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    Supreme Court hints at banning YouTube

    The Supreme Court hinted at banning YouTube in Pakistan on Wednesday while hearing the case of a man, Shaukat Ali, involved in a sectarian crime.

    Justice Qazi Muhammad Amin and Justice Mushir Alam were on the bench hearing the case. The court objected to unregulated content on social media, particularly comments regarding the judiciary, the armed forces and the government.

    We have no objection to freedom of expression, remarked Justice Amin. Our salaries are paid from the money of the people, they have the right to raise questions on our decisions and our performance, he said. But the Constitution also grants us the right to privacy, added Justice Amin.

    Justice Amin remarked that family members of the judiciary come under scrutiny on YouTube. He referred to a decision announced yesterday which was discussed on the platform and asked whether the Pakistan Telecommunications Authority (PTA) and the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) had taken notice of such happenings on the platform where judges are mocked and embarrassed.

    A PTA official told the court that the PTA cannot remove objectionable content but can only report it.

    YouTube is banned in many countries, said Justice Mushir Alam. He asked whether anyone would dare post content against the United States or the European Union on the platform.

    Justice Amin asked how many people have been prosecuted for such crimes while Justice Alam noted that social media is regulated through local laws in many countries.

    People are incited against the judiciary, the government and the armed forces, remarked Justice Amin.

    The court issued notices to the attorney-general of Pakistan and the foreign ministry on the matter.

    Pakistan's digital space has been frequently restricted and is monitored closely through laws such as the Prevention of Electronic Crimes Act 2016 as well by the federal agencies PTA and FIA.

    The first half of the previous decade saw bans on different social media platforms and blocks on various websites, the three-year ban on YouTube being the most infamous for thumping the growth of digital content in the country.

    Source: https://tribune.com.pk/story/2256150...anning-youtube
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    Naya Pakistan!




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    Well there was no YouTube in Madinah ki riyasat.

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    This is madness! The judiciary is so insecure. Youtube is the worldís biggest university!! Everybody will miss out on a lot if YT is banned!!

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    Our solution to 5th gen war/media war is 'ban it' . These old buffoons have no clue.

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    Like I said in the other thread, if you want to ban something then that is TikTok and all the other silly apps that is driving the population insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deewana Mastana View Post
    Like I said in the other thread, if you want to ban something then that is TikTok and all the other silly apps that is driving the population insane.
    What will banning TikTok achieve lol? Similar app will appear on Play/App store and people will once again start making cringy videos.

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    Instead of banning You Tube, you can apply filtering

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    The Supreme Court on Wednesday took notice of "objectionable content" being shared on YouTube and other social media platforms, and issued notices to the Foreign Office and the Attorney General in this regard.

    A three-member bench, comprising Justice Mushir Alam, Justice Qazi Muhammad Amin Ahmed and Justice Aminud Din Khan, took notice during a hearing on a bail petition of a man accused of a sectarian crime.

    During the hearing, Justice Amin remarked that the public had a right to comment on the judiciary's performance and judgements but social media "did not even spare their families and shamed the judges".

    "They become 'uncles' on social media and incite people against the Pakistan Army, judiciary and government," he said, adding that the judiciary "has no objection to the right to freedom of speech".

    "Our salaries come from the public's money, [but] the Constitution gives us the right to our private lives."

    Justice Amin said that the top court had announced a judgement on a case a day earlier which was then discussed on YouTube. "We are showing patience [but] this has to come to an end."

    Justice Amin questioned whether the Federal Investigation Agency and the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) had seen what was happening on YouTube. "There are several countries where YouTube is banned. Try uploading content against America and the European Union," he said.

    Justice Alam observed that "many countries control social media through local laws".

    PTA authorities, present in court, replied that they could not remove "individual content but could only report it".

    Following notices to the AG and Foreign office, the hearing was adjourned for an indefinite period.

    The top court last week took suo motu notice of an alleged contemptuous tweet by journalist Mateeullah Jan. A Supreme Court bench, comprising Chief Justice Gulzar Ahmed, Justice Alam and Justice Ijazul Ahsan, had issued notices to the attorney general, Jan and president of the Supreme Court of Bar Association. During today's hearing, Jan was given more time to submit his reply.

    Earlier this month, the Supreme Court formally charged Rawalpindi-based cleric Mirza Iftikharuddin with contempt of court by delivering a derogatory and scandalous speech against the judiciary which went viral on social media.

    The court indicted the cleric under Section 5 of the Contempt of the Court Ordinance 2003 after rejecting his unconditional apology he tendered for making an objectionable speech in a private meeting in which he had hurled abusive language at Justice Qazi Faez Isa of the Supreme Court as well as the institution of judiciary.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1570484/sc...edia-platforms


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    The good news is that there are other ways of watching YouTube. But what does it mean for local content creators is something to be seen. The worrying sign is the authoritarian streak of powers that be. It makes me worried how easy it is for these people to alter so many lives without facing any consequences.

