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    "I will continue working hard and not bow down to negativity" : Saud Shakeel

    Regarded as a promising batting talent, Saud Shakeel has scored 2250 runs at an average of 45.91 and also has had the honour to lead the Pakistan Emerging team to winning the ACC Emerging Teams Asia Cup in 2019.

    In an exclusive interview with PakPassion.net, 24-year-old Saud Shakeel spoke about his disappointment at not playing for Pakistan despite his excellent domestic performances, the experience of playing alongside Sarfaraz Ahmed and Fawad Alam for Sindh, the exhilaration associated with leading his side to victory in the ACC Emerging Teams Asia Cup, and his aspirations to play for Pakistan when given the chance.





    PakPassion.net: How have you been keeping yourself busy during the ongoing break from cricket due to COVID-19?

    Saud Shakeel:
    Initially when this enforced break started, I immediately got into my own routine which included working out from home and I also used that time to build on my mental strength by reading books and other material. But as the restrictions on movement have eased over time, I am spending more time outdoors which should help me greatly when cricket does resume once again.


    PakPassion.net: You must be disappointed at not having played for Pakistan yet?

    Saud Shakeel:
    Obviously one is disappointed when oneís career does not pan out as they hoped it would, but the way I look at this situation is that all things in life happen for a reason, and there is always the right time for anything to happen in your life. I believe that this is due to the will of the Almighty and all I can do now is to keep on working hard. I must also accept that there could be some deficiencies in my game which have prevented my playing for Pakistan until now. So, for now, I am happy to continue concentrating on performing well and to be ready to capitalize on any opportunity to represent Pakistan, whenever that comes.


    PakPassion.net: Do you feel that the newly established province-based 6-team competition has improved the quality of domestic cricket in Pakistan?

    Saud Shakeel:
    It stands to reason that the quality of cricket would be better when you have just 6 teams as compared to 16 which we had last season. In addition, each of those 6 teams will have line-ups consisting of top players and if one is good enough to find a place in one of these sides, then there will be extra pressure to perform for each player. All these factors should lead to some top-quality performances and this is exactly what we saw in this yearís Quaid-e-Azam Trophy. The previous season was based upon the old-style departmental setup which had its own value, but overall, I enjoyed this season more as I felt that the level of professionalism was much higher compared to previous seasons. Obviously, the fact that some of my fellow players have become unemployed due to the abolition of departmental cricket is a concern but hopefully, these are all issues that the PCB will look at for next season and beyond.


    PakPassion.net: What was the experience of playing for the new Sindh team this year?

    Saud Shakeel:
    Personally speaking, I really enjoyed playing for my new Sindh side. This was an amazing experience because being a Karachi player, I got the chance to represent a team for my provincial side. The other interesting thing about playing for Sindh was that I got to play alongside players I would not have had a chance of playing with in the previous departmental setup. So, for example, Sarfaraz Ahmed was playing for PIA in previous seasons and I was representing PTV and we would never get a chance to play alongside each other but that changed this year as we both represented Sindh. The same applied to Asad Shafiq and Fawad Alam who were in different departments before but now I had the chance to share the dressing room with them.


    PakPassion.net: How tough was the competition when playing alongside such big names in domestic cricket?

    Saud Shakeel:
    Of course, when you play in a team like Sindh with such big names, you cannot take your place for granted as competition is very high and just a few bad performances can lead to you being dropped. In a domestic system where there are many teams and you are one of the senior players, you can get lazy because your position is secure in the side even if you have a run of bad scores. In my case, I had never been dropped by my previous sides in first-class cricket but this season, as Abid Ali came back into the side, I was asked to sit out some games. One can always look at this in a negative way but I feel that such a situation fills me with a desire to work even harder to show my utility to the side.


    PakPassion.net: Do you feel that there is a danger that you could become another Fawad Alam type player if you do not get a chance to play for Pakistan soon?

    Saud Shakeel:
    Firstly, let me say that we are all proud of how hard Fawad Alam has worked all these years and it makes us all happy that his efforts have been rewarded with a place in the Pakistan squad which is touring England at the moment. As for my career, I donít worry about any such comparisons and will continue working hard and not bow down to negativity, as that can really affect you mentally.


    PakPassion.net: What are the positive changes that you have made in your game over the past few years?

    Saud Shakeel:
    Honestly speaking, the only real change I have made is in terms of improvement of fitness. This is one area that I lacked a lot and over the past few years, I have worked very hard on this aspect of my cricket. My statistics in one-day and four-day games are pretty good but I am still trying to improve my balance at the crease and also my power-hitting abilities which I feel I am lacking in a little. Of course, learning never stops for any sportsman and I am constantly looking to improve my batting skills at all times.


    PakPassion.net: Do you feel that your batting skills are at a level where you can play for Pakistan and compete with the best players in the country?

