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    India planned PSX attack to destabilize Pakistan's economy, peace: PM Imran Khan

    ISLAMABAD (Dunya News) – Pakistan on Monday once again called upon the international community that it must take immediate cognizance of India’s use of state-terrorism to destabilize its neighbouring countries.

    The foreign office spokesperson in a press release referring to terrorist attack on Pakistan Stock Exchange said that the externally-supported cowardly attack was another manifestation of the state-sponsored terrorism being perpetrated against Pakistan, ‘which is highly condemnable’.

    “The comments made by the Indian Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) about the Karachi attack represent nothing but obfuscation and denial. India’s sophistry, however, cannot hide India’s complicity in acts of terrorism against Pakistan,” the spokesperson added.

    The law enforcement agencies of Pakistan Monday successfully foiled a terrorist attack targeting Pakistan Stock Exchange in Karachi. All the four terrorists involved in the attempted attack were killed in the encounter. Four of the valiant law enforcement personnel embraced martyrdom.

    “Pakistan has been consistently sensitizing the international community about the Indian leadership’s threatening statements to use terrorism as a tool to destabilize Pakistan,” the press release added.

    According to the spokesperson, Pakistan had already shared with the international community, incriminating evidence about the Indian Intelligence Agency RAW’s involvement in terrorist activities in Pakistan.

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    Terrorist attack on Pakistan Stock Exchange

    The law enforcement agencies of Pakistan successfully foiled a terrorist attack, today, targeting Pakistan Stock Exchange in Karachi. All four terrorists involved in the attempted attack were killed in the encounter. Four of our valiant law enforcement personnel embraced martyrdom.

    The externally-supported cowardly attack is another manifestation of the state-sponsored terrorism being perpetrated against Pakistan, which is highly condemnable.

    Pakistan has been consistently sensitizing the international community about the Indian leadership’s threatening statements to use terrorism as a tool to destabilize Pakistan.

    Pakistan has already shared with the international community, incriminating evidence about the Indian Intelligence Agency RAW’s involvement in terrorist activities in Pakistan.

    The comments made by the Indian Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) about the Karachi attack represent nothing but obfuscation and denial. India’s sophistry, however, cannot hide India’s complicity in acts of terrorism against Pakistan.

    The international community must take immediate cognizance of India’s use of state-terrorism to destabilize neighbouring countries.

    Islamabad

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    We have no doubt India was behind PSX attack, says PM Imran Khan in NA

    Prime Minister Imran Khan while speaking in the National Assembly has said that Pakistan has "no doubt" that India was behind yesterday's attempted attack on the Pakistan Stock Exchange in Karachi.

    "What happened in Mumbai, they wanted to do the same [in Karachi]; they wanted to spread uncertainty. We have no doubt this was done by India," the premier said.

    A praised a police sub-inspector and three security guards who lost their lives while thwarting the attack as the "heroes of Pakistan".

    "They gave sacrifices and thwarted a major incident, which was planned by India to destabilise us," he said, adding that the attackers had a lot of ammunition and they wanted to take hostages.

    "My cabinet and its ministers know that all our agencies were on high alert. Our agencies preempted at least four major attempts of terrorism and two of them were around Islamabad.

    "We were fully prepared ... this was a huge win for us," he said, paying tribute to the security agencies.

    At the start of his speech, the prime minister thanked his team for their efforts which led to the budget 2020-21 being approved by the parliament yesterday.

    "There was a lot of speculation that a lot could happen ... if you had watched TV you would have thought it was our last day," he said, referring to fears the budget would be unable to be passed.

    "I want to thank my government, because Chief Whip Amir Dogar gave me full information [about] what we gained and what improvement we had. I also thank my minorities and the way they participated," the premier said.

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    He's named India. Good. Better than the mute PM before him who couldn't even say the word 'Yadav' or raise his voice for Kashmiris.

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    What does calling out India in your parliament speech achieve?




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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    What does calling out India in your parliament speech achieve?
    What does calling out BLA or any organisation achieve? But people do it because of self respect. It was pathetic Nawaz never raised his voice. Whether it was on our soldiers dying on the border or Yadav or Kashmir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    What does calling out India in your parliament speech achieve?
    IK can use one word wrongly in Parliament (or something that is taken out of context) and not only do our usual friends here on PP go crazy with glee, but its suddenly international news even making it in The Sun here in the UK...

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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    What does calling out India in your parliament speech achieve?
    Do you think Americans or Indians should have remained quiet when they were attacked by terrorists?


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    Oh well disgusting but not unexpected by IK.

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    India is a necessary deflection for Imran because his government is failing and he needs to divert attention away from the circus show that his government has become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    What does calling out India in your parliament speech achieve?
    Divert attention from the disastrous performance of his government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Divert attention from the disastrous performance of his government.
    Honestly, your posts are based on pure hatred against Imran, nothing else. No attention will be diverted. This happend yesterday and it's quite natural he speaks about this today.


