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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    The vibe I'm getting is that he will do whatever he needs to do to preserve his own career, and that would probably be to side with the club which employs him. He's not got much to gain by admitting to Rafeeq's version, would most likely damage his career.
    Moin Ashraf was probably more talented than Saqib Mahmood but basically quit the game a few years ago. He's not even 30.

    Yorkshire has a massive problem and it is perhaps best resembled in the likes of Boycott. The Yorkshire leagues are full of talented Pakistanis but look at some of the trash representing Yorkshire nowadays; 67 mph pace bowlers lol

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    When someone shouts racism, in an organization in UK or in Pakistan, it is incumbent on that organization to investigate it on the merits of racism and not on the merits of the individual.

    For example, if someone is a terrible employee, go ahead and sideline or fire him for his incompetence. But if the reasons for sidelining or firing him are rooted in racism, his incompetence should not come into question.

    Only minorities in any society know what they feel or go through - and good societies allow them to be heard. Hope his club does the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1903 View Post
    Moin Ashraf was probably more talented than Saqib Mahmood but basically quit the game a few years ago. He's not even 30.

    Yorkshire has a massive problem and it is perhaps best resembled in the likes of Boycott. The Yorkshire leagues are full of talented Pakistanis but look at some of the trash representing Yorkshire nowadays; 67 mph pace bowlers lol
    Did you watch the Yorks v Lancs game a few days ago? Did you see the left arm chinaman bowling at 45mph? Some young kid called wisnieki or something....are you telling me that they don’t have better emerging spinners than him in the Yorkshire leagues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1903 View Post
    Moin Ashraf was probably more talented than Saqib Mahmood but basically quit the game a few years ago. He's not even 30.

    Yorkshire has a massive problem and it is perhaps best resembled in the likes of Boycott. The Yorkshire leagues are full of talented Pakistanis but look at some of the trash representing Yorkshire nowadays; 67 mph pace bowlers lol
    He's playing club cricket and working as a car salesman these days.



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    When I spoke with Rana he said that Asian cricketers in Bradford League etc feel that they don't stand a chance to play for Yorkshire due to their ethnicity.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    He's playing club cricket and working as a car salesman these days.
    That's shameful, why did he retire?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1903 View Post
    That's shameful, why did he retire?.
    He was released by Yorkshire and no other County came in for him.



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    Whenever I think of the UK, it reminds me of racism.

    The white locals there felt I was there to live in their country permanently, the verbal attacks they launched were shocking and effected me permanently. In reality, I pumped money into their economy and got verbal abuse, sleepless nights, psychological torture and bad memories from their country.

    I didn't even know how to react as I never knew humans could be so disgusting and small-minded to others. I was well-protected in my childhood from such people. Perhaps, if I was born in the UK and racially abused at school as plenty of minorities over there are, I would know what was happening and why at that time.

    All I could hear on TV and in the newspapers there was that how immigration is awful and all immigrants want to stay in England forever and eat up their welfare system. At times it seemed they never had anything else to worry about in life.

    I actually visited England from a much better country which hosts around half a million Brits but the locals probably felt I like all immigrants (in their mind) was inferior to them and would want to stay in their ''superior'' nation which ruled the world. They are programmed to think that all other countries and its people are beneath them. Such people destroy lives but sadly, are rarely held to account for it.

    I hope Azeem gets justice, but given my own experience,I wouldn't hold my breath for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Browncaps View Post
    Whenever I think of the UK, it reminds me of racism.

    The white locals there felt I was there to live in their country permanently, the verbal attacks they launched were shocking and effected me permanently. In reality, I pumped money into their economy and got verbal abuse, sleepless nights, psychological torture and bad memories from their country.

    I didn't even know how to react as I never knew humans could be so disgusting and small-minded to others. I was well-protected in my childhood from such people. Perhaps, if I was born in the UK and racially abused at school as plenty of minorities over there are, I would know what was happening and why at that time.

    All I could hear on TV and in the newspapers there was that how immigration is awful and all immigrants want to stay in England forever and eat up their welfare system. At times it seemed they never had anything else to worry about in life.

    I actually visited England from a much better country which hosts around half a million Brits but the locals probably felt I like all immigrants (in their mind) was inferior to them and would want to stay in their ''superior'' nation which ruled the world. They are programmed to think that all other countries and its people are beneath them. Such people destroy lives but sadly, are rarely held to account for it.

