Israel normalizes relations with some Gulf States, Sudan & Morocco [#288]

[Varun]

Israel and the United Arab Emirates have agreed to normalise relations, US President Donald Trump has announced.

A joint statement by Mr Trump, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu and Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed said they hoped the "historic breakthrough will advance peace in the Middle East".

As a result, they added, Israel would suspend its plans to annex large parts of the occupied West Bank.

Until now Israel has had no diplomatic relations with Gulf Arab countries

However, shared concerns over Iran's regional influence have led to a unofficial contacts between them.

In response to President Trump's announcement, Mr Netanyahu tweeted in Hebrew: "Historic day".

The UAE's ambassador to the US, Yousef Al Otaiba, said in a statement that it was "a win for diplomacy and for the region".

"It is a significant advance in Arab-Israeli relations that lowers tensions and creates new energy for positive change," he added.

The agreement marks only the third Israel-Arab peace deal since Israel's declaration of independence in 1948. Egypt signed a deal in 1979, and Jordan in 1994.

This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly. Please refresh the page for the fullest version.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-53770859

It was always going to be the UAE who would have been first to bite the bullet - bar Egypt/Jordan all those years ago.

[Pakpak]

Don't worry, Pakistan will still claim thaykaydaari over some imagined Muslim Ummah

[Nervesofsteel]

Brilliant decision. Pakistan should also follow suit but our gutless leader will never have the will to displease the right wing extremists in the country.

[JaDed]

Is it done to counter Qatar? Too much of gulf news in last 1 week.

[Pakpak]

Brilliant decision. Pakistan should also follow suit but our gutless leader will never have the will to displease the right wing extremists in the country.

Yeah! Let's pick on the gutless leader who has only been incharge for 2 years, what about the gutless donkeys who ruled the previous 70? Or did I imagine a left-wing utopia under them?

No Pakistani leader will recognise Israel, it'd be political suicide. Never mind the ring wing extremists, the average joe would riot.

[AdamM97]

Is it done to counter Qatar? Too much of gulf news in last 1 week.

Not Qatar, but Iran.

[Savak]

Israel is a reality. I wonder if the Arab world will boycott UAE now?

[Pakpak]

Not Qatar, but Iran.

Other Arab states will follow suit soon I reckon, to contain Iran.

[Pakpak]

Israel is a reality. I wonder if the Arab world will boycott UAE now?

They will follow in time I reckon, there is no way UAE would have done this without Saudis knowing.

[sweep_shot]

UAE has been a sellout state for quite a while now. Nothing to see.

[JaDed]

Not Qatar, but Iran.

Iran is just a cultural powerhouse not economical one ,everyone ganging up on one country sometimes (involuntarily) I root for em.

[JaDed]

UAE has been a sellout state for quite a while now. Nothing to see.

Any example of non sell out countries?

[cricketjoshila]

Ate the Saudis next?

[sweep_shot]

Any example of non sell out countries?

Turkey.

Long live Erdogan.

[FreakCricket]

Brilliant decision. Pakistan should also follow suit but our gutless leader will never have the will to displease the right wing extremists in the country.

Why should we? Israel survives on America and what's Pakistan going to gain by working with a racist apartheid state of Evil Israel?

[JaDed]

Why should we? Israel survives on America and what's Pakistan going to gain by working with a racist apartheid state of Evil Israel?

It doesn’t survive only coz America, check out their tech and influence.

[Savak]

Pakistan should have recognized Israel a long time ago. The Arabs have done squat for us and even now with the Saudiazation drive, a lot of Pakistani's in Saudi Arabia are looking at other Middle East countries, moving back to Pakistan or moving to the West.

[gani999]

Turkey.

Long live Erdogan.

Turkey and Jordan have been having normal diplomatic relations with Israel for quite some time now. It is only the Arab world that has been against Israel, and now UAE is breaking the ice.

[JaDed]

Turkey.

Long live Erdogan.

Turkey recognizes Israel boss..even Erdogan hasnt unrecognized em although apparently relations are “strained”.

[Varun]

Israel is a reality. I wonder if the Arab world will boycott UAE now?

The UAE is basically the Arab World. Them and Saudi Arabia call the shots.

Turkey.

Long live Erdogan.

Fail. Turkey recognizes Israel and is also in bed with 'Satan' - the USA, through being a member of NATO.

[Varun]

יום היסטורי ���� https://t.co/4mD6DzoTvE

— Benjamin Netanyahu (@netanyahu) August 13, 2020

[FreakCricket]

It doesn’t survive only coz America, check out their tech and influence.

Most of the Tech money in Israel comes from America, it's a double bluff. Whole country's existence is due to Wealthy Jewish people and Evangelicals

[saeedhk]

Pakistan should follow suit. Pakistanio ko waisay Islam ka taykaydaar bannay ka shonk hai.

[JaDed]

Most of the Tech money in Israel comes from America, it's a double bluff. Whole country's existence is due to Wealthy Jewish people and Evangelicals

Faulty generalization...

