful endurance of Chinese J-11 or J-16 fighters deployed at such altitudes will not be more than an hour,'' said Squadron Leader Sameer Joshi (retired), a former IAF fighter pilot and Kargil war veteran. ''The useful endurance of Indian Air Force fighters which deploy from multiple air bases in the plains could be more than three to four hours if air to air refuelling tankers are used.''



In simple terms, this means that IAF fighter jets deployed in the area can fly longer than Chinese fighters deployed at the air base. On the other hand, China can deploy fighters at Ngari over parts of Ladakh which now see a faceoff between Indian and Chinese forces.

Reports indicate that several thousand Chinese soldiers have either crossed or are very close to the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh. The skirmishes which began on May 5 this year have seen vicious hand-to-hand fighting between Indian and Chinese forces on the North bank of the Pangong Lake. The biggest area of concern is thought to be the Galwan River basin further North where Chinese forces are reported to have positioned themselves to threaten a road completed last year which leads up to Daulat Beg Oldie, a crucial Indian Air Force base in Ladakh which supplies Indian soldiers in the region.

Multiple meetings have been held between local commanders from the rank of Colonel to Major General in Ladakh but there has been no breakthrough at the moment. In Delhi, the Defence Minister Rajnath Singh held meetings with the Chief of Defence Staff and the Armed Forces Chief.

Yesterday, the Chinese Embassy in New Delhi offered to repatriate Chinese nationals in India if they wished, though flight tickets would need to be borne by Chinese nationals who wished to avail of the services. The standoff between Indian and Chinese forces has been described as India worst border tension since Kargil in 1999.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/chin...lusive-2235487

[chinaman00]

Good to see the notice is in Chines as well, literally Modi's 'unki hi bhasha mai jawab dena'

LOL!

The paper tiger shown its place. The Chinese troops attacked the Indians with “ long nail-studded wooden clubs“ inflicting serious injuries on a major and a colonel of the Indian army. A Chinese chopper chased an Indian helicopter carrying a Corp commander. Meanwhile, the supapowa is pleading with the Chinese forces using hilarious placards. Total madness

https://twitter.com/narangvipin/stat...872753665?s=21

[cricketjoshila]

Lol at few pakistanis on this thread. Since their army cant do much to get Kashmir, now they are thinking lets cheer the chinese.

The chinese are trying to put pressure because of 3 reasons.

1.Indian infrastructure built up near the LAC. Esp near Daulat beg Oldie.

2. India now heads the executive board at WHO and china wants to scuttle any moves into the independent probe of the Covid 19 virus.

3. India is looking to attract any company that wants to leave China.

[Kianig89]

[Romali_rotti]

In a way, I kind of want China to continue their border aggression, it will trigger the whole world to act on China. Americans and the European countries are already backing India, maybe for the good of the world hopefully this could lead to a take down of China..

Who does China have backing them >? Russians may remain neutral due to their second largest defense buyer India and they also have border issues with China.

Pakistan ? lol
Sri Lanka ?
Nepal ?

Hopefully with the Hong Kong, Taiwan, India (border aggression against the largest democracy by a communist wont be viewed favorably by majority of the world), US, Europe all on the same side against China, the majority of the world will focus on China and that may finally be the nail in their coffin or damage them considerably.

[chinaman00]

Paper tigers. Can you imagine them doing this against Nepal or Kashmiris? All bark and no bite. I was reading an opinion piece on the Global Times, a mouthpiece of the communist party earlier and it’s fascinating to see how the Chinese view the Indians.

“ Although China's relationship with the US is tense, the international environment for China is much better than it was in 1962 when India started and crushingly defeated in a border war with China. In 1962, the national strength of China and India were comparable. Today by stark contrast, China's GDP is about five times that of India” https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1189472.shtml

On this forum, Indian posters routinely tout their economic prowess against Pakistan, a country much smaller; but India’s actual economic progress when measured against the Chinese is quite telling and shows a serious disparity. India and China are essentially equals in terms of population and size but that’s nearly where the similarity ends

The GDP per capita of China is almost $10k
The GDP per capita of India is less than $2k and in fact closer to Pakistan.

[cricketjoshila]

I am sure you wouldn't post these pics.

https://images-assettype-com.cdn.amp..._44_26_PM.jpeg

[sweep_shot]

What's going on? Things are heating up.

Are we near a major war?

[the Great Khan]

In a way, I kind of want China to continue their border aggression, it will trigger the whole world to act on China. Americans and the European countries are already backing India, maybe for the good of the world hopefully this could lead to a take down of China..