    I hope Azeem gets justice, but given my own experience,I wouldn't hold my breath for it.
    I'm really sorry if you've experienced racism in your time here at the UK. My back ground is being born here with Asian heritage I have experienced forms of raced related descrimination but what I Would say is over all as a majority the British natives are very welcoming and decent people.

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    Really worrying stories coming out of Yorkshire CCC — clearly there are systemic racism issues at the club which desperately need to be addressed (and it seems now that they might be).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Browncaps View Post
    Whenever I think of the UK, it reminds me of racism.

    The white locals there felt I was there to live in their country permanently, the verbal attacks they launched were shocking and effected me permanently. In reality, I pumped money into their economy and got verbal abuse, sleepless nights, psychological torture and bad memories from their country.

    I didn't even know how to react as I never knew humans could be so disgusting and small-minded to others. I was well-protected in my childhood from such people. Perhaps, if I was born in the UK and racially abused at school as plenty of minorities over there are, I would know what was happening and why at that time.

    All I could hear on TV and in the newspapers there was that how immigration is awful and all immigrants want to stay in England forever and eat up their welfare system. At times it seemed they never had anything else to worry about in life.

    I actually visited England from a much better country which hosts around half a million Brits but the locals probably felt I like all immigrants (in their mind) was inferior to them and would want to stay in their ''superior'' nation which ruled the world. They are programmed to think that all other countries and its people are beneath them. Such people destroy lives but sadly, are rarely held to account for it.

    I hope Azeem gets justice, but given my own experience,I wouldn't hold my breath for it.
    I am so sorry to read this.

    Which is the much better country, out of interest?
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    I think anyone with Pakistani/Indian ethnicity born in the UK will have experience of racism. I had the unique experience of being the only child in primary and secondary with such ethnicity and it was the most difficult time growing up in secondary especially during 00's. Many kids that age lived in bubbles as is well known so might have avoided those issues. I'm not surprised to hear Yorkshire didn't have any Asian players as it was well-known anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    When I spoke with Rana he said that Asian cricketers in Bradford League etc feel that they don't stand a chance to play for Yorkshire due to their ethnicity.
    Appalling.

    And such a waste. The Yorkshire leagues would be a deep talent pool for England, instead of just public schoolboys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Appalling.

    And such a waste. The Yorkshire leagues would be a deep talent pool for England, instead of just public schoolboys.
    I went to watch Pudsey Kongs a few times, the team that Rana played for. They had some excellent Asian cricketers who looked like they were at least worth a trial at Yorkshire. They laughed and shook their head in disbelief when I said why aren't they trying to play for Yorkshire.

    One guy said to me he went for a trial at Yorkshire. He was an opening batsman and spinner. He said he batted at 9 and bowled 1 over in a trial match and never heard from them again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    I went to watch Pudsey Kongs a few times, the team that Rana played for. They had some excellent Asian cricketers who looked like they were at least worth a trial at Yorkshire. They laughed and shook their head in disbelief when I said why aren't they trying to play for Yorkshire.

    One guy said to me he went for a trial at Yorkshire. He was an opening batsman and spinner. He said he batted at 9 and bowled 1 over in a trial match and never heard from them again.
    Yourshire’s loss. Maybe another county’s gain. Any chance of trials at Lancs, Derby, Durham?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Yourshire’s loss. Maybe another county’s gain. Any chance of trials at Lancs, Derby, Durham?
    This was quite a few years ago.

    I've not seen the lad in County cricket, so I don't think he made it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by moh12 View Post
    I think anyone with Pakistani/Indian ethnicity born in the UK will have experience of racism. I had the unique experience of being the only child in primary and secondary with such ethnicity and it was the most difficult time growing up in secondary especially during 00's. Many kids that age lived in bubbles as is well known so might have avoided those issues. I'm not surprised to hear Yorkshire didn't have any Asian players as it was well-known anyway.
    I just want to add that there are always plenty of minorities who always rub it in by saying ''I never faced racism in my life despite being born there'' and ''but most of the native locals are great, kind, welcoming and decent'' as if that is a form of consolation to me and others whose lives these people destroyed. If that isn't enough, they add a ''if you faced racism'' as if the victims are sinister individuals who have all the time in the world to without reason accuse humans of a crime.