[sweep_shot]

Faulty generalization...

Israel would probably cease to exist if daddy USA stops supporting it.

One day it will be liberated (by the will of God).

[KingKhanWC]

The lack of knowledge on this subject amazes me.

Pakistan will never recognise Israel, as it's an illegal occupying state which since it's illegitimate birth has been involved in state terrorism. I love the Pakistani passport as it mentions Israel as a no go nation.

Some need to study basic history, the UAE, Saudi etc are rulled by Dictators. The same clowns who rant about democracy, hate communism, dictators etc are now happy with a dictatorship making friends with a terrorist state. lol.

[KingKhanWC]

Pakistan should follow suit. Pakistanio ko waisay Islam ka taykaydaar bannay ka shonk hai.

You hate China because it's communist, yet you support Arab dicators and a nation which has oppressed people for decades, openly lol.

[JaDed]

Israel would probably cease to exist if daddy USA stops supporting it.

One day it will be liberated (by the will of God).

All countries will cease to exist one day ... that prediction will not happen in our life time though..

[Syed1]

Not sure why whatever UAE is doing is being used to raise fingers on Pakistan. We will do whatever we feel is best for us, and having or not having relations with a puny country like Israel isn't going to change anything. Heck Israel is so deep up India's ... that is best we don't even engage with them.

[Slog]

Israel is a reality that is not going away anytime in our or next generations lifetimes.

We should accept it

[Varun]

Pakistan will never recognise Israel, as it's an illegal occupying state which since it's illegitimate birth has been involved in state terrorism. I love the Pakistani passport as it mentions Israel as a no go nation.

Which is why you've made no serious attempts to procure it while being happy to remain on the lower rung of Britain's societal system, despite their creation of Israel and active participation in military campaigns against Muslims in the Middle East and elsewhere. Cute.

Not sure why whatever UAE is doing is being used to raise fingers on Pakistan. We will do whatever we feel is best for us, and having or not having relations with a puny country like Israel isn't going to change anything. Heck Israel is so deep up India's ... that is best we don't even engage with them.

Israel is so deep up India's... because of Pakistan's nonchalance toward it. They have hankered for recognition by as many nations as possible, especially by Islamic ones - it would represent a diplomatic coup for them. Pakistan were happy to get into bed with Saudi Arabia instead.

India set up diplomatic relations with Israel only in 1992, so Pakistan can't say it didn't have the time.

[Syed1]

Which is why you've made no serious attempts to procure it while being happy to remain on the lower rung of Britain's societal system, despite their creation of Israel and active participation in military campaigns against Muslims in the Middle East and elsewhere. Cute.



Israel is so deep up India's... because of Pakistan's nonchalance toward it. They have hankered for recognition by as many nations as possible, especially by Islamic ones - it would represent a diplomatic coup for them. Pakistan were happy to get into bed with Saudi Arabia instead.

India set up diplomatic relations with Israel only in 1992, so Pakistan can't say it didn't have the time.

Ok tomorrow Pakistan shakes hands with Israel, what is going to change for Pakistan? Absolutely NOTHING. Instead we would be yet another country to betray Palestine. Heck I'd be happy if Pakistan is the second last country after Palestine to recognize Israel because either way it makes no difference to us.

[freelance_cricketer]

If Israel is a reality than what is India in Kashmir?

I respect KKWC because he's consistent in his views. If you can't support and stand by The Ummat in Palestine, China then stop being fake about Kashmir.

[Varun]

Ok tomorrow Pakistan shakes hands with Israel, what is going to change for Pakistan? Absolutely NOTHING. Instead we would be yet another country to betray Palestine. Heck I'd be happy if Pakistan is the second last country after Palestine to recognize Israel because either way it makes no difference to us.

Why, what changes for Pakistan if it betrays Palestine? Absolutely NOTHING.

Relations with Israel - even a start - will throw a curveball India's way and will only reap dividends in various fields - technology, agriculture, defense over the medium to long term.

[Varun]

I respect KKWC because he's consistent in his views. If you can't support and stand by The Ummat in Palestine, China then stop being fake about Kashmir.

Please. He's the ultimate keyboard warrior around here. The lure of UK benefits keeps him where he is, and gives him life's wordly pleasures...including a keyboard.

Zero Uyghurs/Syrians/Palestinians have been positively affected by him I'm sure.

[Varun]

Israel would probably cease to exist if daddy USA stops supporting it.

One day it will be liberated (by the will of God).

Lol. Words by a man who's been repeatedly checkmated, if you're resorting to that.

[Pakpak]

Lol. Words by a man who's been repeatedly checkmated, if you're resorting to that.

The world is moving to space and our sheep are still stuck at liberating a land the incompetent Arabs lost.

[Greenstorm]

Israel is a reality that is not going away anytime in our or next generations lifetimes.

We should accept it

Realities keep changing. Instead of being selfish, we should keep striving so that our future generations can pray freely in al-Aqsa.

