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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    What do you think about Pant?
    Do you think he will have a long career at test level.
    Pathetic WK - without IPL, he probably won’t have kept for his FC side. But, kid has very good future in T20, may be even in ODI as well for his explosive batting capability and you don’t need much of a WK in T20s. A WK’s ultimate test is keeping against spinners, particularly on turners; for an Indian WK, it should be like second religion - kid is horrible n that; let alone snicks, not sure how many stumping she can collect in Test matches where WK gets a fraction of a second for stumping, unlike LO cricket, where often batsmen are stumped by a metre.

    He is not a natural WK - movement poor, anticipation is even worse, footwork nonexistent and most painfully, he doesn’t gather the ball rather snatches it; fitness & structure is not suitable either. If he tries to be a Test WK, might loose both ends. On contrary, Saha is exactly what you look for a natural WK, even his structure & shape is also perfect - even if I take couple of years in his certificate, still he should be good enough for 2-3 years as Test specialist.

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    Australia played five Tests at home against
    Pakistan and New Zealand in the summer just gone.

    Rizwan had Test scores in Australia of

    37 and 95
    0 and 45

    Rizwan scored 177 runs in 4 innings at an average of 44.25.

    Watling had scores against the same opposition the same summer of

    8 and 40
    7 and 22
    9 and 19

    Watling scored 105 runs in 6 innings at an average of 17.50.

    Immediately after in the home series v India BJ Watling scored

    14 and Did Not Bat
    0 and Did Not Bat

    Watling has been a great servant to NZ. But he is in clear decline, while I think that Rizwan is now ahead of De Kock as the world’s best wicketkeeper-batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    @MMHS
    Australia played five Tests at home against
    Pakistan and New Zealand in the summer just gone.

    Rizwan had Test scores in Australia of

    37 and 95
    0 and 45

    Rizwan scored 177 runs in 4 innings at an average of 44.25.

    Watling had scores against the same opposition the same summer of

    8 and 40
    7 and 22
    9 and 19

    Watling scored 105 runs in 6 innings at an average of 17.50.

    Immediately after in the home series v India BJ Watling scored

    14 and Did Not Bat
    0 and Did Not Bat

    Watling has been a great servant to NZ. But he is in clear decline, while I think that Rizwan is now ahead of De Kock as the world’s best wicketkeeper-batsman.
    You unnecessarily drag any argument totally out of context to establish your flawed logic until someone has to stop you not so smoothly - just few days back you dragged me to point out that you didn't see much of that Gabba Test despite being in the stadium.

    You have rated WKs out of 10 based on their overall career, based on which by your own scoring Rizwan is at per with Watling & just a shed behind Gilchrist - his potential could be endless, but what's the point of bragging two Tests in Australia that Rizwan had a better score? After that AUS series, he has played three Tests at home against much inferior attack/team and his scores are 4, 21* & 10 = 35 runs at 17.50 - ideally now I should pull him down to counter your logic, but that's not necessary because I also do rate the guy. If you have rated 50 years old Gilchrist here then I actually think you have overestimated Adam Gilchrist - surely, he can't be 10% better than Rizwan now.

    That De Kock comparison is the icing on the cake though - that makes 9 SAF, that will struggle to get into PAK C team. OK - 8 in C team and De Kock in A team. That's why I already have written that PAK's WK stocks are in safe hands - richest in world.

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    Adam Gilchrist turns 50 today-Amongst top 10 cricketers ever?

    Today Adam Gilchrist turns50.Arguably no cricketer in his day was as dynamic or volatile or could as single handedly turn a match.I simply can't forget the manner he simply blazed away when the chips were down to ressurect his team from the grave to attain glory.Gilchrist took bowling domination to regions unexplored,reminding one of a bomber raiding an airbase.His cavalier style of batting was a joy for spectators.Perhaps no cricketer after Viv Richards was as intimidating ,including Virendra Sehwag.It was routine to see Gilchrist strike thunder and lightning on the cricket field.Gilly was capable of inventing strokes to belittle the greatest bowlers.Nonone better delivered a knockout punch,or hijack a game better,to take a bowling attack to submission.When he exploded he was simply unbowlable.No cricketer of his time could give such a dramatic twist to a game,like a sensational turn in the plot of an epic movie.