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    People can still use other platforms on internet If they are to talk about personal lives of Judges and others. Why not ban the whole internet?

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    If it gets banned and who wants to watch please use VPN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Sensible comment by Ch. Fawad.

    Why ban YouTube which is a platform for many young/old Pakistanis for making money?

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    I feel Pakistan should apply for the status of hermit kingdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mueez View Post
    Sensible comment by Ch. Fawad.

    Why ban YouTube which is a platform for many young/old Pakistanis for making money?
    Because the Justice watched a video criticizing him and got triggered about it



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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    Naya Pakistan!
    So patwaris will also blame this on PTI and IK.


    I was hoping you would have learnt from your humiliation yesterday but some people are shameless beyond redemption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Because the Justice watched a video criticizing him and got triggered about it
    Absolutely pathetic.

    There is no common sense left

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Very well said. These sort of bans would definitely hamper the growth of IT sector

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    If you as an average independently thinking citizen can't criticize the judiciary, the armed forces and the government, then what's left to criticize about those yielding power over you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Not to forget the positive youtubers that traveled to Pakistan creating a positive tourism image in last 5 years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by uberkoen View Post
    Naya Pakistan!
    What it has to do with pti ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Well there was no YouTube in Madinah ki riyasat.
    You are seriously dumb, dishonest or both. This has nothing to do with the government.

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    What next SC to ban schools because they produce educated minds

    SC still living in stoneage


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Very well said by Fawad Hussain.

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    Silly comments by the Justice. If the Judiciary feel maligned by fake or malicious news then they should have the right to recourse. But banning is extreme and undemocratic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    When he is not busy body slamming journalists half his size he is actually a pretty solid guy as far as thoughta are concerned

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    Lahore: Former Test cricketer Ramiz Raja thinks that banning YouTube will be a useless decision and can take Pakistan backward globally.

    Following the Supreme Court of Pakistan (SCP)’s hints towards banning the online video-sharing platform in the country, Raja expressed his opinion related to the matter on his YouTube channel.

    The cricketer-turned-YouTuber said that a lot of Pakistanis are expressing themselves and earning through this platform and if it goes down in the country, it will hurt the entire industry.

    “I think just for a few ignorant people, it is unfair to ban YouTube in the country. There are a lot of people who are earning through it. If YouTube gets banned in the country, a lot of people will lose their jobs,” he said.

    “It is important for us to think and plan according to the modern-day world where countries are growing digitally. I think we should promote ‘Digital Pakistan’ instead of going towards banning social media sites,” he added.

    It must be noted here that the Supreme Court of Pakistan (SCP) hinted towards banning YouTube in the country following unregulated content on social media, especially content against the judiciary, the armed forces, and the government.

    https://arysports.tv/ramiz-raja-spea...nning-youtube/


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    When you see stuff like this on YouTube - you can see the point being made



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    ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Telecommu*nication Authority (PTA) has asked video-sharing platform YouTube to immediately block vulgar, indecent, immoral, nude and hate speech content for viewing in Pakistan.

    The PTA says it has taken the step keeping in view the negative effect of indecent/immoral/nude content available on YouTube and to prevent repugnant discord that may be caused by the presence of hate speech and sectarian material.

    The PTA said in a statement that it had approached YouTube to ensure blocking of objectionable content and to prevent the use of its platform for disseminating such content.

    In addition, the platform has been directed to put in place an effective content monitoring and moderation mechanism so that unlawful material is detected/deleted and is not accessible within Pakistan.

    AFP adds: The PTA’s demand to YouTube has been criticised by rights campaigners.

    Free speech campaigners slam move

    There are already fears about creeping censorship and muzzling of the press and activists in Pakistan, with existing or proposed restrictions limiting free speech, usually in the name of Islam or national security.

    YouTube did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Friday, and a PTA spokesman declined to speak about the authority’s next step if the Google-owned platform does not comply.

    In July, the PTA issued a final warning to Chinese-owned social media app TikTok, ordering it to filter any obscene content.

    It also blocked the video-streaming app Bigo Live, though the ban was lifted after a few days once the platform agreed to moderate “immoral and indecent content”.

    This is not the first time Pakistani authorities have targeted YouTube.

    It was blocked in the country in 2012 after a US-made film that negatively depicted Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and triggered violent protests across the Muslim world.

    Access was restored in 2016 after YouTube launched a country-specific version ensuring the filtering of content deemed blasphemous.

    Free speech campaigners were quick to criticise the latest PTA demand.

    “The PTA does not make any effort to narrowly tailor its request or define what it means by terms such as ‘vulgar’ and ‘immoral’,” digital rights advocate Nighat Dad told AFP.

    “While countries can ask social media platforms to take down specific content in accordance with local law, YouTube does not always comply if the requests go against international norms and principles,” she added.