[KingKhanWC]

If Israel is a reality than what is India in Kashmir?

I respect KKWC because he's consistent in his views. If you can't support and stand by The Ummat in Palestine, China then stop being fake about Kashmir.

No offence but it means nothing what an Indian respects or think of the Palestine issue.

Many Hindus love Israel because they know just like their RSS ideology the enemyu is Muslims.

Muslims have ruled over Jews and Hindus for for centuries so it's understandable.

Jewish state is a temp state, the geography of the land is not in favour of them , just as it was against the Crusaders. Jews should have made a deal with a two state, now they have pencilled in a future of their Jewish state being wiped off the map when the balance of power changes in the world.

[Pakpak]

Lol. Words by a man who's been repeatedly checkmated, if you're resorting to that.

The world is moving to space and our sheep are still stuck at liberating a land the incompetent Arabs lost.

[gani999]

Realities keep changing. Instead of being selfish, we should keep striving so that our future generations can pray freely in al-Aqsa.

Maybe it is worth considering that if you stopped 'striving' to do whatever and extended recognition to Israel, they may even allow you to pray freely in al-Aqsa.

[Greenstorm]

Maybe it is worth considering that if you stopped 'striving' to do whatever and extended recognition to Israel, they may even allow you to pray freely in al-Aqsa.

I can see why a person from Indian (hindu) background will suggest such compromise.

A true mard-e-momin never relies on oppressor's mercy. If we won't stop them at al-Aqsa then in future, we will need their 'allowance' to pray at Makka and Madina.

[Markhor]

It's like a couple sleeping together for years, everyone being fully aware of the arrangement but not saying a word, and the couple finally announcing they're an item to the world.

[OldWarHorse]

Israel is a tech giant. No escaping that fact. Its the nations who stay away due to ideological reasons are the ones who are going to lose out anyway. UAE and Saudis arent so stupid as to let that hamper them. Those who aren't directly affected by Israel's actions shouldn't stay away either.

[Pakpak]

Israel is a tech giant. No escaping that fact. Its the nations who stay away due to ideological reasons are the ones who are going to lose out anyway. UAE and Saudis arent so stupid as to let that hamper them. Those who aren't directly affected by Israel's actions shouldn't stay away either.

Saudis and UAE aren't doing it out of some technological advantage. Its to corner Iran. Both have the money to ignore what the world thinks and both are tyrants to their populations that they can stomach blowback.

In Pakistan you'd have rioting and politicians can say goodbye to their careers. And we are not rich enough to survive blowback from such a move.

[Giannis]

Don't worry, Pakistan will still claim thaykaydaari over some imagined Muslim Ummah

Yeah! Let's pick on the gutless leader who has only been incharge for 2 years, what about the gutless donkeys who ruled the previous 70? Or did I imagine a left-wing utopia under them?

No Pakistani leader will recognise Israel, it'd be political suicide. Never mind the ring wing extremists, the average joe would riot.

That's the typical ex muslim narrative you're trying to push. It shouldn't matter if the UAE made the morally corrupt decision to throw the Palestinians under the bus.

[Firebat]

Israel signs historic 'peace' deal with UAE that suspends annexation

Israel and the United Arab Emirates have agreed to establish full diplomatic ties in a historic Washington-brokered deal under which Israel will “suspend” its plans to annex parts of the Palestinian territories.

However, cracks in the deal became quickly apparent after its announcement on Thursday, with Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, saying there was “no change” to his annexation plans, while the UAE insisted that it “immediately stops annexation”.

After Jordan and Egypt, the UAE is only the third Arab country to announce formal diplomatic relations with Israel, and the announcement will reverberate across the Middle East, which has a turbulent history with the Jewish state.

Donald Trump, who is facing a tough presidential election on 3 November, played up the deal as a significant foreign policy win.

“Everybody said this would be impossible,” the US president told reporters at the White House. “After 49 years, Israel and the United Arab Emirates will fully normalise their diplomatic relations. They will exchange embassies and ambassadors and begin cooperation across the board and on a broad range of areas including tourism, education, healthcare, trade and security.”

He said the tenor of the three-way phone call he had with Israeli and UAE leaders “was like love”. Similar agreements were being discussed with other countries in the region, he added, without giving details.

Israel has also cultivated ties with Saudi Arabia, Oman, and Bahrain. Asked about who might be next in line to establish diplomatic relations, Trump’s son-in-law and adviser, Jared Kushner, said: “We have a couple who are upset that they weren’t first.

“I do think that this makes it more inevitable, but it’s going to take hard work and it’s going to take trust being built and dialogue being facilitated in order for people to cross that line as well,” Kushner told journalists. “So hopefully this makes it easier for others; many are watching to see how this goes.”

Surrounded by his top aides in the Oval Office, Trump described the pact as a “peace agreement”. However, the UAE’s Crown Prince Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan later tweeted that the country had agreed instead to “cooperation and setting a roadmap towards establishing a bilateral relationship”.