    Saud Shakeel:
    When one starts playing cricket, one always has a dream to represent his country, and the same applies to me. All my energies and my hard work have been directed towards this goal and I do feel that given my past performances, I can compete with the very best in Pakistan, whenever given the chance.


    PakPassion.net: How was the experience of captaining the Pakistan Emerging side in the ACC Emerging Teams Asia Cup last year?

    Saud Shakeel:
    The experience of leading the Pakistan Emerging side was amazing, especially as we won the title under my leadership. Of course, defeating traditional rivals India in the semi-finals was a very special feeling as well. This was a huge learning opportunity for me as it was the first time I was captaining a Pakistan side at any level and to lead my team to success in the semi-final against India and then to defeat Bangladesh in the final was absolutely exhilarating for the team and myself.

    As an individual player, I knew how to conduct myself but as a captain, the skills needed to run a team and keep them motivated was a completely different and enjoyable experience for me. One has to remember that squads such as Pakistan Emerging are composed not too long before the start of the tournament so the real challenge, especially for a captain, is to try and get to know the side and make it gel as soon as possible. In the case of the ACC Emerging Teams Asia Cup, we got together about two days before departure for Bangladesh as our own season was in progress in Pakistan. The manner in which our squad adjusted to conditions in Bangladesh was amazing and credit goes to the team management for their support at that time. The hot weather was another challenge and we had to travel a bit there too but we overcame all the hurdles and won the tournament which really spoke volumes about our players and their dedication.


    PakPassion.net: Do you feel that there is too much focus on big hitters in Pakistan at the moment and not on orthodox batsmen like yourself?

    Saud Shakeel:
    It is correct that there is a general impression nowadays that players who can hit big are more useful but whenever this issue is brought up, I always point to the example of batsmen like Babar Azam. He is an orthodox batsman who is regarded as one of the worldís top players in not just the T20 format but all versions of the game. Having said that, I do agree that power-hitting has become an important part of every batsmanís game and they need to develop this part of their cricket as there is a definite need for this during certain match situations.


    PakPassion.net: Does the fact that you have never played a PSL match frustrate you?

    Saud Shakeel:
    I think frustration would be too strong a word to use, but I am definitely a little disappointed that I have never played a match in the PSL when I was part of the Quetta Gladiators squad in the second and third seasons. Having waited patiently for a chance to play for two years and not get a chance to showcase my skills at such a big platform like PSL does irk me a little. Once again, itís down to the fact that some things are not in oneís control and there is no point worrying about it. I have known Nadeem Omar and Azam Khan from the Quetta management for many years now and I am convinced that they have always looked after my best interests and possibly did not see any way in which I could be included in the side at that point. I am sure that in the future, they will give me an opportunity to play for Quetta and I will do my best if given that chance.


    PakPassion.net: Looking ahead, what goals have you set for yourself?

    Saud Shakeel:
    My immediate and even long-term goal is a simple one and this is based upon what I have prepared for all my life, which is to play for my country. I am happy to play in any format of the game for Pakistan and I can assure you that if given the chance to play, I will make it count and look to cement my place for as long as possible.

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    His first class record is not as good as Sami Aslam, Kamran Akmal, Fawad Alam, etc.
    Have he ever been among top 5 run scorers in QAE trophy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SARJ_BD View Post
    His first class record is not as good as Sami Aslam, Kamran Akmal, Fawad Alam, etc.
    Have he ever been among top 5 run scorers in QAE trophy?
    He averages higher than Sami and Kami.

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    Saud Shakeel is the SECOND best young batsman in Pakistan right now.

    The list goes like this:

    Abdullah Shafique
    Saud Shakeel
    Saif Badar

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    This guy is not as good as his record shows but still I rate him over impact less players like Azhar or Shafiq. But don't think under Misbah he will get any opportunity.

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    We need young batsman that are intelligent, technically good and hungry. Most of the young batsman we have are poor in all 3 areas. I have only seen bits of him but he looks decent, and you would have thought he would have had a ODI game for PK by now even against a team like Zim or Ireland.

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    This could be another one of those situations where a Pakistani player's career is wasted.

    By now, this lad should have been on the verge of the national team, not scratching around in domestic cricket and carrying drinks and towels in the PSL.

    This is where Pakistan cricket does not help itself.



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    Agreed he is a massive talent but he needs to apply pressure by scoring tons of runs and he has been performing but he is not really knocking the door down.

    Wish him the best of luck but next season whenever that is he needs to score a ton of runs

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    Under Misbah a 24 years old has no chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    Under Misbah a 24 years old has no chance.
    You mean to say he needs to be 34

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    If you look at his stats, it is quite striking that at the age of nearly 25, he has only played 36 FC games averaging nearly 46 but that too in 5 years where as someone in India or in England would have played 50+ easily by this time.