    Good for them if they live in a bubble but to belittle others experiences and the permanent damage it causes says a lot about their empathy for actual victims. Discrimination isn't even relevant,it's their country so I personally am not bothered if they discriminate in jobs and sports teams etc. but the real issue is when people are restricted from sleep in their paid for accommodation and hounded at all hours to the extent that they choose to abandon their entire purpose of visiting the country in the first place for the sake of their safety and mental well being. Yet, as per some, we should know there is an ''if'' attached to the ''victims'' experience. In reality, since they are so proud of their country, the natives might want to racially abuse them as they are the permanent citizens of the country who very often never leave, not me,I am abused as the natives group me with them.

    I never intended to stay for the long term or access public funds, I didn't even complete my actual objective whilst there. I hope after Brexit, white Brits can feel inner peace, know that their country is indeed their own and stop always hating immigrants on the Daily Mail and their other beloved platforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Browncaps View Post
    I just want to add that there are always plenty of minorities who always rub it in by saying ''I never faced racism in my life despite being born there'' and ''but most of the native locals are great, kind, welcoming and decent'' as if that is a form of consolation to me and others whose lives these people destroyed. If that isn't enough, they add a ''if you faced racism'' as if the victims are sinister individuals who have all the time in the world to without reason accuse humans of a crime.

    Good for them if they live in a bubble but to belittle others experiences and the permanent damage it causes says a lot about their empathy for actual victims. Discrimination isn't even relevant,it's their country so I personally am not bothered if they discriminate in jobs and sports teams etc. but the real issue is when people are restricted from sleep in their paid for accommodation and hounded at all hours to the extent that they choose to abandon their entire purpose of visiting the country in the first place for the sake of their safety and mental well being. Yet, as per some, we should know there is an ''if'' attached to the ''victims'' experience. In reality, since they are so proud of their country, the natives might want to racially abuse them as they are the permanent citizens of the country who very often never leave, not me,I am abused as the natives group me with them.

    I never intended to stay for the long term or access public funds, I didn't even complete my actual objective whilst there. I hope after Brexit, white Brits can feel inner peace, know that their country is indeed their own and stop always hating immigrants on the Daily Mail and their other beloved platforms.
    Sounds like you were an international student who due to a poor experience didn’t finish your degree course — sorry to hear about that — which Uni / city was it ?

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    Guys let's put thread back on track

    Question really is whether things are that bad for Asians aspiring to play at the top level in England


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    This is part of sport in the UK i am afraid, especially cricket. it is considered an elitist sport if you haven't got money or the contacts forget about it. Surprisingly it seems like racism is more rife up north were you find a higher congregation of asians , compared to say the south. When you hear of players talking about their times at surrey, sussex for example its only positive things. Same goes for football, i find it hard to believe there cant be one prominent asian player that can comfortably keep up in the premier league.


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    YORKSHIRE COUNTY CRICKET CLUB ANNOUNCES ADDITION OF TWO FURTHER INDEPENDENT MEMBERS TO THE INVESTIGATION PANEL

    Rehana Azib, barrister and employment law specialist and Helen Hyde, former Personnel Director at Waitrose, join the investigation panel set up earlier this month to review the findings of the Squire Patton Boggs investigation into the allegations of racism made by former player Azeem Rafiq.

    The investigation is now underway and will address directly the specific complaints made by Azeem Rafiq. In addition, and at the request of the Board, the investigation will also conduct a review of the club’s internal policies and culture with regards to discriminatory conduct.

    The investigation panel chaired by Dr. Samir Pathak, surgeon, former England Universities wicketkeeper/batsmen and trustee of the MCC Foundation, will oversee and assist the investigation team and provide recommendations on further steps the club should take.

    The Board of Yorkshire County Cricket Club has committed to sharing the findings of the investigation and the recommendations of the panel. The investigation has now begun and the Board have been clear that these matters are to be investigated thoroughly and with urgency. It is expected that the investigation will be completed within three months.

    Stephen Willis, Chief Financial Officer of Durham University and the senior independent director of Yorkshire County Cricket Club remains on the panel. Hanif Malik, non-executive director of Yorkshire County Cricket Club has stepped down.

    Commenting on the new appointments Dr. Samir Pathak said: “Rehana and Helen both have a broad background of considerable expertise and experience on which the panel can draw on during the course of the investigation.

    “We remain committed to conducting a fair and impartial process and both Rehana and Helen’s extensive knowledge of the legal implications of these types of grievance procedures will be of great benefit to our review of the findings of the investigation.