For Netanyahu, Israel’s hardline and longest-serving prime minister, the announcement is also a significant boost. For years, Netanyahu has attempted to build relationships in the Middle East while at the same time entrenching Israel’s control over Palestinians. Now, despite having threatened to permanently seize occupied land, he has won a hugely symbolic victory. “A historic day,” the 70-year-old leader wrote on Twitter.

Even Israel’s opposition leader, Yair Lapid, congratulated the prime minister.

For the Palestinians, who have long relied on Arab backing in their struggle for independence, the development will be seen as a big setback in their attempts to increase international pressure on Israel until a full peace deal has been agreed.

The Palestinian politician Hanan Ashrawi accused the UAE of abandoning the Palestinians. “May you never experience the agony of having your country stolen; may you never feel the pain of living in captivity under occupation; may you never witness the demolition of your home or murder of your loved ones. May you never be sold out by your ‘friends’,” Ashrawi wrote on Twitter.

Announced in a joint statement by Israel, the UAE and the US, the deal will see Israeli and Emirati delegations meet in the coming weeks. The statement said they would sign agreements on investment, tourism, direct flights, security, telecommunications, technology, energy, healthcare, culture, the environment, the establishment of reciprocal embassies, and “other areas of mutual benefit”.

At Trump’s request, Israel “will suspend declaring sovereignty” over parts of the West Bank, it said.

The UAE’s ambassador to Washington, Yousef Al Otaiba, said on Twitter: “The agreement immediately stops annexation & the potential for violent escalation. It maintains the viability of a 2-state solution as endorsed by the Arab League & international community.”

In contrast, Netanyahu said in a Hebrew-language televised announcement there was “no change in my plans for annexation, with full coordination with the US”, suggesting it was only temporarily on hold.

Despite the UAE not formally recognising Israel, the two countries have increased ties significantly over the years, in part due to their shared enmity towards Iran, but also because Abu Dhabi craves Israeli security and intelligence technology.

The UAE ambassador to the US infuriated Palestinians when he attended Trump’s unveiling of his vision for Middle East peace at the White House in January. It granted Israel a wishlist of its long-held demands and was rejected by the Palestinians, who were promised a broken-up “state”.

Palestinian leaders and several other Arab countries have watched the budding alliance with concern it could fragment a once-unified voice. The deal came as a surprise even to some countries with a clear stake in the Israel-Palestine issue. And while diplomatic ties with its neighbours have long been argued to be an incentive for Israel to end the occupation, that theory is now being tested.

The US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, suggested the deal was a long time coming. “So it’s been many years obviously that this has been in the works, but certainly over the last few months we’ve been working diligently to find a place where everyone could get comfortable that this was the right way to move forward,” he told reporters.

In his Oval Office announcement, Trump repeatedly stressed the political significance of the agreement for the US, contrasting his achievements with the shortcomings of his predecessor, Barack Obama, and his Democratic challenger in the November election, Joe Biden.

His aides took turns to praise Trump for his role in sealing the agreement, beginning with Kushner, who said his father-in-law worked to “unite people”.

Robert O’Brien, the national security adviser, claimed Trump had transformed the region. “You came into office with a region that was really aflame, and you brought peace to that region and there’s more to come,” O’Brien said. “So it’s an honour to be part of your team and to serve under your leadership.”

Trump’s aides then broke into sustained applause.

Biden welcomed the agreement as historic. “The UAE’s offer to publicly recognise the state of Israel is a welcome, brave, and badly needed act of statesmanship,” the presidential contender said.

The announcement was equally lauded by several pro-Israel voices, including the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac), an influential US-based lobby group, which described it as a “breakthrough”.

However, IfNotNow, a more progressive, anti-occupation movement of American Jews, said there was “nothing to celebrate”.

Its political director, Emily Mayer, said the deal was an attempt by Trump and Netanyahu “to distract from their catastrophic failures in leadership as they face an ongoing pandemic, economic crisis, civil unrest, and plummeting support from the public in the US and Israel”.

She added: “Once again, Palestinians, who are not mentioned in this document, are treated as political pawns and excluded from decision-making about their own future.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-donald-trump

[Giannis]

Israel is a tech giant. No escaping that fact. Its the nations who stay away due to ideological reasons are the ones who are going to lose out anyway. UAE and Saudis arent so stupid as to let that hamper them. Those who aren't directly affected by Israel's actions shouldn't stay away either.

Your comment makes no sense, it's not like Israeli tech isn't available on the market or that other countries can't buy their services and it's not like that's the most important thing in the world anyways. I notice a lot of Hindus have oppurtunist mentality, they'll compromise values for money. Perhaps tomorrow if America or another country offers a trillion dollars to India for Kashmir they'll agree.

[Giannis]

Here's a deal Hindus. Grant Kashmir independence and we'll let your pilgrims come and pray to their statues whenever they want . It shouldn't matter cause Hindus are such pragmatists and they should accept this offer.

