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    "I want to see foreign cricketers play in Pakistanís first-class cricket" : Ehsan Mani

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    Karachi: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ehsan Mani has wished to see international stars play in Pakistanís first-class cricket one-day.

    While speaking in The Chiswick Calendarís podcast, PCB chief said that new domestic structure will attract foreign stars to play.

    ďI want to see foreign cricketers play in Pakistanís first-class cricket. The new domestic structure will play an important role in fulfilling this desire,Ē he said.

    Mani also revealed that new structure will provide more jobs to former cricketer. ďThe new domestic system will provide more opportunities for former cricketers than in the past,Ē he added.

    ďFormer cricketers have to understand that before there was only PCB but now 6 other associations will also be creating jobs,Ē he maintained.


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    Odds of this happening?

    Honestly, wouldn't mind seeing foreign players playing in our domestic system. Don't see it happening though, who/how are they going to pay them and give them security?

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    They have significantly cut FC teams as it is. Giving a few of those spots would really hurt the development of players.

    If they introduce a couple of new teams then yeah, it could make sense.

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    Donít think itís a feasible idea. You canít lure intl
    cricketers worth luring when county is an excellent alternative, and you donít have the money to pay much in salary.

    Furthermore, these players will take up spots otherwise reserved for domestic player development. Domestic structure will end up with teams compromising largely of 5 30+ year olds, 2 intls, 2 players 25-30, and 2 players 18-25.

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    I'm listening to him on the podcast now. Mani impressed with his knowledge of Pakistan's domestic structure.

    He rightly pointed out when first appointed chairman that Pakistan had the lowest 1st innings average in FC cricket in the world after Zimbabwe, and that Grade 2 cricket consisted of too many senior First Class cricketers which were blocking the path of youngsters. Hence the reforms he initiated.

    He also mentioned the need to create a clear pathway for youngsters, by reviving school and university cricket that can feed into club and provincial cricket.

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    not gonna happen, pak player salaries are not competitive on a global scale, makes no sense to pay 6 or 7 foreign players when the non international local players need the money more.

    secondly overseas international players are no guarantee of improving level of game. the two strongest test teams of all time, 80s windies and 90s to 00s aus had virtually no international first class players.

    just focus on getting these six domestic teams competitive, then maybe arrange first class series for QeA champions to play against other domestic champions, like sri lanka, or england or west indies.

    i think virat kohli debuted against sui gas or something in a cross border first class match. i digress, point is there are far better value ways to improve domestic than bring in overseas players.

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    Which would mean even less local players being given a chance.



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    LAHORE: Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Ehsan Mani said on Wednesday that the PCB has a great ambition of inviting foreign cricketers following the revamp of the domestic cricket structure last year but admitted it will have to elevate its standards in order to achieve this objective.

    He said this in a wide-ranging discussion with cricket authors and historians Peter Oborne and Richard Heller in a podcast, available on the PCB website here on Wednesday.

    “One of the things we are going to do with our first-class cricket is to encourage one or two overseas players to come and play,” said Mani who has also been a former ICC president and is the present chairman of ICC’s most influential committee, the Finance and Commercial Affairs Committee.

    “It is great for our players to be playing with the international players and that’s not going to happen overnight. It is in the next two, three years and we’re working to take our first-class cricket to a complete different level and have it so competitive and so attractive for overseas players to want to play in,” Mani said.

    ‘Revamp of domestic cricket will have long-term benefits’

    In the interview, Mani gave an account of PCB’s efforts to overcome politics and to resume bilateral cricket relations with India. He shared his hopes for more international visitors to Pakistan after Covid-19 in the greatly improved security situation and following the highly successful tours from Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, the Kumar Sangakkara-led MCC and the HBL Pakistan Super League 2020.

    While reflecting on how he stumbled into cricket administration since his achievements as a negotiator for the ICC.

    Reflecting to how he took up the job of the 34th Pakistan’s cricket chief on September 4, 2018, Mani said that upon studying the country’s domestic cricket structure, he realised how the last system blocked entry points for up and coming cricketers.

    He asserted the new domestic structure put in place is going to create more jobs for the former cricketers, while providing a clear pathway for the up and coming cricketers.

    “I realised what was happening, that the players who played for the departments [in first-class cricket] went and played grade-II cricket for the regions. So, they were blocking the pathway for youngsters who come through grade-II cricket into the first-class game.

