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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    This whole argument of Pakistan picking Naseem at the wrong time etc. doesnít make sense.

    This guy is a nothing bowler at this point. He has no skills and even at his fastest, he was not out of this world quick. It is not as if he was some Shaun Tait type speed demon who could clock 96 or 97 mph.

    He was just Ďnormalí fast and now he is a trundler.

    There is nothing to suggest that he would have developed into an elite bowler if he wasnít fast-tracked.

    Whoever fudged his age did him great service because it enabled him to play international cricket.

    If the lie of him being a 16 year old wasnít sold, he wouldnít have been close to international selection. It was the only reason he was hyped in the first place. It wasnít because of his domestic performance.





    Said following about Naseem (and others) in the summer. Literally I would say all of it still applies. We are frozen in time.

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    However what was disappointing (and frankly what I knew) was Pakistanís bowling attack.

    Some impressions on key players on my end:


    Abbas is a good bowler in English conditions and will largely do his job on most days. But he is declining. With this likely being our last England tour in a while his time is up soon.

    Shaheen Shah can bowl good lines and uses his height well but he is far from finished article. He isnít progressing as well as I would like but he is by and far our best upcoming prospect

    The only reason Naseem Shah is even being given coverage is due to his bogus age. You could find dime a dozen bowlers of similar quality and development in their mid 20s. Most wont look at him twice if he wasnít a so called teenager. He is well behind the eight ball and needs to develop quite a bit to justify the hype he has gotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    Heís a young kid, heís not the first and last player to have had a poor run. Heíll get better with time InshAllah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    The question is how far into the future? If he can't perform now for the team, does he justify a spot?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    The question is how far into the future? If he can't perform now for the team, does he justify a spot?
    Hes had enough opportunities i would let work on his action and run up in the academy set up

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    Dump him for 3 years in domestic cricket.

    International cricket is not the place to learn.

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    Waqar Younis on Naseem Shah:

    “Naseem Shah has performed well at home and has also taken a hat-trick. He is learning fast. Other bowlers have also had massive improvements despite the epidemic"

    “We try to prepare the players for the tough circumstances of Test cricket but the conditions did not allow us to fully prepare them"


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    If he can find his speed again, the potential is there. He is young.

    Teams will always struggle in NZ and Australia. He should be given an opportunity again.

    If he can't find his speed again, it's going to be difficult for him

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    He needs to model his bowling on Mark Wood.

    Short, sharp bursts. Vary the length and attack the batsmen.



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    Is he playing in PAK cup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Is he playing in PAK cup?
    Has a hamstring niggle according to the Chief Selector so no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahson8 View Post
    Has a hamstring niggle according to the Chief Selector so no.
    There's nothing wrong with him, he is 100% fit.

    I guess just being rested after the shocking NZ effort.



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    Naseem needs to get his pace and sharpness back. He has no future as a 85mph bowler because he doesn't have the skills to take wickets at that pace.

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    Go back to domestics.. learn from mistakes and further improve bowling fitness.
    I would advise him to go talk to Hasan Ali about mental aspect of things about making a comeback.
    Learn to seam the bowl, if not swing.
    He will be back then.

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    probably was not fit to play in NZ in first place. Didn't bowl at full speed on entire tour

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    There's nothing wrong with him, he is 100% fit.

    I guess just being rested after the shocking NZ effort.
    If youíre in contact with him please ask about the shortened runup. Hate to see him lose his effectiveness because of Waqarís modifications.

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    He should play some Pakistan Cup matches and regain his confidence in domestic cricket. Looks mentally and technically shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    He should play some Pakistan Cup matches and regain his confidence in domestic cricket. Looks mentally and technically shot.
    Most of the young bowlers start well( in particular PK bowlers) and decline, its whether they can come back that will determine their long term future. He cant complain about over bowling because in the last year he has bowled comparatively few overs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    He should play some Pakistan Cup matches and regain his confidence in domestic cricket. Looks mentally and technically shot.
    He has asked. He's waiting for the PCB to approve it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    He has asked. He's waiting for the PCB to approve it.
    Can you ask him on what technical alterations have been made to his bowling over the last year?
    It is obvious that there have been changes, but I would like to hear it directly from him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    He should play some Pakistan Cup matches and regain his confidence in domestic cricket. Looks mentally and technically shot.
    he might get slaughtered in that as well and then he will be completely decimated mentally

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    Who is Naseem's mentor? There should be one - a training partner - possibly a senior bowler.