Who does China have backing them >? Russians may remain neutral due to their second largest defense buyer India and they also have border issues with China.

Pakistan ? lol
Sri Lanka ?
Nepal ?

Hopefully with the Hong Kong, Taiwan, India (border aggression against the largest democracy by a communist wont be viewed favorably by majority of the world), US, Europe all on the same side against China, the majority of the world will focus on China and that may finally be the nail in their coffin or damage them considerably.

the whole world? your going to be in for a very rude shock. Nobody will support you if this thing goes hot. You may get the americans providing some assistance but they are unreliable allies and you will be left to pick up the pieces. China doesn't need allies in this situation. The Russians will support them, so will Pakistan. Those are the only two they will need. PAF pilots may even help the PLAAF as we have been working together since 2010/11. There is nothing you can do to the Chinese. Zilch. they will keeping moving forward and taking more of your territory.

All you've got is some signs. Thats it. Your PM will be in Beijing begging like the chai wala he is..

I suspect your side to back down pretty soon. And your media will go quiet. soon nobody will talk about it.

[Romali_rotti]

the whole world? your going to be in for a very rude shock. Nobody will support you if this thing goes hot.

Says you, however the majority of the world is against China now, even a nobody country like Australia .


You may get the americans providing some assistance but they are unreliable allies and you will be left to pick up the pieces. China doesn't need allies in this situation. The Russians will support them,

In regards to the Russians, its touch and go, Russia and India have a treaty where they have to help each other during a war, during the war with Pakistan back in the day, Americans were sending their ships to the Indian ocean to help Pakistan only to find out it was infested with Russian Submarines in Indian waters and the Americans pulled back.. Russians also have border disputes with China.

so will Pakistan.

Nobody cares about this one. Yes China can have Pakistan , although I get the feeling Americans may interfere and handicap Pak in such a scenario

Those are the only two they will need. PAF pilots may even help the PLAAF as we have been working together since 2010/11. There is nothing you can do to the Chinese. Zilch. they will keeping moving forward and taking more of your territory.

You are confused did I say India alone will win a war vs China ? I said if (hopefully) majority of the world joins forces then China can be dented. Go re-read my post again.

All you've got is some signs. Thats it. Your PM will be in Beijing begging like the chai wala he is..

I suspect your side to back down pretty soon. And your media will go quiet. soon nobody will talk about it.

A Pakistani fantasy and nothing more and also NO you will never get Indian Kashmir

.. Bold..

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

In a way, I kind of want China to continue their border aggression, it will trigger the whole world to act on China. Americans and the European countries are already backing India, maybe for the good of the world hopefully this could lead to a take down of China..

Who does China have backing them >? Russians may remain neutral due to their second largest defense buyer India and they also have border issues with China.

Pakistan ? lol
Sri Lanka ?
Nepal ?

Hopefully with the Hong Kong, Taiwan, India (border aggression against the largest democracy by a communist wont be viewed favorably by majority of the world), US, Europe all on the same side against China, the majority of the world will focus on China and that may finally be the nail in their coffin or damage them considerably.

Yeah why not lol. Do you want to see a war happening between India and China desperately? Is that because you are sitting outside of India and not affected by this?

[Romali_rotti]

One of the explanation Ive read is that the Chinese are scared of companies and manufacturing plants moving out to India and hence are trying to act aggressive towards us and divert attention. Yeah right...the chinese are scared of us.

I don't know if what you are typing is sarcasm, however this seems like a strategic plan to warn India that if it joins majority of the world in Condemning China for the Chinese virus then they are going to make things uncomfortable for India. This is a golden opportunity majority of the world sees China as a threat, there is probably not a better chance to cripple them if the rest join hands...

[andy0204]

In a way, I kind of want China to continue their border aggression, it will trigger the whole world to act on China. Americans and the European countries are already backing India, maybe for the good of the world hopefully this could lead to a take down of China..

Who does China have backing them >? Russians may remain neutral due to their second largest defense buyer India and they also have border issues with China.

Pakistan ? lol
Sri Lanka ?
Nepal ?

Hopefully with the Hong Kong, Taiwan, India (border aggression against the largest democracy by a communist wont be viewed favorably by majority of the world), US, Europe all on the same side against China, the majority of the world will focus on China and that may finally be the nail in their coffin or damage them considerably.

Are u forgetting North Korea which threatened America with nukes?
It's not that Iam supporting China but atleast do some research.

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I am sure you wouldn't post these pics.

https://images-assettype-com.cdn.amp..._44_26_PM.jpeg

I am sure you wouldn't post the full article here and why and where that picture was taken. Let me help you a bit.