[Pakpak]

That's the typical ex muslim narrative you're trying to push. It shouldn't matter if the UAE made the morally corrupt decision to throw the Palestinians under the bus.

????????

I have lambasted Israel plenty of times. I bash China all the time and defend Kashmir 24/7 on PP. So get lost by bringing my religious orientation into this.

If Israel agrees to a two state solution it should be recognised. Even without it, its a nation, and if we are selling murderous Burmese weapons and calling China bhai bhai and being friends with every nation doing atrocities, what's one more? Esp if it helps us when it comes to scoring a coup wrt to India just like India uses diplomacy with the arabs.

You should know me well enough now on PP that I have always stood with the minorities being killed in politics, whether Kashmir or Uguihyrs or Rohingya. Your jibe at me was a disgrace and here I thought you were a good poster. Get lost mate.

[gani999]

I can see why a person from Indian (hindu) background will suggest such compromise.

A true mard-e-momin never relies on oppressor's mercy. If we won't stop them at al-Aqsa then in future, we will need their 'allowance' to pray at Makka and Madina.

Unfortunatey, most mard-e-momins don't seem to know the difference between a compromise and an agreement based on mutual respect and recognition. If they did, the world would be a lot better than it is.

[Pakpak]

Here's a deal Hindus. Grant Kashmir independence and we'll let your pilgrims come and pray to their statues whenever they want . It shouldn't matter cause Hindus are such pragmatists and they should accept this offer.

Hindus?

Pakistan also has proud Hindus who are patriotic.

One thing I am not, which is a bigot.

[Giannis]

Hindus?

Pakistan also has proud Hindus who are patriotic.

One thing I am not, which is a bigot.

Lmaoo looks like I touched a nerve. By Hindu I obviously mean the Indian majority, I'm not speaking about all Hindus but the ones that support Hindu nationalism which is central to India's identity. You might want to read up more about the world.

[Pakpak]

Lmaoo looks like I touched a nerve. By Hindu I obviously mean the Indian majority, I'm not speaking about all Hindus but the ones that support Hindu nationalism which is central to India's identity. You might want to read up more about the world.

You're a bigot. And would cry if someone said the same thing about Muslims.

Indian RSS Modi loving skum is not the same as all Hindus. Pakistan has many proud Hindus who love our nation, atleast don't display your bigotry this openly.

[Giannis]

You're a bigot. And would cry if someone said the same thing about Muslims.

Indian RSS Modi loving skum is not the same as all Hindus. Pakistan has many proud Hindus who love our nation, atleast don't display your bigotry this openly.

Hinduism is not a religion according to most Hindus themselves, it's an ethnonationalist identity for Indians. Apples and oranges.

[Pakpak]

Hinduism is not a religion according to most Hindus themselves, it's an ethnonationalist identity for Indians. Apples and oranges.

Being Indian and Hindu is not the same thing. Just like when idiots generalise all Muslims. Its not apples and oranges. We have millions of Hindus who identify as Pakistani and there are plenty of good Hindus in India too.

They will be hard to find under Modi's fascist India but they are there.

[Giannis]

Being Indian and Hindu is not the same thing. Just like when idiots generalise all Muslims. Its not apples and oranges. We have millions of Hindus who identify as Pakistani and there are plenty of good Hindus in India too.

They will be hard to find under Modi's fascist India but they are there.

Hindutva is central to India's a identity.

[Pakpak]

Hindutva is central to India's a identity.

Just like Islam was to ISIS. It did not mean Muslims in Saudi Arabia or Iran or Pakistan or Turkey next door were ISIS supporters.

Hindutva is central to some Indians' identity. Not all. I know enough Indians in real life to know that and my own best friend is Indian and despises RSS more than i do. And it has nothing to do with Pakistani Hindus so again, it was idiotic to say 'you Hindus'. As if Hindus everywhere are the same.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Don't worry, Pakistan will still claim thaykaydaari over some imagined Muslim Ummah

Or they may align with an eastern trade bloc which may benefit them rather than kowtow to Saudis who are themselves already compromised due to deep indenture to western expertise. The old silk road is being revived, new trading routes are being established. Not sure how India will stand alone as a puppet for the west. Indians do still have to live in the eastern hemisphere at the end of the day.

[Angrez Pakistani]

You can’t recognise a country that can’t even recognise itself. And since when did these ‘dictatorial regimes’, as often portrayed by the media of the enlightened masses, ever became the role models to be followed?

[Syed1]

I see some Israelis claiming that the UAE doing a deal with Israel proves ‘the Arab world’ are onboard & don’t care about the Palestinians. To be clear, & not racist, the unelected princes of the tiny Gulf state of the Emirates don’t speak for all 400 million Arabs.

Obviously.

— Mehdi Hasan (@mehdirhasan) August 13, 2020

[Pakpak]

Or they may align with an eastern trade bloc which may benefit them rather than kowtow to Saudis who are themselves already compromised due to deep indenture to western expertise. The old silk road is being revived, new trading routes are being established. Not sure how India will stand alone as a puppet for the west. Indians do still have to live in the eastern hemisphere at the end of the day.