    Fact is that Naseem was identified as an asset and you dont discard assets like that.


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    First step would be to hold Waqar to account. Waqar is the biggest conman out there, a guy who himself operated at 144-150 km/hr in his prime days and then tells youngsters pace is not everything and that i will prefer a 120 km/hr bowler who takes wickets vs a 140 km/hr who is not taking wickets. You cannot do that to a young pacer who has time, youth and the fitness to bowl quick, to change his action without any justified reason and making him pedestrian is ridiculous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    He should play some Pakistan Cup matches and regain his confidence in domestic cricket. Looks mentally and technically shot.
    personally i would take him to the high performance centre and work on his action run ect then go back to domestic hes proberly mentally drained after his performance in new zealand

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    He is mediocre. Just a spray gun.

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    The Naseem Shah that made his debut - thatís the bowler that has potential. Completely different bowler. Different run up, action, attitude, mindset, body language and pace.

    Maybe he was introduced too early, but that bowler had the raw ingredients to work with. I donít know what theyíve done to him. Seems like a different person now

    Someone needs to work with THAT bowler, get him performing in domestics and bring him back. Would be a real waste if that didnít happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    The experiment has failed.. No doubt about it but that is because Pakistan's team management made a wrong call by picking Naseem so early in his career.

    Its like India picking Kartik Tyagi for tests right now... I am damn sure he would get pummeled.
    But if we give him 2 years time in domestic and A tours and then pick him for tests then we can pass a judgement on him and that too won't be final coz i have seen Ishant Sharma's transition he literally changed from a harmless pie chucker to a world class bowler... So never say never.
    Even if naseem is 21 currently he still has a long time to make a comeback.
    Pakistanis dont like future planning. 2 years is a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSultan View Post
    The Naseem Shah that made his debut - thatís the bowler that has potential. Completely different bowler. Different run up, action, attitude, mindset, body language and pace.

    Maybe he was introduced too early, but that bowler had the raw ingredients to work with. I donít know what theyíve done to him. Seems like a different person now

    Someone needs to work with THAT bowler, get him performing in domestics and bring him back. Would be a real waste if that didnít happen
    Completely agree. And to answer your question about what they did with him - they shortened his runup and modified his action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    First step would be to hold Waqar to account. Waqar is the biggest conman out there, a guy who himself operated at 144-150 km/hr in his prime days and then tells youngsters pace is not everything and that i will prefer a 120 km/hr bowler who takes wickets vs a 140 km/hr who is not taking wickets. You cannot do that to a young pacer who has time, youth and the fitness to bowl quick, to change his action without any justified reason and making him pedestrian is ridiculous
    I keep hearing this, can you share a specific source that Waqar is solely responsible for his modified run-up etc? Thereís gotta be more to the story

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    Quote Originally Posted by freezerburn View Post
    I keep hearing this, can you share a specific source that Waqar is solely responsible for his modified run-up etc? Thereís gotta be more to the story
    Ok, so letís look at the facts.

    1. Naseem started his international career with a longer run up. He was bowling 142-147 for the vast majority of deliveries.

    2. Naseem now has a shortened run up. His speed now is 132-138 (and the 138 is not that regular), topping at around 140 for the very very odd delivery.

    3. Waqar has been the Pakistan bowling coach throughout this whole time.

    The possiblities are:

    (a) Waqar shortened his run up
    (b) Naseem decided all by himself to reduce his run up.
    (c) Some domestic coach told him to shorten his run up

    Regardless, it is clear it has reduced his pace and disturbed his rhythm, making him a much less effective bowler. Even if Waqar didnít reduce his run up. Why has Waqar allowed Naseem to play? International cricket is not the place to try out a new run up or action.

    So doesnít matter who did it, Waqar is either clueless to select him or clueless to change his run up. Take your pick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Completely agree. And to answer your question about what they did with him - they shortened his runup and modified his action.
    Yes exactly and not only that - he seems to have a completely different attitude and body language.