    In the first half of his career Gilchrist averaged over 60.which no batmen at 5 down ever did.In the latter half he strangely averaged around 36.Since Clyde Walcott had a better batting average.Only 4 batsmen have ever averaged more than 60 in test cricket after completing 20 innings.In the end he bid farewell to test cricket scoring 5570 runs ,at an average of 47.61.

    Perhaps more than even Ricky Ponting and Shane Warne,Gilchrist was responsible for turning Australia into one of the best test and ODI sides of all time.

    To me his unbeaten 149 at Hobart of just 163 balls against Pakistan to ressurect Australia from dire straits to achieve a famous victory was his best test innings.On a most challenging track Gilchrist was reminiscent f a surgeon performing a successful operation who wason the verge of death.It was an exhibition of mental tenacity at it's peak and strokeplay of the highest calibre.His double century in South Africa at Johannesburg of a mere 212 balls was another classic and so was his 149 in the 2007 world cup final.In 2005 at Christchurch his 121 turned the game 360 degrees.At Kandy in 2004,batting at no 3 he compiled a masterpiece scoring 144 from 185 balls.


    It is pertinent that he was at his best against the most powerful South African team,home and away.Gilchrist also gave outstanding performances in the sub-continent and England,He was one of the major architects of Australia regaining the Ashes as well as winning in the sub-continent.

    As an opening batsmen in ODI cricket,in terms of sheer impact he surpassed all.Wasim Akram and Waqar Younus felt he was a more daunting proposition than anyone.


    Statistically he was the greatest match-winner of his day,In that light he even overshadowed the likes of Tendulkar and Lara.In 24 of his first 30 tests he was on the winning side. Gilchrist scored 5266 runs in winning causes in tests ,more than 90 %of his total run aggregate and 14 out of his 16 test centuries were scored in winning causes.

    The strike rate of Adam Gilchrist is the second best ever,at 82,62 pr hundred balls.Blending his batting average with his average and number of tests played,makes Gilchrist a strong contender for a place amongst the very greatest.

    As a wicket keeper Gilchrist averaged more dismissals per test than any wicket keeper.

    Above all he was a great sportsman ,who always walked,regardless of the decision of the umpire.This feature is almost non existent today.I can never forget when he walked when given not out in the 2003 world cup semi-final and his sporting declaration at Leeds in 2001.


    Cristopher Martin Jenkins and Geoff Armstrong place Gilly amongst the 10 best cricketers of all,even ahead of Brian Lara ,Wasim Akram ,Glen Mcgrath and Richard Hadlee.However David Gower ranks him at 40th place ,much below Jenkins and Armstrong.Overall in my view Gilchrist would rank around 20th amongst the all-time great cricketers.By a nose I would rate Wasim and Lara ahead.Amongst Australain cricketers I would rank Gilly below only Bradman,,Warne Lillee,Greg Chapell,Ricky Pontinga and Ray Lindwall. Amongst left-handed cricketers only Sobers,Wasim Akram, and Lara rate above him in my view.I took into account that he was not the best ever behind the stumps ,batted at 5 down and payed for a champion team.I would have loved to have seen Gilchrist play for a weak side like Lara ,which may have been his true test.

    It is hard to choose between Alan Knott,,Gilchrist and AB Devillers for an all-time test XI. Knott was a better keeper while Devillers was a more innovative batsmen.

    Overall I would rank Gilchrist as the best match-winner of his day with Inzamam and the most explosive batsman of his time with Sehwag.
    Last edited by Harsh Thakor; 14th November 2021 at 13:13.

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    Gilchrist has to be among the top 5 cricketers of all time. Changed the game, raised the standard of it significantly. Only Australian captain to have won in India in the last 50 years as well.

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