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    Not to mention that Imran was itching to find something to shoot at India, after they humiliated him over his offer to share the COVID relief program.

    It was the biggest own goal scored by a Pakistani PM in a very long, long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAJ View Post
    Honestly, your posts are based on pure hatred against Imran, nothing else. No attention will be diverted. This happend yesterday and it's quite natural he speaks about this today.
    Let him cope with the sadness of yet another opposition defeat in Parliament yesterday

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAJ View Post
    Honestly, your posts are based on pure hatred against Imran, nothing else. No attention will be diverted. This happend yesterday and it's quite natural he speaks about this today.
    Of course attention will be diverted. People will talk about India for a few days and conveniently forget how Imran decided to burden the poor public with a record increase in petrol price, instead of taking on the “oil mafia”.

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    ^ And when you are head of your country you have plenty of cases to handle simutaneously. For critics it's easy to come up with same old stuff about diverting attention from this and that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IAJ View Post
    Honestly, your posts are based on pure hatred against Imran, nothing else. No attention will be diverted. This happend yesterday and it's quite natural he speaks about this today.
    Don't think that's true actually, Mamoon would be contributing pro-Indian posts regardless of who was PM of Pakistan. It is his duty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Let him cope with the sadness of yet another opposition defeat in Parliament yesterday
    The only defeat in recent days has been the one Imran suffered at the hands of the “oil mafia”, and it was an innings defeat since PTI followers love cricket analogies so much.

    The opposition is quite comfortable these days. There is no need of dharnas, rallies, protests or even statements when Imran is on the path to self-destruction.

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    Interesting to note how "some" Pakistanis didn't even post once in the PSX attack thread, or condemn it, or condole with the victims, but they wasted no time in arriving here and starting their point-scoring.


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    If naming India creates a mess that we cannot handle, we can always say that Imran’s tongue slipped. It is the most versatile excuse these days.

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    So in a thread related to ugly India's terrorism in Pakistan, this guy has brought in:

    1. PTI government failure
    2. Covid19
    3. Oil mafia

    This list is continuing to grow. Not one mention of the actual act of terrorism, he 'forgot' to post on the thread related to the incident and here is trying his best to divert.
    Last edited by Abdullah719; 30th June 2020 at 20:00.

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    A meaningless statement from Mr. Khan whose own bombshell last week that OBL was martyr rocked international media. No-one disputes India is nurturing the BLA and other terror outfits to destabilize Pakistan, but when the PM of a country like Pakistan states in the chambers of his National Assembly that OBL was a martyr, then no terrorism accusation he levels can be taken serious. IK has had number if opportunities to clarify his statement but has persistently failed to do so. I am sorry but this statement of his is going directly to the dustbin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinaman00 View Post
    A meaningless statement from Mr. Khan whose own bombshell last week that OBL was martyr rocked international media. No-one disputes India is nurturing the BLA and other terror outfits to destabilize Pakistan, but when the PM of a country like Pakistan states in the chambers of his National Assembly that OBL was a martyr, then no terrorism accusation he levels can be taken serious. IK has had number if opportunities to clarify his statement but has persistently failed to do so. I am sorry but this statement of his is going directly to the dustbin.
    You seem to have your priorities slightly off kilter, people were actually killed here, IK calling OBL a shaheed wasn't hurting anyone, least of all the international community who don't care about plays on words. Seems you are more offended on their behalf than they are themselves. Perhaps also spare a thought for those killed by these attacks in Karachi. You know....those people who actually died.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chinaman00 View Post
    A meaningless statement from Mr. Khan whose own bombshell last week that OBL was martyr rocked international media. No-one disputes India is nurturing the BLA and other terror outfits to destabilize Pakistan, but when the PM of a country like Pakistan states in the chambers of his National Assembly that OBL was a martyr, then no terrorism accusation he levels can be taken serious. IK has had number if opportunities to clarify his statement but has persistently failed to do so. I am sorry but this statement of his is going directly to the dustbin.
    Pakistan already has zero international credibility because of housing several UN listed terrorists and the fact that Osama was found in Pakistan, that too half a mile away from a military base.

    Then to make matters worse, the self-proclaimed savior proceeds to call Osama a shaheed, so you are right about the fact that him accusing India will not change a thing

    Imran has been insulting Modi since August 5 2019 and has fired about a 100 tweets with the same content like a broken record, but what has it achieved? Absolutely nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    So in a thread related to ugly India's terrorism in Pakistan, this guy has brought in:

    1. PTI government failure
    2. Covid19
    3. Oil mafia

    This list is continuing to grow. Not one mention of the actual act of terrorism, he 'forgot' to post on the thread related to the incident and here is trying his best to divert.
    In light of new posts, need to enhance this list:

    4. OBL
    5. Kashmir, August 5



    Thank you mods


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    In light of new posts, need to enhance this list:

    4. OBL
    5. Kashmir, August 5



    Thank you mods
    If I am going off-topic I will happily bow out from the thread, but I don’t see the point of your moaning. Imran accused India of terrorism so how do you expect this thread to grow without anyone mentioning Kashmir and terrorism in general?