    This points out to a major problem I have spoken out numerous times about here about the domestic cricket structure where "has beens" are picked and played between the ages of 33-38 and those between 18-25 get the job of mostly being benched or carrying around drinks etc;

    Injuries could also be a part of his FC games being low during these 5 years but overall in general, his FC games count should have been in the 50-65 range.

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    Looking at his stats, he should already have been a part of the Intl setup.

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    It's who you know, not what you know.

    I'm sure there are others in the same boat as Saud.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Deewana Mastana View Post
    If you look at his stats, it is quite striking that at the age of nearly 25, he has only played 36 FC games averaging nearly 46 but that too in 5 years where as someone in India or in England would have played 50+ easily by this time.

    This points out to a major problem I have spoken out numerous times about here about the domestic cricket structure where "has beens" are picked and played between the ages of 33-38 and those between 18-25 get the job of mostly being benched or carrying around drinks etc;

    Injuries could also be a part of his FC games being low during these 5 years but overall in general, his FC games count should have been in the 50-65 range.
    @Saj Have any of these been a factor in his career so far that he has just played 36 games when he is nearly 25 now as in issues with fitness or being benched for a senior "has been" that has shaped his career the way it has so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    This could be another one of those situations where a Pakistani player's career is wasted.

    By now, this lad should have been on the verge of the national team, not scratching around in domestic cricket and carrying drinks and towels in the PSL.

    This is where Pakistan cricket does not help itself.
    This is because top people running PCB are not honest and only select whom they know.It has to do with honestly first, and then skill/knowledge/professionalism ... follows. We imported an intellectual from UK but the results still the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deewana Mastana View Post
    @Saj Have any of these been a factor in his career so far that he has just played 36 games when he is nearly 25 now as in issues with fitness or being benched for a senior "has been" that has shaped his career the way it has so far.
    He's a quiet lad so he won't say too much, but I know there have been occasions where he was supposed to play but was benched at the last minute.

    Standard stuff in Pakistan cricket.



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    Should have been in the Pakistan squad for the England tour.



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    Struggling for chances and runs at the moment.

    A duck today in the QeA Trophy.



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    So much hype but whenever I've seen him play he's failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    So much hype but whenever I’ve seen him play he’s failed.
    Must not have seen his too often then because despite having a lean run during the last year, he still averages 45+ in FC and LA cricket…

    He made 151 in his last innings during QeA 19/20, needs to get some similar scores this year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    So much hype but whenever I've seen him play he's failed.
    Maybe you should avoid watching him so he can score runs

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    He needs to develop himself as a tougher competitor and show more determination.

    He's a really nice lad, maybe too nice and that's his problem.



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    50* off 51 balls in the 4th innings while chasing 212 with some elegant drives.

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    Playing well so far. Would do his chances of selection a huge favour if he can successfully chase this down.

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    I am not sure if can cope with international level pace but he looks a player. Its the type of talent that should have had 15 tests behind him by now. Instead young Asad Shafiq has 5 more years of an already very long rope ahead of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    He needs to develop himself as a tougher competitor and show more determination.

    He's a really nice lad, maybe too nice and that's his problem.
    Pleasing on the eye.

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    He is a very good player ...he got a jaffer in the first innings..

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    Saud might not get into PAK XI any time soon, because I think there is no one to back him. He is already 25 and I have seen categorical discrimination against him.

    First, he was PAK U19 for two WCs - 2014 made the Final as well. From his batch Sami Aslam & Imam has made PAK team long back.

    Potential players move step by step, unless you have an uncle as CS. So, he went to UK in 2016, thatís over 4 years back with A team - I believe made a hundred in one of the 4 day games and chased a target at 8 asking with Babar in another game - from that A tour, Babar went straight to PAK squad; Saud went backward.

    That 2016-17 PAK domestic season was played on difficult tracks & I can recall he scored over 600 runs at 47-48, didnít get his National call yet; though he had done his job.

    Jan-Feb 2016 or 17 he played in PAK domestic List A Cup (forgot tournament name), and I believe he scored 2/3 hundreds in that tournament- he wasnít called for the ODI squad.

    Then came different discrimination - with single digit cricket IQ, one should know that the guy is not a slogger - under Rizwan he was called for PAK A against Pom Loins I believe (or Kiwis A may be) - they slotted him at 7 as all-rounder and some 30 years old Mo Saad (whom I didnít hear about before or after) batted at 3 - still, I believe Saud made a match winning 69* in one game.

    By that time Bhanja made PAK squad with his 30is List A average at below 70 SR and made a career out of SRL and ZIM reserves - went to Test squad from there on.

    For last two seasons, I donít see Saud performing that well, so the excuses this time are valid. More over, they have played him in T20s which is not his strongest suit and trying to adjust his game for T20, he is losing his touch.

    A batsman (for every country, more so in PAK), has a window of 2-3 years at the start of career when he is U23 - you make your mark and get into National team - then swim or sink. For 5 years, this guy is trying to reach the swimming pool without success. By that time, next batch has come and Haider, Ruhail, Khusdil, Talat, Abdullah .... has leap-frogged him.