    Sometime I wonder whether some of our team management get bonuses to send our players backwards

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSultan View Post
    Ok, so letís look at the facts.

    1. Naseem started his international career with a longer run up. He was bowling 142-147 for the vast majority of deliveries.

    2. Naseem now has a shortened run up. His speed now is 132-138 (and the 138 is not that regular), topping at around 140 for the very very odd delivery.

    3. Waqar has been the Pakistan bowling coach throughout this whole time.

    The possiblities are:

    (a) Waqar shortened his run up
    (b) Naseem decided all by himself to reduce his run up.
    (c) Some domestic coach told him to shorten his run up

    Regardless, it is clear it has reduced his pace and disturbed his rhythm, making him a much less effective bowler. Even if Waqar didnít reduce his run up. Why has Waqar allowed Naseem to play? International cricket is not the place to try out a new run up or action.

    So doesnít matter who did it, Waqar is either clueless to select him or clueless to change his run up. Take your pick
    Totally agree, about allowing him to play so early, but I feel the blame goes to the whole system for this example

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSultan View Post
    Yes exactly and not only that - he seems to have a completely different attitude and body language.

    Sometime I wonder whether some of our team management get bonuses to send our players backwards
    Specifically (regarding attitude and approach) heís clearly been given instructions to focus on line and length and keep the bouncers back. Thatís all heís been bowling unless thereís a specific directive from the captain to bowl bouncers.

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    Considering the hype that he had, and the amount of chances he got against major sides, he is surely the worst fast bowler to ever play for Pakistan.

    Zero talent and a big mouth. A deadly combination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Considering the hype that he had, and the amount of chances he got against major sides, he is surely the worst fast bowler to ever play for Pakistan.

    Zero talent and a big mouth. A deadly combination.
    Not really, no one can beat Sami. It takes someone very special to play 40-50 test matches and average 52 with the ball

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Not really, no one can beat Sami. It takes someone very special to play 40-50 test matches and average 52 with the ball
    Sami was genuinely express and had a lot of skill. He had no bowling intelligence which is why he could not set the batsmen up. With a good bowling brain, Sami would have been a top bowler.

    Naseem on the other hand has no skill in addition to his lack of bowling intelligence. He simply has no ability.

    His hype was all fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Not really, no one can beat Sami. It takes someone very special to play 40-50 test matches and average 52 with the ball
    When Sami had made his debut, he was fast medium. And then he worked on his pace and became express. However, during the first couple of years, Sami did show promise. Dont know what went wrong with him. But I remember, as an Indian, we were in awe of him in the initial years.

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    Naseem needs to play more domestic cricket and also county cricket to help develop him as a bowler. I feel sorry for most of our current young bowlers in test side as they have no experienced bowlers to learn from while in the side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Sami was genuinely express and had a lot of skill. He had no bowling intelligence which is why he could not set the batsmen up. With a good bowling brain, Sami would have been a top bowler.

    Naseem on the other hand has no skill in addition to his lack of bowling intelligence. He simply has no ability.

    His hype was all fake.
    Naseem will not be averaging 52 with the ball

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Sami was genuinely express and had a lot of skill. He had no bowling intelligence which is why he could not set the batsmen up. With a good bowling brain, Sami would have been a top bowler.

    Naseem on the other hand has no skill in addition to his lack of bowling intelligence. He simply has no ability.

    His hype was all fake.
    What skill did Sami have that naseem doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarak View Post
    What skill did Sami have that naseem doesn't.
    Skill to have all the ingredients of a complete and great test class fast bowler yet somehow ends up averaging 50+ with the ball.

    I definitely don't want Naseem to have THAT skill ever.

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    If some Sami had told himself that no matter what the situation is and who the batsmen is, he is going to bowl 4 Outswingers in an over at goodish length just outside offstump and experiment while mixing up with the remaining two deliveries against every batsmen in the world , I am pretty sure his average would have been under 30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Naseem will not be averaging 52 with the ball
    If plays a few more series against quality lineups, he will average 52+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarak View Post
    What skill did Sami have that naseem doesn't.
    Sami was quicker, he could move the ball both ways, and he had a brilliant yorker. Naseem doesnít possess the same skill-set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Naseem will not be averaging 52 with the ball
    He's on the way there, 42.5 currently after playing in seam friendly Eng, NZ etc.

