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  • He'll be back, even better than before

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  • He'll he able to get back to his 2017 CT form

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  • He will return but won't be as good as before

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  • He has no chance, his international career is over

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    But but but...he is finished and success has got to his head.
    We have a tendency to do this with injured folks. Remember Shoaib Akhtar?

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    The fact that he can bat is massive because our tail is far too long as it currently stands.

    Realistically there's only one space which is currently occupied by Naseem Shah. Naseem has an opportunity to end any debate about Hassan returning to the team on this NZ tour.

    If Naseem performs then Hassan will probably continue to toil in domestics.

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    Team for SA series should be something like this. Granted they make turning tracks.

    Shan
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    Babar
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    Everybody can hold a bat. 4 genuine bowlers, 2 decent part time options in Talat, Haris/Saud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    We have a tendency to do this with injured folks. Remember Shoaib Akhtar?
    The "success got to his head" argument was so dumb, especially for Hasan. Even while he's been injured for the past year, he's been fitter than 90% of the players we've played in that time. Commitment was never his issue, injuries were.

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    Hasan was mediocre even before his injury, why are people excited? He is too short to be a good fast bowler

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    The "success got to his head" argument was so dumb, especially for Hasan. Even while he's been injured for the past year, he's been fitter than 90% of the players we've played in that time. Commitment was never his issue, injuries were.
    Same thing being done with Amir. Poor guyís body is giving up on him at the probable age of 30-31 and people think he just wants to make a quick buck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyWarsFan View Post
    Hasan was mediocre even before his injury, why are people excited? He is too short to be a good fast bowler
    Yup a mediocre bowler who was number one in the odi bowler rankings for a good while, while also being the player of the tournament in an icc trophy he won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyWarsFan View Post
    Hasan was mediocre even before his injury, why are people excited? He is too short to be a good fast bowler
    Even after a poor run of form due to injuries for 1/4 of his international career, this mediocre player still averages 29 in ODIs and Tests. While not ground breaking, it's better than a lot of other players. Compare it to someone like Bhuvneshwar Kumar who averages 34 in ODIs but is a first choice player for India.

    Also not to forget his batting. He's young too, only 26. Height is just something his detractors will bring up the second he has 1-2 bad games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Same thing being done with Amir. Poor guy’s body is giving up on him at the probable age of 30-31 and people think he just wants to make a quick buck.
    I don't agree in terms of Amir. He never looked like he even worked on his body much. He was a twig 12 years ago, and somehow looked even skinnier after his comeback. With Hasan not only could you see the work he was putting in because he was always posting it, you can actually tell just by looking at his body that he works on himself. Can't say the same about Amir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Same thing being done with Amir. Poor guy’s body is giving up on him at the probable age of 30-31 and people think he just wants to make a quick buck.
    Most of these critics will jump to a better opportunity if presented but will judge Amir for his career choices. What is wrong in financially securing future of his family?. Cricketers have a small career span and frankly there is no reward of being a test cricketer unless you are from England or Australia. Even in India here, no one cares about test specialists like Ishant, Pujara, Vihari etc. General perception is cricketers who cant play T20, play test cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Same thing being done with Amir. Poor guyís body is giving up on him at the probable age of 30-31 and people think he just wants to make a quick buck.
    Amir's case is different.
    Hasan works and trains hard. Amir doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    Even after a poor run of form due to injuries for 1/4 of his international career, this mediocre player still averages 29 in ODIs and Tests. While not ground breaking, it's better than a lot of other players. Compare it to someone like Bhuvneshwar Kumar who averages 34 in ODIs but is a first choice player for India.

    Also not to forget his batting. He's young too, only 26. Height is just something his detractors will bring up the second he has 1-2 bad games.
    The issue is first of all, he was out of form even before the injuries. Look at how he was in the 3 Test series in SA in 2018/19. He was spraying the new ball around at 4+ an over and wasn't really constantly striking.

    Next is the England ODI series and then WC 2019. His bowling was very poor, he was not very tight with it and thus was getting for tons of runs and didn't look like ever taking a wicket.

    Thats the issue and that's why I'm doubtful he will ever be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyWarsFan View Post
    The issue is first of all, he was out of form even before the injuries. Look at how he was in the 3 Test series in SA in 2018/19. He was spraying the new ball around at 4+ an over and wasn't really constantly striking.

    Next is the England ODI series and then WC 2019. His bowling was very poor, he was not very tight with it and thus was getting for tons of runs and didn't look like ever taking a wicket.