    Two batsmen have been hard done by PCB systematically- Saud and the one is Saad Ali. And, not sure where Saad Ali is these days, but Saud isnít performing enough to force his way now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Saud might not get into PAK XI any time soon, because I think there is no one to back him. He is already 25 and I have seen categorical discrimination against him.

    First, he was PAK U19 for two WCs - 2014 made the Final as well. From his batch Sami Aslam & Imam has made PAK team long back.

    Potential players move step by step, unless you have an uncle as CS. So, he went to UK in 2016, that’s over 4 years back with A team - I believe made a hundred in one of the 4 day games and chased a target at 8 asking with Babar in another game - from that A tour, Babar went straight to PAK squad; Saud went backward.

    That 2016-17 PAK domestic season was played on difficult tracks & I can recall he scored over 600 runs at 47-48, didn’t get his National call yet; though he had done his job.

    Jan-Feb 2016 or 17 he played in PAK domestic List A Cup (forgot tournament name), and I believe he scored 2/3 hundreds in that tournament- he wasn’t called for the ODI squad.

    Then came different discrimination - with single digit cricket IQ, one should know that the guy is not a slogger - under Rizwan he was called for PAK A against Pom Loins I believe (or Kiwis A may be) - they slotted him at 7 as all-rounder and some 30 years old Mo Saad (whom I didn’t hear about before or after) batted at 3 - still, I believe Saud made a match winning 69* in one game.

    By that time Bhanja made PAK squad with his 30is List A average at below 70 SR and made a career out of SRL and ZIM reserves - went to Test squad from there on.

    For last two seasons, I don’t see Saud performing that well, so the excuses this time are valid. More over, they have played him in T20s which is not his strongest suit and trying to adjust his game for T20, he is losing his touch.

    A batsman (for every country, more so in PAK), has a window of 2-3 years at the start of career when he is U23 - you make your mark and get into National team - then swim or sink. For 5 years, this guy is trying to reach the swimming pool without success. By that time, next batch has come and Haider, Ruhail, Khusdil, Talat, Abdullah .... has leap-frogged him.

    Two batsmen have been hard done by PCB systematically- Saud and the one is Saad Ali. And, not sure where Saad Ali is these days, but Saud isn’t performing enough to force his way now.
    There is systematic bias against Karachi players. Asad played for so long because he belonged from the the same department as Misbah.

    Rashid Latif is so right about Kabeela system. Why didn't Saud get the same treatment as someone like Abdullah Shafique ? Abdullah is from central punjab

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    Changed the momentum towards Sindh today by batting so fluently in 4th innings on a not so easy wicket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    There is systematic bias against Karachi players. Asad played for so long because he belonged from the the same department as Misbah.

    Rashid Latif is so right about Kabeela system. Why didn't Saud get the same treatment as someone like Abdullah Shafique ? Abdullah is from central punjab
    Saudís biggest loss was something that has made Babar Azam today. From 2016íA tour, Babar went strait to PAK squad - thatís 3 dedicated years under Mickey Arthur; and trust me, thatís what has made Babar today. Please, donít go to that talunt route - batting is a process oriented, systematic development; you need professionals to groom you; obviously Babar had the desire & hunger to learn & grow, which his infamous fat cousin didnít possess.

    If he were called even for PAK squad, Arthur would have a close, long look at him and I am sure he would have picked Saud for a long-term top order spot, preferably at 3 or 4, but could be opener as well. Saud was categorically denied that opportunity by the guy who knows cricket very, very well - played for PAK for 17 years, 5 World Cups and one of the greats of the game. Canít & shouldnít say about regional discrimination, but that man is one of the most morally corrupt guy in PAK cricket .... and, as I said, he is not Basit Ali. He made sure that Arthur doesnít get a look of Saud before his nephew and this was deliberate - you donít play 500+ internationals without intelligence.

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    Should take Asad Shafiq's spot in the test team

    Shan
    Imam
    Abdullah
    Babar
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    Haris
    Rizwan


    Full credit to Micky Arthur for realizing Babar Azam was born to bat at 3 in all formats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Saudís biggest loss was something that has made Babar Azam today. From 2016íA tour, Babar went strait to PAK squad - thatís 3 dedicated years under Mickey Arthur; and trust me, thatís what has made Babar today. Please, donít go to that talunt route - batting is a process oriented, systematic development; you need professionals to groom you; obviously Babar had the desire & hunger to learn & grow, which his infamous fat cousin didnít possess.