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    The most amazing thing is that this guy averages 42+ after playing in NZ and England which are places bowlers of his type usually end with their best figures

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    He's still very young. Hes probably gonna turn 21 this year. If he doesnt start producing results by 2024 ish , then yes I would say that he wont go anywhere as a bowler.

    Steyn at 21(2004) was just like him. He had pace but nothing else. 3 years later he had become a fantastic bowler.


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    While the hype is too much , I think he can be a good option if a county team signs him up, donít see Waqar helping him..

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    If Faheem Ashraf can turn it around with the bat, then it's hardly a stretch of the imagination that Naseem can turn it around with the ball. Everyone on PP and their moms, aunties and pen pals didn't have faith in Faheem before the NZ tour. Yes, for now Naseem should work on his overall consistency as a bowler and stay properly fit (bowling 140+ km/h consistently) by playing in domestics and hopefully make a successful comeback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Sami was quicker, he could move the ball both ways, and he had a brilliant yorker. Naseem doesnít possess the same skill-set.
    Sami was not quicker. They both are in the 138-144kph range with occasional spells that are quicker. Sami had an out swinger and sometimes when the seam is angled towards Slip the ball would cut in. This does not count as moving the ball both ways. Its just natural variation and naseem has it too.

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    Naseem actually showed good seam presentation during the tour. He just swung it from outside off. If he can get closer to the stumps and move it from the stumps he will be pretty good. Too many people judge players without critically watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    He's still very young. Hes probably gonna turn 21 this year. If he doesnt start producing results by 2024 ish , then yes I would say that he wont go anywhere as a bowler.

    Steyn at 21(2004) was just like him. He had pace but nothing else. 3 years later he had become a fantastic bowler.
    I donít think you understand. This is the worst comparison. Naseem does not have pace. Not anymore, after Waqar shortened his runup.

    This kid one year ago had the ability to swing the ball and extract bounce at pace. His average in England and especially in NZ is the result of some idiot telling him to shortening his runup and forcing him to bowl 135kph line and length which is not his natural bowling.

    If he fails and gets smacked when heís bowling naturally, so be it. Thatís where the comparison to Sami comes in. Will he improve or wonít he?

    But the way knives are coming out on this thread to dissect him and conveniently ignoring the changes, they make it seem like heís always been a nothing bowler. You have a somewhat measured opinion and youíre saying heís still young, but the rest of the people here are making some absolutely disgusting comments.

    He should not be anywhere near the national side the way heís bowling right now. But to take his performance in NZ as representative of how he is as a bowler or what his potential is, thatís not fair to him at all. And to call him Sami when he doesnít even have pace!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    The most amazing thing is that this guy averages 42+ after playing in NZ and England which are places bowlers of his type usually end with their best figures
    You guys are being too harsh. Newbie bowlers often do poorly in different conditions. Yes, I know what Indian bowlers are doing in Aus, but that's not the norm.

    I am not saying that he will do better by default in the future, but I won't take avg in the first tour literally. Based on what I have seen, he should be playing first-class cricket and learning to set up batsmen. Just running and bowling is not going to get wickets. It's not his fault that he is in playing XI. Selectors/captain should be criticized.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zarak View Post
    Sami was not quicker. They both are in the 138-144kph range with occasional spells that are quicker. Sami had an out swinger and sometimes when the seam is angled towards Slip the ball would cut in. This does not count as moving the ball both ways. Its just natural variation and naseem has it too.
    Sami was much quicker. Even at the end of his career he was bowling 140+KPH in the PSL.

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    I find it amusing why some posters are so triggered by the mention of Naseem Shah. If he is that useless, don't worry about him.

    As followers of the Pakistan team, we're discussing options - what's the problem? If we are wasting our time, then let us waste our time - we're not wasting yours (although quite amusing that you choose to waste your own, by repeating the same thing...yet again).