Chinese Troops Came 12 Km Into Arunachal: BJP’s Tapir Gao

Chinese troops reportedly entered 12 km into the Indian territory in Arunachal Pradesh sometime in July-August this year. This revelation was made by Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Tapir Gao on Tuesday, 10 December.

According to Gao, soldiers from the neighbouring country walked at least 12 km into the Indian side of the Anrella Valley in the state's Dibang Valley district.

Pictures and videos from the area have now emerged which seem to point towards the alleged transgression.

Andrella Valley falls on the northeastern side of Mipi, which is the last administrative circle of the district.

“Until unless there is a proper border demarcation, we will face this frequently,” he said.

In a video that has now surfaced, Chinese Army men are seen speaking with the Indian soldiers and asking them to leave the place. The Chinese soldiers are also seen holding their national flag.

According to Gao, the Chinese soldiers made the Indian Army personnel dismantle their own summer camp which was built for a routine patrol. The Indian Army had to dismantle the camp and return the same day, he said.

The Chinese Army transgressed into Indian territory 1,025 times between 2016 and 2018, according to government data.

The number of transgressions in 2016 was 273, which rose to 426 in 2017. The number of such cases reported in 2018 was 326, as per details provided by the Union Minister of State for Defence Shripad Naik to Lok Sabha on 27 November.

https://www.thequint.com/news/india/...camp-tapir-gao

[Romali_rotti]

Yeah why not lol. Do you want to see a war happening between India and China desperately? Is that because you are sitting outside of India and not affected by this?

No, I don't want a war between India and China, that would be good news for Pseudo Seculars like you and Arundhati Roy,

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Are u forgetting North Korea which threatened America with nukes?
It's not that Iam supporting China but atleast do some research.

You are expecting too much from a Pappu supporter.

[Kianig89]

I don't know if what you are typing is sarcasm, however this seems like a strategic plan to warn India that if it joins majority of the world in Condemning China for the Chinese virus then they are going to make things uncomfortable for India. This is a golden opportunity majority of the world sees China as a threat, there is probably not a better chance to cripple them if the rest join hands...

What Allama Iqbal said sits perfectly on you

Kaafir ho to Shamshir p krta ha bharosa

Momin hai to be taig p larrta ha sipahi

He depends on the sword if he lacks in faith:
If he has faith he may need no weapons in the fight.

[Syed1]

Humiliation after humiliation for India



Modi hai tu mumkin hai

[Rajdeep]

PM Modi’s ‘Doklam team’ back in action to stand up to China in Ladakh

India has pushed in high altitude warfare troops with support elements to the eastern Ladakh theatre to counter Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) aggressive posture designed to browbeat the government to stop building border infrastructure in the Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO) sector as it may threaten the Lhasa-Kashgar highway in Aksai Chin. The specialised Indian troops are familiar with the Tibetan Autonomous Region of China and are tuned for operating at rarefied altitudes.

The scale of PLA deployment - two brigades strength and more - indicates that the move has the sanction of Beijing and not limited to local military commanders.

“From Australia to Hong Kong to Taiwan to the South China Sea to India and right up to the US, a bellicose China is staring at the world for domination at all costs,” said a senior government official after a meeting convened by Prime Minister Narendra Modi to review the situation on Tuesday.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india...hwExg90ZM.html

As I said yesterday, China is slowly but surely realizing its not 1960s and Congress no longer rules in India.

[Rana]

In a way, I kind of want China to continue their border aggression, it will trigger the whole world to act on China. Americans and the European countries are already backing India, maybe for the good of the world hopefully this could lead to a take down of China..

Who does China have backing them >? Russians may remain neutral due to their second largest defense buyer India and they also have border issues with China.

Pakistan ? lol
Sri Lanka ?
Nepal ?

Hopefully with the Hong Kong, Taiwan, India (border aggression against the largest democracy by a communist wont be viewed favorably by majority of the world), US, Europe all on the same side against China, the majority of the world will focus on China and that may finally be the nail in their coffin or damage them considerably.

you want to laugh at Pakistan knowing that they can Nuke India back into the year 5000bc?

[pillionrider]

You are expecting too much from a Pappu supporter.

That will hurt.

[Romali_rotti]

you want to laugh at Pakistan knowing that they can Nuke India back into the year 5000bc?

You don't get it... I will explain, I was comparing countries that have influence around the world that would back China. The 3 countries I mentioned that would be backing China are broke and hold not much to any significance in the international political arena. I do not believe India/China shove and push will ever get to a nuclear war, if it did, the world will be finished, however that doesn't mean the world cant come together against China.