    If he were called even for PAK squad, Arthur would have a close, long look at him and I am sure he would have picked Saud for a long-term top order spot, preferably at 3 or 4, but could be opener as well. Saud was categorically denied that opportunity by the guy who knows cricket very, very well - played for PAK for 17 years, 5 World Cups and one of the greats of the game. Canít & shouldnít say about regional discrimination, but that man is one of the most morally corrupt guy in PAK cricket .... and, as I said, he is not Basit Ali. He made sure that Arthur doesnít get a look of Saud before his nephew and this was deliberate - you donít play 500+ internationals without intelligence.
    Too much conspiracy. Saud has to score runs and not get out softly.
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    Saud is a good prospect and I really hope he is part of the Pakistan A tour to New Zealand. We can't keep wasting prime years of players only to have them in the team when they are past their best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Too much conspiracy. Saud has to score runs and not get out softly.
    He did that for 2-3 years - got demoted from A team to lower.

    If you donít like my theory, canít help much - please try to give a cricket explanation of picking an opener with 30/70 stats for PAK ODI squad over a similar aged middle order with 45/85 stats, who can bowl a bit as well and when PAK squad is over loaded with left-handed openers, but struggling to find one good middle order to replace YK, Misbah & eventually Asad.

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    Saud in addition to his 61 took 2/11 with the ball, Can be a useful part time bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    He did that for 2-3 years - got demoted from A team to lower.

    If you donít like my theory, canít help much - please try to give a cricket explanation of picking an opener with 30/70 stats for PAK ODI squad over a similar aged middle order with 45/85 stats, who can bowl a bit as well and when PAK squad is over loaded with left-handed openers, but struggling to find one good middle order to replace YK, Misbah & eventually Asad.
    Cricket explanation for ODIs is that an opener was needed at the time, not a middle order bat (due to the backing of Hafeez and Malik in ODI cricket).

    For Tests, absolutely should have been Saud who was backed after Younis and Misbah.

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    Poor lad should look to change his domicile to Lahore if he wants to stand any chance of being selected.

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    It's not some conspiracy theory, Saud hasn't been selected because he hasn't performed in T20's/PSL to get noticed. The selection committee is so dumb that unless you perform in PSL like Fakhar/Shadab/Hasan/Haider and even Abdullah did this season, you don't really get noticed.

    The FC performance seems to mean very little at this point considering players like Sameen Gul dominated last year in FC and didn't even get tryouts whereas T20 bowlers like Musa are being picked.

    Obviously if the selection committee had a brain, he would have been selected to ODI's/Test a while ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Cricket explanation for ODIs is that an opener was needed at the time, not a middle order bat (due to the backing of Hafeez and Malik in ODI cricket).

    For Tests, absolutely should have been Saud who was backed after Younis and Misbah.
    Bro, when Imam was selected, Azhar was Captain & locking one of the opening slots - there were Fakhar, Sami & Shan; I believe Sharjeel wasnít banned yet... then Moha was still considered as opener, Shahzad was in picture, and Shan was in absolute beast for couple of years in List A ... still you think a 30/70 stat lefti opener was required to bash ZIM reserves?


    Looking into Saudís stats, he still averages 45+ in FC cricket with 7 hundreds for 2300+ runs & has a 47/85 stats in List A including PAK A games for 2200+ runs - thatís after couple of low seasons - I can bet, combined FC & List A - no PAK batsman, may be excluding Babar has a better stats over 4 years combined period; and guy can bowl as well - has 40+ wickets also.

    Still need to ďperformĒ to get into 29 men, this contemporary PAK squad?

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    He is batsman who suited to batting at 5 at the higher levels.

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    @MMHS agreed, I do think Inzamam is responsible for bias in Imamís selection. But also I feel that Saud had not really knocked the door down at the time. Itís symptomatic of a deeper issue in selections within Pakistan cricket. We donít back the right promising youngsters, and when we do, we fail to back them long enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    @MMHS agreed, I do think Inzamam is responsible for bias in Imam’s selection. But also I feel that Saud had not really knocked the door down at the time. It’s symptomatic of a deeper issue in selections within Pakistan cricket. We don’t back the right promising youngsters, and when we do, we fail to back them long enough.
    One of the issues is that we don't play enough against good teams so average players get far too long in the team. Players like AA and AS should have played around 40 tests max but instead they get years of undeserved selection. If we played Aus, Ind on a regular basis on good wickets the poor players would have been shown up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    @MMHS agreed, I do think Inzamam is responsible for bias in Imamís selection. But also I feel that Saud had not really knocked the door down at the time. Itís symptomatic of a deeper issue in selections within Pakistan cricket. We donít back the right promising youngsters, and when we do, we fail to back them long enough.
    This one I wonít agree bro - a player canít go to the selectors & do ďodd jobsĒ, to be selected.

    Saud had the age, he had the touch, timing & placement- and numbers behind as well. You donít need to play 500+! International games to see what is there in a young batsman- even better if you indeed have 17 years & 500+ games. Thatís why, you may notice I have used a particular term - ďmorally corruptĒ. When you are paid for a job, itís part of your prayers - in good faith & without negligence. You see, just for the sake of winning arguments, I didnít mention one guy I really liked, in the list of lefti openers, because his time is over, though he was scoring well as opener at the time Imam was picked - Umer Amin, could bowl effective medium pace as well.