    Thats the issue and that's why I'm doubtful he will ever be good.
    He was not fully fit in that 2018/19 season, he had issues going on but wanted to pull through for the World Cup. And that's my point, even after being poor for 1/3 of his career he's still averaging 29 which many other bowlers could only dream of. Expect those averages to go down once he makes his comeback.

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    What I love about HA is the fact that he's not shy to put in the hard yards. He's still highly motivated to make a comeback and with an attitude like that, one is, more often than not, destined to succeed.

    The sad part is that PCB is shockingly poor when it comes to offering support in terms of quality rehab for injured players. HA is truly on his own and that's a dangerous territory to be in. You often hear of players aggravating their minor injuries due to lack of support and rehab knowledge. I hope HA comes out of this stronger than before!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    I don't agree in terms of Amir. He never looked like he even worked on his body much. He was a twig 12 years ago, and somehow looked even skinnier after his comeback. With Hasan not only could you see the work he was putting in because he was always posting it, you can actually tell just by looking at his body that he works on himself. Can't say the same about Amir.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    Amir's case is different.
    Hasan works and trains hard. Amir doesn't.
    I actually think they have the same issue - lack of appropriate expertise and advice. Amir is too insistent to approach anyone about his problems, while Hassan Aliís recurring injuries have been because of flaws in his workout technique.

    Hassan does work harder, but hard work is not always smart work. Just a few days ago, he posted a video of him working out where he kept locking his elbows under heavy weight and this was brought up out of concern by a couple of online fitness guys to Grant Bradburn.

    Hereís the workout video:



    Iím not an expert myself, but Iíve seen technical analyses before on other occasions where his form has not been up to the mark. You can put it down to bad infrastructure at the NHPC (and I do) but if Hassan Ali even remotely follows his social media, he should be vetting every workout he does through a qualified trainer.

    Evidently, since he has continued to post videos of dodgy form while working out, it is clear that is not the case.

    I hope he stays fit now as he is a very valuable commodity for the Pakistan team - only time will tell. But there are certainly asterisks attached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    He was not fully fit in that 2018/19 season, he had issues going on but wanted to pull through for the World Cup. And that's my point, even after being poor for 1/3 of his career he's still averaging 29 which many other bowlers could only dream of. Expect those averages to go down once he makes his comeback.
    Oh okay, I didn't know that. I assumed he was fully fit if that's the case that's good and I hope he can hope back to form, his batting will be useful. The extra competition is always good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    I actually think they have the same issue - lack of appropriate expertise and advice. Amir is too insistent to approach anyone about his problems, while Hassan Ali’s recurring injuries have been because of flaws in his workout technique.

    Hassan does work harder, but hard work is not always smart work. Just a few days ago, he posted a video of him working out where he kept locking his elbows under heavy weight and this was brought up out of concern by a couple of online fitness guys to Grant Bradburn.

    Here’s the workout video:



    I’m not an expert myself, but I’ve seen technical analyses before on other occasions where his form has not been up to the mark. You can put it down to bad infrastructure at the NHPC (and I do) but if Hassan Ali even remotely follows his social media, he should be vetting every workout he does through a qualified trainer.

    Evidently, since he has continued to post videos of dodgy form while working out, it is clear that is not the case.

    I hope he stays fit now as he is a very valuable commodity for the Pakistan team - only time will tell. But there are certainly asterisks attached.
    This video was very concerning! Just goes on to show how on their own these players are once they are out from under the wings of PCT management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    He once said Quarantine for professional sportsmen should be easy because he can do it for years if he is provided a computer and some video games. I have decided to award him the Tier 1 bewaqoof poster category due to a series of dumb posts on his part.
    Yes, quarantining for 10 days isn't hard.

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    @Thunderbolt14 I don't see how his workout form is in anyway related to Amir. I agree, Hasan's form looks iffy, but again maybe it's a bit too much to expect a village boy to know this stuff, especially because there aren't really any Urdu fitness guys on YouTube or something where he could learn. Fault lies on the team physios and trainers, they should know better.

    But again, I don't understand how it's related to Amir. I basically never see Amir doing any workouts, whether it's in his personal social media, or the PCB provided pictures. Even then, you could say that maybe he works out but doesn't post it, but you can just tell by looking at his body that he does 0 weight training, which is required too be a top athlete, especially a fast bowler. You can criticize Hasan's workout form because you see him working out. You can't criticize Amir's because you never see him working out.