[Bewal Express]

If you look at IK's statements in the last few weeks and his warnings about a false flag attack, you realise that Chinese had the same intelligence. This is a warning to the Hindutuva not to push their luck and create misadventures which if it involves PK-Ind becomes Izzat, bezti and a wrong move by either side could lead to nuclear war.

[cricketjoshila]

you want to laugh at Pakistan knowing that they can Nuke India back into the year 5000bc?

India can do that to Pakistan. Quicker. So unless pakistan wants total annihilation of itself, no one is going to use nukes.

[Rana]

You don't get it... I will explain, I was comparing countries that have influence around the world that would back China. The 3 countries I mentioned that would be backing China are broke and hold not much to any significance in the international political arena. I do not believe India/China shove and push will ever get to a nuclear war, if it did, the world will be finished, however that doesn't mean the world cant come together against China.

significant influence? who actually has any significant influence? whos actually going to unite against China to support India? If you think that the US are going to further destroy their economy to stand up against China to help India, then you seriously have drawn up an amazing script for a bollywood movie, something a poster on this forum does very well most of the time. Do you see the US going after China to recover the trillions of dollars its lost due to Covid? No, but it would do well to sell arms to the gullible indian defence market only for them to not have the skilled operators to handle the weapons.

I think the whole covid 19 scenario should help delusional Indians realise where they actually stand, and where the world actually stands with them. Im not sure that the Indian army can deal with two nuclear armies causing issues on their borders, especially when its soldiers are being manhandled by Kashmiri civilians.

[cricketjoshila]

If you look at IK's statements in the last few weeks and his warnings about a false flag attack, you realise that Chinese had the same intelligence. This is a warning to the Hindutuva not to push their luck and create misadventures which if it involves PK-Ind becomes Izzat, bezti and a wrong move by either side could lead to nuclear war.

IK has been giving statements on twitter for months. Hardly anyone in India even cares to respond. Thats how immaterial it is.

India will respond if provoked.

[the Great Khan]

he whole world? your going to be in for a very rude shock. Nobody will support you if this thing goes hot.

Says you, however the majority of the world is against China now, even a nobody country like Australia .
The world is american allies.At this moment in time they are all dealing with the potential destruction of their economies due to Covid. Australia is small fry to China. Their economy is increasingly becoming asia centric and ultimately money talks. The chinese will simply use their diplomacy and economic leverage to deal with them.

You may get the americans providing some assistance but they are unreliable allies and you will be left to pick up the pieces. China doesn't need allies in this situation. The Russians will support them,

In regards to the Russians, its touch and go, Russia and India have a treaty where they have to help each other during a war, during the war with Pakistan back in the day, Americans were sending their ships to the Indian ocean to help Pakistan only to find out it was infested with Russian Submarines in Indian waters and the Americans pulled back.. Russians also have border disputes with China.

the key word is war. War has to be declared for treaties to come into effect. the Chinese will never declare war. They will simply take the territory and increase the pressure. If their are incidents e.g. cross border issues they will deal with them short of a war declaration scenario e.g. balakot/swift retort. Russia will stay quiet. Their economy is in a danegr zone due to their covid crisis and aging population. The Russian state is in an existential crisis so will not anger the Chinese over the Indians.

so will Pakistan.

Nobody cares about this one. Yes China can have Pakistan , although I get the feeling Americans may interfere and handicap Pak in such a scenario

The Americans wont be allowed to interfere in this area. If we want to help China we will. The americans will also be keen to ensure India doesnt get too above its station either so are happy to turn a blind eye when it suits them e.g. swift retort.

Those are the only two they will need. PAF pilots may even help the PLAAF as we have been working together since 2010/11. There is nothing you can do to the Chinese. Zilch. they will keeping moving forward and taking more of your territory.

You are confused did I say India alone will win a war vs China ? I said if (hopefully) majority of the world joins forces then China can be dented. Go re-read my post again.

There is no "hopefully", the west will not be seen to take sides in a border dispute where a fascist chai wala is puffing his chest against the worlds economic power. The Eu will not actively invovle itself in any major border dispute. This is going to be something India and China will have to work out. And China will always have the upperhand here.

All you've got is some signs. Thats it. Your PM will be in Beijing begging like the chai wala he is..

I suspect your side to back down pretty soon. And your media will go quiet. soon nobody will talk about it.