    For this one (Saud), Iíll never blame Misbah - he inherited a selection policy which neglected the most exciting batting prospect from PAK in some years and categorically pushed behind so that influential but honest people in charge - aka Mickey Arthur doesnít have a look at it. The guy is an ECB level 4 pro coach - some of his pupils are Abraham de Villiers, Hashim Amla, Graeme Smith, Jaques Kallis, Quintin de Kok, Michel Clarke, Dave Warner, Babar Azam ...... he could definitely differentiate between a Ferrari & a Fiat.

    Now, Misbah has got a Saud Shakeel, not part of any PAK squad after trying for best part of 5 years; not performing at that initial few years level either like 3 years back - Saud has just 1, max 1.5 years .... if not, Imam Ul Haq will end up captaining Pakistan with a 10-12 years career at least, and Saud Shakilís greatest achievement will remain 137 for PAK A in UK in 2016 - thatís the outcome of moral corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    This one I wonít agree bro - a player canít go to the selectors & do ďodd jobsĒ, to be selected.

    Saud had the age, he had the touch, timing & placement- and numbers behind as well. You donít need to play 500+! International games to see what is there in a young batsman- even better if you indeed have 17 years & 500+ games. Thatís why, you may notice I have used a particular term - ďmorally corruptĒ. When you are paid for a job, itís part of your prayers - in good faith & without negligence. You see, just for the sake of winning arguments, I didnít mention one guy I really liked, in the list of lefti openers, because his time is over, though he was scoring well as opener at the time Imam was picked - Umer Amin, could bowl effective medium pace as well.

    For this one (Saud), Iíll never blame Misbah - he inherited a selection policy which neglected the most exciting batting prospect from PAK in some years and categorically pushed behind so that influential but honest people in charge - aka Mickey Arthur doesnít have a look at it. The guy is an ECB level 4 pro coach - some of his pupils are Abraham de Villiers, Hashim Amla, Graeme Smith, Jaques Kallis, Quintin de Kok, Michel Clarke, Dave Warner, Babar Azam ...... he could definitely differentiate between a Ferrari & a Fiat.

    Now, Misbah has got a Saud Shakeel, not part of any PAK squad after trying for best part of 5 years; not performing at that initial few years level either like 3 years back - Saud has just 1, max 1.5 years .... if not, Imam Ul Haq will end up captaining Pakistan with a 10-12 years career at least, and Saud Shakilís greatest achievement will remain 137 for PAK A in UK in 2016 - thatís the outcome of moral corruption.
    Looking ahead, I think inshAllah Saud does get called up to the Shaheens for the NZ tour as he's previously captained both the Shaheens and the Emerging team that won the Emerging team Asia cup. He then has to absolutely make a ton of runs in NZ and then in the Pakistan Cup. One benefit of all domestic cricket being available to view by the masses is that selectors have no place to hide when it comes to not selecting domestic performers. Plus, the new selector post Misbah will want to make popular selections, and if Saud performs, InshAllah he'll get in. Lastly, with Sarfaraz also getting phased out, cynically there will be a need for a Karachi player to be in the national squads. Again, if Saud performs InshAllah, this may work in his favour as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfPakBreakfast View Post
    Looking ahead, I think inshAllah Saud does get called up to the Shaheens for the NZ tour as he's previously captained both the Shaheens and the Emerging team that won the Emerging team Asia cup. He then has to absolutely make a ton of runs in NZ and then in the Pakistan Cup. One benefit of all domestic cricket being available to view by the masses is that selectors have no place to hide when it comes to not selecting domestic performers. Plus, the new selector post Misbah will want to make popular selections, and if Saud performs, InshAllah he'll get in. Lastly, with Sarfaraz also getting phased out, cynically there will be a need for a Karachi player to be in the national squads. Again, if Saud performs InshAllah, this may work in his favour as well.
    There could be issues with Karachi players, Sindh players - I wonít go there. But, trust me - Saudís case is not Karachi - in that case he wonít have been kept in touch for Junior teams for so long. I doubt even if he were from Lahore, it would have happened; or may be at cost of another young man.

    Because, his issue was that his career encompassing with CSís nephew, his selection peak time crossed path under a CS who debuted 4 players in 4 years (for 4-5 games in total) during his captaincy, in a period when PAK won back to back U19 WCs - he had numbers good enough to be called for PAK team of 1990s; but not good enough to beat CSís nephew for PAK team of 2010s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    There is systematic bias against Karachi players. Asad played for so long because he belonged from the the same department as Misbah.

    Rashid Latif is so right about Kabeela system. Why didn't Saud get the same treatment as someone like Abdullah Shafique ? Abdullah is from central punjab
    It was Mohammad Wasim (from North Punjab) who appointed Saud as captain of PTV team while his own city mates kept ignoring him.