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    Best bowler in Asia.

    Select him for the SA Tests and he will win Man of The Series.


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    Central Punjab were closing their third victory in a row as Hasan Ali scored a quickfire half-century and took eight wickets on the second day of his side’s first-class Quaid-e-Azam Trophy eighth round match against Balochistan at the State Bank Stadium on Tuesday.

    The Central Punjab captain clubbed an unbeaten 50 off 33 balls to lift his team to 369 before he recorded his 10th five-wicket haul, which bundled out Balochistan for a paltry 130, and took three more wickets after enforcing follow-on.

    Balochistan were tottering at 130 for six in their second innings and needed another 109 runs to make Central Punjab, the title defenders, bat again.

    Hasan smashed four sixes and as many fours to record his third half-century and second of the season after Central Punjab resumed the day at 297 for six.


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    Yeesh. Hassan should NOT be locking out his elbow with such force

    There's so much information out on how to do these movements, how do professional sportsmen get it so wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Central Punjab were closing their third victory in a row as Hasan Ali scored a quickfire half-century and took eight wickets on the second day of his side’s first-class Quaid-e-Azam Trophy eighth round match against Balochistan at the State Bank Stadium on Tuesday.

    The Central Punjab captain clubbed an unbeaten 50 off 33 balls to lift his team to 369 before he recorded his 10th five-wicket haul, which bundled out Balochistan for a paltry 130, and took three more wickets after enforcing follow-on.

    Balochistan were tottering at 130 for six in their second innings and needed another 109 runs to make Central Punjab, the title defenders, bat again.

    Hasan smashed four sixes and as many fours to record his third half-century and second of the season after Central Punjab resumed the day at 297 for six.
    PCB Video



    Last edited by MenInG; 15th December 2020 at 22:06.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    Yeesh. Hassan should NOT be locking out his elbow with such force

    There's so much information out on how to do these movements, how do professional sportsmen get it so wrong?


    Exactly what I was thinking brother. I was shocked to see the video above.

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    @hitthestump

    Another injury is waiting to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthestump View Post
    Yeesh. Hassan should NOT be locking out his elbow with such force

    There's so much information out on how to do these movements, how do professional sportsmen get it so wrong?
    Quote Originally Posted by Caved12 View Post
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    Exactly what I was thinking brother. I was shocked to see the video above.
    Is there much of this stuff available in Urdu? I know there is a lot of English workout information on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    But but but...he is finished and success has got to his head.
    He deserves all the credit for getting back to form and excellent to see hes actually willing to grind in domestic

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    He deserves all the credit for getting back to form and excellent to see hes actually willing to grind in domestic
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    I actually think they have the same issue - lack of appropriate expertise and advice. Amir is too insistent to approach anyone about his problems, while Hassan Ali’s recurring injuries have been because of flaws in his workout technique.

    Hassan does work harder, but hard work is not always smart work. Just a few days ago, he posted a video of him working out where he kept locking his elbows under heavy weight and this was brought up out of concern by a couple of online fitness guys to Grant Bradburn.

    Here’s the workout video:



    I’m not an expert myself, but I’ve seen technical analyses before on other occasions where his form has not been up to the mark. You can put it down to bad infrastructure at the NHPC (and I do) but if Hassan Ali even remotely follows his social media, he should be vetting every workout he does through a qualified trainer.

    Evidently, since he has continued to post videos of dodgy form while working out, it is clear that is not the case.

    I hope he stays fit now as he is a very valuable commodity for the Pakistan team - only time will tell. But there are certainly asterisks attached.
    Defonitely the technique needs to be looked at.the pcb need to invest in proper fitness coach and techical coaches

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    Great to see hassan ali in among the wickets and runs it will give boost to Pakistan team

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Great to see hassan ali in among the wickets and runs it will give boost to Pakistan team
    Would swap him with Musa Khan of Faheem Ashraf in a heartbeat


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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake View Post
    This video was very concerning! Just goes on to show how on their own these players are once they are out from under the wings of PCT management.
    What is he even trying to achieve here as it looks like hes trying to work on his shoulders but yet hes pulling all the way up he needs to slow down azwell to increase the tension to the shoulders he will end up really damaging his shoulder and his elbows with that technique

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Would swap him with Musa Khan of Faheem Ashraf in a heartbeat
    Defonitely he can be useful as a 3rd seemer in asain conditions and is more than decent with the bat

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    I’d like to see him bat higher in FC. Build more of a batsmen’s temperament and aim to get a 100 this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake View Post
    This video was very concerning! Just goes on to show how on their own these players are once they are out from under the wings of PCT management.
    @Thunderbolt14
    @shamaan

    Most of your concerns are based off of bodybuilding advice, which tells us to not lock the elbows or knees, but rather keep constant tension on the muscle.
    The purpose of such training is hypertrophy of the muscle, and not to create explosive power in the muscle as well as in the neorological response.