    “The system was totally whopped. When I looked at the averages and first innings scores of our teams in the first-class matches, the first innings scores were one of the lowest in the world, lower than Zimbabwe. So, I knew something was not right. I concluded that we needed to have quality and quantity “Without cutting back on the opportunities for the youngsters to play cricket and working their way up if they are good enough. So what we have done is we have set-up six Cricket Associations with hundred cities playing cricket between them. So, 16 to 17 cities per cricket association,” said Mani while elaborating on the new domestic cricket structure.

    “Under them we will have somewhere around three and a half or four thousand cricket clubs. We produce cricketers in Pakistan in spite of a system not because of the system so we have got to make the system where we capture the best and give every youngster an opportunity to work his way up through a proper structured pathway,” said Mani who was instrumental in commercialising international cricket in 2000 by leading the ICC to sign its first-ever commercial deal worth $550m that was followed by a second deal in 2006 worth over $1.1bn.

    “There are lot of talk about people losing jobs in Pakistan. I have worked out that if we have 100 Cricket Associations with a hundred cities playing cricket with three thousands clubs, we are going to create more jobs for the former players. It is going to take time and it is not going to happen overnight.

    One of the issues that has surrounded every PCB chairman over the past decade has been the resumption of cricket with India and naturally Mani was questioned on it. While he made it clear that his board was ready to engage with the Board of Control for Cricket in India for the resumption of bilateral series between the two countries, Mani said that the PCB would not run after their Indian counterparts.

    “I have taken the view, and I have let it be known to the BCCI, that we are always there to play, but we are not going to be running after them. It is their call, when they are ready to play, we will be willing to play.”

    The PCB has been lauded internationally for the part it has played in the resumption of international cricket by sending its mens team to England after the COVID-19 pandemic put the game on halt.

    Reflecting on the decision, Mani said: “It is important for world cricket to come together and support each other sending a Pakistan team is what the spirit of cricket is all about.”

    The Test and T20I series will be held behind the closed doors due to the stringent COVID-19 measures. Mani said playing in empty stadiums was something that will not take much time for the Pakistan side to get accustomed to.

    “We have had to go through this in the Middle East when we played on neutral venues. We have played Test matches with less than 300 people in the ground. It was after cricket came back to Pakistan that it was an enormous experience [for the players] but they have had that experience of playing in empty stadiums for 10 years,” Mani added.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1570573/ma...kistan-cricket
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    LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman benefits from extravagant allowances that come along with the position. The position of chairman of the PCB is a much sought after position in Pakistan. Many notable personalities vie for this position. The post is honorary but comes packed with extravagant allowances, perks and privileges. Member of the National Assembly Syed Imran Ahmed Shah recently asked various questions from the PCB. He received answers through the Minister of Inter-Provincial Coordination of Pakistan Dr Fahmida Mirza.

    The details of the allowances received by board officials are already in public knowledge, now the chairman of the PCB has come under the spotlight for his allowances. Among its chief benefits, it includes a fully furnished residence, three domestic maids, landline, cellular phone, internet, cable television, driver along with complete car maintenance are covered by the board. The Chairman and his wife are completely covered medically while they can travel in first-class and live at five-star hotels.

    An international visit is accompanied by a daily allowance of $300 while a tour to Britain comes with a daily allowance of $400. A domestic visit entails a daily allowance of Rs.10,000. The Chairman of the PCB receives a fully furnished residence of Rs.100,000 as allowance for a residence. According to the PCB website, PCB Chairman Ehsan Mani has spent Rs,40,24,260 from July 2019 to June 2020 on his residence. This translates to a sum of Rs.3,35,000 on monthly residential expenses. No other ‘honourary’ chairman has spent as much on residence, while residing in Lahore, in the past seven to eight years.

    A Chairman can receive Rs.100,000 as residential allowance if he wants to live in his preferred house. A further Rs.2,000,000 can be received for furniture, this would however be a property of the board and can only be attained once during a respective three-year tenure. Mani has obtained Rs.14,58,374 through this mechanism. This policy was introduced during the current Chairman’s tenure.

    https://dailytimes.com.pk/644481/pcb...nd-privileges/


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    Pathetic idea

    Already there are few teams playing for a population 220 million , it will stop the growth of youngsters. Plus no quality or semi decent player will be interested for such low wages unless he is a railu ketha.

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    There is no reason it can't be achieved, at least Mani has a vision.

    We are not expecting top international foreign players playing FC cricket in Pakistan, but with security improving , no reason Pak cannot attract some good players form SL, BD, and some players from SA and England with Pakistan connection.