    “Social media companies such as YouTube have various human rights commitments and... have to uphold principles relating to the right to privacy, freedom of expression and right to access to information.” In a recent attempt to tighten control, lawmakers in Punjab, passed a bill last month that seeks to put publishers in prison if they print or import material with “objectionable” content.

    The Punjab governor has not yet signed it into law.

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    Hmm.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post


    Hmm.
    These guys better not ban YouTube or we riot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    These guys better not ban YouTube or we riot.
    I didn’t think it was very likely but looking at the way they are functioning these days… Not so sure anymore.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post


    Hmm.
    Imran Khan will surely stop Youtube ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker_Ind View Post
    Imran Khan will surely stop Youtube ban.
    His ministers have already condemned the attempted ban. Most likely it wont be banned, but you never know. It might be beyond his control if the courts get involved.

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    People VPN their way around it so doesn't make a difference.

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    Banning YouTube is a bit too much.

    I think they can restrict certain YouTube videos. That's about it.

    YouTube is fine. It can a great tool if used correctly (many educational videos).
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    They are also forgetting another source of revenue. Lots of Pakistanis are becoming content producers and it has become its own industry for us to export!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    People VPN their way around it so doesn’t make a difference.
    You and I, but not the masses. Pakistani creators would be the worst affected.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    You and I, but not the masses. Pakistani creators would be the worst affected.
    Not to mention, most will use free VPN. And those are the shadiest apps I've ever seen. I tried a few and one asked for contacts permission.... I was like what? Why the hell a vpn needs it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    Not to mention, most will use free VPN. And those are the shadiest apps I've ever seen. I tried a few and one asked for contacts permission.... I was like what? Why the hell a vpn needs it?
    So that you donít do any shady things and even free vpns are still answerable to authorities
    there are good paid vpns out there and do invest in one, they have plans starting like 1 or 2 bucks a month!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by globalcitizen View Post
    So that you donít do any shady things and even free vpns are still answerable to authorities
    there are good paid vpns out there and do invest in one, they have plans starting like 1 or 2 bucks a month!!
    Show me one good vpn which costs $1 or 2 per month.

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    ISLAMABAD: A meeting between the Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) ended in a deadlock on Wednesday as both sides remained at odds over procedures to contain ‘indecent content’ on the internet.

    The ISPs claimed that the PTA wanted to regulate political voices in the garb of containing indecent content, alleging that actions against the Content Delivery Networks (CDNs) would only translate in converting the broadband into a narrow band in the country.

    The telecom regulator, however, had called the meeting in its headquarters with a single point agenda that “pornographic websites are being served/accessed through CDNs interfaced locally with your network”.

    The PTA told the ISPs that pornographic contents were violation of Section 37 of the PECA 2016 and that internet providers had also been informed about its concerns, but there was no improvement in the situation.

    There are four key CDN providers in Pakistan — ‘YouTube’, ‘Facebook’, ‘Akamai’ and Netflix. They are established at the servers of local ISPs which includes PTCL, StormFiber, Nayatel, Wi-Tribe etc and telecom companies, including Jazz, Telenor, Zong and Ufone.

    While YouTube, Facebook and Netflix show their contents through their own CDNs, Akamai is the third party contractor for many international content providers, including some foreign media houses.

    Though neither the PTA nor representatives of the ISPs were willing to talk on record about the meeting, officials said that it was responsibility of the ISPs to ensure that no pornographic/immoral/illegal content is being shown to users through CDNs.

    “The ISPs are the gateway to Pakistan and they needed to pressurise their partners to manage illegal contents, especially immoral subjects,” the officials said. They even cited the example of sectarian and hate based trends at Twitter in recent days.

    “How Twitter allowed to create this kind of # and gain so much traction,” the official said. “How such trends are allowed and pick up so much traction. These dangerous trends have potential to create serious internal strife that is why there is a need to keep a regulatory check at CDNs too.”

    Pakistan has currently around 3,000 Gbps of internet traffic and the CDNs in Pakistan serve an equal amount of traffic to Pakistani internet users.

    Sources in the industry said that the ISPs downplayed the PTAs demand and expressed their inability to regulate the contents of CDNs.

    “CDNs are controlled by foreign content providers and ISPs have no control over it,” said a representative of the ISP, adding, “PTA should get the filtration done by its own costly Web Monitoring System (WMS) and enhance its capacity”.

    Meanwhile, during the meeting the delegation of ISPs told the PTA that by shutting CDNs would mean shutting down 60 per cent of Internet in Pakistan and making cost of internet 2-3 times of current rates.

    “Besides, the PTA has to understand that immoral contents are not shown at any of the key CDNs in the country, so they need to identify the issue clearly,” said a senior executive of an ISP.