I hope they do. As we don't have the morons running our nation like we did before.

[Pakpak]

I see some Israelis claiming that the UAE doing a deal with Israel proves ‘the Arab world’ are onboard & don’t care about the Palestinians. To be clear, & not racist, the unelected princes of the tiny Gulf state of the Emirates don’t speak for all 400 million Arabs.

Obviously.

— Mehdi Hasan (@mehdirhasan) August 13, 2020

While this is true the average Arab won't care. I remember asking an Egyptian once that don't Egyptians get angry when their government blockades the Palestinians? His reply was that people are indifferent due to their own problems aside from the 5 minute outrage.

The Gulf Arabs will simply get money thrown their way by the rulers and won't care at all or if they will there will simply be no steam in kind of response. Saudis do it everytime they run into any kind of domestic trouble, throw money at the people and problem solved. Millions of Arab refugees from Palestine are sadly treated like dirt in Arab nations.

[shaz619]

Oh god no, I gather British Pakistanis wont be holidaying in Dubai anymore

[KingKhanWC]

Please. He's the ultimate keyboard warrior around here. The lure of UK benefits keeps him where he is, and gives him life's wordly pleasures...including a keyboard.

Zero Uyghurs/Syrians/Palestinians have been positively affected by him I'm sure.

You support Israel which is expected as your own beloved government is nearly as bad at murder in Kashmir. I support Palestinians not only because of human rights abuses and state terrorism but because they are also Muslim like myself.

[KingKhanWC]

Oh god no, I gather British Pakistanis wont be holidaying in Dubai anymore

UAE is done now, tourism has pretty much died. My friend is over there now, he says it's dead. He staying at the Jumeirah Beach Hotel which is usually expensive but he is paying a whole weeks stay for what we have previously paid for a weekend.

Ive been there many times so will not go there again and im assuming many other Muslims from the UK will feel the same. Cant say the same for the American muslims or the freshies.

[Angrez Pakistani]

But I do think it’s very shrewd on part of both UAE and Israel. Oil is going to be on its way to redundancy in the future as alternative means of fuels are emerging. So it would be more beneficial for the UAE to utilise Israel expertise in their research and infrastructure, to avoid being on the sidelines in future.

[Syed1]

یو اے ای اور اسراٸیل معاہدے کے بعد عربوں نے تقریباً ہتھیار ڈال دیے ہیں۔ یہودیوں کے خلاف اسلام کا جھنڈا اب مکمل طور پرعجمیوں کے ذمے ہو گا۔ اللہ سرخرو فرماٸے۔ آمین

— Imran Khan (@ImranRiazKhan) August 13, 2020

Arabiyon ki jang ab Ajamiyon ne larni hogi. Allah surkhoro karay inshallah.

[KingKhanWC]

But I do think it’s very shrewd on part of both UAE and Israel. Oil is going to be on its way to redundancy in the future as alternative means of fuels are emerging. So it would be more beneficial for the UAE to utilise Israel expertise in their research and infrastructure, to avoid being on the sidelines in future.

Nothing to do with this imo. UAE are a scared little nation with a lot of wealth. One of the reasons I didn't invest in the UAE, was the threat of terrorism. One attack now will be the final nail in their tourism coffin, they like most know Israel is behind unstablising nations it sees as enemies, so they want to be friends. Again these are puppets, no Arabs elected them.

[Syed1]

So much is made off the Israeli tech industry. I work in tech. I make sonars for submarines. One project we used a single board computer from an Israeli company. It was crap. Israel is way behind USA, China, Korea and Europe. Obviously when compare with third world then it looks like a tech gaint.

[Varun]

UAE is done now, tourism has pretty much died. My friend is over there now, he says it's dead. He staying at the Jumeirah Beach Hotel which is usually expensive but he is paying a whole weeks stay for what we have previously paid for a weekend.

Yeah, I wonder why that is.

So much is made off the Israeli tech industry. I work in tech. I make sonars for submarines. One project we used a single board computer from an Israeli company. It was crap.

That settles it. Game, set and match Israel.

Palestine 1. Israel 0.

[Angrez Pakistani]

Nothing to do with this imo. UAE are a scared little nation with a lot of wealth. One of the reasons I didn't invest in the UAE, was the threat of terrorism. One attack now will be the final nail in their tourism coffin, they like most know Israel is behind unstablising nations it sees as enemies, so they want to be friends. Again these are puppets, no Arabs elected them.

Then I don’t see a point in having the alliance. They could’ve just remained neutral for all that is worth here.

[Syed1]

Yeah, I wonder why that is.



That settles it. Game, set and match Israel.

Palestine 1. Israel 0.

Cutting off part of a post that completely changes its context to make a point is highly disingenuous, but you aren't here for a meaningful discussion anyway so it's expected.