    Yes some slots will be taken by foreign players but that will also raise the standard. If another team can be added that will solve the issue. Punjab can easily has two teams, why not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    There is no reason it can't be achieved, at least Mani has a vision.

    We are not expecting top international foreign players playing FC cricket in Pakistan, but with security improving , no reason Pak cannot attract some good players form SL, BD, and some players from SA and England with Pakistan connection.

    Yes some slots will be taken by foreign players but that will also raise the standard. If another team can be added that will solve the issue. Punjab can easily has two teams, why not.
    Punjab already has two teams. But yes I would say if you are incorporating intl players then you need to expand from 6 to 8 teams. One more KPK team and one more Sindh team would probably be the best options.

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    Not sure how is it a bad idea if each of the six teams can contract a foreign player. Could be upcoming youngsters from Ban, SL, Zim, SA or similar but makes a massive difference to our FC image. PSL brand development has been quite good, every reason to have an ambitious vision for FC too. The point regarding FC management to create jobs for former players is also a great idea, and creates competition.

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    Imagine you are a young Pakistani cricketer looking to have a good domestic season, when suddenly you are replaced by a Sri Lankan nobody.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Imagine you are a young Pakistani cricketer looking to have a good domestic season, when suddenly you are replaced by a Sri Lankan nobody.
    Exactly. A lot of young talents are toiling away in second XIís and imagine some Intl players named Kumar Ranatunga and Arjuna Dilshan taking up their spots in the first XI.

    Message to Ehsan Mani is, first establish the FC system in its current state. Keep these lofty ideals for a 5-10 year pipeline.

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    This would not be practical at all. There is already a limited amount of spots available in each FC teams squad. This would take further opportunities away, and tbh no top class overseas players would be willing to come, so it would be a waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Imagine you are a young Pakistani cricketer looking to have a good domestic season, when suddenly you are replaced by a Sri Lankan nobody.
    A class foreign player doesn;t have to take place of a budding talented youngster, there are so many useless old Pakistani players are playing in QA trophy with no chance of playing for Pakistan anymore, they should make way for the foreign players. What exactly these players are doing in Pakistan FC cricket,

    Asif Zakir ( 37 ) , Akbar-ur-Rehamn ( 37) Awais Zia ( 34) Umar Gul ( 36 ) Jalal Khan ( 34 , Imran Farhat ( 38 ) , Kamran Akmal ( 39 ), Salman Butt ( 36 ), Aizaz Cheem ( 41 ) , Zohaib Khna ( 36 ) , Afaq Raheem ( 35 ) Sohail Tanvir ( 36 ) , Khurram Manzoor ( 34 ) , Adnan Akma ( 35) Umaid Asif ( 36 ) Zulfiqar Babar ( 42 ) Mohammad Irfan ( 38 ) Umaid Asif ( 36 ) and many more

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    A class foreign player doesn;t have to take place of a budding talented youngster, there are so many useless old Pakistani players are playing in QA trophy with no chance of playing for Pakistan anymore, they should make way for the foreign players. What exactly these players are doing in Pakistan FC cricket,

    Asif Zakir ( 37 ) , Akbar-ur-Rehamn ( 37) Awais Zia ( 34) Umar Gul ( 36 ) Jalal Khan ( 34 , Imran Farhat ( 38 ) , Kamran Akmal ( 39 ), Salman Butt ( 36 ), Aizaz Cheem ( 41 ) , Zohaib Khna ( 36 ) , Afaq Raheem ( 35 ) Sohail Tanvir ( 36 ) , Khurram Manzoor ( 34 ) , Adnan Akma ( 35) Umaid Asif ( 36 ) Zulfiqar Babar ( 42 ) Mohammad Irfan ( 38 ) Umaid Asif ( 36 ) and many more
    You really think these guys will be dropped for an intl?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Exactly. A lot of young talents are toiling away in second XIís and imagine some Intl players named Kumar Ranatunga and Arjuna Dilshan taking up their spots in the first XI.

    Message to Ehsan Mani is, first establish the FC system in its current state. Keep these lofty ideals for a 5-10 year pipeline.
    Your are absolutely right. However in Ehsan Mani's latest interview on PCB YouTube channel which was a few months ago, Ehsan Mani stated that they will try to get top overseas players in the domestic sides. He even went on to state that they will not get unknown overseas players bc the whole point of getting overseas players is to have youngsters gaining knowledge and playing with top stars from different countries.