    While referring to the PECA 2016, the PTA has asked the ISPs to ensure that no immoral content passes through their network.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1577659/is...decent-content


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    There is a competition between bureaucrats to see who is the most pious Muslim!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    Show me one good vpn which costs $1 or 2 per month.
    I use PIA .. has servers all over world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by globalcitizen View Post
    I use PIA .. has servers all over world.
    that's $10 per month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    that's $10 per month.
    had got a yearly plan for 30$ , now itís 60$ I believe.. still cheap!

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    ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday raised concerns around the global rise in hate and extremism in meeting with a top Facebook official and acknowledged the immense challenge of fighting hate speech online.

    The prime minister held a virtual meeting with Chief Operating Officer Sheryl Sandberg and encouraged the social media giant to increase its “footprint” in Pakistan.

    The two discussed Facebook's investments in Pakistan, the company's support for digital literacy initiatives in the country and its work around COVID-19.

    During the meeting, PM Imran acknowledged the immense potential digital platforms like Facebook provide, and the role they can play in giving “global opportunities to Pakistani youth and entrepreneurs and how the opportunities they create can lift people out of poverty”.

    They also exchanged views on Facebook's connectivity investments and research grants that were awarded this year to Pakistan-based academics.

    Other topics that were discussed included Facebook's blood donations product, which saw more than 5 million people sign up since its launch, as well as Facebook's support for the government's goal of a polio-free Pakistan.

    The PM and Sandberg also spoke about the company's SheMeansBusiness Program which is training some 6,700 women across Pakistan.

    Sandberg and PM Imran last met in Davos, Switzerland, in January this year.

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    Why would any digital company or social networking website invest in Pakistan when they know that mobs burn turn it down if somebody, thousands of miles away, posts an anti-Pakistan or anti-Islam picture or film?

    There is a Pakistan who worked to sentence Mark Zuckerberg to death in a Pakistani court for alleged blasphemy. Zuckerberg even talked about this bizarre episode in one of his speeches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    Why would any digital company or social networking website invest in Pakistan when they know that mobs burn turn it down if somebody, thousands of miles away, posts an anti-Pakistan or anti-Islam picture or film?

    There is a Pakistan who worked to sentence Mark Zuckerberg to death in a Pakistani court for alleged blasphemy. Zuckerberg even talked about this bizarre episode in one of his speeches.
    200 million people. So a big market, and no local competitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharib Aadmi View Post
    200 million people. So a big market, and no local competitors.
    That means nothing when you know that despite investing millions, the whole infrastructure can go to waste at anytime. Also, this whole ban culture repels MNCs away from Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    That means nothing when you know that despite investing millions, the whole infrastructure can go to waste at anytime. Also, this whole ban culture repels MNCs away from Pakistan.
    Yet they still go to China.

    First point is true though. Investors need to make money. Cut taxes and regulations would be a good place for Pakistan to start getting these investors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharib Aadmi View Post
    Yet they still go to China.

    First point is true though. Investors need to make money. Cut taxes and regulations would be a good place for Pakistan to start getting these investors.
    There is very strong law and order in China. You will never see Mullahs spewing hatred or blocking the streets and telling people to destroy this and that.

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    He clearly hasn't been on youtube much!!

    "YouTube is banned in many countries, said Justice Mushir Alam. He asked whether anyone would dare post content against the United States or the European Union on the platform."

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    The Lahore High Court (LHC) on Thursday took notice of YouTube channels being opened in Pakistan without any proper mechanism in place.

    LHC Chief Justice Qasim Khan heard the case related to the non-removal of offensive content from on social media. Expressing indignation over the circulation of offensive content on social media, the chief justice questioned how YouTube channels were being launched across the country.

    “Under which law are YouTube channels running and who monitors the content [on the video-sharing platform] ?” the judge inquired.

    He also remarked that derogatory language was being used on the platform against the judiciary and that he would not allow anyone to violate the sanctity of the institution.

    “How many cases have been registered by the FIA so far and how many people have been arrested?” he asked.

    Read more: SC takes notice of objectionable content on social media platforms against judiciary

    The court sought immediate details from the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) on the matter and also asked if everything was happening under government's supervision.

    The additional attorney general told the court that action is taking whenever a complaint is filed on a grievance:

    "Will the judges of the judiciary now lodge complaints with the FIA?" asked the chief justice angrily.

    Angry at the FIA for not taking action over the issue, the LHC chief justice remarked that the agency should be closed down.

    Government blocks TikTok

    The development comes days after the government had blocked Chinese-owned video-sharing app TikTok after the company "failed to fully comply" with its instructions for “development of an effective mechanism for proactive moderation of unlawful online content”.

    The PTA said the step was taken after the authority said it received a number of complaints from different segments of society against "immoral and indecent" content on the video-sharing application.

    Moreover, in a July hearing, the Supreme Court of Pakistan had taken notice of objectionable content on social media platforms in the country, noting that such forums were rife with content that incite hate against Pakistan’s institutions.

    The apex court was hearing a case against suspect Shaukat Ali pertaining to a sectarian crime when the topic came under discussion.