    The locking of the elbows is detrimental when done with very heavy weight and when the pivot is at the elbow, which makes it an isolation exercise.

    Hassan on the other hand is using relatively moderate weight and is using his shoulder to create force.
    This is an explosive movement that is supposed to be done in a compound manner; more than one joint taking the load
    Because the shoulder joint is the source of the power generation, the elbow joint wont get as much impact.
    Therefore, he isnt doing this exercise wrong.
    Last edited by Pacy with wisdom; 16th December 2020 at 00:12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Viper View Post
    Good work. And he is right, the most he can do is put in the effort and hard work. The rest is up to the management and selectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    @Thunderbolt14
    @shamaan

    Most of your concerns are based off of bodybuilding advice, which tells us to not lock the elbows or knees, but rather keep constant tension on the muscle.
    The purpose of such training is hypertrophy of the muscle, and not to create explosive power in the muscle as well as in the neorological response.

    The locking of the elbows is detrimental when done with very heavy weight and when the pivot is at the elbow, which makes it an isolation exercise.

    Hassan on the other hand is using relatively moderate weight and is using his shoulder to create force.
    This is an explosive movement that is supposed to be done in a compound manner.
    Because the shoulder joint is the source of the power generation, the elbow joint wont get as much impact.
    Therefore, he isnt doing this exercise wrong.
    But the way he was locking his shoulder he looked like he wanted to break it .it wasnt controlled it was really aggressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    @Thunderbolt14
    @shamaan

    Most of your concerns are based off of bodybuilding advice, which tells us to not lock the elbows or knees, but rather keep constant tension on the muscle.
    The purpose of such training is hypertrophy of the muscle, and not to create explosive power in the muscle as well as in the neorological response.

    The locking of the elbows is detrimental when done with very heavy weight and when the pivot is at the elbow, which makes it an isolation exercise.

    Hassan on the other hand is using relatively moderate weight and is using his shoulder to create force.
    This is an explosive movement that is supposed to be done in a compound manner; more than one joint taking the load
    Because the shoulder joint is the source of the power generation, the elbow joint wont get as much impact.
    Therefore, he isnt doing this exercise wrong.
    Iím not an expert, so I hope youíre right. However, even if he isnít doing this exercise wrong, there have been other videos, other workouts that have also come under scrutiny. He also had his first set of back spasms while deadlifting with incorrect form, if I remember correctly?

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    I think it's a safe bet that Hassan will be picked for the SA home series. Hassan has international experience under his belt, so assuming he's picked there won't be too much pressure on him. If Pakistan go for an all out pace attack for the SA home test series (or even for one of the tests), there's a good chance it could look like Shaheen-Abbas-Hassan-Naseem. On paper, that's mouth watering!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    @Thunderbolt14 I don't see how his workout form is in anyway related to Amir. I agree, Hasan's form looks iffy, but again maybe it's a bit too much to expect a village boy to know this stuff, especially because there aren't really any Urdu fitness guys on YouTube or something where he could learn. Fault lies on the team physios and trainers, they should know better.

    But again, I don't understand how it's related to Amir. I basically never see Amir doing any workouts, whether it's in his personal social media, or the PCB provided pictures. Even then, you could say that maybe he works out but doesn't post it, but you can just tell by looking at his body that he does 0 weight training, which is required too be a top athlete, especially a fast bowler. You can criticize Hasan's workout form because you see him working out. You can't criticize Amir's because you never see him working out.
    Amir doesn't believe in weight training. Once he was asked about it and his response was like, "I am a bowler, not a wrestler".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
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    @shamaan

    Most of your concerns are based off of bodybuilding advice, which tells us to not lock the elbows or knees, but rather keep constant tension on the muscle.
    The purpose of such training is hypertrophy of the muscle, and not to create explosive power in the muscle as well as in the neorological response.