    You don’t seem to understand how discussion threads work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Pakistan already has zero international credibility because of housing several UN listed terrorists and the fact that Osama was found in Pakistan, that too half a mile away from a military base.

    Then to make matters worse, the self-proclaimed savior proceeds to call Osama a shaheed, so you are right about the fact that him accusing India will not change a thing

    Imran has been insulting Modi since August 5 2019 and has fired about a 100 tweets with the same content like a broken record, but what has it achieved? Absolutely nothing.
    Are you saying Modi is such a poor statesman that his policy is based on how badly stung he feels by Imran's insults? That would be singularly pathetic if true.


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    Given that India is always trying to bring harm to Pakistan in almost every way they can, it makes sense that one would come to this conclusion.

    If IK truly believes India is behind this attack, is there going to be a response from Pakistan?
    Otherwise, there is no point in blaming India if we aren't going to do anything about it, other then making ourselves look weak.

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    Mamoon is always in a bad mood, every time I read his posts it’s like I get really bad vibes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    You seem to have your priorities slightly off kilter, people were actually killed here, IK calling OBL a shaheed wasn't hurting anyone, least of all the international community who don't care about plays on words. Seems you are more offended on their behalf than they are themselves. Perhaps also spare a thought for those killed by these attacks in Karachi. You know....those people who actually died.
    It is an issue of credibility, IK can’t expect on one hand to say OBL was a martyr (mind you the same OBL who was found hiding in a Pakistani garrison city) and on the other hand claim his country be a victim of terrorism. You can’t have it both ways. IK has exposed the disjointed and incoherent nature of Pakistan’s terrorism narrative.

    So if you think his words don’t change anything, you are sadly mistaken as Pakistan already has a terrorism perception problem. This is a cricket forum and you should know the reason why no cricket team was willing to tour Pakistan for almost a decade.

    Narratives are important and when your PM says something as deranged and inexcusable as OBL being a martyr, those words have consequences, regardless of how much people might want to wash them away under the carpet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Are you saying Modi is such a poor statesman that his policy is based on how badly stung he feels by Imran's insults? That would be singularly pathetic if true.
    Actually it’s the opposite. Modi has ignored Imran totally lol. In fact Imran Khan the cricketer used to be headline even in India but as PM his tweets are reduced to some obscure footnotes in newspaper. Especially even the notorious Indian media doesn’t see anything interesting there. They would rather talk about the pet that makes a few human sounds than Imran Khan’s tweets and opinions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Or on Indian payroll. It wouldn't cost much to bankroll a couple of posters from Indian POV, I do know of an Afghan who was getting good money from the British intelligence services, so you can well imagine that India could afford a few rupees to get "Pakistanis" to post their propaganda. Not that it is necessarily the case of course, but you have to consider it is certainly likely.
    If you are genuinely concerned about “propaganda” then you should be outraged about what Imran Khan said last week regarding OBL, instead of clinching at straws. Imran Khan did more to advance Indian narratives on Pakistan’s terrorism problem than Indians could have ever dreamed. You should be outraged and concerned about this and not some Indian boogeymen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local.Dada View Post
    Actually it’s the opposite. Modi has ignored Imran totally lol. In fact Imran Khan the cricketer used to be headline even in India but as PM his tweets are reduced to some obscure footnotes in newspaper. Especially even the notorious Indian media doesn’t see anything interesting there. They would rather talk about the pet that makes a few human sounds than Imran Khan’s tweets and opinions
    I didn't ask your view as I already know the Indian Modi fan view thanks. I was asking for the perspective of the "Pakistani".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    Given that India is always trying to bring harm to Pakistan in almost every way they can, it makes sense that one would come to this conclusion.

    If IK truly believes India is behind this attack, is there going to be a response from Pakistan?
    Otherwise, there is no point in blaming India if we aren't going to do anything about it, other then making ourselves look weak.
    India is trying to harm Pakistan but Pakistan is not exactly standing with a bouquet of flowers in its handing. This narrative that Pakistan wants peace in the region and India is the bad guy is only bought in Pakistan.