    During the hearing, Justice Qazi Ameen said that the public, through YouTube videos, is being instigated against the Army, judiciary, and the government.

    “Was action taken against those who committed this crime?” said the judge, asking further if the Federal Investigation Agency and Pakistan Telecommunications Authority have noticed the content that is being uploaded on YouTube.

    “On YouTube and social media, even our families are not being spared (from criticism),” said Justice Ameen.


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    What a bunch of over sensitive snowflakes.

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    ISLAMABAD: The Ministry of Information Technology on Wednesday notified social media rules that all other stakeholders, including internet service providers as well as digital rights activists, have rejected, terming them draconian and violation of cyber laws of the country.

    The rules titled, “Removal and Blocking of Unlawful Online Content (Procedure, Oversight and Safeguards) Rules 2020,” have been framed under the Prevention of Electronic Crimes Act 2016 (PECA).

    The RBUOC rules have placed all the internet service providers (ISPs) on a par with social media companies and all the requirements of the social media platforms have been applied to the ISPs as well.

    While there are several clauses that were the need of time as many social media platforms were ignoring the norms of society, the service providers have expressed concerns over the stringent requirements in the rules.

    The Internet Service Providers of Pakistan (ISPAK) has rejected the new rules and the association is likely to move the court of law against the new social media rules.

    “We will form a strategy against the Rules as they are contrary to several clauses of PECA, such as indemnity to the internet service providers,” ISPAK convener Wahaj Siraj said while talking to Dawn.

    At the moment, he said, “We are discussing a strategy against the Rules.”

    He referred to several clauses of the Rules including 9(3) which states that a Social Media Company (SMC) and service provider shall deploy appropriate mechanism for identifying an online content that have been identified.

    The RBUOC rules have identified that the ISPs and the SMCs have to ensure public community guidelines for usage of any online system.

    “Such community guidelines shall inform the user of the online system not to host, display, upload, modify, publish, transmit update or share any online content that belongs to another person and to which the user does not have any right. This is blasphemous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, paedophilic, invasive of another’s privacy, violates or affects religious, cultural, ethnical sensitive of Pakistani or harms minor in any way, impersonates another person or threatens the integrity, security, or defence of Pakistan or public order or causes incitement to any offence under PECA.”

    ‘Too much govt involvement’

    Digital rights activists have expressed dissatisfaction over the RBUOC rules, claiming that the government has ignored all the concerns of stakeholders except for deleting the clause regarding establishment of the office of National Coordinator.

    “It is a draconian law, there is too much government involvement in the affairs of social media,” said Nighat Dad of Digital Rights Foundation.

    The rules have also made it obligatory for the social media platforms with more 500,000 users in Pakistan or in the list of ISPs SMCs with the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority to register with the PTA within nine months. These companies have to establish a permanent registered office, with a physical address preferably in Islamabad, within nine months.

    Clauses essential: PTA official

    A senior PTA official said that those clauses were essential as the social media platforms had no presence in the country, despite the fact that they were earning from here and paying significant amount to vlogers.

    The RBUOC rules state that social media platforms have to appoint a focal person in Pakistan to coordinate with authorities for compliance of the law of the land. The rules prohibit live-streaming through for the ISPs and the SMCs by deploying online mechanism, related to terrorism, extremism, hate speech, pornographic, incitement to violence and detrimental to national security.

    The ISPs and the SMCs could be fined up to Rs500 million for failing to abide with the directives of the PTA, while appeal against the decision can be filed in high court within 30 days of the PTA’s order.

    Complaint against online content can be filed at the PTA by any aggrieved individual, federal, provincial or local government department, any state owned company, law enforcement or intelligence agency.

    However, it was mandatory that the PTA would keep the online content and the identity of the complainant confidential as sharing of this information could lead to the spread of the content and the complainant could face harassments from the aggrieved parties.

    The rules have also indicated that Data Protection Law is likely to be promulgated in Pakistan in near future and the ISPs as well as the SMCs will have to establish database servers in the country once the law is enacted.

    Published in Dawn, November 19th, 2020


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    A DAY after the government notified rules that define how social media will be governed in Pakistan, technology companies announced that the regulations would make it difficult for them to continue their operations in the country.

    The rules titled, “Removal and Blocking of Unlawful Online Content (Procedure, Oversight and Safeguards) Rules 2020,” have been framed under the Prevention of Electronic Crimes Act 2016 (Peca).

    In a statement shared with Dawn on Thursday, the Asia Internet Coalition (AIC) expressed its alarm over the scope of the new law targeting internet companies, as well as the government’s “opaque process” by which these rules were developed.

    Earlier this year, Prime Minister Imran Khan promised to initiate a “broad-based” consultation on content regulation after a strong backlash from stakeholders over the release of formally known as the Citizen Protection (Against Online Harm) Rules 2020.

    Asia Internet Coalition regrets absence of consultation earlier promised by govt

    “The consultation that was announced in February never occurred,” AIC managing director Jeff Paine regretted in the statement.