    The locking of the elbows is detrimental when done with very heavy weight and when the pivot is at the elbow, which makes it an isolation exercise.

    Hassan on the other hand is using relatively moderate weight and is using his shoulder to create force.
    This is an explosive movement that is supposed to be done in a compound manner; more than one joint taking the load
    Because the shoulder joint is the source of the power generation, the elbow joint wont get as much impact.
    Therefore, he isnt doing this exercise wrong.
    Yep, I'm definitely not an expert so I'm more than happy to trust your explanation. Glad to know this isn't as risky as it looks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    But the way he was locking his shoulder he looked like he wanted to break it .it wasnt controlled it was really aggressive.
    It is supposed to be aggressive.
    He is training for explosive power, not for stability or muscle gain.
    This is an advanced level training which is only done once you have built enough muscle strength and stability.
    And of course there is going to be wear and tear; that is just part and parcel of it, but it is upto the athlete to find a good balance which can only happen once he gets experienced and starts listening to his body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Iím not an expert, so I hope youíre right. However, even if he isnít doing this exercise wrong, there have been other videos, other workouts that have also come under scrutiny. He also had his first set of back spasms while deadlifting with incorrect form, if I remember correctly?
    He most likely overtrained, hence the injury.
    Happens to most eager athletes, but it is all a part and parcel of trying to be better.
    He has most likely learned about what suits him best, which is why he is in top shape right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    It is supposed to be aggressive.
    He is training for explosive power, not for stability or muscle gain.
    This is an advanced level training which is only done once you have built enough muscle strength and stability.
    And of course there is going to be wear and tear; that is just part and parcel of it, but it is upto the athlete to find a good balance which can only happen once he gets experienced and starts listening to his body.
    Well put. Fast bowling requires sudden push/explosion of bowling muscles during delivery which is obviously not a natural body motion and thus training can take different forms.

    When Usman Shinwari was going through rehab of his back, he was also doing much more explosive squats and exercises than usual in an effort to train and possibly build his back muscles he uses during the delivery stride.

    So strength training can definitely vary depending upon the nature of sport a professional athlete is part of.
    Last edited by Titan24; 16th December 2020 at 00:41.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    But the way he was locking his shoulder he looked like he wanted to break it .it wasnt controlled it was really aggressive.
    that's how you do power training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    Amir doesn't believe in weight training. Once he was asked about it and his response was like, "I am a bowler, not a wrestler".
    Idiotic mindset. No wonder his pace is way down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake View Post
    Yep, I'm definitely not an expert so I'm more than happy to trust your explanation. Glad to know this isn't as risky as it looks!
    His form is horribly wrong!! Top to bottom!! From right leg to left, left arm, right arm, the jerk and everything. Just do your own research and you will find out that this was horribly wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    Is there much of this stuff available in Urdu? I know there is a lot of English workout information on the internet.
    I am sure he has a personal trainer who taught him correctly, but Hasan is being Hasan and probably getting carried away in that video where he did not think much about his form and was probably in a hurry to put this video online. Either ways, he should be very careful as his right arm is very precious for his country and his fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caved12 View Post
    His form is horribly wrong!! Top to bottom!! From right leg to left, left arm, right arm, the jerk and everything. Just do your own research and you will find out that this was horribly wrong.
    Do you know the name of the exercise he is doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    Do you know the name of the exercise he is doing?
    Do you? Ask me a better question next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    that's how you do power training.
    So bisicaly its low weight high reps which is muscular endurance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    It is supposed to be aggressive.
    He is training for explosive power, not for stability or muscle gain.
    This is an advanced level training which is only done once you have built enough muscle strength and stability.
    And of course there is going to be wear and tear; that is just part and parcel of it, but it is upto the athlete to find a good balance which can only happen once he gets experienced and starts listening to his body.
    So is this musculer entrances as the weight is low and high reps ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caved12 View Post
    Do you? Ask me a better question next time.
    The question is pretty appropriate.
    I have explained everything above. I would like to know why you deem his form to be incorrect. What should be the textbook form that he is failing to achieve? What is the purpose of his workout?

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    Any who thinks that Hassan is doing the exercise correctly just needs to look up 'Landmine Press' on Youtube.

    10 marks to anyone who can spot the differences between how Hassan is doing it and how it is actually performed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    So bisicaly its low weight high reps which is muscular endurance
    This is a single arm landmine push while seated.
    It is a power workout just for the shoulder, while at the same time for core stability.
    Do you notice that his left hand is not clinching onto anything which means his core has to give him all the support and stability.