    India is funding BLA and probably PTM as well, but Pakistan has also supported militancy in J&K and you have to be high as a kite to believe that we did not have a hand in the 2001 parliament attack or the Mumbai attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Are you saying Modi is such a poor statesman that his policy is based on how badly stung he feels by Imran's insults? That would be singularly pathetic if true.
    Considering the fact that Modi doesn’t personally respond, it is fair to assume that he doesn’t care about Imran’s rants that are borne out of frustration, desperation and helplessness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    So in a thread related to ugly India's terrorism in Pakistan, this guy has brought in:

    1. PTI government failure
    2. Covid19
    3. Oil mafia

    This list is continuing to grow. Not one mention of the actual act of terrorism, he 'forgot' to post on the thread related to the incident and here is trying his best to divert.
    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    In light of new posts, need to enhance this list:

    4. OBL
    5. Kashmir, August 5



    Thank you mods
    Further revisions required:

    6. PTM
    7. 2001 Parliament attack
    8. Mumbai attacks




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    Quote Originally Posted by chinaman00 View Post
    If you are genuinely concerned about “propaganda” then you should be outraged about what Imran Khan said last week regarding OBL, instead of clinching at straws. Imran Khan did more to advance Indian narratives on Pakistan’s terrorism problem than Indians could have ever dreamed. You should be outraged and concerned about this and not some Indian boogeymen.
    I am not outraged about anything, I just don't see how a Pakistani can be more bothered about one Imran Khan word referring to OBL as opposed to an actual terror attack where people lost their lives. I mean assuming you are a Pakistani, if you are an American from New York then that would be more understandable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Considering the fact that Modi doesn’t personally respond, it is fair to assume that he doesn’t care about Imran’s rants that are borne out of frustration, desperation and helplessness.
    In which case whether Imran insults Modi or kisses his bottom makes not the slightest difference, so why bring it up in the first place?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    In which case whether Imran insults Modi or kisses his bottom makes not the slightest difference, so why bring it up in the first place?
    Because Imran’s supporters cannot withhold their delight whenever he insults Modi. Why get excited over nothing?

    It is applicable in this thread too. Imran accusing India will not have any effect, especially when he scored a massive own goal a few days ago by reinforcing the international narrative that Pakistan supports terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    I am not outraged about anything, I just don't see how a Pakistani can be more bothered about one Imran Khan word referring to OBL as opposed to an actual terror attack where people lost their lives. I mean assuming you are a Pakistani, if you are an American from New York then that would be more understandable.
    Again, it’s an issue of credibility. When Imran Khan says India is behind the PSX attack (which is not a false statement to make) he’s making his pitch to the international community, not to Pakistanis. Hence, his prior statement that OBL was a martyr can’t be reconciled with his latest statement. At best they cancel out or at worst, it perpetuates the Indian narrative that Pakistan has a policy of “good Taliban, bad Taliban.” The fact that you don’t see anything wrong with how both statements are incompatible is very problematic.

    I have always said that Pakistanis have some of the worst emotional intelligence that I have seen exhibited among any group of people. This extends to even the western educated Pakistanis. Your statement does nothing to change my views.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Do you think Americans or Indians should have remained quiet when they were attacked by terrorists?
    Terrorist isn't a correct term ethnically for the people of that locale in Pakistan




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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    IK can use one word wrongly in Parliament (or something that is taken out of context) and not only do our usual friends here on PP go crazy with glee, but its suddenly international news even making it in The Sun here in the UK...
    I think most of have missed my point. I'm asking what does he aim to achieve by calling out India in an internal meeting rather than raising the issue internationally?




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    What does calling out BLA or any organisation achieve? But people do it because of self respect. It was pathetic Nawaz never raised his voice. Whether it was on our soldiers dying on the border or Yadav or Kashmir.
    Wasn't it Imran who raised his voice internationally when Musharraf started his campaign against the very same people? Wasn't it Imran who went to UK courts to testify in favour of two terrorists from similar organisations? So now this happens under his government and he talks about it in the parliament and can't raise the issue internationally like he has been doing so previously?




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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    Wasn't it Imran who raised his voice internationally when Musharraf started his campaign against the very same people? Wasn't it Imran who went to UK courts to testify in favour of two terrorists from similar organisations? So now this happens under his government and he talks about it in the parliament and can't raise the issue internationally like he has been doing so previously?
    When was Imran Khan supporting the Indian backed BLA? Care to provide quotes? If he was against forced disappearances and such operations, most sane people would support that.

    He should like be PMLN then, lose his b.alls. Forget Nawaz, people like Khawaja Asif, who I despise, had more b.alls then Nawaz when it came to calling out other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    I think most of have missed my point. I'm asking what does he aim to achieve by calling out India in an internal meeting rather than raising the issue internationally?
    He has raised Kashmir and called out India at the intenational level, the biggest being at the UN.

    What more do you want?

    You're much more cleverer and a great quality poster than Mamoon and his troll ilk so not sure why you're stooping low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Because Imran’s supporters cannot withhold their delight whenever he insults Modi. Why get excited over nothing?