A Pakistani fantasy and nothing more and also NO you will never get Indian Kashmir

Lol, we'll see. Never is a word that doesn't exist in geopolitics. two years ago the SU30 was invincible, not any more. and so forth. Your side will back down. This is inevitable. When it ahppens I'll come back and remind you as i did when I clearly pointed out teh short comings of your SU30's a year before feb27th.

[the Great Khan]

IK has been giving statements on twitter for months. Hardly anyone in India even cares to respond. Thats how immaterial it is.

India will respond if provoked.

and will face a even bigger response. India isnt ever provoked. They are the provoker in this case. Next time we wont be so restrained.

[Rana]

IK has been giving statements on twitter for months. Hardly anyone in India even cares to respond. Thats how immaterial it is.

India will respond if provoked.

You didnt respond after the 27th february act of clear aggression by the PAF, barking dogs seldom bite brother.

[the Great Khan]

You didnt respond after the 27th february act of clear aggression by the PAF, barking dogs seldom bite brother.

on the contrary they became a laughing stock in aviation circles. A joke.

[Rana]

Right now there is a clear act of provocation by the Chinese army, please respond. And not with placards politely informing the Chinese that this land belongs to India.

[Mesozoic]

You didnt respond after the 27th february act of clear aggression by the PAF, barking dogs seldom bite brother.

And you didn't respond when we

1. cut off half of your country
2. "Occupied" more than half of your"jugular vein" .
3.Stripped off it's autonomy giving zero flying hoots to your twitter ranting PM.

Yep. Barking dogs seldom bite.

[Local.Dada]

You didnt respond after the 27th february act of clear aggression by the PAF, barking dogs seldom bite brother.

So let’s deconstruct this with logic, In the history of the world, how many wars have ended after 1 pilot got captured?

Also let’s say Pakistan showed their defense supremacy by capturing an Indian pilot, how come Modi immediately within weeks takes a decision on Kashmir and openly taunts Pakistan army and government but all he gets in return are tweets and name calling. Hmmm doesn’t seem to me like an action of a coward who got a befitting reply. Does it?

[Rana]

And you didn't respond when we

1. cut off half of your country
2. "Occupied" more than half of your"jugular vein" .
3.Stripped off it's autonomy giving zero flying hoots to your twitter ranting PM.

Yep. Barking dogs seldom bite.

Oh so you admit that its Pakistan now? Your soldiers are being killed on a daily basis in Kashmir. This series of killing armed forces of Kashmir is going to remain forever, let that sink in. Why would Pakistan sacrifice its soldiers by deploying them into the region when the regional people are already stuffing the Indian army with self accessible resources?

[Mesozoic]

I mean it's hilarious how for people here, the world begins and ends with "Feb 27".

Much weaker countries like Syria (downed a Russian su-24) and Iraq (shot down an USAF f-18) have shot down jets of much stronger militaries. But that means zilch in the grander scheme of things. Everyone and their dog knows what the result would be if a full on war breaks out. Everyone else is just fake bravado and soothing egos.

[Rana]

So let’s deconstruct this with logic, In the history of the world, how many wars have ended after 1 pilot got captured?

Also let’s say Pakistan showed their defense supremacy by capturing an Indian pilot, how come Modi immediately within weeks takes a decision on Kashmir and openly taunts Pakistan army and government but all he gets in return are tweets and name calling. Hmmm doesn’t seem to me like an action of a coward who got a befitting reply. Does it?

I will let @Syed1 remind you about what happened on the 27th of February and whether it was just the loss/capture of 1 pilot. The question I posed was about "India will respond if provoked". From a neutral point of view, Indian airspace and their Army bases were seriously violated by the PAF on the 27th of February, India held the escalation ladder at that very moment yet they did not choose to excercise their opportunity to respond do this provocation. so tell me now, why are the bakhts always barking for their Army here?

[Bewal Express]

IK has been giving statements on twitter for months. Hardly anyone in India even cares to respond. Thats how immaterial it is.

India will respond if provoked.

I think the Chinese have given their response. Do you have the balls to respond?

[Romali_rotti]

Lol, we'll see. Never is a word that doesn't exist in geopolitics. two years ago the SU30 was invincible, not any more. and so forth. Your side will back down. This is inevitable. When it ahppens I'll come back and remind you as i did when I clearly pointed out teh short comings of your SU30's a year before feb27th.

So you pretty much came back with No I am right post.. This is why I love this India vs Pakistan thing. We both right and never wrong .. Anyway with respect to you, and yes I do like you as a poster here and hold you in high regard, lets agree to disagree.

In Regards to Sukhoi, yes you are correct, it is not as good as advertised, I found this out doing my own research not from what you have said though...