    This workout is supposed to improve his co-ordination as well as his shoulder power.

    Power workouts are based on lower reps, while endurance workouts are less explosive, but with higher repetitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    The question is pretty appropriate.
    I have explained everything above. I would like to know why you deem his form to be incorrect. What should be the textbook form that he is failing to achieve? What is the purpose of his workout?
    Thanks.

    I needed just 10 seconds to know that his form was horribly wrong. Please see below

    1- Right leg should be straight. Hasan's leg is going all over the place even to the point where his right knee is getting a bit of lift with every rep.
    2- Left leg is too far away and again it should be straight and totally vertical from knee below. At the end of his set, you would notice that he is moving his left foot, that happened because he never had balance to begin with. Again it should be firmly planted and should not be going all over the place.
    3- His right wrist should be straight and the jerk he is forcing at the end of the upward motion is a complete no no and very dangerous. Just do it yourself without weights and see how bad it is for your elbow and shoulders.
    4- Left arm should not move much that much and he should make a fist and press that shouder before the start of every set.
    5 - Look at the jolt he is getting at lower back and hips because his form as I said is horribly wrong.

    I have done it all, weight training, cross training, Yoga etc. Captained my team for 7 straight years and won 2 championships, but still I am learning as I know that I have just scrachted the surface and the game of cricket is so complex and all the methods of training are constantly evolving. None of us can claim that we know it all. I have learned a lot from this forum and you guys as well, but we often get into silly debates and are never willing to understand the point of view of other posters who don't agree with us.

    I don't write as well as most of you guys and It takes time to write these posts as my wriiten english is not that good, so forgive me for any mistakes and ask me if something I wrote above did not make sense.

    Thank you

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    I don't want Hasan to get injured as I love him as much as you all do and I know that he has always worked hard. Pakistan need him badly as he can bat as well and can turn into a very good allrounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caved12 View Post
    Thanks.

    I needed just 10 seconds to know that his form was horribly wrong. Please see below

    1- Right leg should be straight. Hasan's leg is going all over the place even to the point where his right knee is getting a bit of lift with every rep.
    2- Left leg is too far away and again it should be straight and totally vertical from knee below. At the end of his set, you would notice that he is moving his left foot, that happened because he never had balance to begin with. Again it should be firmly planted and should not be going all over the place.
    3- His right wrist should be straight and the jerk he is forcing at the end of the upward motion is a complete no no and very dangerous. Just do it yourself without weights and see how bad it is for your elbow and shoulders.
    4- Left arm should not move much that much and he should make a fist and press that shouder before the start of every set.
    5 - Look at the jolt he is getting at lower back and hips because his form as I said is horribly wrong.

    I have done it all, weight training, cross training, Yoga etc. Captained my team for 7 straight years and won 2 championships, but still I am learning as I know that I have just scrachted the surface and the game of cricket is so complex and all the methods of training are constantly evolving. None of us can claim that we know it all. I have learned a lot from this forum and you guys as well, but we often get into silly debates and are never willing to understand the point of view of other posters who don't agree with us.

    I don't write as well as most of you guys and It takes time to write these posts as my wriiten english is not that good, so forgive me for any mistakes and ask me if something I wrote above did not make sense.

    Thank you
    Sorry, I forgot to add the biggest flaw in his form and noticed another mistake as well. I will let @Pacy with wisdom figure this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caved12 View Post
    Thanks.

    I needed just 10 seconds to know that his form was horribly wrong. Please see below

    1- Right leg should be straight. Hasan's leg is going all over the place even to the point where his right knee is getting a bit of lift with every rep.
    2- Left leg is too far away and again it should be straight and totally vertical from knee below. At the end of his set, you would notice that he is moving his left foot, that happened because he never had balance to begin with. Again it should be firmly planted and should not be going all over the place.
    3- His right wrist should be straight and the jerk he is forcing at the end of the upward motion is a complete no no and very dangerous. Just do it yourself without weights and see how bad it is for your elbow and shoulders.
    4- Left arm should not move much that much and he should make a fist and press that shouder before the start of every set.
    5 - Look at the jolt he is getting at lower back and hips because his form as I said is horribly wrong.