    It is applicable in this thread too. Imran accusing India will not have any effect, especially when he scored a massive own goal a few days ago by reinforcing the international narrative that Pakistan supports terrorism.
    He didn't score an own goal, it was a comment raised in the context of Pakistan's sovereignty being undermined by unauthorised military strikes by foreign powers. The own goals are actually being scored by those who rush to bring it to the attention of those foreign powers in the hope of striking a blow against their own country. This is an own goal my friend, the very epitome of one.

    The same goes for efforts in this thread, instead of condemning the terror strikes, you are in fact blaming the victims in your eagerness to protect the reputation of the sponsors. Shame on you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    When was Imran Khan supporting the Indian backed BLA? Care to provide quotes? If he was against forced disappearances and such operations, most sane people would support that.

    He should like be PMLN then, lose his b.alls. Forget Nawaz, people like Khawaja Asif, who I despise, had more b.alls then Nawaz when it came to calling out other countries.
    You do remember the operation launched by Musharraf? It was mainly against two tribes. The Bugti tribe and the Marri tribe. Fact of the matter is that we all know what Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti and Mir Balach Marri had been doing in their regions and how the asserted control over this area.

    Anyhow, the conflict grew when both of these men presented a 15 point agenda demanding greater control of the resources of the province. As things grew heated 3 military personnel were wounded when shots were fired on their helicopter in Balochistan.

    A 2006 cable from the American Embassy in Islamabad leaked by WikiLeaks noted that, “There seems to be little support in the province, beyond the Bugti tribe, for the current insurgency.” (https://iar-gwu.org/sites/default/fi...Insurgency.pdf)

    Anyway, now that you know the background and who these people are. This ended with an army operation against these two people in Balochistan to put an end to the insurgency.

    Imran Khan repeatedly called out the millitary for its operation in the province and stated that the army was committing genocide in the province (you can google it and find the video).

    In 2009, two prominent people who were part of the insurgency escaped to England and claimed asylum there. Pakistan claimed that these people were terrorists and a court hearing was setup for these people. Imran Khan went to court and provided evidence for both of these people.

    "Coming out in support of two Baloch terror suspects, the cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan has told a UK court he supported the violent means of protest against a government if there was no other democratic option left to follow" (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/79...ays-Imran-Khan).

    The two people in court were Hyrbyair Marri (remember Marri tribe from the background earlier) and Faiz Baluch. These people were on trial for inciting murder and supporting the BLA which is considered a terrorist organisation.

    Imran has historically supported Al Qaeda and the Taliban. He called OBL a shaheed. He, has in the past, spoken in favour of those and given evidence in court in favour of those that were behind the Baloch insurgency.

    Under his leadership Ehsanullah Ehsan, the terrorist responsible for the attack on the Army Public School in Peshawar and the shooting of Malala Yousafzai, announced that he had escaped from prison and had managed to flee the country. (Yes, I blame him for this because how would it be possible for one of the most wanted men in the country to flee so easily without support from high up personnel and also why did he not bring to task those that were responsible for ensuring he does not escape and I don't mean scapegoats I mean the people really responsible)

    Khan is beholden to the military and bound to the mullah's




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    Quote Originally Posted by chinaman00 View Post
    Again, it’s an issue of credibility. When Imran Khan says India is behind the PSX attack (which is not a false statement to make) he’s making his pitch to the international community, not to Pakistanis. Hence, his prior statement that OBL was a martyr can’t be reconciled with his latest statement. At best they cancel out or at worst, it perpetuates the Indian narrative that Pakistan has a policy of “good Taliban, bad Taliban.” The fact that you don’t see anything wrong with how both statements are incompatible is very problematic.

    I have always said that Pakistanis have some of the worst emotional intelligence that I have seen exhibited among any group of people. This extends to even the western educated Pakistanis. Your statement does nothing to change my views.
    So if I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that because Imran Khan complained that the USA unauthorised strikes against OBL had turned him into a martyr, that gives India free reign to sponsor terror attacks at will against Pakistan? I apologise for not being as emotionally intelligent as you so would appreciate some help here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    He didn't score an own goal, it was a comment raised in the context of Pakistan's sovereignty being undermined by unauthorised military strikes by foreign powers. The own goals are actually being scored by those who rush to bring it to the attention of those foreign powers in the hope of striking a blow against their own country. This is an own goal my friend, the very epitome of one.

    The same goes for efforts in this thread, instead of condemning the terror strikes, you are in fact blaming the victims in your eagerness to protect the reputation of the sponsors. Shame on you.
    Pakistan’s context with respect to Osama has zero international credibility. Whatever credibility Pakistan had completely evaporated when Osama was killed half a mile away from a military base in Abbottabad.