[Sidilicious]

Ok tomorrow Pakistan shakes hands with Israel, what is going to change for Pakistan? Absolutely NOTHING. Instead we would be yet another country to betray Palestine. Heck I'd be happy if Pakistan is the second last country after Palestine to recognize Israel because either way it makes no difference to us.

You do realize that with this treaty, UAE have stopped Israel from occupying further West Bank territory. As allies, they can do a lot more for the Palestinians than as enemies.

What has Pakistan been able to do for the Palestinians in terms of results? zilch! As business partners, especially where both UAE and Israel need each other, it could help the Palestinians more. Could also lead to further economic development of Palestine as UAE will be able to boost its investments there.

[Sidilicious]

Ok tomorrow Pakistan shakes hands with Israel, what is going to change for Pakistan? Absolutely NOTHING. Instead we would be yet another country to betray Palestine. Heck I'd be happy if Pakistan is the second last country after Palestine to recognize Israel because either way it makes no difference to us.

You do realize that with this treaty, UAE have stopped Israel from occupying further West Bank territory. As allies, they can do a lot more for the Palestinians than as enemies.

What has Pakistan been able to do for the Palestinians in terms of results? zilch! As business partners, especially where both UAE and Israel need each other, it could help the Palestinians more. Could also lead to further economic development of Palestine as UAE will be able to boost its investments there.

[OldWarHorse]

So much is made off the Israeli tech industry. I work in tech. I make sonars for submarines. One project we used a single board computer from an Israeli company. It was crap. Israel is way behind USA, China, Korea and Europe. Obviously when compare with third world then it looks like a tech gaint.

Every now and then you may find some products of substandard quality (depending on your level of investment), even from the best of the best. Means zilch about the entire landscape though.

[MenInG]

Source Al Jazeera

UAE, Israel normalised ties to 'keep US militarily engaged' in Middle East

Tirta Parsi, executive vice-president of the Quincy Institute, said the main aim of the UAE-Israel agreement normalising ties was to keep Washington "militarily engaged in the region".

The Iran expert made the comment when asked about what the deal might mean for Tehran and what role the alleged threat from Israel and US's arch-foe played in the historic agreement.

Noting the close business ties between Abu Dhabi and Tehran, Parsi said the alliance between Israel, UAE and Saudi Arabia is "more about the fact they are terrified of the idea of the United States leaving the Middle East".

"Amplifying, exaggerating a threat from Iran is one very potent instrument to keep the United States committed to the Middle East, keeping its troops in the Middle East and providing them with the diplomatic maneuverability that they otherwise would not be able to get if it was solely based on their own power," he told Al Jazeera from Reston in the US state of Virginia.

"So, in that sense, the threat from Iran fulfills that function, but it's not the threat from Iran that is bringing those states closer together. What is bringing them closer together is the desire of keeping the United States militarily engaged in the region."


Iran says UAE-Israel deal is 'dangerous'

Iran's foreign ministry condemned the deal normalising ties between Israel and the UAE, calling it a dangerous and "strategic act of idiocy" that will further "invigorate the axis of resistance in the region", according to the official IRNA news agency.

"The shameful measure of Abu Dhabi to reach an agreement with the fake Zionist regime (Israel) is a dangerous move and the UAE and other states that backed it will be responsible for its consequences," the statement said, according to IRNA

"This is stabbing the Palestinians in the back and will strengthen the regional unity against the Zionist regime," the foreign ministry said.


US envoy calls UAE-Israel deal 'Iran's worst nightmare'

Brian Hook, the US State Department's lead official on Iran who will be leaving his post soon, said the new agreement amounted to a "nightmare" for Iran in its efforts against Israel in the region.

"What we see today is a new Middle East," Hook said at the White House.

"The trend lines are very different today. And we see the future is very much in the Gulf and with Israel, and the past is with the Iranian regime."


'He deceived us': Israeli settler leaders slam Netanyahu

David Elhayani, head of Israel's Yesha Council of settlers, lambasted Netanyahu for suspending plans to annex large parts of the occupied West Bank as part of the agreement normalising ties with the UAE.

"Netanyahu has repeatedly promised the application of Israeli sovereignty in Judea, Samaria and the Jordan Valley. We had face-to-face meetings. He assured us that he was working on it, that this is the main political issue on which he was running in the election," Elhayani said in a statement.

"He deceived us. He has deceived half a million residents of the area and hundreds of thousands of voters," he added.

Shai Alon, mayor of the Beit El, an illegal settlement near the Palestinian city of Ramallah, accused Netanyahu of selling out his supporters.

"They pulled a fast one on the settlers," Alon was quoted as saying by the Times of Israel newspaper.

Palestine recalls its ambassador to UAE

The Palestinian foreign ministry recalled its ambassador to UAE on the orders of President Mahmoud Abbas.

In a statement, the official Wafa news agency said the move came "in the aftermath of the tripartite US-brokered Israel-UAE deal on full normalisation of the relations between the two countries".