    “All organisations need to be diverse and inclusive, there is no space for inequality in sport or society and it is the responsibility of this committee to ensure that the investigation is conducted fairly and impartially.”

    Rehana Azib said: “This is an important and significant time for both Mr Rafiq and Yorkshire County Cricket Club.

    “It is essential that the allegations are investigated fully, objectively and rigorously. I look forward to working with the other members of the panel to ensure that the investigation is conducted comprehensively and fairly, and that any recommendations that may arise out of it are transparent, effective and properly implemented.

    Helen Hyde commented: “As a cricket fan of longstanding, the sport is close to my heart but so is the notion that it must be a sport of inclusion and fairness. I look forward to working with the other panel members to ensure that the findings of the investigation are dealt with quickly and decisively.”


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    Former Yorkshire spinner Azeem Rafiq is to appear in a documentary series commissioned by Cricket Australia about experiences of suffering racial abuse.

    Last month, Rafiq, 29, claimed that "institutional racism" at Yorkshire left him close to taking his own life.

    The county have opened an independent investigation into the allegations but the two parties are yet to meet for face-to-face discussions.

    Rafiq said the approach to take part in the series is "encouraging".

    He told BBC Sport: "It will be quite powerful. They could have had anyone on to talk about it but the fact they have invited someone who might be seen as controversial and anything could be said shows how seriously they are taking it."

    Rafiq was spoken to by former Australia women's international Mel Jones, who is now a director on the Cricket Australia board.

    Former Australia fast bowler and ex-Yorkshire coach Jason Gillespie is another who will be appearing in the six-part series, as reported in the Times.

    Rafiq added: "I will be talking about institutional racism, what we can do to make a change and how we need to keep the conversation going on it and keep the pressure on for change.

    "Mel had seen how big the story was in the UK and said people in Australia need to hear it as well to bring more awareness to the issues."

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/54594498


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    Gulfraz Riaz, the Chairman of the National Asian Cricket Council has voluntarily stepped down from the independent panel convened to investigate allegations made by former player, Azeem Rafiq. Mr Riaz will now assist the investigation as a witness. He remains committed to ensuring the process is open and transparent and is clear that this is the best way for him to serve the investigation at this moment.

    The National Asian Cricket Council (NACC) acts as a key advisory body to the England & Wales Cricket Board (ECB) and exists to support and promote the interests of the South Asian Cricketing Community at National and Regional levels, whilst developing positive relationships between key cricketing stakeholders and their immediate cricketing community. They will have a crucial role to play in improving the wider relationship between YCCC and their South Asian Cricketing Community once the investigation has concluded.

    Mesba Ahmed, vice-Chairman of the National Asian Cricket Council; and CEO and founder of the London Tigers, an award winning charity focussed on community development through sport, has now joined the investigation panel.

    A former member of the Football Association’s Race Equality Advisory Board, Mesba has considerable experience of addressing racism and improving diversity in sport. He founded the London Tigers as “just a football team” in 1986 with the aim of working with young people from diverse backgrounds who otherwise felt excluded from sporting opportunities. The charity now delivers projects across London and the UK, with over 3,000 regular members and over 70 staff members and volunteers and has worked closely with Sport England, professional football clubs, local councils and the F.A’s “Kick it Out” campaign.

    Mr Ahmed joins a five person strong panel which includes barrister and employment law specialist Rehana Azib, former Waitrose Personnel Director Helen Hyde, YCCC Senior Independent Director and CFO of Durham University Stephen Willis and panel Chairman, surgeon and MCC Committee member Dr. Samir Pathak.

    Commenting on his appointment to the panel, Mesba Ahmed said: “Sport has a crucial role to play in addressing issues of race, diversity and equality in our society. Investigations of this nature are never easy, but they are important if we are to successfully address inequality and provide sporting opportunities across BAME communities. Along with my fellow panel members, I am determined that we deliver a thorough and impartial finding and clear set of recommendations.”

    Dr Samir Pathak, Chairman of the investigation panel said: “I would like to thank Gulfraz for his assistance.

    “The investigation team have been in regular contact with Mr Rafiq’s legal counsel and understand that he will be in a position to provide a statement to the investigation by the 6 November.

    “The process of contacting potential witnesses and agreeing a timetable of interviews is in progress. Both the investigation team and the panel are aware that this is a difficult time for all parties and are determined that the investigation will be concluded before the end of the year.”


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