    We cannot get out of this looking good regardless of how we spin it. If we say that we didn’t know about his whereabouts, it brutally exposes our intelligence services. The world’s most wanted man was hiding next to a military base and they didn’t have a clue.

    If we saw that we knew, it reaffirms the perception that we are a safe haven for terrorists.

    Whether we consider Osama a terrorist or not from our perspective is meaningless, because our perspective and narrative does not sell.

    The international media have made headlines out of Imran calling him a shaheed so it was definitely an own goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    So if I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that because Imran Khan complained that the USA unauthorised strikes against OBL had turned him into a martyr, that gives India free reign to sponsor terror attacks at will against Pakistan? I apologise for not being as emotionally intelligent as you so would appreciate some help here.

    Absolutely not.

    Imran khan did not say that the US operation has turned OBL into a martyr. He clearly and unambiguously said OBL was a martyr. Big difference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    If naming India creates a mess that we cannot handle, we can always say that Imran’s tongue slipped. It is the most versatile excuse these days.
    Where was you Uncle Tom when 4 brave people got murdered? Your idiotic posts are pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    So if I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that because Imran Khan complained that the USA unauthorised strikes against OBL had turned him into a martyr, that gives India free reign to sponsor terror attacks at will against Pakistan? I apologise for not being as emotionally intelligent as you so would appreciate some help here.
    By the way, I don’t think Imran Khan’s tactics against India are futile. Anyone that argues the opposite is disingenuous.

    Imran Khan single-handedly helped change the West’s perceptions about Modi who’s is now near pariah territory among Americans even as his country is considered a strategic ally. This wasn’t possible with Nawaz Sharif who had a deluded notions about India and his own self-worth. Modi’s image today is one of a fascist madman and not the cute bear-hug machine that he was during Nawaz Sharif’s era.

    But when Imran Khan makes ridiculous statements such as OBL being a martyr, people should be able to call him out rather than going out of shape trying to spin it into something it’s not. I feel like people that apologize for Imran Khan even when he’s wrong are doing a serious disservice for Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Where was you Uncle Tom when 4 brave people got murdered? Your idiotic posts are pathetic.
    What should I have done and what would it achieve?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    You do remember the operation launched by Musharraf? It was mainly against two tribes. The Bugti tribe and the Marri tribe. Fact of the matter is that we all know what Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti and Mir Balach Marri had been doing in their regions and how the asserted control over this area.

    Anyhow, the conflict grew when both of these men presented a 15 point agenda demanding greater control of the resources of the province. As things grew heated 3 military personnel were wounded when shots were fired on their helicopter in Balochistan.

    A 2006 cable from the American Embassy in Islamabad leaked by WikiLeaks noted that, “There seems to be little support in the province, beyond the Bugti tribe, for the current insurgency.” (https://iar-gwu.org/sites/default/fi...Insurgency.pdf)

    Anyway, now that you know the background and who these people are. This ended with an army operation against these two people in Balochistan to put an end to the insurgency.

    Imran Khan repeatedly called out the millitary for its operation in the province and stated that the army was committing genocide in the province (you can google it and find the video).

    In 2009, two prominent people who were part of the insurgency escaped to England and claimed asylum there. Pakistan claimed that these people were terrorists and a court hearing was setup for these people. Imran Khan went to court and provided evidence for both of these people.

    "Coming out in support of two Baloch terror suspects, the cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan has told a UK court he supported the violent means of protest against a government if there was no other democratic option left to follow" (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/79...ays-Imran-Khan).

    The two people in court were Hyrbyair Marri (remember Marri tribe from the background earlier) and Faiz Baluch. These people were on trial for inciting murder and supporting the BLA which is considered a terrorist organisation.

    Imran has historically supported Al Qaeda and the Taliban. He called OBL a shaheed. He, has in the past, spoken in favour of those and given evidence in court in favour of those that were behind the Baloch insurgency.

    Under his leadership Ehsanullah Ehsan, the terrorist responsible for the attack on the Army Public School in Peshawar and the shooting of Malala Yousafzai, announced that he had escaped from prison and had managed to flee the country. (Yes, I blame him for this because how would it be possible for one of the most wanted men in the country to flee so easily without support from high up personnel and also why did he not bring to task those that were responsible for ensuring he does not escape and I don't mean scapegoats I mean the people really responsible)

    Khan is beholden to the military and bound to the mullah's
    Thanks for the links. I don't agree with his words there but I do agree with him as a position of PM highlighting India's meddling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    What should I have done and what would it achieve?
    I may have missed your condemnation( apologies If I did) but if you here trolling, where was your condemnation?