    Karachites are part of the same qabeela system. Sarfaraz and co never even gave a chance to Saud while he was captain of both Pakistan and gladiators' team. Nawaz, Azam Khan, Ramiz Raja were on good terms with Sarfaraz and Nadeem Omar hence they got numerous chances in PSL.

    Even supposedly clean, honest, upright, man of character, Mr Rashid Latif proposed Tabish khan and Jaahid Ali for Karachi Kings when they were looking into local players.

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    Saud should have made his international debut almost 3 years ago. We are wasting him just like we did with Haris Sohail.

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    Saud looks a class player and has decent stats he should be in the shaheens squad

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    Saud made 61 from 70 balls with six fours - Video highlights from PCB




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    I see a Kumar Sangakara in that clip 1st & 4th boundary; that second boundary has reminiscences of one certain Trinidad lefti in that bat swing & follow through. The leg flick for third boundary I saw something similar last from a PAK lefti about 19 years back....

    Obviously itís PAK domestics hence the level is different, but if we canít recognise batsmen from a look of it, any excel sheet can do the selection job - even then this guy was beating almost everyone in excel as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Viper View Post
    Saud in addition to his 61 took 2/11 with the ball, Can be a useful part time bowler.
    He's very very part time - i personally wouldn't look into his bowling too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    This one I won’t agree bro - a player can’t go to the selectors & do “odd jobs”, to be selected.

    Saud had the age, he had the touch, timing & placement- and numbers behind as well. You don’t need to play 500+! International games to see what is there in a young batsman- even better if you indeed have 17 years & 500+ games. That’s why, you may notice I have used a particular term - “morally corrupt”. When you are paid for a job, it’s part of your prayers - in good faith & without negligence. You see, just for the sake of winning arguments, I didn’t mention one guy I really liked, in the list of lefti openers, because his time is over, though he was scoring well as opener at the time Imam was picked - Umer Amin, could bowl effective medium pace as well.

    For this one (Saud), I’ll never blame Misbah - he inherited a selection policy which neglected the most exciting batting prospect from PAK in some years and categorically pushed behind so that influential but honest people in charge - aka Mickey Arthur doesn’t have a look at it. The guy is an ECB level 4 pro coach - some of his pupils are Abraham de Villiers, Hashim Amla, Graeme Smith, Jaques Kallis, Quintin de Kok, Michel Clarke, Dave Warner, Babar Azam ...... he could definitely differentiate between a Ferrari & a Fiat.

    Now, Misbah has got a Saud Shakeel, not part of any PAK squad after trying for best part of 5 years; not performing at that initial few years level either like 3 years back - Saud has just 1, max 1.5 years .... if not, Imam Ul Haq will end up captaining Pakistan with a 10-12 years career at least, and Saud Shakil’s greatest achievement will remain 137 for PAK A in UK in 2016 - that’s the outcome of moral corruption.
    What would you suggest to Saud from here? Any batting tips or anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullet Drive View Post
    What would you suggest to Saud from here? Any batting tips or anything?
    No, he is above that level. But, I think I can ask him is to be absolutely stubborn- if I am to play, bat me at 3, max 4.... otherwise change team. Obviously heíll have to put runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    No, he is above that level. But, I think I can ask him is to be absolutely stubborn- if I am to play, bat me at 3, max 4.... otherwise change team. Obviously heíll have to put runs.
    Never seen you being this vocal for any player.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    No, he is above that level. But, I think I can ask him is to be absolutely stubborn- if I am to play, bat me at 3, max 4.... otherwise change team. Obviously he’ll have to put runs.
    He can't do that though that's the issue. He is from the same club as all these guys, and this 'respecting seniors' is the biggest thing ruining Pak cricket now.

    Btw, you need to have an advisory role at the PCB or a managerial role with players.

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    Some lovely shots in the latest clip. So much time to play his shots and lovely balance and wrist work.

    I just hope he doesn't become another nearly man like Fawad Alam.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Some lovely shots in the latest clip. So much time to play his shots and lovely balance and wrist work.

    I just hope he doesn't become another nearly man like Fawad Alam.
    He should have been selected when Fawad was selected, in place of Fawad. Just as Fawad should once have been selected in someone elseís place many years ago.

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    Saw that highlights of his 61 and must say some shots were really pleasing on the eye.

    From what I remember of seeing him some years back, he looks much leaner and fitter which is a good thing to see that he has worked and hopefully continues to work on his game and fitness.

    He just needs to really have a cracking FC season this year to knock the doors of the national team in the coming year.

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    He should replace Azhar or Shafiq in the test team.




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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    He should replace Azhar or Shafiq in the test team.
    Very doubtful he will play for pakistan very soon even thou he should be in the squad

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    Sindh have been dealt with the blows of Khurram Manzoor (15), Sharjeel Khan (12) and Asad Shafiq (one) in their ongoing run chase and will be pinning hopes on Saud Shakeel, unbeaten on 46.