    Naseem at his fastest is still quicker than anything Aus or India currently have. This is a mediocre era of express bowling. Before we had Shoaib, Lee, Sami, Fidel Edwards bowling at 97mph+. Nowadays people are just thankful to hit 90. And even the ones that can hit 94/95 like Archer and Wood have no stamina to do it in test cricket. We get the odd spell in T20Is and that's it

    On the point of Sami, yes he had more potential than Naseem. Personally, he was great to watch at his best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    I don’t think you understand. This is the worst comparison. Naseem does not have pace. Not anymore, after Waqar shortened his runup.

    This kid one year ago had the ability to swing the ball and extract bounce at pace. His average in England and especially in NZ is the result of some idiot telling him to shortening his runup and forcing him to bowl 135kph line and length which is not his natural bowling.

    If he fails and gets smacked when he’s bowling naturally, so be it. That’s where the comparison to Sami comes in. Will he improve or won’t he?

    But the way knives are coming out on this thread to dissect him and conveniently ignoring the changes, they make it seem like he’s always been a nothing bowler. You have a somewhat measured opinion and you’re saying he’s still young, but the rest of the people here are making some absolutely disgusting comments.

    He should not be anywhere near the national side the way he’s bowling right now. But to take his performance in NZ as representative of how he is as a bowler or what his potential is, that’s not fair to him at all. And to call him Sami when he doesn’t even have pace!
    Naseem does have pace. He does does not have run up and an action that is repeatable enough for him to hit those speeds safely. Moreover, I don't think his body has matured yet to take the rigors of test match workloads yet.

    Just my opinion though. Because I'm no expert. There are plenty of examples though of bowlers who were introduced too early and had to be sidelined before being unleashed a few years later -Steyn, Starc, Cummins etc. .

    Naseem still has time to turn things around. The reason he gets a lot of heat is because plenty on here hyped him as the next ATG pacer at 16 , fastest pacer in Asia after 1 bowling innings etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    Naseem still has time to turn things around. The reason he gets a lot of heat is because plenty on here hyped him as the next ATG pacer at 16 , fastest pacer in Asia after 1 bowling innings etc.
    He hyped himself.

    "I want to see fear in the batsman's eyes."

    "I respect Kohli but don't fear him."

    Big words for somebody who is shaping up to be their VRV Singh.


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    I've asked him a few times before and asked today regarding changes to his action and run-up, but he has stated again that there have been no changes made at all.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    He hyped himself.

    "I want to see fear in the batsman's eyes."

    "I respect Kohli but don't fear him."

    Big words for somebody who is shaping up to be their VRV Singh.
    Yeah, he might have got a bit big headed after all that adulation and hes learnt some tough lessons about life as a test match bowler.

    But the good thing is he has time on his side. Too early to write him off even if we take into consideration his fake age. Very few bowlers have, historically, had a consistently impactful run in test cricket at his age.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zarak View Post
    Sami was not quicker. They both are in the 138-144kph range with occasional spells that are quicker. Sami had an out swinger and sometimes when the seam is angled towards Slip the ball would cut in. This does not count as moving the ball both ways. Its just natural variation and naseem has it too.
    What are you talking about? Sami was express

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    He hyped himself.

    "I want to see fear in the batsman's eyes."

    "I respect Kohli but don't fear him."

    Big words for somebody who is shaping up to be their VRV Singh.
    Bro these are questions put forward by journalists. Like our journalists say things like ďaksar humnay dekha hai pakistan india matches mai virat kohli jesay batsmen se humaray cricketers dar jatay hain tou aap kya kehna chahen gay is baray maiĒ

    What else should Naseem say? Tell me, please.

    Donít fall into a vicious cycle of picking up the lines that are repeated by certain posters on this forum. Do your own research and listen to the interviews yourself if you really find a statement that you canít believe.

    This is one of the quietest, most humble kids Iíve ever seen. Go see for yourself and for godís sake stop using the gloom and doom brigade as your source of info about Pakistani players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    I've asked him a few times before and asked today regarding changes to his action and run-up, but he has stated again that there have been no changes made at all.
    Ask Waqar please. It seems like Naseemís almost afraid, because the shortened runup is there for everyone to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderbolt14 View Post
    Ask Waqar please. It seems like Naseem’s almost afraid, because the shortened runup is there for everyone to see.
    Just did. His answer, No, not at all.