[MenInG]

JERUSALEM: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday he agreed to delay annexation in the occupied West Bank as part of a normalisation deal with the UAE but the plans remain “on the table”.

Netanyahu said that in agreement with US President Donald Trump he had “delayed” West Bank annexation plans, but that he would “never give up our rights to our land”.

Netanyahu, like many in the Jewish state, refers to the occupied West Bank as Judea and Samaria and claims the territory as part of the historic homeland of the Jewish people.

“We will definitely not locate anything in Jerusalem. West or East. Unless there is a final agreement between the Israelis and Palestinians.” Gargash urged the Israelis and Palestinians to return to the negotiating table but said that the issue was not in the hands of the UAE.

The United Arab Emirates’ Senior official Anwar Gargash said the deal had helped defuse what he called the ticking time-bomb of Israel’s planned annexation of settlements in the occupied West Bank that was threatening a two-state solution to the IsraeliPalestinian conflict.

Gargash, minister of state for foreign affairs, said the agreement was a bold but necessary step to take in the region.

“The region is very polarised. You will hear the usual noise but I think it is important to move forward,” he told reporters in a briefing.

Delegations from Israel and the UAE, a regional business and investment hub, will meet in coming weeks to sign bilateral agreements on investment, tourism, direct flights, security, telecommunications and other issues, the statement said.

Iran calls UAE-Israel deal ‘shameful’
Iran’s Tasnim news agency, which is affiliated to the country’s elite Revolutionary Guards, said Thursday’s deal between Israel and the United Arab Emirates on normalising ties was “shameful”. Iran’s clerical leaders have yet to react to the deal.

Israel and the UAE reached a deal on Thursday on seeking the full normalisation of diplomatic relations between the two Middle Eastern nations, in an agreement that US President Donald Trump helped broker.

Israel-UAE deal ‘does not serve Palestinian cause’: Hamas
The Gaza Strip’s Islamist leaders Hamas on Thursday rejected a historic agreement between Israel and the UAE saying it did not serve the Palestinian cause.

“The agreement with the UAE is a reward for the Israeli occupation and crimes,” Hamas spokesman Hazem Qasem said.

Johnson welcomes deal
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson welcomed an agreement between Israel and the United Arab Emirates that will lead to a full normalisation of diplomatic relations between the two states.

“The UAE and Israels decision to normalise relations is hugely good news,” Johnson said on Twitter.

“It was my profound hope that annexation did not go ahead in the West Bank and todays agreement to suspend those plans is a welcome step on the road to a more peaceful Middle East.” Foreign minister Dominic Raab said it was “time for direct talks between the Palestinians and Israel, the only route to lasting peace.”

Sisi praises deal

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi on Thursday praised the US-brokered deal between Israel and the United Arab Emirates that would halt Israeli annexation of Palestinian land.

“I read with interest and great appreciation the joint statement between the United States, the brotherly United Arab Emirates and Israel concerning the halt of Israel’s annexation of Palestinian land,” Sisi said in a tweet, adding that this would help bring “peace” to the Middle East. Sisi’s remarks came after US President Donald Trump’s surprise announcement Thursday that the UAE and Israel would normalise ties.

The deal would make the UAE only the third Arab country Israel has diplomatic relations with after Egypt and Jordan.

As part of the deal, Israel has agreed to “suspend” plans to annex Jewish settlements and other territory in the occupied West Bank, according to a joint statement from the US, UAE and Israel tweeted by Trump.

“I appreciate the efforts of the architects of this agreement for the prosperity and stability of our region,” Sisi said.

In 1979, Egypt and Israel signed the first-ever peace treaty between the Jewish state and an Arab nation, upturning Middle East diplomatic and military relations.

Egypt has long served as a mediator between Israel and the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas that controls the Gaza Strip.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1574316/we...says-netanyahu

[desirous of desire]

It doesnt hurt to read Indian views here because of their track record in Kashmir. Obviously they are happy because it gives legitimacy to their occupation of Kashmir. The less said about them, the better.

Why i am sad is to read up on views of a few Pakistanis. So what if Israel is reality, occupied Kashmir is a reality too and both realities are based on illegal occupation.

What does accepting Israel or not has to do with the world trying to go the space and we being left behind. Should we be indifferent to our Muslim brother's plight because we want to go to the Mars? Why cant both things go hand in hand ? Why cant we keep supporting Palestinians and become technologically advanced ?

Is it because we are focussing so much of our attention to Israeli occupation that we dont strive to become technologically advanced nation ? There are thousands of reasons why we do not reach our potential. We dont have to

[MenInG]

Turkey slams UAE's 'hypocritical behaviour'

Turkey condemned the UAE for normalising ties with Israel as a "hypocritical" betrayal of the Palestinian cause.

"While betraying the Palestinian cause to serve its narrow interests, the UAE is trying to present this as a kind of act of self-sacrifice for Palestine. History and the conscience of the people living in the region will not forget and never forgive this hypocritical behaviour," the Turkish foreign ministry said in a statement.