    He has also stated that they will encourage the management of the 6 domestic provinces to get foreign coaches and other staff if they want to. This is amazing in my opinion as foreign coaches can teach our coaches and players a few tips and tricks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoFresh23 View Post
    Your are absolutely right. However in Ehsan Mani's latest interview on PCB YouTube channel which was a few months ago, Ehsan Mani stated that they will try to get top overseas players in the domestic sides. He even went on to state that they will not get unknown overseas players bc the whole point of getting overseas players is to have youngsters gaining knowledge and playing with top stars from different countries.

    He has also stated that they will encourage the management of the 6 domestic provinces to get foreign coaches and other staff if they want to. This is amazing in my opinion as foreign coaches can teach our coaches and players a few tips and tricks.
    How will you fund these players? And why will they come play first class in Pakistan than T20 leagues elsewhere? If not T20 leagues then why not county?

    There are 3 steps:
    1. Lure such players
    2. Fund them
    3. Avoid them blocking up pathways for youngsters in first XIs

    All three steps are difficult and quite infeasible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    A class foreign player doesn;t have to take place of a budding talented youngster, there are so many useless old Pakistani players are playing in QA trophy with no chance of playing for Pakistan anymore, they should make way for the foreign players. What exactly these players are doing in Pakistan FC cricket,

    Asif Zakir ( 37 ) , Akbar-ur-Rehamn ( 37) Awais Zia ( 34) Umar Gul ( 36 ) Jalal Khan ( 34 , Imran Farhat ( 38 ) , Kamran Akmal ( 39 ), Salman Butt ( 36 ), Aizaz Cheem ( 41 ) , Zohaib Khna ( 36 ) , Afaq Raheem ( 35 ) Sohail Tanvir ( 36 ) , Khurram Manzoor ( 34 ) , Adnan Akma ( 35) Umaid Asif ( 36 ) Zulfiqar Babar ( 42 ) Mohammad Irfan ( 38 ) Umaid Asif ( 36 ) and many more
    Easier said than done to drop these guys.

    Also there are players in 2nd XIs waiting for a chance in the 1st XI. Imagine scoring lots of runs in the 2nd XI and not being picked for the 1st XI but a random Bangladeshi player or Sri Lankan, or a past his best English player is.



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    saving the money and organising 2 or 3 A-team tours a year would have a much larger benefit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Easier said than done to drop these guys.

    Also there are players in 2nd XIs waiting for a chance in the 1st XI. Imagine scoring lots of runs in the 2nd XI and not being picked for the 1st XI but a random Bangladeshi player or Sri Lankan, or a past his best English player is.
    This

    There is no way any quality cricketer would come for lowly wages unless they ae railu kethas. It would be pretty dumb to attract international stars with huge financial incentives and pay peanuts to domestic cricketers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    How will you fund these players? And why will they come play first class in Pakistan than T20 leagues elsewhere? If not T20 leagues then why not county?

    There are 3 steps:
    1. Lure such players
    2. Fund them
    3. Avoid them blocking up pathways for youngsters in first XIs

    All three steps are difficult and quite infeasible.
    It will be a challenge but the idea of having foreigners playing alongside our youngsters will be amazing and there will just be a betterment for Pak cricket
    Also my brother you have to realize that this new domestic structure is in its second yr. The six cricket association are not self sustainable yet. Once they are self sustainable and get sponsors then player contracts will go up. As I mentioned up youngsters will only benefit by getting knowledge from stars and not from unknown foreigners.

    If you look at County cricket, the counties have a blend of youth, experience and foreigners.

    Personally they should make a rule that 5 under 25 players have to play in the playing XI. We just have to wait and see. But I am sure that they have already thought of this and WK and Ehsan Mani are up for the task.

    Another thing is that with the High Performance Center and Domestic cricket merging, many youngsters will play in matches and get selected in the six associations.
    I remember I watched Saqlain Mushtaq interview a month ago and he explained his role and said that everyone will work together in every department and that youngsters will go through a system and get nurtured and he will make sure that youngsters will get picked and played. He also mentioned how he will closely with the U19 coach, Senior Mens Head coach and the 6 domestic teams coaches.

    Exciting times ahead bro.
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    @MoFresh23 I hope so. But I am skeptical about finding sponsors for first class in Pak when there is little to no audience. And the audience that watches isnít rich enough to advertise to. Letís see.

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    Previously overseas players who have played in Pakistan domestic cricket have mostly been has-beens past their best. More such players in domestic will serve no purpose.




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