    The tech companies warned that the rules would make it extremely difficult for AIC members to make their services available to Pakistani users and businesses.

    Under the new rules, social media companies shall provide the designated investigation agency with any information or data in decrypted, readable and comprehensible format.

    Subject to justifiable technical limitations, the information to be provided may include subscriber information, traffic data, content data and any other information or data.

    “The draconian data localisation requirements will damage the ability of people to access a free and open internet and shut Pakistan’s digital economy off from the rest of the world,” the AIC said.

    The companies said it was chilling to see the PTA’s powers expanded, allowing them to force social media companies to violate established human rights norms on privacy and freedom of expression.

    Since February when the rules were first released, the AIC has repeatedly urged the government to adopt a comprehensive consultation strategy.

    Earlier in October, the AIC had expressed its reservations over the consultation process in a letter addressed to Prime Minister Khan.

    “The lack of transparency on the consultation, an abbreviated consultation process, and strict local office requirements for online platforms are very concerning,” Mr Paine had stated.

    “The consultation process therefore appears to have lost credibility,” it said.

    In response to the notification of rules by the government, the AIC on Thursday said if Pakistan wanted to be an attractive destination for technology investment and realise its goal of digital transformation, then it should work with industry on practical, clear rules that protect the benefits of the internet and keep people safe from harm.

    Published in Dawn, November 20th, 2020


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    Islamabad, Pakistan – Tech giants Google, Facebook and others have sought “critical changes” to newly passed Pakistani internet regulations that broaden censorship and authorise widespread surveillance without judicial oversight, among other issues, in a new letter to the Pakistani prime minister.

    The letter, dated December 5 but shared with journalists on Wednesday, details the major concerns of the Asia Internet Coalition (AIC), which represents Google, Facebook, Twitter and others in the region, regarding new internet regulations passed last month.

    “AIC members are alarmed by the scope of Pakistan’s new Rules, as well as the opaque process by which these rules were finalised,” reads the letter.

    A version of the new regulations was first passed in February but was quickly rescinded by Prime Minister Imran Khan after an outcry by rights groups and technology companies. Khan promised there would be an inclusive consultative process to amend the regulations.

    The AIC, digital rights activists and officials at social media companies, however, told Al Jazeera such a process never occurred. A new version of the rules was passed and implemented in November, with few changes to the original regulations.

    On December 1, the government revised the rules once more, to remove a clause that outlawed any criticism of the federal and provincial government or any public office holders after rights groups decried the move as being authoritarian.

    The new AIC letter referenced the move to revise the rules last week without official consultations or processes as being problematic.

    “Industry stakeholders have therefore lost trust in the consultation process because it is neither credible nor transparent,” reads the letter.

    Privacy concerns
    Use of the internet in Pakistan is regulated under the Prevention of Electronic Crimes Act (PECA), a far-reaching piece of legislation passed in 2016 that legalised censorship of the internet based on broad notions of, including others, “the security and defence of Pakistan”, “the glory of Islam” or “public order, decency or morality”.

    The new regulations are aimed at systematising how content is blocked in Pakistan, making it mandatory for online platforms to take down any content requested by Pakistani authorities within 24 hours. In some cases, that period is reduced to six hours.

    Companies – whether local or foreign – that do not comply with Pakistani government takedown or data surveillance requests would face fines of up to $3.14m, according to the regulations.

    The new regulations also make it mandatory for large social media companies such as Facebook, Twitter and others who have more than half a million users in Pakistan to establish offices and data servers in the country, a move the tech companies have resisted.

    “The data localisation requirements in the Rules will prevent Pakistani citizens from accessing a free and open internet and shut Pakistan’s digital economy off from the rest of the world,” reads the AIC’s letter.

    The rules also require all technology companies to share decrypted user data with authorities without a warrant, a clause that rights groups and technology companies say violates human rights norms.

    The companies must provide “any information or data or content or sub-content contained in any information system owned or managed or run by the [company] in decrypted, readable and comprehensible format or plain version”, according to the rules.

    “[T]he PTA’s powers have been expanded excessively, allowing them to force social media companies to violate established human rights norms on privacy and freedom of expression,” reads the AIC’s letter.

    Pakistan’s government says it is open to continuing consultations with stakeholders. Last week, Pakistan’s Information Technology Minister told Al Jazeera the government would stand by content bans but was open to continuing dialogue with companies.

    “The government of Pakistan will not tolerate three things in any form,” Amin-ul-Haque told Al Jazeera. “Hate speech, number one. Number two is anti-state content, and number three is vulgarity.”

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    ISLAMABAD: Responding to concerns expressed by the Asia Internet Coalition (AIC) over the recently enacted rules for social media, the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) said on Friday that “prejudiced and wrong impression is being created regarding the rules”.