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    What's wrong in Kohli statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Naseem will not be averaging 52 with the ball
    I won't be sure about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    I've asked him a few times before and asked today regarding changes to his action and run-up, but he has stated again that there have been no changes made at all.
    There you go. Personally I don't think he did something amazing in his debut tour as well. He was mediocre then. He is mediocre now.

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    I like Naseem. Came across as a nice kid (scared and confused ofcourse) in that infamous press conference in NZ. He has a lot of talent for someone who is just 17. He can change his action entirely, learn new skills, build stamina and do so many things to become a better bowler. I hope he doesn't get depressed with his performance so far and instead channel his energy into become a physically and mentally stronger athlete and a skilful bowler that Pakistan could use. He needs a physical trainer, a bowling mentor and a psychologist to help him get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarak View Post
    Sami was not quicker. They both are in the 138-144kph range with occasional spells that are quicker. Sami had an out swinger and sometimes when the seam is angled towards Slip the ball would cut in. This does not count as moving the ball both ways. Its just natural variation and naseem has it too.
    Sami was far quicker. He was a genuine fast bowler and capable of clocking 96 mph+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    He hyped himself.

    "I want to see fear in the batsman's eyes."

    "I respect Kohli but don't fear him."

    Big words for somebody who is shaping up to be their VRV Singh.
    Seriously, this is the main reason everyone hates him. And it is frankly ridiculous that responding to questions in a positive way can be seen as being arrogant.

    What part of what he said bigs himself up or claims he's an amazing bowler?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    I've asked him a few times before and asked today regarding changes to his action and run-up, but he has stated again that there have been no changes made at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Just did. His answer, No, not at all.
    What do you think Saj has he made the changes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    What do you think Saj has he made the changes?
    Something doesn't look right to me.

    I'm not seeing the same bowler we saw at the start of his career. The pace isn't there, the swing isn't there, the zip isn't there.

    There are some technical issues no doubt.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Something doesn't look right to me.

    I'm not seeing the same bowler we saw at the start of his career. The pace isn't there, the swing isn't there, the zip isn't there.

    There are some technical issues no doubt.
    Hmm, so the bowling coach should not be held to account for these technical issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Something doesn't look right to me.

    I'm not seeing the same bowler we saw at the start of his career. The pace isn't there, the swing isn't there, the zip isn't there.

    There are some technical issues no doubt.
    I donít understand. Regardless of his perceived talent or lack thereof, wasnít his run up something everyone picked up on? Him and Waqar could make the case about the action (subtle changes which can be argued about) but didnít the commentators also pick up on his run up? Maybe I am mixing things here.

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    I remember Mohammed Wasim saying it in the press conference that Naseem is injured and isnít available for selection. So itís almost certain that he was carrying an injury on the tour and was either forced by the management to play or it perhaps was his own decision to play despite of the injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaaik View Post
    I remember Mohammed Wasim saying it in the press conference that Naseem is injured and isnít available for selection. So itís almost certain that he was carrying an injury on the tour and was either forced by the management to play or it perhaps was his own decision to play despite of the injury.
    Mohammad Wasim has used this ďinjuryĒ excuse for several dropped players. It seems to be his tactic of protecting the dropped players from criticism.

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    Give Bharat Arun, Nasim and he may end up as good as Boult/Stark. You cannot improve under an unskilled/unqualified coach like Waqar. Same way give Bumrah, Ishant, Siraj or Shami he will make them bowler like Pravakar or even worse.

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    Test cricket or 4 day cricket is hard grind. Might make a big comeback soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Mohammad Wasim has used this ďinjuryĒ excuse for several dropped players. It seems to be his tactic of protecting the dropped players from criticism.
    Several dropped players like ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaaik View Post
    Several dropped players like ??
    Only imaam and naseem he stated injuired cant remember him saying any other

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Only imaam and naseem he stated injuired cant remember him saying any other
    He clarified that Imam would not have been selected even if fit. Imam counts as a drop.

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