    I have done it all, weight training, cross training, Yoga etc. Captained my team for 7 straight years and won 2 championships, but still I am learning as I know that I have just scrachted the surface and the game of cricket is so complex and all the methods of training are constantly evolving. None of us can claim that we know it all. I have learned a lot from this forum and you guys as well, but we often get into silly debates and are never willing to understand the point of view of other posters who don't agree with us.

    I don't write as well as most of you guys and It takes time to write these posts as my wriiten english is not that good, so forgive me for any mistakes and ask me if something I wrote above did not make sense.

    Thank you
    Thanks for breaking it down point wise, this adds a lot of clarity. I think itís a wonderfully written post, by the way. I can try and find other videos of him working out too, that Iíve seen before and have come under criticism - just so we have a more holistic view on not just this workout but his overall training regimen.

    @Pacy with wisdom do you disagree with the analysis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Thanks for breaking it down point wise, this adds a lot of clarity. I think it’s a wonderfully written post, by the way. I can try and find other videos of him working out too, that I’ve seen before and have come under criticism - just so we have a more holistic view on not just this workout but his overall training regimen.

    @Pacy with wisdom do you disagree with the analysis?
    Thanks Thunderbolt14.

    Please do. If we find something, at least we will let Saj know. Thanks again.

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    The likes of Musa are not good enough while Naseem and Rauf are false hopes that have been hyped out of desperation.

    Hasan is overconfident and got a brutal reality check by India in the Asia Cup but if he is ready to tone it down he can revive his career.

    Not sure what his fitness is like and whether he can keep his spot in the team permanently but he should be given a chance against South Africa at home just to see where he is at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    It is supposed to be aggressive.
    He is training for explosive power, not for stability or muscle gain.
    This is an advanced level training which is only done once you have built enough muscle strength and stability.
    And of course there is going to be wear and tear; that is just part and parcel of it, but it is upto the athlete to find a good balance which can only happen once he gets experienced and starts listening to his body.
    The movement is not controlled you get alot more out of it if its controlled you will gain more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caved12 View Post
    Thanks.

    I needed just 10 seconds to know that his form was horribly wrong. Please see below

    1- Right leg should be straight. Hasan's leg is going all over the place even to the point where his right knee is getting a bit of lift with every rep.
    2- Left leg is too far away and again it should be straight and totally vertical from knee below. At the end of his set, you would notice that he is moving his left foot, that happened because he never had balance to begin with. Again it should be firmly planted and should not be going all over the place.
    3- His right wrist should be straight and the jerk he is forcing at the end of the upward motion is a complete no no and very dangerous. Just do it yourself without weights and see how bad it is for your elbow and shoulders.
    4- Left arm should not move much that much and he should make a fist and press that shouder before the start of every set.
    5 - Look at the jolt he is getting at lower back and hips because his form as I said is horribly wrong.

    I have done it all, weight training, cross training, Yoga etc. Captained my team for 7 straight years and won 2 championships, but still I am learning as I know that I have just scrachted the surface and the game of cricket is so complex and all the methods of training are constantly evolving. None of us can claim that we know it all. I have learned a lot from this forum and you guys as well, but we often get into silly debates and are never willing to understand the point of view of other posters who don't agree with us.

    I don't write as well as most of you guys and It takes time to write these posts as my wriiten english is not that good, so forgive me for any mistakes and ask me if something I wrote above did not make sense.

    Thank you
    Thats another variation having your leg straight and front leg straight.but yes his wrists should be straight otherwise it will put strain on the wrists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Thats another variation having your leg straight and front leg straight.but yes his wrists should be straight otherwise it will put strain on the wrists.
    What other variation? Can you please elaborate on this? if possible, Can you please post a picture or a video of the exercise you are talking about? I am just trying to understand. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    The movement is not controlled you get alot more out of it if its controlled you will gain more.
    More out of it? so you mean that you get something out of it when it is not controlled.

    You get nothing but injuries when it is not controlled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caved12 View Post
    What other variation? Can you please elaborate on this? if possible, Can you please post a picture or a video of the exercise you are talking about? I am just trying to understand. Thanks
    Standing straight is another variation.having your knee on the floor is another variations. How do i post pictures never done it on here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caved12 View Post
    More out of it? so you mean that you get something out of it when it is not controlled.

    You get nothing but injuries when it is not controlled.
    No i said it doesnt look controlled if he controlled the movement better he will gain alot more.like you stated not controlling the movement will lead to injuries

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Standing straight is another variation.having your knee on the floor is another variations. How do i post pictures never done it on here
    I am well aware of all variations of Landmine press (while seated or standing), but you are failing to understand my post. I am talking about Hassan's form while seated. Nobody is talking about the standing variation of this exercise here. I can if you want me to talk about the correct form of all other variations, but we need to have a seperate thread for that. If there is something in my post that you need me to further clarify , then don't hesitate to ask.