    The rules — titled “Removal and Blocking of Unlawful Online Content (Procedure, Oversight and Safeguards) 2020” — were notified by the government on Nov 27, but these have not been received well by digital rights activists and social media platforms, mainly the members of AIC.

    The AIC has also written to the prime minister, expressing concerns over the rules.

    In a statement, the PTA contradicted the AIC’s stance that meaningful consultation was not carried out and termed it “misleading and against the facts”.

    Criticises the AIC stance that meaningful consultation was not carried out over the issue

    “It is reiterated that the rules in no sense aim to harm the business environment in Pakistan, rather [they] would pave the way for better investment opportunities for tech companies while remaining compliant with local laws,” said the telecom sector’s regulator.

    It said the rules had been framed as a statutory requirement under Section 37(2) of the Prevention of Electronic Crimes Act (PECA) 2016.

    “A comprehensive consultation process was carried out by the Consultation Committee formed on the directions of the prime minister of Pakistan,” PTA said, adding that during the process, key local and international stakeholders were invited to opportunities for active engagement and open dialogue.

    “The committee held [a] meeting with AIC on 19 June, 2020, and both sides exchanged views on the response submitted by the AIC over… draft social media rules,” said the PTA statement.

    It added that key social media platforms that are also members of the AIC, including Facebook, Google and Twitter, were also approached individually for consultation.

    The regulator said that Google and Facebook participated in the consultation process on June 26 and June 29, respectively.

    The PTA added that the consultation process could not be kept open-ended and prolonged indefinitely, as the committee had to follow the timeline for finalisation of its report due to directives of the Islamabad High Court and those of the federal government.

    “Therefore, after due consultation, the final report of the committee was submitted to the federal government, considering all reasonable concerns and recommendations of stakeholders, remaining within the legal provisions and the tenets of the Constitution of Pakistan and the PECA 2016,” the statement added.

    It said the right to freedom of speech and expression had been included in the second chapter of the rules, in accordance with Article 19 of the Constitution.

    AIC is a group of 15 US tech-based companies and social media platforms, including Yahoo, Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Cloud Flare, Booking.Com, Grab, Airbnb, SAP, Rakuten, LinkedIn, LINE, Amazon and Expedia Group.

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    Pakistan is fast becoming a fascist state. The social media law mandates tech companies to take down content deemed anti-state by Pakistan. In short, the government and the military aim to muffle any criticism directed at them and they also want to prevent any scrutiny of their actions and policies.

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    I wish the PTA was this efficient when it came to tackling hate speech and misogyny on Pakistani TV channels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Poor Ahmadiyyas - at least let them use the internet in peace. If you disagree with what they say then donít download their apps or visit their websites.
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    Hmmmm Direction to immediately remove the unlawful content.


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    I dont know why this happens only in Pakistan? Are Pakistanis the only Muslims in the world?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Probably the most pathetic thing I have seen in my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Absolutely pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    I can't believe these guys. Pakistan's share of social media users is miniscule. They are in no position to bully a multi-national like Google or even Wikipedia (which can literally be edited by anyone with a working computer and internet connection!) into answering their demands.

    On top of that the pretext they are giving: PECA is not even a law to begin with. It is a draconian series of rules passed by the cabinet that could never be passed as a law because of what a threat it is to freedom of speech. The govt. already tried to, and failed to bully Twitter and Facebook by asking them to open offices in Pakistan and give data of Pakistani users to the govt. whenever they ask for it. Both told the govt. to take a hike and the rest is history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    I can't believe these guys. Pakistan's share of social media users is miniscule. They are in no position to bully a multi-national like Google or even Wikipedia (which can literally be edited by anyone with a working computer and internet connection!) into answering their demands.

    On top of that the pretext they are giving: PECA is not even a law to begin with. It is a draconian series of rules passed by the cabinet that could never be passed as a law because of what a threat it is to freedom of speech. The govt. already tried to, and failed to bully Twitter and Facebook by asking them to open offices in Pakistan and give data of Pakistani users to the govt. whenever they ask for it. Both told the govt. to take a hike and the rest is history.
    And don't even get me started on what they are protesting. Shows the level PTA exists on.

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    Another reason why uniting people by religion doesn't work.

    Banning Youtube will hurt Pakistan the most but these people think they can blackmail Google and Wikipedia and get them to bow down to their demands.

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    The only way to block such content is to block the sites completely - ban YouTube, google, Wikipedia, Facebook, Twitter, etc like China do and created your own version of the internet. The Great Firewall style.

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    That is how it started.

    PTA chairman summoned: LHC CJ voices concern over blasphemous material on internet

    LAHORE: Lahore High Court Chief Justice Muhammad Qasim Khan on Monday expressed serious dismay over the slackness of the government to ensure removal of blasphemous material on the internet and summoned the authorities concerned.