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    Modi mentioned Balochsitan in an independece day address few years ago

    Then the terrorist spy Yadav was caught in Baluchistan

    And then the BLA terrorist groups' own leadership are always singing praises of India for support

    dont need to be einstein to put two and two.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Modi mentioned Balochsitan in an independece day address few years ago

    Then the terrorist spy Yadav was caught in Baluchistan

    And then the BLA terrorist groups' own leadership are always singing praises of India for support

    dont need to be einstein to put two and two.
    The meetings between Kaptaan and the ISI a few weeks ago make perfect sense. It was a message to Modi that we know about your terrorist designs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinaman00 View Post
    Absolutely not.

    Imran khan did not say that the US operation has turned OBL into a martyr. He clearly and unambiguously said OBL was a martyr. Big difference!
    There is a thread about that, and the place to discuss it was in that thread. I don't understand why you would argue about it in this thread unless you think it somehow legitimises enemy countries sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan. Basically this is the conclusion that one comes to when reading your initial posts in this thread which are all about castigating the PTI and their leader rather than feeling outrage for the victims.

    I can see in further posts you have tried to clarify that India may have been behind the attacks, but the general tone is that Imran has brought it on himself by using the word shaheed for OBL. That takes all responsibility away from the sponsors of the terrorists as they can also claim it is all his fault.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    There is a thread about that, and the place to discuss it was in that thread. I don't understand why you would argue about it in this thread unless you think it somehow legitimises enemy countries sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan. Basically this is the conclusion that one comes to when reading your initial posts in this thread which are all about castigating the PTI and their leader rather than feeling outrage for the victims.

    I can see in further posts you have tried to clarify that India may have been behind the attacks, but the general tone is that Imran has brought it on himself by using the word shaheed for OBL. That takes all responsibility away from the sponsors of the terrorists as they can also claim it is all his fault.
    Actually, I am moral supporter of the PTI and consider it to be an upgrade from the corrupt dynastic feudal families of the Bhuttos and the Sharifs that have plunged Pakistan to the sad levels it’s today. But one can be anti PML/PPP & in fact, pro-PTI while holding Imran Khan accountable for his gaffes and freewheeling rants. Two things can be true at the same time and we should be mature enough to debate and discuss issues without emotions.

    India is a state sponsor of terrorism in Pakistan and has never hid its intentions to subvert and destabilize Pakistan. But India is not an omnipotent force and Pakistan has done an admirable job checking India and its evil designs. That doesn’t mean that we should relax back and accept the serious gaffe Imran Khan made which has utterly debunked Pakistan’s own narrative when it comes to terrorism. That he’s yet to issue clarification is a total outrage.

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    India is a necessary deflection for Imran because his government is failing and he needs to divert attention away from the circus show that his government has become.
    Do not understand your point. So the government did a self attack in order to blame India?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Do not understand your point. So the government did a self attack in order to blame India?
    How about diverting from internal issues.

    I mean right now India’s involvement is also a theory isn’t it? I mean is there any concrete proof that India was involved here apart from this Baloch said that or did that.

    After all Pakistan army/ISI seems to have an experience in this area be it 26/11 or other related incidents. By the way Kasab was a Pakistani and his village was shown by your own Geo TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    Do not understand your point. So the government did a self attack in order to blame India?
    No, but the only reason he directly blamed India was to divert attention away from the failures of his government.

    Modi does the same with respect to Pakistan. Everyone knows Pakistan funds militants in J&K and India pays it back in Balochistan, but blaming each other directly allows both Imran and Modi to divert attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinaman00 View Post
    Actually, I am moral supporter of the PTI and consider it to be an upgrade from the corrupt dynastic feudal families of the Bhuttos and the Sharifs that have plunged Pakistan to the sad levels it’s today. But one can be anti PML/PPP & in fact, pro-PTI while holding Imran Khan accountable for his gaffes and freewheeling rants. Two things can be true at the same time and we should be mature enough to debate and discuss issues without emotions.

    India is a state sponsor of terrorism in Pakistan and has never hid its intentions to subvert and destabilize Pakistan. But India is not an omnipotent force and Pakistan has done an admirable job checking India and its evil designs. That doesn’t mean that we should relax back and accept the serious gaffe Imran Khan made which has utterly debunked Pakistan’s own narrative when it comes to terrorism. That he’s yet to issue clarification is a total outrage.
    But that 'gaffe' had it's own thread, and it's own time and place. By focusing it on this thread, you have aided and abetted the evil designs of those who perpetrated this attack. Go back and read your original post on this thread and that much becomes quite apparent.

    This isn't mature discussion of two separate issues with a dubious link, it is political point scoring which has legitimised an enemy terror strike.


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    PSX terrorists remained in contact with handler, probe finds
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    mobile, Afghanistan, PSX attack probe
    KARACHI: Investigations into the Pakistan Stock Exchange (PSX) attack on Tuesday saw a major breakthrough after the security agencies succeeded in obtaining mobile phone used by terrorists to contact their handler, ARY NEWS reported.