    May be I should do a detailed post on power workouts, explosiveness and everything that pacy with wisdom was talking about but that can take time as I will need to further study those topics and post what is right, not just come here and shoot out of my hip.

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    Bowling beautifully on a placid pitch in NSK right now. Exciting to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caved12 View Post
    I am well aware of all variations of Landmine press (while seated or standing), but you are failing to understand my post. I am talking about Hassan's form while seated. Nobody is talking about the standing variation of this exercise here. I can if you want me to talk about the correct form of all other variations, but we need to have a seperate thread for that. If there is something in my post that you need me to further clarify , then don't hesitate to ask.

    May be I should do a detailed post on power workouts, explosiveness and everything that pacy with wisdom was talking about but that can take time as I will need to further study those topics and post what is right, not just come here and shoot out of my hip.
    This would be excellent, especially if you write it in a constructive way that can potentially be passed on to Hassan Ali himself via social media. I donít want to see him injuring himself again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    This would be excellent, especially if you write it in a constructive way that can potentially be passed on to Hassan Ali himself via social media. I don’t want to see him injuring himself again.
    I think you really want me to come out of my cave In all these years, I have done a fantastic job of just being a reader here, but now I am getting sucked in to this Pakpassion world. lol.

    Ok, I will try, but no guarantees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caved12 View Post
    I think you really want me to come out of my cave In all these years, I have done a fantastic job of just being a reader here, but now I am getting sucked in to this Pakpassion world. lol.

    Ok, I will try, but no guarantees.
    You make well-thought out points, whether I agree or disagree. That tends to be refreshing here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    You make well-thought out points, whether I agree or disagree. That tends to be refreshing here
    Thank you. So do you!

    Just a heads up, I will take my sweet time as I have a little one as well to take care of and half of the time, I am playing nursery rhymes on my laptop May be in a week or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caved12 View Post
    Thank you. So do you!

    Just a heads up, I will take my sweet time as I have a little one as well to take care of and half of the time, I am playing nursery rhymes on my laptop May be in a week or so.
    I look forward to it. Get the little oneís input too, they would know more than the PCB these days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    I look forward to it. Get the little one’s input too, they would know more than the PCB these days!



    Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    Even after a poor run of form due to injuries for 1/4 of his international career, this mediocre player still averages 29 in ODIs and Tests. While not ground breaking, it's better than a lot of other players. Compare it to someone like Bhuvneshwar Kumar who averages 34 in ODIs but is a first choice player for India.

    Also not to forget his batting. He's young too, only 26. Height is just something his detractors will bring up the second he has 1-2 bad games.
    Agree with this, Pakistan desperately lack proven performers at the international level. There's far too many raw projects who aren't ready yet who Misbah has fast tracked.

    Hasan's form did dip alarmingly in 18/19 but the volume of cricket he was playing was insane. Whilst his height is an issue, he can still be effective on low bounce Asian wickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Agree with this, Pakistan desperately lack proven performers at the international level. There's far too many raw projects who aren't ready yet who Misbah has fast tracked.

    Hasan's form did dip alarmingly in 18/19 but the volume of cricket he was playing was insane. Whilst his height is an issue, he can still be effective on low bounce Asian wickets.
    Absolutely.

    Surprisingly if he comes back in the test squad he will be only specialist pacer between 21-30 to get selected in the squad after Shinwari in almost an year.

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    I feel like Hasan Ali needs to turn himself into an all-rounder to become a permanent fixture in the team. He's got great hitting ability, just needs to work on staying at the crease for longer.

    The main issue with his bowling is that his height means he's almost certainly going to get hit around every few games, and he probably can't be relied upon to regularly bowl his quota outside Asia.

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    Has Hassan Ali's career ended at international level?

    Ever since the guy got married, it seems he hasnt worked hard or concentrated on his injury rehab.

    He seems to have laid down after earning money and have been married. More like having settled down.

    Do you think its the end of his career? I always believed he was a great limited overs bowler.

    But the guy will probably appear in a one of series soon, not perform and it would be over.

    Whats your say?


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    Not yet. I think he is getting there for a comeback. His performances have been good lately in domestic cricket.

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