    Without naming Prime Minister Imran Khan, the Chief Justice observed, “It is easy to make claims to establish Riasat-i-Medina. It seems the top man needs to be summoned.” Advocate Azhar Haseeb filed a petition seeking a direction for the government to get the name of the leader of Ahmadi community as caliph of Islam removed from the Google.

    The lawyer pleads that when an internet user writes “who is present caliph of Islam”, in the Google search engine the name of the Ahamdi community’s leader appears in the answer.

    He argued that the law does not allow the Ahamdi community to preach but it is being done through the internet. During the hearing, Chief Justice Khan regretted that the matter has been raised on the internet for two weeks but the government remained idle.

    He said, “I am not in favour of banning Google, Facebook or Twitter as the social media websites are not bad but it depends how one uses it.” However, he added, if the government could ban online game PUBG why did it fail to respond to the issue in hand.

    The Chief Justice also admonished a law officer for referring to legal limitations to deal with the objectionable material on the internet. “Here you can take shelter behind the laws but what would you do hereinafter,” he reminded the law officer. The CJ adjourned further hearing till Dec 28 and summoned authorities from Pakistan Telecommunication Authority and other departments.

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    These corrupt courts never take up cases brought by poor people or of those accused of blasphemy.

    However, when it comes to showing others who is a Super Musalmaan, these corrupt courts and judges spare no effort.

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    The government is ready to review new social media rules introduced last year and will consult all stakeholders in this regard, Attorney General of Pakistan Khalid Jawed Khan told the Islamabad High Court (IHC) during a hearing on Monday.

    IHC Chief Jus*tice Athar Minallah was hearing a petition by the Pakistan Federal Union of Journalists (PFUJ) against social media rules introduced by the government in November.

    The new rules, introduced through the Removal and Blocking of Unlawful Online Content Rules 2020 under the Prevention of Electronic Crimes Act 2016, were immediately rejected by many stakeholders such as the Internet Service Providers of Pakistan (ISPAK) and were widely criticised as being "draconian".

    During the hearing today, the AGP informed the court that the government supported a review of the social media regulation rules and "a review will be held after consultation with [relevant] stakeholders and petitioners."

    Justice Minallah said the matter of enforcing social media rules involved Article-19 (Freedom of Speech) and Article-19A (Right to Information) of the Constitution which were "related to fundamental rights".

    He said relevant stakeholders were seemingly not consulted during the formulation of the social media rules. "Pakistan Bar Council and PFUJ are important stakeholders in this matter."

    To this, AGP Khan assured the court that the petitioners would be consulted and the government was not looking to put a "complete restriction" nor was "closing any [social media] platform the solution".

    He asked the court to give some time during which the government could review the rules together with the Pakistan Telecom Authority (PTA) and the concerned stakeholders.

    Justice Minallah welcomed the attorney general's response which he said had been "very positive", further adding that "consultation is necessary and [a] very appropriate [course of action]." He told the attorney general to present his recommendations to the stakeholders if they were ready to review the social media rules.

    Advocate Usama Khawar, representing the PFUJ, told the court that they had been previously called for consultation but their recommendations were not given any weight.

    Meanwhile, another lawyer for the petitioner, Kashif Malik, asked the court to pass an order restricting the government from acting against someone on the basis of the new rules.

    "We will not pass any general order on this matter. If an order is passed on the basis of these rules, it can be challenged in court," said Justice Minallah, further adding that a judicial assistant had also been appointed in the case by the court.

    Hearing of the case was adjourned to February 26.

    Uproar over new rules
    The Removal and Blocking of Unlawful Online Content Rules 2020 introduced in November 2020 presumably replaced the Citizen Protection Against Online Harm Rules 2020 after the government promised to review them after local and international criticism.

    The new rules stipulated content regulation guidelines and expected all internet companies to implement them above their own globally applicable community guidelines, outlining types of content that would be deemed unlawful and removed within a day at the PTA’s request.

    They required all social media companies and internet service providers with more than half a million subscribers to open an office in Pakistan, appoint a local representative, and establish database servers, in addition to handing any data to the Federal Investigation Agency in a decrypted and readable form.

    Intermediary liability was also extended, whereby social media companies and internet service providers were bound to comply with orders to censor content by the PTA and provide data related to users; in case of failure to do so, they would face complete blocking of their platform or company in the country, as well as a fine of Rs500 million.

    The Asia Internet Coalition (AIC) — a coalition of some of the mightiest tech giants in the world such as Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Google and Twitter — had swiftly criticised the rules soon after announcement. It said the rules made it extremely difficult for AIC members to continue availability of their services to Pakistani users and businesses.

    Justice Minallah in a prior hearing in an unrelated case had observed on the rules that they "would discourage criticism and adversely affect accountability in the country". He had remarked, "Criticism is very important for democracy. Let the people have information and let them judge the government".

    The PTA, meanwhile, maintained in response to criticism of non-consultation that “A comprehensive consultation process was carried out by the Consultation Committee formed on the directions of the prime minister of Pakistan.”


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