    The investigating officers said that the phone records obtained by the authorities showed that the terrorists were in contact with their handler in Afghanistan.

    “Their handler was located in Kandahar city of Afghanistan,” the investigators said as they remained successful in tracing the calls made to the handler.

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    We are trying to dig out further to trace other calls made from the phone, they said.

    Earlier in the day, security agencies carried out a raid at a car showroom in Old Subzi Mandi area of the city, making headway into the probe of the Pakistan Stock Exchange (PSX) attack.

    According to the sources, the security personnel thoroughly interrogated the owner of the showroom and also obtained other evidence pertaining to the vehicle used by the terrorists in yesterday’s attack.

    The owner handed over the documents of the vehicle used by terrorists and also shared a CCTV footage with the officials, showing its purchasers.

    The CCTV footage also showed the alleged perpetrators of the PSX attack, leaving the showroom with the vehicle.

    At least 10 people were killed and several others injured after four suspected terrorists stormed the Pakistan Stock Exchange (PSX) building in Karachi on Monday.

    The attackers remained unsuccessful in entering the PSX premises after they were gunned down by police and private security guards at the gate.
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    Imran is surely following Modi's footsteps. The downfall of him as a leader has been sad to see. It's even tarnished his cricketing legacy to an extent.

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    India interfering in Balochistan, affecting Afghan peace efforts, says Qureshi

    (Karachi) Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi has said that India is interfering in Balochistan and affecting peace efforts in Afghanistan.

    In a statement on Wednesday, he said that India wants to destabilize Pakistan and divert attention of the world from its internal crisis.

    He maintained Pakistan has informed US Special Representative about India's nefarious intentions. "India aims to sabotage peace of the region by its actions and suicidal tendencies, like the attack on Pakistan Stock Exchange."

    He mentioned Pakistan has been apprising the world community that peace and stability in Afghanistan is inevitabale for development in the region. "Pakistan will continue to play its reconciliatory role in Afghan peace process.

    The foreign minister pointed out that India also orchestrated the Pulwama attack and blamed Pakistan but it failed in its conspiracy.

    He said we have been continuously apprising the global community about peace and security in the region. He said durable peace and stability in Afghanistan is inevitable for development and progress of the region. He said Pakistan, as a common responsibility, played a reconciliatory role in the Afghan Peace Process with utmost sincerity, which was commended by the entire world.

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    Please do not bow out of this thread. Kindly bow out of this forum. Have you considered leaving Pakistan, if not already done so.

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    PSX attack: Kamal sees RAW's involvement

    KARACHI: Pak Sarzameen Party Chairman Syed Mustafa Kamal has said that India's months-long conspiracy, and it's investment of billions of rupees to destabilize Pakistan particularly its economic lifeline Karachi, were wasted by Pakistani security agencies within just 8 minutes by eliminating all four RAW-sponsored terrorists before they could enter Pakistan Stock Exchange building.

    India is avenging his humiliating defeat by committing barbaric atrocities against Kashmiris, he said and added that India is shamelessly inflicting atrocities on innocent Kashmiris. The shameful incident of killing a grandfather in front of an innocent three-year-old Kashmiri child made the whole of humanity bow their heads in shame.

    India is continuously carrying extra judicial killings in occupied Kashmir and there is no one to stop it, he said and added that PSP is fighting the war of Kashmiris in Karachi. He said RAW was dominant in the metropolis, but PSP uprooted Indian agents from Pakistani soil by building brotherhood among Karachites.

    He expressed these views while addressing a meeting of the National Council of Party members.

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    NEW YORK: Pakistan’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations (UN), Munir Akram, said that the international community should take notice of the India’s state sponsored terrorism which poses serious threats to Pakistan, ARY News reported on Tuesday.

    Munir Akram raised the issue of Indian state terrorism in the United Nations (UN) while speaking at virtual Counter-Terrorism Week meeting in New York.

    Akram said that India was involved in terror attacks on Pakistan Stock Exchange (PSX) and Chinese consulate, as well as sponsoring terrorist mercenaries to carry out attacks in Pakistan.

    During the speech of Munir Akram, the Indian envoy to the UN kept interrupting his address by thrashing the diplomatic manners.

    Akram continued that the February’s anti-Muslim riots in New Delhi should be considered as a clear example of Islamophobia in India. The ruling BJP and RSS were practicising the fascist ideology of Hindutva, whereas, minorities in India were deliberately being suppressed.

    He said that Indian troops have continued atrocities in occupied Jammu and Kashmir besides blaming their struggle for the right of self-determination as terrorism.

    He reiterated that UN resolutions gave the right to Kashmiris for self-determination. Akram said that the Indian atrocities could not push back Kashmiris from their demand to get self-determination right.

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