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    Excellent 103* for Saud, hopefully a few more of such innings could get him in Pakistan side


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    Needs to become the player of the tournament this year so Misbah can select him and keep him on the bench.

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    Scores 148*.

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    He looks a player, he needs to consistently put scores on the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    He looks a player, he needs to consistently put scores on the board.
    He averages 47 in first-class, so he pretty much is.

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    yes consitency is the key...him and talatt have done well so far but need to keep it up..

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    That will bump his average nicely needs to be more consistent though I think he is ready take number 5 spot from asad shaifiq

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    Keep the good work up he has good stats

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    67* overnight for Saud Shakeel

    Second highest run scorer now.

    Hopefully he finishes with a double ton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullet Drive View Post
    67* overnight for Saud Shakeel

    Second highest run scorer now.

    Hopefully he finishes with a double ton.
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    Yes.

    I see no reason to retain a 31 year old Haris Sohail ahead of a 27 year old Saud Shakeel.

    Part of me wonders whether Mohammad Nawaz could be sent to work with Gary Palmer. You could elevate Rizwan to bat at 5 in Tests, Nawaz at 6 and Shadab at 7.

    Outside Asia you could field 4 quicks plus Shadab plus Nawaz.

    In Asia youíd pick Sajid Khan as a lead spinner of 3 alongside 3 quicks.

    Iím thinking:

    1. Shan Masood
    2. Abdullah Shafique
    3. Saud Shakeel (or Haider Ali)
    4. Babar Azam
    5. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
    6. Mohammad Nawaz
    7. Shadab Khan
    8. Amad Butt
    9. Hasan Ali (SENA) / Sajid Khan (Asia)
    10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
    11. Naseem Shah

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    Saud Shakeel is now the leading run scorer of Quaid e Azam 2020

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Yes.

    I see no reason to retain a 31 year old Haris Sohail ahead of a 27 year old Saud Shakeel.

    Part of me wonders whether Mohammad Nawaz could be sent to work with Gary Palmer. You could elevate Rizwan to bat at 5 in Tests, Nawaz at 6 and Shadab at 7.

    Outside Asia you could field 4 quicks plus Shadab plus Nawaz.

    In Asia you’d pick Sajid Khan as a lead spinner of 3 alongside 3 quicks.

    I’m thinking:

    1. Shan Masood
    2. Abdullah Shafique
    3. Saud Shakeel (or Haider Ali)
    4. Babar Azam
    5. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
    6. Mohammad Nawaz
    7. Shadab Khan
    8. Amad Butt
    9. Hasan Ali (SENA) / Sajid Khan (Asia)
    10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
    11. Naseem Shah

    Saud Shakeel > Haider Ali

    For Asia, this is a perfect team. Maybe in future I'd swap Shan for Haider/Omair Bin Yousuf.

    So it'd go like this:

    Haider Ali/Omair Yousuf
    Abdullah Shafique
    Saud Shakeel
    Babar Azam
    Rizwan(wk)
    Shadab
    Nawaz
    Amad Butt
    Sajid Khan
    Shaheen
    Naseem

    In SENA you can go:

    Omair Bin Yousuf
    Abdullah Shafique
    Saud Shakeel
    Babar Azam
    Haider Ali
    Rizwan
    Shadab Khan
    Amad Butt
    Hasan Ali
    Shaheen Afridi
    Naseem Shah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullet Drive View Post
    Saud Shakeel > Haider Ali

    For Asia, this is a perfect team. Maybe in future I'd swap Shan for Haider/Omair Bin Yousuf.

    So it'd go like this:

    Haider Ali/Omair Yousuf
    Abdullah Shafique
    Saud Shakeel
    Babar Azam
    Rizwan(wk)
    Shadab
    Nawaz
    Amad Butt
    Sajid Khan
    Shaheen
    Naseem

    In SENA you can go:

    Omair Bin Yousuf
    Abdullah Shafique
    Saud Shakeel
    Babar Azam
    Haider Ali
    Rizwan
    Shadab Khan
    Amad Butt
    Hasan Ali
    Shaheen Afridi
    Naseem Shah
    I would switch Haider and Saud. Haider is an opener and could be an attacking option at #3.

    I think #3 is too high for Saud. He will be much better at #4/5. He is really good against spin, plus sometimes he struggles against swing.

    He is Pakistanís best player of spin after Haris and Asad.

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    The guy has been on a bit of a journey. Overlooked for the national side for years, no PSL, and didn't even get into the extended squads for England or NZ.

    Hopefully this has equipped a bit of fight into him, because he'll be stepping up to replace Azhar Ali within a year tops.

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    115* for Sindh v Balochistan on Day 3 of QeA20


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    115* for Sindh v Balochistan on Day 3 of QeA20
    Saud should be in New Zealand right now.

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